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Author Topic: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits  (Read 446953 times)

Offline broli

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #120 on: November 23, 2009, 01:54:34 AM »
broli,

The guy I bought my *new* 650F bcap on ebay sells internationally. They're $30 + s&h.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=370233804626&Category=4662&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2

his ebay account username is cusdn, and has a flawless sellers rating.

It says 30$+9$ for shipping within US only, no other country can be chosen.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #121 on: November 23, 2009, 02:00:41 AM »
Gadget:

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While dumping the load, make
several voltage readings over the resistor. Now average the
voltage readings to get a mean value Notating this on  my notebook
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Now you repeat the above until you have used up all charge in the AA
battery.

Averaging the voltage readings is completely wrong and you are demonstrating to the world that you do not understand what you are doing and are therefore unable to make proper measurements.

MileHigh

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #122 on: November 23, 2009, 02:16:20 AM »
ok honestly guys...
we all had enough of the biclkering

if you dont stop this ... 

i will request this all be put  on hold

and the thred (S)  be locked till you grow up

i will no longer respond to people that laque basic human respect ..

i ask gadget  to let the sheep fly away it is a true waste of time

i will as i have said earlyer... resume building

when you all grow up ... 

till then i ask all seneable members that may have actually learned something to refrian from posting ....  till the dust settles

i said b4 no fighting .. it is clear some dont understand .. and some may have come to deeper understandings ... 

i call break time!!

peace   i will return to reserching agin soon


Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #123 on: November 23, 2009, 02:50:50 AM »
OK!

Look, as your humble Moderator I have to step in here.  Milehigh, Poynt, etc. here is the thing.  Gadgetmall is a highly respected member of this forum and, if he said he found a way to make pigs fly, I will give him the benefit of the doubt to prove it.

So, what I am saying is this:  Unless/until Stefan awards or does not award the OU prize to Gadget, We will not tolerate in this topic any bashing of Gadget, or anyone.

He, in my opinion, has explained his experiments fully, totally and I have seen his progression from where he was, to where he is now in the JT topic from all of his experiments.  So, this all makes sense to me.  Is it real?  Is it true?  I believe it is but, no matter, we will know once Stefan gives his circuit the going over required by the OU prize requirements.

I have had moderator privileges for quite some time and, I have never had to delete posts that were not requested to me to be deleted by the poster.  BUT, for now, I will remove any posts that attack, besmirch, or degrade Gadgetmall or anyone else on this topic.

Gadgetmall is not Mylow folks.

I understand the skepticism and, usually that is healthy.  It keeps us on the right track.  But, this man has declared his results, posted I don't know how many drawings and explanations, answered many, many questions, and still we have a select few demanding, requiring, debunking, ect.

This will stop.

Read his posts on the JT topic.  Yes, he was there many, many pages ago.

Don't tell me what supercaps can and can't do as I have fully documented my work here, and on Youtube.  I don't know everything they can do, of course, but I have a lot of hands on experience with them.  Also, Gadget has said I don't know how many times, that his Bcap (boostcap) is NOT just a supercap, it is a hybrid of a battery with electrolyte and a supercap.  He has stated this many times.  My work has been both with the supercaps AND this Bcap.  So, I know there is a difference. Check out my 40 JT supercap experiment videos on youtube to see my experiments with the JT circuit, supercaps and this new Bcap.  Then get back to me and tell me what it will and will not do.

So, to recap here,  Gadgetmall has shared his discovery with us and answered many questions relating to it.  That is what we are all (or most of us) here for.  He has been in contact with Stefan and, applied for the OU prize, those results will be known when they are determined.  Until then, we do NOT need folks, especially new folks that have not read anything prior, to be coming in here to rip Gadget, or IST or Jeanna, or me, or anyone else.

Let us see what happens and, if Gadeget is correct, (which I think he is) we will have all had the opportunity to witness history.

Thank you all for reading this.

Bill

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #124 on: November 23, 2009, 05:47:29 AM »
I'm not interested in bashing folks Bill, but please tell me if in your opinion that is what I have done in my posts here?

