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Author Topic: Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin  (Read 251487 times)

Magluvin

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Thats the problem Teets, and I suppose you are just getting that now, we dont get it.
We wish we could get it. But none of us do.
It would be nice if someone told us that they knew how to make Lemonade with water sugar but would not give us the last ingredient. One of us just might be able to figure it out that last ingredient.
But you tell us that you know how to make a club sandwhich, but the only ingredient given is white toast, most all of us will most likely be making the sandwhich quite a bit differently than yours and not get the same taste. That is if nobody knows about the club before you say you have it.

Your idea of clues are not even close for anyone to get what you have. And you know this by now. Yet we keep hearing from you like you are really giving us something. There are many hear eagar and willing to put in the effort. But we wish to know more and be more sure before we are led down that unkown road for nothing. It happens a lot and most are tired of it.
I saw something in this patent before you brought it up that you had seen something in it much earlier. But Im not seeing it now as I percieved it from the begining.
You can talk dominos all day, but it does not help without some basic comparison.

Mags

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I said for every pulse there is like a domino effect happening ok.
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"Like" How?  Like "Magic"?   :o

Teets,
When an OU event happens,I am sure it would or could look like "Domino's".[cascade]

SSOOoooo..............

How does it happen?

Chet

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Teetums
If I were you I would ask this guy ->   <- what to do.

I don't think he revealed this to keep it a secret.

The same secret that drove Tesla mad!

The Truth shall set you free!

 :-*

sparks

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  Mags

   Checkout the Papps Engine.  It uses an electrical ignition system of sorts. The funny thing is that it is exploding inert gas over and over and over again.  As the gas condenses or is restored from a plasma to a gas it sucks the piston forward.  Then the fusion catalyzed explosion and repeated an timed as necessary.  The power comes from the restorative force of the atom.
This force sets up the dominoes.  The electrical ignition system knocks em over.

wattsup

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    • Spin Conveyance Theory - For a New Perspective...
    Followed by a great number of implosions

"To get a stellar implosion (leading to a supernova and then either a black hole or neutron star), the fuel at the center of the star gets used up, and the core cools rapidly. The pressure that has been holding up the outer layer drops, and the outer shells start falling toward the center. The gas has a long way to fall (the radius of a red giant can be as large as the distance from the Earth to the Sun) and builds up a tremendous speed. It all meets at the center, at which point most of the mass rebounds into a supernova explosion. About 20% of the mass gets compacted at the center and either forms a neutron star or (if the original star was really large) a black hole."

That's it. How fast do you think that supernova was traveling in space ether just before it blows up. Once it blows, some particles will travel in the opposite direction of its travel and if they move out fast enough, will in essence for a split second be in the same space, not moving in ether and just disintegrate and turn into tiny black holes. If there is enough matter surrounding these blacks holes, the matter will fall towards the holes and the holes will get bigger and join together. At least that's how I see it. It's not one black hole but many smaller ones that agglomerate. All the conditions have to be just right, proper mass speed, proper explosion strength, proper counter direction velocity of propelled mass, proper amount of available mass (wood for the fire) surrounding the black holes, etc. That's why they are so rare.

@all

This generous ether is available. Let's say you can get 1 volt from a single wire aerial line connected to a radiant energy circuit that outputs 1 volt onto two wires, positive and negative. You can grab 1 volt per second or 1 million 1 volts per second, it's up to you and it will always be available, but only 1 volt. What do you do. You know the 1 volt will charge a capacitor very very very quickly. So what do you do? It's there for the taking.

Tesla has shown that a capacitor will eagerly accept and store that energy. So again what do you do. Well...........

In 99% of cases, guys are just amplifying the 1 volt into 5 volts but all that does is raise the volts and decrease the amps. So you are basically playing like a yoyo and getting no where.

You could also play the coil to coil game but again, there will be more and more losses to overcome.

This is my idea on how to harvest it.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8185.msg237431#msg237431

With such a circuit, you can grab as much energy as you need, anywhere. You can make more stages or more units and parallel them. You will not be stretching out the voltage and quickly produce real voltage and amperage.

I will open a new thread on this idea today or tomorrow. Just busy with so many other things. lol

DreamThinkBuild

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Hi Wattsup,

Here is a patent you may be interested in.
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=bl0LAAAAEBAJ

Figure 4 is similar in some respects to your design.

Another switching design, using supercaps.
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=nVoOAAAAEBAJ

If you combine these 2 patents you have a dc power source that could possibly run from an electrostatic generator or piezo element.

wattsup

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Hi Wattsup,

Here is a patent you may be interested in.
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=bl0LAAAAEBAJ

Figure 4 is similar in some respects to your design.

Another switching design, using supercaps.
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=nVoOAAAAEBAJ

If you combine these 2 patents you have a dc power source that could possibly run from an electrostatic generator or piezo element.

Those patents are close but not quite the same. But in general guys will get the idea that capacitors can be charged individually, then put into parallel before they are all discharged into a bigger, then do the same to the next bigger cap until they are all charged and then all discharge into an even bigger cap. Make as many stages as you want.

i think it was during an interview that Tesla said you can do this and get millions of volts. lol

I maybe should not have posted on this thread so I am sorry for that. I will open a new thread on this and again sorry for interjecting.

the_big_m_in_ok

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Tito L. Oracion said:
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ok!
its like a multiplication effect.
or divide and conquer. ;D
LIKE A BOMB EFFECT!
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THE REACTION OF A COIL INTO ANOTHER COILS AND TO OTHER COILS AND TO OTHER COILS AND SOOOOOO ON.... HMMMM......
Okay...maybe I'm understanding what some of you are getting at.
Don Smith implied, or actually stated, any number of coils can be placed near each other and achieve overunity as long at they're all in resonance.

