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Author Topic: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin  (Read 251464 times)

ramset

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #480 on: May 03, 2010, 07:15:12 AM »
HHMMmm...........

Poor Teetsla,
Its not his fault ,he got what he asked for [and he asked a lot]

Now the secret will drive him "nutso"!

He's sort of like cap't Kirk in a star track episode!

Like his namesake Tesla he will probably be seeing "aliens" soon!

Teets some things change your life forever!
Ready or not!

"Ask and you shall receive"
Careful what you ask for,you could go "nutso" like Tesla!

Teets ,when ever you are ready to "share".
chetkremens@gmail.com

You know I won't keep it a secret [I don't want to go "nutty"[well nuttier]].

                              "The truth will set you free Teets"


Chet
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #481 on: May 03, 2010, 08:38:57 AM »
Ok, a descent vid using the pulse motor coils as a load. She is running ok. I will do measurements tomorrow and do a vid on it before I fiddle more. I kept the rotor mags in just 8 positions all N out, but my vid after next will have all 16 mags alternating N and S and a polarizing mag on the reed, and you will see the difference using the same circuit. As I described to Watts above, it is just better and its the same amount of pulses as just the 8 mags.
The vid is not on YT yet, I think they are having problems. It says unable to load vid due to unknown problem. I tries another vid also and it said the same thing, so it must be them. They usually get these things fixed pretty quick.
See ya in a bit.

Mags  =]
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #482 on: May 03, 2010, 09:01:24 AM »
If you would, can someone try to upload a vid to yt?  I just would like to know if its me or them that has the problem. I tried 4 different vids and it wont go.  Thanks

Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #483 on: May 03, 2010, 09:32:24 AM »
YT still isnt able to upload. I will do it in the morning, hopefully it will work

Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #484 on: May 03, 2010, 05:39:29 PM »
Still cant upload the vid. I tried other vids also just to see, but they wont load.


Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #485 on: May 03, 2010, 06:08:33 PM »
Ok  read through some YT problem suggestions and found another way to load the vids and it worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLziSmk8JU

I dont like the changes YT made. I wish it was the same as before.

Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #486 on: May 03, 2010, 06:48:00 PM »
Here is another vid with some variations. I found that there is an interaction with the large inductor and the rotor to get it to go faster and added another cap in parallel.
This is getting interesting.  =]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9XiCMdRSjk

Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #487 on: May 03, 2010, 08:37:08 PM »
Just some thoughts on the 2 vids above
It seems that my findings of the motor finding an rpm that is of a frequency that conforms with the inductor/cap charging freq is correct. I have to make timing adjustments of the reed as the speed levels off to get it to go faster. I have had to make these adjustments on pulse motors before, but these are adjustments of more measure, as the phasing between the motor and the inductor/cap goes through phases as the rpms rise.

In the second vid, I am pleased with the speed increase. And the interaction with the large inductor(I just call it that from the patent) and the rotor was something that I came up with after applying a magnet to the inductor core and seeing results. My setup needs to be tightened up and more flexible and I want to have more separation between the inductor and the reed as there might be some interaction.
The inductor, even in the closed loop transformer ferrite core, really affects magnets around it, they pulse, but it does not hardly have any affect on iron. So this suggests that the core of the inductor is not emanating the pulse, it is just modifying the magnets field due to the change in the cores saturation condition from the inductor coil powering on and off. The Orbo effect.
So I thought lets see what the inductor would do next to the rotor, and I saw that it was good. =]

More capacity. In the pat. the cap looks large, as compared to other of his drawings. So more is better so far. Havnt tried more than the 44uf yet.

One more thing that I have seen that I will vid is that I can get the motor setup so that it will run in either direction, not with large inductor next to the rotor, without making any timing changes. Just spin it the other way and it goes. Never had that in any of my pulse motors. In one direction its just a bit faster than the other, but very close. And very interesting.

Gota git. Ill be putting more vids later. There seems to be a lot going on with this that will keep me busy for a while. Im just glad to be able to have the time to mess around again. The move was very stressful.

Mags
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Tito L. Oracion

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #488 on: May 04, 2010, 04:37:14 AM »
Hi everyone good day

And to mags i'm so sorry but i felt i was first hurt thats why i said that. i'm a peaceful man, the gun is just a toy  ;D

i will just leave it all to God ok.

i'm sorry if i did not do my promise just because of some reason.

i hope in my simple way of giving a little clue hope it helps even just a little.

mags i'm happy for you where ever you are i'm on your side always friend, i don't want spontaneous cruel ok.

by the way don't anymore block me cause i will be the one to stop ok friend?  ;)

maybe i deserve those nutty words from someone but remember, i was first hurt ok.

To everyone i'm sorry please understand me if i cannot give you the best secret i am holding. i am reserving that for my 2 sons ok.

i am happy for all of your success, someday somehow it helps to the world.

Always smile take rest and God bless
happy experimenting

bye friends. This is my final last, but don't worry i'll just be a guest always.  ;D
otits  ;D
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #489 on: May 04, 2010, 05:03:05 AM »
No worries Teets. Im sorry too.  ;)

Mags
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ramset

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #490 on: May 04, 2010, 01:57:09 PM »
Teets
 :-*

But what was the first one [the little one]?