I have questioned the evidence or proof and perhaps the full understanding by folks of what the JT really does, but I do not believe I have bashed anyone here.

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Offline innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #125 on: November 23, 2009, 06:47:33 AM »
Did anybody note the iron filings in oil art piece I posted somewhere. It is just like some of those shots.
It was sort of like the rug symbols... bo a lot like them.
j

he sure is a smart guy ...  ;D

altho i have an explanation of the proper use of this  not quite like ag...  and   this is simple ... 

first you must understand spins..  that is the secreat of the univirse  this is held on high through ALL RELIGONS!  oops  ..  the R word .. yikes  i feel your ora curl up lol

no worries..    what this is ...  is infact ...  what all is made of ...  now some things i have come to on conculisions ...  have NEVER BEEN TOLD!  8)   

subatomic ballanced gyroscopic particle..  it is an effect of spinn...

so if i built a spin seperator ...  i can take you apart by your spinns .. and reconnect you some where else ... 

this is a transportor  .. and teleportors are diffrent!  they do the same thing ..   i beleave the  but operate diffrently .. 

transportor i think is a 2 way device ..  so  when you understand creation you can do things you thought were magic ...  there not ...  it is darn simple .. 

the rodin coil is a teleportor ...  agin it most likely needs 2 coils ... there for is 2 way ..  but the rodin coil has many reconnects!  hence it is a multi destonation device  basically you make tunnels... that join the devices ..   depending on what you are sending choose the fire freq ... 

it is possible this is done in 1 smak...  too  i would need to study it more to make it work properly ...

i can easly lay our how it works why it is possible ...  but the operation freqs of such a unit i have no idea ..

the secreat is disclosed in this post but  you dont have eyes to see it ..   

tesla was facionated with counter rotating feilds ..  ;)   

 ;D

ist

Offline jeanna

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #126 on: November 23, 2009, 06:56:53 AM »
I agree.
The tricky part is we have not made one yet.

Did you ever see the video about carr?

Carr was a student/acolyte of tesla who built a spaceship.

If you go to the project camelot, you can find rick ryan and there is an interview of him where he describes being in this spaceship and how the thing got taken from carr just as it had been taken from tesla.
here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfM23rAZTSQ

We are now entering the time when it is going to happen anyway.

enjoy these wonderful dreams and dream hard!!
ist, did you ever watch anything disappear with your rodin coil?
jeanna

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #127 on: November 23, 2009, 07:03:06 AM »
i never built it ...  i just see how the crap works .. for whatever reason ...

i could build 1   but i like teslas cone better ...  ;)

it can be split in 2

teslas .. as a 1 way jump ..  :)

because of 369

ist!

naw this comes into my mind ..  ds did it for me for the transportor bout 15 of his words it hit me hard...

 ;D ;D  darn near fell out of my chair ..  :D

that is a good video ..  just finished watching it ..

i can draw conculsions on the ship easly ...

isis wand  ;)

it is a sphere ...  he said there was a laser style light .. from the bottom ...  what quartz?  was it

i draw this conculsion based upon the posted video at a 1 time listen ... never herd of carr  but i bet he is back too .. he just dont know it ..  ;) 

light sets up resonance in the ball ... i have no idea how it was porpelled .. or floated sclar ?

but it is a con link.. device .. he seems really cool MR RING

i think when you acheive resonance in a perfect sphere things ocour  i do not understand this yet to think to talk of that ..

sure is a mind melter for humans ..

how ever a few books wiggled there way are way a while ago...  that do go into some detail on such things ... 

ps  you need an engery belt to remember  ;) i have herd 1 could be made avabil for study  :o

i declined some time ago ...  i will make the request ... im wondering if i dont need one...  8)


here is some thing else i have been seeing thease clear dots for years ...  i never knew what they were...  till today i made em dance ..  i think im begining to see 4d ....  can this be the case ...

