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innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2009, 10:52:56 PM »
the question then becomes who has the proof and who wants the proof ...

after 1000 pages and many leds lit ...  from an aa ...  you need more proof!!

fool

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broli

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2009, 10:55:50 PM »
You are promoting something this forum isn't about. People should perform experiments when they have the time no matter what is claimed, this is how experience and knowledge is gained not by sitting and chilling.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2009, 10:58:30 PM »
On the contrary, I have a very good handle on what I am talking about. It required about 5 minutes of study to understand how this circuit works. Then I realized with your capacitor tests, you were simply transferring charge between either a battery and capacitor, or from capacitor to capacitor.

Either case, this is not overunity, and thus far no one has shown with any reasonable evidence that it is. Make some proper measurements, and understand what this circuit is actually doing before jumping the gun with an OU prize application. The JT and its derivatives, is simply a boost converter.

I would encourage you and all here to study the suggestions given here by myself and others.

.99
you cannot charge an ultracap up  with a plain AA battery . I did that test also . i tookl a fully charged aa battery and jumped a bcap that was setting at .5 and the batt ery got hot and was dead in 5 minutes and the cap never thought about charging . just a tiny bit nothing . it never reached unity much less OU /same thing with cap to cap . It sees batteries and batteries chargers as a DEAD SHORT .

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2009, 11:03:02 PM »
IST:

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after 1000 pages and many leds lit ...  from an aa ...  you need more proof!!

That statement means absolutely nothing and yes I and everyone reading this should demand that Gadget show some proof that he has over unity.  He doesn't have it and it is extremely unlikely that he is capable of proving it.  That's the case for you also.

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People should perform experiments when they have the time no matter what is claimed, this is how experience and knowledge is gained not by sitting and chilling.

There are the right ways to learn and there are the wrong ways to learn.  Spending a hundred dollars and hundreds of hours building and testing something that doesn't even work is not the right way to learn.

MileHigh

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2009, 11:07:29 PM »
maybe you cought a clue .....


DEAD SHORT!!

gadget is first!   

 ;D

ist

you think this is neat waite till i tell you about orbit ...  ;) and how to make it self oscolate ...

with a single charge ...  imagine 875 amp in osc... lol

with out control crcuitry ...

you do not know what i have learned  ;)

w814

gadget cap resistance please .. if you have it handy ....   now figure that into consideration  :D :o

may the resistance play a big roll ?   it sure does with diodes ...  ;)  lol

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2009, 11:12:55 PM »
In all fairness MileHigh, the JT is a pretty cool circuit, and I have no qualms at all about people building and playing around with them to improve their efficiency etc. This is a good learning tool for those wanting to explore DC-DC converters and SMPS circuits etc.

However, my eyes do perk up :o when I see extraordinary claims being made about these ordinary circuits, and it's wrong for people to be misled about them.

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innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2009, 11:16:22 PM »
99

i told you i got perfect sine ...  thats ac ....  duh...   680 v scoped...

from pulsed dc   so drop the its just dc crap your words are un true!

w

as i said you can go read my every word ...  pictures are there videos are there explanations are there ... all is there ...

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2009, 11:33:06 PM »
IST

  I appreciate your work. Can you let me know where is your videos located?

  Also where is the circuit diagram?

  Just draw it or picture it or take a video.

   Then we understand what you are trying to teach us?

  Thanks, sorry for bad english accent.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #98 on: November 23, 2009, 12:02:04 AM »
IST:

That statement means absolutely nothing and yes I and everyone reading this should demand that Gadget show some proof that he has over unity.  He doesn't have it and it is extremely unlikely that he is capable of proving it.  That's the case for you also.

Broli:

There are the right ways to learn and there are the wrong ways to learn.  Spending a hundred dollars and hundreds of hours building and testing something that doesn't even work is not the right way to learn.