That's the 'infinite' I took away from what I read on the thread.  If so, I agree with Tito.  I'm winding coils by hand now for a high frequency, low voltage(read: fairly safe) system to experiment with in my apartment.

--Lee

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That's it. How fast do you think that supernova was traveling in space ether just before it blows up. Once it blows, some particles will travel in the opposite direction of its travel and if they move out fast enough, will in essence for a split second be in the same space, not moving in ether and just disintegrate and turn into tiny black holes. If there is enough matter surrounding these blacks holes, the matter will fall towards the holes and the holes will get bigger and join together. At least that's how I see it. It's not one black hole but many smaller ones that agglomerate. All the conditions have to be just right, proper mass speed, proper explosion strength, proper counter direction velocity of propelled mass, proper amount of available mass (wood for the fire) surrounding the black holes, etc. That's why they are so rare.

@all

This generous ether is available. Let's say you can get 1 volt from a single wire aerial line connected to a radiant energy circuit that outputs 1 volt onto two wires, positive and negative. You can grab 1 volt per second or 1 million 1 volts per second, it's up to you and it will always be available, but only 1 volt. What do you do. You know the 1 volt will charge a capacitor very very very quickly. So what do you do? It's there for the taking.

Tesla has shown that a capacitor will eagerly accept and store that energy. So again what do you do. Well...........

In 99% of cases, guys are just amplifying the 1 volt into 5 volts but all that does is raise the volts and decrease the amps. So you are basically playing like a yoyo and getting no where.

You could also play the coil to coil game but again, there will be more and more losses to overcome.

This is my idea on how to harvest it.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8185.msg237431#msg237431

With such a circuit, you can grab as much energy as you need, anywhere. You can make more stages or more units and parallel them. You will not be stretching out the voltage and quickly produce real voltage and amperage.

I will open a new thread on this idea today or tomorrow. Just busy with so many other things. lol

hi sir your really a genious hmmmm.....

I salute you again for that  ;)

 ;D

Magluvin

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Well, I can visualize getting energy from the vacuum or aether. The igniter for example. What if the impulse ending abruptly into an inductor, leaves the current and field build continue by way of inertia, inertia that Tesla spoke of.
So that extra climb could be where gain begins. But the cutoff needs to be at peek current during discharge, meaning either immediately, or at peak field rise of an inductor.
So having proper cutoff during peak of impulse, leave the inductor with only 1 place to get the excess energy while winding down from the inertial climb, something you wont get without dc impulse with proper cutoff.
So some very good switching method will be needed, as good as one can afford to get min and max, on and off continuity, and speed/control.  Im not going to let my next whack at this go caveman. =]

I have an idea to just apply this to a pulse motor as the output for cap discharge. And it can be comparatively challenged by setting up the motor as a normal pulse motor. It seems like a logical scheme. Or we could measure sparks. =]
What I want to see from it is, if the pulse motor itself, getting very short reed pulses of higher current into .14ohm big coils, using more power total than the use of the large inductor having less current flowing through it for most of the time to charge the cap to run the motor coils.
I imagine even though there is a variation in rpm and torque, that the power used comparison will have to be calibrated accordingly to find out if more or less power is used either way.
But it will be also a bit more interesting with the motor going along with it. I yike motors.   ;D

Im just getting to the point that I can open the project stuff boxes from the move.

Mags


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Mags, switching method is the solution IMHO
The key for all electrical OU devices.
ARC not spark if you are using spark gap, or a proper exact timing compared to LC circuit energy flow.
It's like a ocean wave, if you watch on the shelf sometimes a proper synchronized wave breaks at the peak of amplitude and spread all the energy forward against coast.
In LC energy continuously change form, EM wave showing two faces.If you have antenna then one end of wire is open. If you have a perfect circuit breaker disconnecting antenna at the peak of amplitude of wave energy is accumulated in antenna opened on both sides and here is very abrupt collapse allowing ambient background to take place again . Something like that.I didn't resolved it completely - it's just a theory but very plausible.
Think another way : if that ambient background is returning to its natural position then this energy flow is opposite to first created by your circuit artificial field.Now look what happen : your artificial field if allowed to spread as EM wave (but we shouldn't do that) would be diminished according to the law with square of distance from source.Very fast. Yet ambient source flow is opposite to the center - it is like concentration of field to a point  :o


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forest,

Just grab a soldering iron for once in your life and stop theorizing DUDE.

forest

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 :'( I'm trying to help......

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg238894#msg238894

bart wow DUDE, do you have diamond wow balls ? because wow iron ones would be to wow soft if you post wow working device...  ::) wow I would like to see it wow
and this -> <- guy too  ;D

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Magluvin

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I think everyone contributes in their own ways. And each has their own values as to what is worth what.
Im getting the stuff put together for the igniter pulse motor project. I had a lot to sort through after the move.

Im also going to post a new thread on a magnet motor idea I have worked on for a while but had to stop and take a breather. I did a build that had a critical flaw in timing that I will disclose with pics and vids of the concept. My motto at Fizzx was " I always think of it like an electric motor, ya gotta have pole switching." And this idea is to the point.

Ok  im digging out things I need. I may get the other thread going in a bit just to throw some meat on that table.

Mags

Magluvin

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Ok I got my motor setup and just getting some things in place to make a few runs.
The other thread on my mag motor is another thing that needs to get going. But I want to get this buzzing first.
The plan is to use a large inductor to charge a cap and then discharge it into the pulse motor as a load.
Will be interesting to see it go.  I yike motors.   :D

I will set it up so the big motor coils can be put in series or parallel or even single combinations to get the best run going. Im going to use a reed to operate a relay for the contactor. 40A relay.

Mags