it is like perhaps tacions or fireflys ... i can i think control them by mind power ...  they apear tiny but and seam close but they may in fact be far ... i have no explanation for this ... 

you can visuzlize them a like a tiny round rain drop that have no set pattern they follow .. the go every where  i though may be gravitios .. but dont think so   many times they start out as 1 and seprate and kinda skipp ..  btw no im not high on drugs! 

short and long ... i see many more now and they dance as a gyro ...  many make 1 oddest thing ..

i will expairment tommorow as i think my stuff got turned on  :o 8)

prior to yesterday i never ever saw them act  with system ...

this is infact how and why JESUS could walk on water ...  this goes deep .. and sure i have gaind some but not all understandings...  i beleave with the t sheild ...   many things are possible ...

 ;D

now if im now who i think i am why have i solved all i have ?  with not so much effort?
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« Reply #128 on: November 23, 2009, 07:12:12 AM »
I'm not interested in bashing folks Bill, but please tell me if in your opinion that is what I have done in my posts here?

I have questioned the evidence or proof and perhaps the full understanding by folks of what the JT really does, but I do not believe I have bashed anyone here.

.99

My point was this...it appeared that a small group of folks kept asking the same questions, which Gadget had answered previously, but the same questions, or similar ones, kept being asked.

That's not OU.  You don't know what OU is.  How do you know it is OU?  Did you measure the input and the output?  Charging a cap is not OU.  What was your battery charge before you started?  And on and on and on.

It is not like Gadget was ignoring these questions...he answered them as best he could.  It just got to the point where the same questions were being asked, and then answered, and then asked again, and then answered again.

So, to answer your question, no, I do not think that you bashed Gadget, but I do think it was not productive, and I don't mean to single you out here at all because there were many posts by many folks, to keep asking about the OU prize and how he did not qualify and how he did not measure this or that well enough to win...etc.  My faith is in Stefan.  I mean, if I announced that I believed that I had won the prize, I would not expect Stefan to just cut me a check based upon my say so.  As per his stated requirements, it will be evaluated to see if it meets the criteria, etc.  If it does, he wins, if not, he does not.

I just wanted to stop what I saw as a trend in going after Gadget and asking him questions that he had already answered a few pages back.  I have to admit, he had more patience than I as he did make an attempt to answer again, and again and again, when all most of the folks had to do was go back a few pages and read his earlier responses.  For the folks that did read his earlier responses and still said he did not measure right, and Gadget said he did, and they said he didn't and Gadget said he did, well, this was not getting anywhere so, we will leave it up to Stefan, who does know how to measure input and output and also controls the prize money.

Forgive me if you believe I singled you out as I did not intend to come across that way.  I remember your posts and while they may have been a little redundant, they were not personal attacks on Gadget in any way, so you are right, you were not bashing him.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.  I hate to keep using the joule thief topic (over 10,000 posts) as an example but I will anyway.  We always have welcomed disagreement and dissent as it has helped keep our numbers and experiments honest and has corrected some mistakes along the way.  This is a good thing.  But, if I say hey, I did this and that, and someone says, no you didn't and I say yes I did and they say no you didn't because of this, and I say yes I did, I checked that and they say no you didn't...well you get the idea.  Besides I  have seen evidence of OU with the JT circuit and supercaps long ago and have published all of my experiments in video.  Gadget has taken what we have seen all along to a new level so we, who have worked with this for quite a while, are not shocked by his accomplishments.  Others just coming into the topic are saying stupid things like...JT's are an inductor (yes) Jt's are a simple transformer (yes) they do not create energy (no they don't) but look what they can do and what folks have done with them.  An led takes about 3.5- 4 volts to light along with about 30 mA's or so.  Over a year ago I lit 400 leds with a single AA battery using a JT circuit.  Then, I did the same thing using my earth battery and a boost cap (exactly like the one Gadget is using as I bought it from him)  This is funny because my EB has never put out over 2 volts and about 19 mA's.  Is that creating energy?  No.  Is it storing energy coming out of the EB that I didn't even know was there?  Yes.

