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IotaYodi · « **Reply #495 on:** October 02, 2010, 02:15:24 AM »

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I wound a new large coil with 0.56mm

Thats about awg 23. You have around 20 ohms of resistance at 1000ft. An awg of #16 is about 4 ohms and #14 is close to 2.5 ohms. The Ampacity of awg 23 is less than one amp. Larger wire is a must if you plan on having any kind of amps. Apparently the amount of milliamps you have is not enough to produce a strong enough electromagnet field in the core or wire.

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I don't think that there's any remanence in Laser's number

As long as there is an alternating opposing field there wont be much even with higher carbon steel wire. What you lose with high carbon steel wire though is the intensity of the field collapse.

shylo · « **Reply #496 on:** October 02, 2010, 02:35:00 AM »

Hi Lasersaber...... let me first say I find your exp. facinating ...I tried your exp. and found the magnetic effect to be very weak....perhaps its because I'm using sub level materials (no cotton covered wire).......the best magnetic effect I could get was from about 4" away ....I thought if I could increase the v/a,... the magnetic effect would increase.........also the iron, or steel core ,affects the movement of the compass....I use a mag suspendid from a fine thread.....but a ceramic mag will cause deflection from as far as 16" away...there's something here , definately...Magnetic Drive is where the answer lies.........I'll keep looking ...as I hope everybody else will...........thanxs for your work....shylo

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #497 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:05:30 AM »

Hi Shylo. Still having HUGE difficulties here.

Quote from: shylo on October 02, 2010, 01:43:39 AM

Hi Rose....and to all I was a bit premature earlier ....I just made .5v .5ma with 20 inches of galv wire ,20 inches of stranded uninsulated wire,....no coils, just straight wires twisted around each other with cotton seperating them....wetted with salt water.....wire was ~20guage

Still with you at this point. Here's how I understand it. You've got one length of 20 inches of galvanised iron wire. Then you've got another length of 20 inches of stranded uninsulated copper? wire.

Quote from: shylo on October 02, 2010, 01:43:39 AM

I made 10 of these 2" long each

Shylow? What did you make 2" long? Do you mean 20 inches?

Quote from: shylo on October 02, 2010, 01:43:39 AM

5 in series,5 in parallel

Is this 5 of only copper in series or 5 of copper and 5 of iron mix in series and in parallel. And if you have those open junctions at the end of each wire then when you put them in parallel they're also in series. Surely? Effectively they're both in series AND in parallel? Am I missing something? Or do you join the copper to the copper and the iron to the iron? Then join those junctions copper to copper and iron to iron to parallel them? Or do you join iron to copper?

Quote from: shylo on October 02, 2010, 01:43:39 AM

tried with thicker wire #'s were way low....tried with enameled wire #'s were higher than thick,but still low,.....laser .56mm ,what guage is this?....1 set of 2" length of galv&bare stranded gives .75v & 8000micro amps ....the amps seem to add but the volts only add in series alone....tried multiple arrangements.seems galv core ,layer of cotton,layer of copper ,but only single wire of galv as core............ sorry I'm not very good at descibing things ...shylo

More of the same. 2 inches? Did you mean this? Or do you mean 20 inches? And you're only using a single wire of galvanised wire for the core? Effectively you're wrapping everything around wires? Not sure of their length.

Shylo - when I see the range of your tests I get it that you're looking to answer a whole lot of questions. And I'm absolutely with you. They're really good questions. But the problem is that I'm not following your solutions and I really would LOVE to. Please see if you can, perhaps, just draw what you mean - if it's a bore to write it. Sorry to impose on you like this. I'm entirely satisfied that I'm the only one who doesn't understand you and that's simply because I'm stupid. But I keep wrestling here and am dying to get into your tests better. The more so as I am very aware of your experimental talents.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #498 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:14:53 AM »

Quote from: lasersaber on October 02, 2010, 02:12:35 AM

In my experience distilled water works just fine.

How interesting is THAT? !!!

Laser, if this works with distilled water then IT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT A BATTERY. That's HUGE. Does it perhaps not work as well? Don tried it and found negligible results. But I see your point. The voltage measures have little to do with the magnetic properties of the coil. And this is what 'turns' the rotor? Of course.

Good news indeed. Now I'm 'refired' - if that's a word. LOL.

DELIGHTED to see that your rig is still rumbling on. I'm looking forward to finding out how long it needs to run before it's considered anomalous. I never realised you had it on permanent display. Can you give us a link when you get it up again?

