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Offline romerouk

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2010, 11:03:11 PM »
Hi!
This is not about captret... but if you can help me...
I try to replicate this Dr. Stiffler's experiment. -- see the diagram and table with his results.
I have electrolytic capacitor 100uF/100V and Avramenko plug with 4 diodes 1N4148.
My result after 40 hours is that a capacitor is charging but very slowly...

time:
0 hours -- cap: 0.343 V
6 hours -- cap: 0.388 V
16 hours -- cap: 0.436 V
40 hours -- cap: 0.522 V

Can anybody explain me why my capacitor is not charging same speed as Dr. Stiffler's capacitor?
Do I need more diodes in series? Why is more diodes better?
Thanks ;)

--michael
Make sure that no light goes to the diodes (cover them with something) then start measurements again.

All the best,
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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2010, 11:29:51 PM »
Hello michael,

I think it has to do with the ground-connection which is different in each house. The neutral-line is connected with the ground-line ( in german-speaking europe we call it mass-line ) behind the main fuse-box of your house. So this physical point must be very well connected otherwise an ac-component which is induced  by the hot-line in the neutral line builds up. This is so because the hot- and the neutral line run parallell very close together. This ac-component is called loop-current and should be as low as possible. If the connecting point is in bad shape it has a higher ac-resistance any induced ac-current in the neutral-line cannot flow down to the ground via the groundline. This loop current oscillates between neutral- and ground-line from the connecting-point upwards to your wall-socket and I think that this is the current which charges your cap via the Avramenko-Plug.
So there is nothing you can do about it as it seems that your connecting-point is in better shape than the one from Stiffler´s house.

How to measure the loop-current ? Take a digi-meter switch to AC-mode and measure between ground-plug and neutral-line-plug. What does it read ? Millivolts or even volts ?

Regards

Kator01


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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2010, 03:04:36 AM »
@RomeroUK: Thank you. There is no change with the diodes covered. (Does a diode work different under light? I don't know this... (???)

@Kator01: Thank you! Between the ground and neutral line is 72 mV. Is it low?

And I still don't understand what is a difference between the Avramenko plug with just two diodes and AV-plug with more than two diodes?! (Stiffler has 18 diodes as AV-plug in some diagrams. - Why?)
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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2010, 03:50:47 AM »
@ All

I just posted a circuit that needs 1.5 VDC to power it at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg263776#msg263776

I wonder if this circuit could be used in charging up a super or ultra capacitor in order to run the above mentioned circuit.

If anyone has access to a  super or ultra capacitor and is able to see if it can be charged by the captret circuit it could be a way forward to OU for us all.

Any and all feedback from everyone is welcome.

Regards,
Pal

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2010, 06:50:35 AM »
@RomeroUK: Thank you. There is no change with the diodes covered. (Does a diode work different under light? I don't know this... (???)

@Kator01: Thank you! Between the ground and neutral line is 72 mV. Is it low?

And I still don't understand what is a difference between the Avramenko plug with just two diodes and AV-plug with more than two diodes?! (Stiffler has 18 diodes as AV-plug in some diagrams. - Why?)
Regards
--michael
most semiconductors are light sensitive and photovoltaic.
if the diode cases leaks light it can act as a solar cell.
fritznien

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2010, 01:20:37 PM »
@RomeroUK: Thank you. There is no change with the diodes covered. (Does a diode work different under light? I don't know this... (???)

@Kator01: Thank you! Between the ground and neutral line is 72 mV. Is it low?

And I still don't understand what is a difference between the Avramenko plug with just two diodes and AV-plug with more than two diodes?! (Stiffler has 18 diodes as AV-plug in some diagrams. - Why?)
Regards
--michael

Hello Michael,

yes, 72 mV is low. Just measured my loop-current and it is in the same range. Since my house-owner is an electric-engieneer I knwo that he has made all wire-connections at this critical point himself.

in order to understand the Avramenko-plug please study the attached picture. It is a Delon-circuit I once build for stable dual +-powersupply. Each positive halfwave loads the upper capacitor-level, each negative halfwave the bottom-cap-level. In the low-frequency-range of 50 or 60 Hz this only can work if you have the reference-line which is the other terminal of the transformer and which functions as the neutral line for both cap-arrays c1, c3 and c2,c4.