Well, this is a very long response to your short question and I hope you see where I am coming from.  You, and several others have raised your reservations about Gadget's circuit.  Those have been duly noted and we will wait and see what Stefan decides.

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #129 on: November 23, 2009, 02:57:26 PM »
@Gadget,

I finally got all caught up in the threads. If there is a way to shut up IST you should try. He is going to be your downfall. He needs to listen to what others are saying and try to understand. The self patting on the back is ridiculous. Maybe it would be better if he jumped in his teleporter and went back to his home planet.

The BIG discovery here is the Ultracap.

You can't use regular or supercaps to get the same results, so the trick is the Ultracap not the jt. There will soon be many other ways popping up to show how to charge them up. Earth Battery, solar call, bendini......

I really don't think it is an overunity discovery, But thank you very much for bringing the ultracaps to our attention. I will have to save up some money to get a couple off of you to play with.

your Welcome  BUT  as said in previous post there is MUCH room for improvemenst to this OU effect and As a condition i asked Stephan   and in all fairness  I discovered it and build it first and its My concepts therefor No prize entrant or entries shall  use My concept  to enter for the prize including using an ultracapacitor or a joule thief as per MY concept . Simply put you can enter using any charging Method with an ultracap as the output source nor use the circiut ground loop had designed and i am ironing out . You can however replicate improve  the design for the benifit  for all but no entery for prize .
Its ou . a simple test for you non believers . If you HAVE a "SUPERCAP" take a charged aa battery @2500ma and charge the at cap up to full capacity . You will not be able to this and your aa battery will depleat very fast trying to do it . Again I charge  Over the unity of My Run Battery  1.4 volts to a BCap with over 2.5-2.6 volts with virtually no loss from the source at all .at the very worst  using a different battery a 10th of a volt drop ., In my case it was  only the last number  5/1000th loss and a full bcap with Energy far beyond . you can actually make the source AA battery explode from the power gained  in teh bcap .!!this is the concept on the Circuit board  we are building to charge the aa battery up to a set voltage either back to unity or over the initial start volts . . And this only takes a second or to to do this . as i stated its like charging an aa battery with a100 amp battery charger . you can only hold it on that for afew seconds before the battery gets hot and eventually Explodes .. i got guy. Als o i did nbot start the repete Experiment 1 last night because i am waiting for an aa battery to Fully charge (18 hours) before i begin the redo over . I am how ever repeating experiment one on a copy of the circuit using an old nickle cadnium battery about 7 years old . here are the results of this so far. remamber this is an old cadinium battery not Ni-mh new one . this one i have had to pop with a12 volt charger several time thruu the last few years to unshort it . i believe its 750 mah a generic GREEN one no markings

circuit exactly as the first one ::with arun battery charged as high as i could get it  the start voltage  and charge voltage is as follows . Also the Current draw for the Transistor is set to 12.90ma at the start of charging an ultracap 650f . also the start volts of the Upcap Is .544 the normal resting voltage of the Ultracapacitor

  Time           RUN                CHARGE

 6:45 pm        1.495              .544
 6:50 pm         1.438              .550
 10:50pm         1.358              .605
 11:10pm         1.344               .803
 12:20am          1.334              .846
  6:05 am          1.310              1.000
  9:18am           1.304               1.048
  9.59             1.303                 1.058
11:08              1.300                 1.076
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #130 on: November 23, 2009, 03:29:38 PM »
your Welcome  BUT  as said in previous post there is MUCH room for improvemenst to this OU effect and As a condition i asked Stephan   and in all fairness  I discovered it and build it first and its My concepts therefor No prize entrant or entries shall  use My concept  to enter for the prize including using an ultracapacitor or a joule thief as per MY concept . Simply put you can enter using any charging Method with an ultracap as the output source nor use the circiut ground loop had designed and i am ironing out . You can however replicate improve  the design for the benifit  for all but no entery for prize .
Its ou . a simple test for you non believers . If you HAVE a "SUPERCAP" take a charged aa battery @2500ma and charge the at cap up to full capacity . You will not be able to this and your aa battery will depleat very fast trying to do it . Again I charge  Over the unity of My Run Battery  1.4 volts to a BCap with over 2.5-2.6 volts with virtually no loss from the source at all .at the very worst  using a different battery a 10 of o volt ., In my case it was  only the last number  5/1000th loss and a full bcaps with Energy far beyond . you can actually make the source AA battery explode from the power gained .!!
Gadget