GREAT STUFF.
Rosemary

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #499 on:** October 02, 2010, 01:45:23 PM »

Lasersaber:

Glad to see you posting. Very intriguing tip about the alcohol. When you get a chance, can you elaborate on your findings using this? I am very interested.

Bill

dllabarre · « **Reply #500 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:31:11 PM »

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on October 02, 2010, 07:14:53 AM

How interesting is THAT? !!! Laser, if this works with distilled water then IT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT A BATTERY. That's HUGE. Does it perhaps not work as well? Don tried it and found negligible results. But I see your point. The voltage measures have little to do with the magnetic properties of the coil. And this is what 'turns' the rotor? Of course.

GREAT STUFF.
Rosemary

The magnetic response I got with distilled water was very little. The coil could just move the compass a little whereas my 2nd coil moved the compass a lot and from 3 inches away.

DonL

dllabarre · « **Reply #501 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:32:47 PM »

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #502 on:** October 02, 2010, 06:34:33 PM »

Quote from: dllabarre on October 02, 2010, 03:31:11 PM

The magnetic response I got with distilled water was very little. The coil could just move the compass a little whereas my 2nd coil moved the compass a lot and from 3 inches away.

DonL

Don - I get it that the response is much stronger with tap water and, as Laser has pointed out - with other mixes. But if there's even 'some' response - enough to keep even a slow rotor turning - then we've got some argument against the coil being a battery. The significance of this is only in as much as the power can then be analysed more unequivocally. If salts are playing a significant part in this rig then I'm not sure that we can even establish a reasonable efficiency - let alone OU.

Here's what I think - for what it's worth. I don't believe it's a typical battery because the addition of water - with or without salts - is cheap and really doable. It means that if we can get the voltage up to something more usable then we've got something that is cleaner and greener than your typical batteries. Always a good thing. If it's a pure galvanic effect wihout the 'salt bridge' number that wiki seems to require - then laser and you and all are forging new science. And the significance then is considerable. But whichever way this falls - to me it's entirely compelling.

I've long argued against electrons being the source of electric current and I realise when I say this that the most of you posting here - subscribe to electron current flow. I'll append my argument against this but would warn you that it's likely to be heavily contended. But what I do subscribe to is that 'dark energy' comprises matter that is invisible only because it is too fast and too small to be detected. And I suspect that magnetic fields actually are the 'hidden form' of this material. I also think that isolated fields of one dimensional magnetic strings hold atoms together in bound three dimensional amalgams. And I wonder if these are the 'things' that move as current - are transferred through space and are measured as energy. If these fields are also the things that 'flow' as current flow - then - provided only that the material is conductive or inductive, theoretically it would be able to induce a current through electromagnetic inductive laws. In effect the potential difference to supply that electric energy - is also in the material of the wire itself. For what ever reason, mainstream science has ignored the mass of the resistors and wires as being a potential energy source and have simply considered them to be 'storage' devices of the electric current delivered by a supply. I also see these and other tests rather disputing that assumption.

Of special interest is that Laser, Shylo, and others all seem to see 'thicker' wire being 'better' - which seems to correspond to the thought that the greater the mass - then the more of that 'something' is then available - regardless. In other words - it does seem to relate to the amount of material in the coil itself.

Regards,
Rosemary
http://www.scribd.com/doc/38315399/MORE-INCONVENIENT-TRUTHS

shylo · « **Reply #503 on:** October 03, 2010, 11:56:08 AM »

to Rose ...20" piece cut into 2" lengths .....wrapped 2" galv in layer of cotton,wrapped copper around this ,wrapped layer of cotton on copper.....wetted with salt water ...only two leads the other ends were buried in the cotton......just trying to find the best combination so I can build a better NS coil....the ones I've built so far ...don't give any better results than these simple 2" strings.....the best I've acheived so far is .6v 2.5ma ....4"straight aluminum wire ~12awg, wrapped in cotton(one end left exposed)...soild 14awg copper 8" coiled around = the 4" 1/4 gap between winds....then another same piece of copper wrapped beside 1st,in the 1/4"gap,then wrapped in cotton and wetted....still lots of exp yet......shylo

shylo · « **Reply #504 on:** October 03, 2010, 12:21:51 PM »

also ...when I hook in series copper is always +,....galv or aluminim -, pos to neg is series,....pos to pos ,neg to neg is parallel....It seems as you go series you loose a little voltage with each additional string eg: .5v +.5v+.5v should be 1.5v.....but is 1.15-1.19v.......and the same goes for parallel(amps)......series for volts........parallel for amps...I don't understand this drop in readings??.......do you need both volts & amps to produce an electro-magnet , or is it one or the other?............shylo