Now if you go up with the frequncy - as in the sec stiffler circuits - to 5 or 10 MHz this rectifying-process also works without a fixed line ( galvanically coupled), because high frequnecies seek ground-level in all metallic surface-areas in the near enviroment. This is done in his circuit-board by a plate attached to the bottom of his epoxi-board and can also be embedded a thin cupper-layer. This plate or layer is then galvanically coupled to the negative terminal of the power-Supply. But it works also without it.

Each additional diode in series increases the possible voltage-level the array can take while in the blocking-phase and second : the total capacity of the diode-array is lowered to 0,1 picoFarad ( it is a guess-value, have to measure the 1n4148 and calculate the total series-capacitance) thus beeing a blocking-filter for the lower-frequency-parts of his output-signal and let the higher frequencies pass easier. So any sharp nano-second-spike can pass easier into any target. His sec-exciter is a spike-generator with a lot of harmonics involved up to the 20 th harmonic of his basis-frequency. So be careful that you do not get into trouble with the administration ( wherever you live ) responsible for telecommunication-frequencies.
This is a fact, not communicated to people who buy his sec-exiters.

Regards

Kator01

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2010, 01:56:01 PM »
@majkl
Most of the diodes glass encapsulated will act as solar cell. Connect 2 or more diodes in series and measure voltage while exposed to the light. More diodes, more voltage...

Have a nice day,
RomeroUK

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2010, 02:37:17 PM »
Hi Ib,

I built your circuit but had a hard time getting it to charge without going below the original potential of the battery. I tried different diodes(silicon, germanium, schottky) with low +vf but it seemed the lower the +vf the faster it would discharge the battery. I replaced the LED with another cap and that is when I started to get a charging effect that didn't lower the potential of the battery.

Measured last night the battery(9v Alkaline) base reading was 8.692v this morning the measurement was 8.790v.

9volt battery
CT1(captret) = 100uf, 25v + lead has no connection.
C1 = 100uf, 16v

Wired this way

9v- === o(CT1)- === -(C1)+ === 9v+

I'm going to do this test again with another 9v to confirm.

Edit:switched Captret around o(CT1)-

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2010, 03:47:36 PM »
I know i haven't answer many of the questions on this form and other things and thats because the energetic form is more alive with people doing the captret experiment then here. So if you want the latest info please check out the energetic form here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6684-captret-perpetual-light-dead-batteries-7.html#post116308

The regular captret design will have a voltage drop below the normal standing voltage but what makes the captret unique is that it doesn't keep dropping like in a normal circuit load, the voltage will go up. This should not happen especially when you have a capacitor in series, the captret doesn't play by the rules that we know.

I'll post the last diagram of the latest design i have of the captret just to keep things going here.


The diagram below is very differnt and more advance then the others.
with this new design my standing voltage on the batteries was 17.17
when i put the captret load on it it still stayed at 17.17
and this morning when i woke up it was at 17.19 volts
very strange

enjoy

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2010, 08:49:09 PM »
@All,

I hooked a 1500F, 2.7v ultra cap to the circuit below. I originally charged the cap with solar so the base reading was 2.245v. A hour later it is 2.246v. I will leave this running over night and see what the reading is tomorrow.

I tried a smaller cap and charged it to see if I could keep it going but it drained to quick. You need large caps that will discharge slower than the charge rate.

