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Author Topic: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM  (Read 1213654 times)

gravityblock

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #135 on: December 17, 2009, 05:18:19 AM »
Looks like Steorn put out a new learning module that is very close to the working concept!

http://www.steorn.com/skdb/e-learning/flash-promo/3.1/index.html

Lumen, below is what the time variant magnetic material may be based on.

The Wiegand effect is a macroscopic extension of the Barkhausen effect as the special treatment of the Wiegand wire causes the wire to act macroscopically as a single large magnetic domain.  The small high-coercivity domains in the Wiegand wire outer shell switch in an avalanche, generating the Wiegand effect's rapid magnetic field change.

Because the voltage induced by a changing magnetic field is proportional to the rate of change of the field, a Wiegand-wire core can increase the output voltage by several orders of magnitude as compared to a similar coil with a non-Wiegand core. Once the Wiegand wire has flipped magnetization, it will retain that magnetization until flipped in the other direction.  It will not flip until an opposite polarity in the magnetic field reaches a certain threshold.

I've posted this information in various threads before this, but it's always ignored.  You're going to need more than just a toroid core.  You will need a Wiegand-wire core.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiegand_effect

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #136 on: December 17, 2009, 05:42:08 AM »
Great, now someone should build this. Although I would not recommend saturating the core.

I've seen several people who've had similar cop>1 designs based on the same method, but I don't recall their names and don't have the url's. Maybe someone knows.

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #137 on: December 17, 2009, 05:50:33 AM »
I looked at about 1/2 of the module and it contains just basic Electronics 101 stuff about magnetism.  I'm underwhelmed.

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I've seen several people who've had similar cop>1 designs based on the same method, but I don't recall their names and don't have the url's. Maybe someone knows.

My eyes are glazing over.

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #138 on: December 17, 2009, 06:08:57 AM »

MileHigh is now added to the iggy bin for trolling

Anyone who doesn't think COP>1 is possible, is a troll on this forum.  "Zero Stars", below his name.  Go join the Physics Forum, they will welcome you with open arms.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 06:40:12 AM by gravityblock »

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #139 on: December 17, 2009, 06:34:08 AM »
MileHigh is now added to the iggy bin for trolling

Anyone who doesn't think COP>1 is possible, is a troll on this forum.  "Zero Stars", below his name.  Go join the Physics Forum where you are welcomed.

Welcome aboard to the MH ignore list. Soon he'll be talking to himself, lol.

Hey, not to get off topic to the Steorn replication, but the Thane Heins "Bi-Toroid Transformer" seems to use the same effect, except in a solid-state design. I'm still trying to find the other inventors using the same effect. I vaguely recall his accent, perhaps Russian.

Here's an example of the Thane Heins "Bi-Toroid Transformer",

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cka7qb0zoc8

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #140 on: December 17, 2009, 06:57:50 AM »
Just swap the battery for a 25,000 uF capacitor and we will see who was right and who was glazed.

Paul, just use your "contacts" to get them to switch the battery for a capacitor, something that any person with the most basic understanding of energy and electronics would want to see.

MileHigh

PS:  Since Sean is claiming three times more energy out than in, he can put a resistor in parallel with the capacitor.  The energy return would burn through the resistor and also keep the capacitor charged to feed the motor.

So that's the real proof of the claim:  A capacitor in parallel with a resistor running the motor.  Everything else is bullshit - that's what they have to demo.  But that won't happen - it's just a motor powered by a battery and just a bare naked capacitor without a "bonus energy sucking" resistor would show decreasing voltage.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 07:47:24 AM by MileHigh »

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #141 on: December 17, 2009, 07:03:23 AM »
Here's an interesting statement,

Comment #23:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/16/steorns-orbo-free-en.html#comment-667190

Quote, "Saw it today in the docklands, spoke to one of the guys, said that in Jan they're going to be hooking up all the equipment, oscilloscopes, amp meters etc, without those aforementioned devices it's just a nice looking display with a nice looking girl watching over it!"

Sounds like Steorn is going to hook up meters & such to the Orbo in January.  ;D   If true, then it's all going as planned.

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #142 on: December 17, 2009, 09:25:59 AM »
MileHigh is now added to the iggy bin for trolling

Anyone who doesn't think COP>1 is possible, is a troll on this forum.  "Zero Stars", below his name.  Go join the Physics Forum, they will welcome you with open arms.

No sens.
This forum is not a mosque "muslims, welcome, atheists, out!"
It is a forum for "Free Energy Alternative", not a sect.