I know what your saying and I congratulate you on being the first to find this out. What I guess I was trying to put forth was that there are many inventions out there that claim OU based on BEMF. The problem in the past is that there was really no way to harness this power. The ultracap, may be the solution to all of these.
I don't want to sound rude or flame you (as you are already getting enough of that), and I do believe that you are probably right in your claim of OU. However, the only discovery here is the ultracap. I am not sure if you should be able to claim a concept of charging an ultracap which in all fairness is an invention of someone else. 

I'm starting to sound negative, which I really am not so I better stop now.

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« Reply #131 on: November 23, 2009, 03:46:00 PM »
I know what your saying and I congratulate you on being the first to find this out. What I guess I was trying to put forth was that there are many inventions out there that claim OU based on BEMF. The problem in the past is that there was really no way to harness this power. The ultracap, may be the solution to all of these.
I don't want to sound rude or flame you (as you are already getting enough of that), and I do believe that you are probably right in your claim of OU. However, the only discovery here is the ultracap. I am not sure if you should be able to claim a concept of charging an ultracap which in all fairness is an invention of someone else. 
 
I'm starting to sound negative, which I really am not so I better stop now.
here is somthing to ponder about that . Mark twain , steven King ,edgar Allen Poe  and others published books and made millions on someone elses invention . They did not Invent the words . they came from another  invention the  dictionary :) I have had ultracaps all year and this  is a recent discovery . and i can tell you that YES this is the smoking gun (ULTRACApacitors)or BATTERY CAPS
@Mr Mags  Well another example of people who claimed a discovery arre John Bedini . He patented his circuit . He did not invent the parts . he just rearranged them .


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« Reply #132 on: November 23, 2009, 03:48:34 PM »
here is somthing to ponder about that . Mark twain , steven kib and others published books and made money . They did not Invent the words . they came from another  invention the  dictionary :)

Gadget

They also didn't claim to discover something. :)

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« Reply #133 on: November 23, 2009, 03:49:15 PM »
great work gadget!

that is verry impressive .. it used verry little and it has gained

you guys are in for it!!  8) :o :o :o

lol

wate till you see the miles we run with this ...

i can improve this beond your dreams ...  ;) ;D

i will not if there is nothing done with it  or if we are continually pounded by the dozzies ..

hence my last post  ;D 

if ya dont get it dont bother argueing .. test it!

yes gadget this all  for you   and im damm proud you will see!  8)

and pony is gonna be 1 busy soul  ;D ;D ;D ;D  lmao


w814

for 1 mr m i do agree with you ...  about others work!  i stand beside you there ...   i do not know who the origonal was ...   but credit must be awarded for that person indeed... 

however in all fairness this does work ... the improvements the team will make in weeks to come .. will be second to none ..  ;)

in all instance it will be ou the design totally reflects ou put ... i wound more coils than anyone ... that im aware of .. i have discovered many more things ... put your seatbelt on ...   ;)

the jt is ou by orignal .. the orininal inventer has a flawed understanding of what is actually happining in the tj's operation ...

im not sure it has been exposed public yet .. the exact source ... but ill tell ya im not far from that ..

all free engery devices ever built operate on the same thing .. with some ecptions...

i could list you over 200 units that use this teck ...  nevermind the over 1000 things that use it and dont even know they are .. lol

kinda like the fugi lol

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« Reply #134 on: November 23, 2009, 03:51:03 PM »
Sorry, just keep doing your thing. I hope you will have a few of them ultracaps left when I finally get some cash together.
Good Luck.

Agreed, the smoking gun is the ultracap!!