I noticed one thing on the scope that is odd the DC component has a slight AC component riding on it through the Captret. I'm wondering if this slight AC component is just enough to push it slightly over the source voltage and we are just catching it with the cap. So if your source voltage is 9v and a small AC wave is pushing it over say .001 we have 9.001v charge from our 9v input. As the voltage increases we are still catching this slight imbalance. So if our charge goes to 9.001 + next wave = 9.002v. It's something that needs to be looked at further.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2010, 10:02:55 PM »
I have a captret just like ibpointless2 circuit above that has been running for 3 days now. New 9 volt battery when started, now v=10.8  :o

my caps are 200v 680uf 2 in series running 9 LED from small flashlight.

There is more  fun with 12v lead acid battery. I have an instructable over at energeticforum to building a very large electrolytic capacitor.

Grab some caps and replicate. Old PS from computers have tons of them, I just got 10 atx power supply free from the local recycling, even picked up one on the side curb.

Happy tinkering.  :)

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2010, 04:02:18 AM »
I have a captret just like ibpointless2 circuit above that has been running for 3 days now. New 9 volt battery when started, now v=10.8  :o

my caps are 200v 680uf 2 in series running 9 LED from small flashlight.

There is more  fun with 12v lead acid battery. I have an instructable over at energeticforum to building a very large electrolytic capacitor.

Grab some caps and replicate. Old PS from computers have tons of them, I just got 10 atx power supply free from the local recycling, even picked up one on the side curb.

Happy tinkering.  :)

could i get a compete exact diagram of your setup? you can post it at energetic forum if you like.

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« Reply #87 on: November 13, 2010, 08:36:39 AM »
could i get a compete exact diagram of your setup? you can post it at energetic forum if you like.
this is what I first saw on lidmotors video, I just took off the exciter.

the negative from the battery is attached to the 2 caps in the center, and fastened with a rubberband to ensure firm contact to the capacitor container which is bare.

My LEDs are from a small flashlight, total 9 LEDs which is not bright.

I've found that higher volt, higher capacity = higher light production, decrease load=higher charging,

fastest charging achieved with 1 led,  250v, 2200 uf cap

this is pure speculations as these results were observed in crude experiment using a small analog volt meter. All of my digital meters were fried in an earlier experiment with a Tesla high frequency generator.

I will conduct a controlled experiment tomorrow after I get some new meters.

Cheers  :)
« Last Edit: November 13, 2010, 10:47:12 AM by hidave »

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« Reply #88 on: November 13, 2010, 12:44:11 PM »
I have been watching my little 9v captret lighting non stop for 3 straight days. As usual, I want to get down to the TRUTH. So I let the LED drain the battery for a whole day.

Finally, It was @5.6V. Dead as Dead.

I pulled off the 9 led and 400v captret and  swap for 250v 2200 uf electrolytic capacitor with fast switching diode, Volt sarted rising. hmmm, It's not LED Photon or what ever mambo jambo that everyone loves to hallucinate. Then I pulled off the diode and attach the negative from capacitor directly to the battery negative attached to the capacitor housing. Ahhh ..there lays the  Magic. Volts across the capacitor jumped from 2.54v to 5.8v and Volt goes up fast.

There you have it, Nothing special here. It is FREE ENERGY via electrochemical induced currents, self charging the source. Nice and simple.

Look at the picture, the Cap is at least 4x the size of the battery. Now build some large electrolytic capacitor as I had instructed and charge your Lead Acid for free, and quickly. I am charging mine as I write this.

Nature is simple, Lets  forget the moronic mambo jumbo such as scalar, photon or what ever that's loaded in your head. Get back to basic, Nature is Simple, let's keep it that way.

I now wonder why I never did learn about Elecrochemical Induction.

Volt climbed to 6.9 within 1 hour. I added another 250v 2200 uf in series, now it's singing. Fast cheap charging.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #89 on: November 13, 2010, 01:00:08 PM »
Hi Dave,

Can we please have a link to this instructable ? Or at least a thread title ?

or maybe a diagram here.

I like the idea of being able to charge a battery using only a cap and diode.

Regards, Penno

 

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