Did I miss it?

Chet

Besides ,
Look at the mess oil is making in southern U.S.,
Even if you don.t share your secrets!
get off your ass and get busy bud!
These guys are killing our planet ,a gallon at a time!
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ramset

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #491 on: May 04, 2010, 02:54:48 PM »
Teets
Share your "little" OU secret with the fella's,
and we'll keep busy until you and your Boys get the biggy goin!!

That would be nice!!

Chet
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #492 on: May 04, 2010, 07:30:46 PM »
I did some playing last night but no vids till later today. I was trying to figure out how the rotor was able to go in both directions without timing changes.  It must be that the reed is just firing very short pulses just as the rotor mags are passing center of the coils. I had not seen this before and maybe it has always been that way. Later I will set it up just in pulse motor config and see if the results are the same.

I also tried a 1uf cap and the reed sparking was less but the inductor was producing a lot of pulsing noise. The ferrite transformer core is not glued together. I just used black tape tightly to hold it together, but the seams are apparently clacking so I need a tighter wrap.

Another thing that comes to light is the fact that when charging the inductor, there is current flowing through the motor coils and the inductor is like a 22 ohm resistor in series, so there is motive reaction there also along with cap discharge. So that tells me that for comparison purposes, that I can run the regular pulse motor with a 22 ohm in series to get a some what close comparison to what is happening, and if the cap discharge is a help here or not.

The motor coils are not a short conductor coil as prescribed by Tesla, but things are apparently working. After this project I will put a transformer together to see what the "quiver" Tesla spoke of that happens during the cap discharge on the short, stout, conductor has in store for us.

Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #493 on: May 04, 2010, 10:13:00 PM »
[See Nikola Tesla: Colorado Springs Notes, page 324, Photograph III.]

FIG. 6. PHOTOGRAPHIC VIEW OF THE ESSENTIAL PARTS OF THE ELECTRICAL OSCILLATOR USED IN THE EXPERIMENTS DESCRIBED

I had arrived at the limit of rates obtainable in other ways when the happy idea presented itself to me to resort to the condenser.  I arranged such an instrument so as to be charged and discharged alternately in rapid succession through a coil with a few turns of stout wire, forming the primary of a transformer or induction-coil.  Each time the condenser was discharged the current would quiver in the primary wire and induce corresponding oscillations in the secondary.  Thus a transformer or induction-coil on new principles was evolved, which I have called "the electrical oscillator," partaking of those unique qualities which characterize the condenser, and enabling results to be attained impossible by other means.  Electrical effects of any desired character and of intensities undreamed of before are now easily producible by perfected apparatus of this kind, to which frequent reference has been made, and the essential parts of which are shown in Fig. 6. For certain purposes a strong inductive effect is required; for others the greatest possible suddenness; for others again, an exceptionally high rate of vibration or extreme pressure; while for certain other objects immense electrical movements are necessary.  The photographs in Figs. 7, 8, 9, and 10, of experiments performed with such an oscillator, may serve to illustrate some of these features and convey an idea of the magnitude of the effects actually produced.  The completeness of the titles of the figures referred to makes a further description of them unnecessary.
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Magluvin

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Re: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin
« Reply #494 on: May 05, 2010, 03:36:51 AM »
The Tesla quote above, I had found while looking at some things Delboy had posted on the Magnifying Transmitter thread the other day, but this was on the previous pages to what he had posted.
But I thought about it today. Is there an advantage to having a primary coil of a few turns of stout wire? Could it be that the oscillations in the primary and the cap are not killed off as easily as a hundred or more turns of another primary that are commonly used? Why else would Tesla do it this way?

For all this time, I know we can get caps and coils to resonate and ring with a single pulse, but I also know that a secondary with a load will kill it. Kill it as in if we were to kick a cap/coil resonator, the oscillations would die faster, even just about instantly, with a secondary coil with a load on it if it were near the primary. But, what if the few turns of stout primary, which of course no doubt be of some high freq, just might not loose its waves of oscillation as quickly as a high resistance primary, as to say that maybe the resistance would be a main cause in the nature of the thing.
So if we can get more than 1 oscillations to affect a secondary, and even other secondaries along with it, for every kick, maybe we get a bunch of oscillations into the secondary before they die off in the primary than a typical primary.
Each one of those slowly dying oscillations adding up with the next to become equal to and greater than the initial kick, if what my mind is telling me is of any value, other than another way to look at it....

Maybe the stout primary is of so little resistance and the caps instantaneous discharge into that resistance, the amount of wattage at that moment would be staggering.  But would that wattage in the amount of time that it existed, be more than the wattage and the amount of time to charge the cap for discharge?

Mags ;)

I come up with thing sometimes that I dont fully understand why I had come up with it. I suppose its just experience and some subconscious thought that brings some things to light without a clear explanation. But then I have to find out if it is true. =]

Mags
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