Thaelin · « **Reply #505 on:** October 03, 2010, 02:09:17 PM »

shylo:
Take a look a your connect points. It does not take hardly any resistance to drop the final value down. I think if you do the math backwards to find the ohms value, it will be fairly close. No connection is perfect. With the small value of E and I, it fits.

thay

IotaYodi · « **Reply #506 on:** October 03, 2010, 03:05:11 PM »

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I don't understand this drop in readings??.......do you need both volts & amps to produce an electro-magnet , or is it one or the other?

Anything with resistance that is put into a circuit will have a voltage drop. Current is being pushed by voltage. The current carrying wire must be wound in a tight helix around the core in order to produce an electromagnetic field. The higher the amps the greater the electromagnetic force. Take a used car battery even with a dead cell,Charged up of course, and wind #12 or #10 wire on a 1/2 or 3/4 steel core. You will see the greater effect of current. The 12 volt car battery has hundreds of amps. Use good sense and caution when doing this.

IotaYodi · « **Reply #507 on:** October 04, 2010, 06:12:34 PM »

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I must say that there ARE other things than "Standard" current that can produce an "Electromagnetic" field.

From my little knowledge of physics even more so. From the human body to grass blowing in the wind. With 84 Terrawatts of solar energy a day and the worlds consumption around 12 Terrawatts a day,we need to devise ways to use it. Even the 100 volt per 2 vertical meters of the electrostatic field havent been utilized yet. Between the Aether,atmosphere and the Earth, Im surprised nothings been done yet on a large scale. So much power at our fingertips and we cant use it?

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I guess I shouldn't have said anything, as I really am offering no useful ideas

All it takes is a few words to turn the light on for someone. Egos and high school ramblings are subject though! lol

dllabarre · « **Reply #508 on:** October 04, 2010, 11:05:34 PM »

Rosemary Ainslie wrote:

"Don - I get it that the response is much stronger with tap water and, as Laser has pointed out - with other mixes. But if there's even 'some' response - enough to keep even a slow rotor turning - then we've got some argument against the coil being a battery. "

My tap water is filtered a lot.
Next time I'll try "dirtier" water taken before my filters.

DonL

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #509 on:** October 05, 2010, 05:14:00 AM »

Guys, I've mentioned this before. I'm not sure how our meters determine the resistance of anything but have been advised that the meter itself applies a small current and it then measures the rate of flow. This effectively means that the the higher the resistance the more 'blocked' is the current flow which then becomes the Ohmage 'measure' of that resistance.

Well. I have some cylindrical magnets - ferrite - very small - I'll try and get a photo up here at some stage but I've left those magnets on campus. In any event, the point is this. I can join those magnets in a string that it's roughly equivalent to an 8 guage wire. And regardless of the 'length' it seems that I can simply NOT measure any resistance at all. In effect a permanent magnet enables the flow of current - and in a cylindrical bar magnet which is the actual construct of that string - then it enables the current flow in either direction. I see this - in the mind's eye - as the applied current running either through or around the flux of those magnets depending on the polarities presented when taking that measurement.

What it seems to show is this. Current flow is not materially 'restricted' in this flow by another magnetic field imposed in that path, so to speak and continues it's path through or around that magnet at an angle of 180 degrees. One magnetic field interacts with another field at an angle of 180 degrees. Could this perhaps be some kind of evidence that current itself simply comprises magnetic fields? If so then here's the proposal.

Resistance would then be a measure of those magnetic fields - inside the material being measured - that is not aligned at an angle of 180 degrees to the applied current flow. Wherever it is that these magnetic fields are situated - whether atomic or extraneous to those atoms - they are then able to 'resist' the 180 degrees interaction from a 'magnetic field' or 'flux field. In other words resistance or Ohmage would actually then be a measure of the magnetic potential of the material itself?

So. When we use two different metals with two different resistances, then there would be a difference in their magnetic conditions and somehow the galvanic effect is exploiting this difference? Maybe? That's certainly the only explanation that I can find that logically explains this. But it's just a thought.

Regards,
Rosemary

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