"Free Energy Alternative" does not mean COP>1. For example free energy could tape a hidden source.
And in any case, as this forum is regularly refering to conventional science and science is made by "not believers in COP>1" since the 19th century, skeptics are welcome too.

The Steorn show does not prove any thing. A D battery can supply power for weeks to a motor with low friction.
For storing and restoring energy on cycles as short as the time for a motor turn, a simple capacitor of some thousands of µF should be enough!
As we were all expecting for a full magnet motor, Steorn is always disappointing anybody except believers without critical thinking.

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #143 on: December 17, 2009, 12:21:22 PM »
exnihiloest,

There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, but condemnation before investigation is folly (that makes no sense).  At this moment, I believe the orbo is a fake, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated along with all other COP>1 claims.  In reference to those other claims in post #109, they were condemned by him in post #110 prior to any investigation because it was based on "electromagnetism 101".

Always a good possibility for the powers that be to have forced Steorn to demo a device that doesn't convince anyone of OU.  The way it was demoed makes no sense either.  Something is not right.

GB   
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 03:23:13 PM by gravityblock »

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #144 on: December 17, 2009, 03:09:01 PM »
I think all you need to do is just stop for a second and think really hard, what principal makes this device operate.
If you do this, you will see the exact reason this device is OU.
No other device uses this exact effect!
Think of the field going through the toroidal core by passing the two magnets along the upper and lower quadrants of the core.
AND when they reach the center point!


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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #145 on: December 17, 2009, 03:29:36 PM »
Hi All,

What an expensive work of art.  Nice machine work!  Looks to me like a Adams motor/generator with a torroidal twist. First remember that a 10Ah battery can power a low friction rotor for months if not years! Now to get to the "Guts" question.

Does it actually work as an excess energy producing device?

The most simple way to "prove" this technology is to GET RID OF THE BATTERY and run on a low impedance/low leakage Super Cap. At the COP claimed it would have no problem increasing the charge/voltage on the Cap. over time. If run away in unit is feared, use 1.5V zener of adequate wattage across Cap. to stabilize unit.  IF OU, voltage in Cap. will increase  from initial charge setting/rpm level  to zener limit along with an increase in RPM, then stabilization. 

Spin it up to speed with 1.25 V energy source and Cap. in parallel, let it stabilize (time?).  Monitor Cap. voltage with 20 Meg input, 4 1/2 digit  DVM. (if you are curious as I am, I assume it can power 20 meg load of meter and replace any leakage in the Cap.!) REMOVE energy SOURCE. Run on CAP only.  It either works or it doesn't!.....Until they remove ANY charge producing (Primary or secondary battery/device) except the motor/generator, I will be skeptical of this work of art.  I am a believer......just not in this technology as demonstrated. 

My gut feeling is you will never see a Cap. replace that battery.

My name is Ben, been there done that, happy holidays to all. 
 

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #146 on: December 17, 2009, 04:18:14 PM »
I think all you need to do is just stop for a second and think really hard, what principal makes this device operate.
If you do this, you will see the exact reason this device is OU.
No other device uses this exact effect!
Think of the field going through the toroidal core by passing the two magnets along the upper and lower quadrants of the core.
AND when they reach the center point!

Hi,

If you are saying no other device design uses the effect found in the Steorn Orbo then IMO that's incorrect. Going back years ago, all on my own I came up with designs that use that effect. Along the way I've seen numerous other inventors that have also used that effect. On paper it works out great, so it's definitely worth trying.

Paul

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #147 on: December 17, 2009, 04:34:09 PM »

http://www.freeenergytimes.com/?p=163

"Steorn have promised that in January there will be live validation and replication sessions which should provide help shed light on these issues."

Also supposedly Steorn said they're going to put all kinds of meters on the Orbo in January. Looks like January is going to be a great month!  ;D

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #148 on: December 17, 2009, 04:46:55 PM »
"Steorn have promised that in January there will be live validation and replication sessions which should provide help shed light on these issues."

 >:(

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Re: Steorn - it's all a matter of days away!!!
« Reply #149 on: December 17, 2009, 05:59:18 PM »
exnihiloest,

There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, but condemnation before investigation is folly (that makes no sense).
...

I agree, gravityblock.
Nevertheless the burden of proof is not on the side of the investigation. If evidence is not provided by the claimant, the investigation need not even be made. An electric motor running with a battery is not a sign and even less an evidence of COP>1.