MileHigh
I am already building a couple units to send to stefan . Ther will be self running heaters /lights from a 1 volt battery and will run until the life of the battery is exhausted about 4-6 years at which time you just pop in a new one freshely charged and good to go again . Its eating you guts up isnt it . That  I am going to win. and all your efforst with tpus and other stuff doesnt come close to a real working unit that provides power from nothing  . I know perfectly well what i am doing ,seeing and measuring . The problem is you Guys are just simple minded flamers unless you take the time to make one . ARE you all That BROKE ? When i win you guys better apologize to IST and I . I proved what i need to win and now i am going to go to the one who is higher than all of you who is holding the contest . he will see i guarantee it . I just want my units back . so very simple to make Except for the control board Gl and i are working on to hit the battery every so often to make it self run without touching it with a  tiny portion of the surplus 2.6 volts 3500 amps / THIS WILL FRY  WIRE BUD > from 5/1000th volts loss  from the 2500 ma AA battery to the massive storage of energy from the ultracap It's Visible . I don't go out on the limb unless i know its a sure thing . Because this simple demonstration can be built blindfolded you all negative people should be ashamed you have not even attempted to replicate it / So be it .. you keep saying show it but you don't make an effort to disprove me with a replication . I showed it . now im showing to win .and only two people make that decision . not you .
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #99 on: November 23, 2009, 12:15:26 AM »
gadget when you redo the experiments can you put it in a simple bar chart at the beginning of this thread.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #100 on: November 23, 2009, 12:21:31 AM »
I am already building a couple units to send to stefan . Ther will be self running heaters /lights from a 1 volt battery and will run until the life of the battery is exhausted about 4-6 years at which time you just pop in a new one freshely charged and good to go again . Its eating you guts up isnt it . That  I am going to win. and all your efforst with tpus and other stuff doesnt come close to a real working unit that provides power from nothing  . I know perfectly well what i am doing ,seeing and measuring . The problem is you Guys are just simple minded flamers unless you take the time to make one . ARE you all That BROKE ? When i win you guys better apologize to IST and I . I proved what i need to win and now i am going to go to the one who is higher than all of you who is holding the contest . he will see i guarantee it . I just want my units back . so very simple to make Except for the control board Gl and i are working on to hit the battery every so often to make it self run without touching it with a  tiny portion of the surplus 2.6 volts 3500 amps / THIS WILL FRY  WIRE BUD > from 5/1000th volts loss  from the 2500 ma AA battery to the massive storage of energy from the ultracap It's Visible . I don't go out on the limb unless i know its a sure thing . Because this simple demonstration can be built blindfolded you all negative people should be ashamed you have not even attempted to replicate it / So be it .. you keep saying show it but you don't make an effort to disprove me with a replication . I showed it . now im showing to win .and only two people make that decision . not you .
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Gadget

holy sh!ft    gadget !   lol

well stated sir!

SH!FT IN!

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #101 on: November 23, 2009, 12:26:29 AM »
you cannot charge an ultracap up  with a plain AA battery . I did that test also

Hi,

A 650F ultracap charged to 2.7V has 2369 joules. A 2900mAh AA NiMH battery has 12500 joules. 12500 J is a lot higher than 2900 J. So a good DC-DC converter circuit at 95% efficiency could easily charge a 650F bcap.

And we could get even more techincal because a battery rating of Ah is *not* the total energy contained in a battery. There's a lot more energy, so a AA 2900mAH NiMH battery has a lot more than 12500 joules.

Paul
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 12:57:55 AM by PaulLowrance »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #102 on: November 23, 2009, 12:34:48 AM »
However, my eyes do perk up :o when I see extraordinary claims being made about these ordinary circuits, and it's wrong for people to be misled about them.

I'd like to give gadget the benefit of doubt and allow him to prove his claim of OU. There circuit is interesting. The 2N3904 seems to work best for this circuit, at least with the 50 or so transistors I've tried in spice. It gives a 15ns current pulse in the inductor windings (not the parallel capacitance, so it's real current) that is interesting. Conventional science is still learning a lot about magnetic materials. Furthermore, some scientists, by profession, that I'm working with are beginning to believe there is something unknown about intense electric fields.

Paul

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #103 on: November 23, 2009, 12:35:57 AM »
I am already building a couple units to send to stefan . Ther will be self running heaters /lights from a 1 volt battery and will run until the life of the battery is exhausted about 4-6 years at which time you just pop in a new one freshely charged and good to go again . Its eating you guts up isnt it . That  I am going to win. and all your efforst with tpus and other stuff doesnt come close to a real working unit that provides power from nothing  . I know perfectly well what i am doing ,seeing and measuring . The problem is you Guys are just simple minded flamers unless you take the time to make one . ARE you all That BROKE ? When i win you guys better apologize to IST and I . I proved what i need to win and now i am going to go to the one who is higher than all of you who is holding the contest . he will see i guarantee it . I just want my units back . so very simple to make Except for the control board Gl and i are working on to hit the battery every so often to make it self run without touching it with a  tiny portion of the surplus 2.6 volts 3500 amps / THIS WILL FRY  WIRE BUD > from 5/1000th volts loss  from the 2500 ma AA battery to the massive storage of energy from the ultracap It's Visible . I don't go out on the limb unless i know its a sure thing . Because this simple demonstration can be built blindfolded you all negative people should be ashamed you have not even attempted to replicate it / So be it .. you keep saying show it but you don't make an effort to disprove me with a replication . I showed it . now im showing to win .and only two people make that decision . not you .
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #104 on: November 23, 2009, 12:37:52 AM »
continuing from my previous post, I've given you several examples of ordinary components that appear to violate conventional science, .99. Several scientists, by profession, that I'm working with have verified it.

Paul