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kooler

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #495 on: July 30, 2010, 04:54:29 AM »
@wattsup
great post
the first time i saw the big tpu unit light the 10 bulbs on the 24awg test leads i knew there wasn't any current running thru the bulbs.. 830 volts at 10 amps would have smoked the leads...
plus on the smaller tpu's those small plasma sparks on hook up are more like 1kv at a few ma's
we all know that if you want to trick a clamp meter just run high volts thru the wire..
i once got excited cause i thought i built the tpu but, otto showed me that i built one of floyd sweets devices..
so i am still working on this..
i hope i did not stray to much..

robbie

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #496 on: July 30, 2010, 08:26:48 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

Im speechless.

I cant read your post a second time because you wrote a lot of .......I have to be nice!

If you allow a little advice: forget the videos and concentrate on your coils. Learn, learn and again, learn.

From your previous posts I know that youre very clever and able to work and learn and I really dont understand why you wrote this post!

Otto

Mk1

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #497 on: July 30, 2010, 08:36:36 AM »
@Wattsup

Great post !

Thanks !

@otto

Don't be so quick to judge ... either way we can make it !

With hybrid power , basically mixing AC and DC in the magnetic domain is the key to the tpu !

@all

Look at this video , take note of when he speaks of the role of the current and the role of the voltage in the output wave , this should be enough to Make you think !

No one ever said the tpu was a OU devise , its a conversion device at best
And included in the battery category.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UneWw5w890&feature=related

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #498 on: July 30, 2010, 09:07:31 AM »
Very well written .
The gyroscopic action is confirmed by any body who has held the device.

The washboard effect had never been replicated.
The engineers reports would not exist as they do.

A friend of mine has a similar perspective to you and he is still my friend.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #499 on: July 30, 2010, 10:05:38 AM »
Hello all,

@MK1

I would never dare to judge anybody but I cant agree with @wattsup! Sorry!

I SEE on my workbench that he failed in some points in his statements.

And yes, AC and DC is mixed in a TPU but we know this from Lindsays first posts.

@Lindsay

it seems that only a core can cause a vibration of a TPU.

I used a lot of cores and only cores with a magnetic metal gave me the needed vibrations and this would mean also the gyro effect.

Otto

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #500 on: July 30, 2010, 10:47:04 AM »
Hi Tito,

Unfortunately, to charge up a cap, you do need current too.

Please study this link:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capchg.html

I wonder what is your OU device COP number is? Have you estimated it?
COP=output/input

Thanks,  Gyula

yes i agree but sometimes coil charge up caps very fast, i mean extremely fast!

i am getting input first in a battery but using it only as an starter cause the antenna is included in the tpu.

i think cop measuring is not needed anymore cause its surely OU!

revealing................  ;D 

Mk1

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #501 on: July 30, 2010, 10:59:06 AM »
@Otto

Maybe like a speaker type oscillator , probably less prone to loading ...

Not unlike a 2 coil dc motor , but with vertical action only ...

I will even make you a drawing , just because i am nice .

I don't like it because your opinion is really valued by many people around , and you can easily dictate the direction of the work done and to be done .

People should be free to waist there money on there own experiment .

In the end a opinion is just that a opinion and by definition is part of the holder .

If you succeed great , but i have seen many following your progress for years , and helping as best . what you got to show so far only a opinion .

The tpu is only a high freq generator low power just to raise the volts and a mag amps that is all , no one even built it . we just want security well the idea of if not electricity .

There is enough mag amp patent (magnetic field current amp) around all between 1945 and 1960 all agree .

if you can generate high volts from nothing and raise the current from nothing .


Ok the drawing , rigid holder ring , rubber ban 2 coils or one ...

Powered off freely moving the coils will induce a current that current can be induced back in the second coil creating motion and vs versa , so quite effective system.

Pulsing the coil will generate movement from the coil , the addition of other magnet on the outside may be need to generate movement.

This is a oscillator and a great one for that ...

It works from as low as 1.5 volts generate high voltage , i use a jt circuit ...

Then those spikes of high voltage high freq are just perfect to mix with dc current in magamp ...

if you have questions ask ...

also 2 coil motor same basic idea sorry can't find video. I believe there is a moving generator version of the magamp called . amplidyne

i should have been a engineer ...

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #502 on: July 30, 2010, 12:13:11 PM »
@MK1

dont complicate it! A 555 and some parts around it will do the job. Almost nothing special untill you start to measure around such an oscillator. Of course powered with a battery.

There was a long time ago a message, when I made the ECD, that I should "dictate" so to say the direction of our research. That Im the leader.

Im not a dictator nor a leader and all the fine people here can explore and work what they want!! We all are free. I hope at least.

You said the TPU is only a high frequency low power device. This showes me that you dont have any idea about the TPU!

The TPU is a HF device but the output power is only restricted with the diameter of the used wires in the coils. Now imagine that!!

It seems that this Friday is a "black day" in the TPU research and some people have already switched OFF their brains.

Otto




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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #503 on: July 30, 2010, 12:34:33 PM »
@otto

You are a very funny guy , you told me you needed motion , i gave you motion , now you tell me it should be static , lol , make up your mind ...

Didn't i say that about high freq high voltage ? 100 volts is high for me ... i will make it from 1.5 v  :o

Well sorry , i will have a look at it ...

When you make comments about others or ridicule others by your acting and reaction , you effect others and more than you reckon , if you are great be greater , if you got something to share make it simple so everyone not following would or understanding would clearly show there card and intent ...

By your reaction at my suggestion , i see either you are unwilling to take the time to think about it , know it is logical and wright yet still try to buries it , by ego or else , or plain dumb ... i may work its charm on others ,but not here . Illogical response are from people under stress , tying to hide things , or bad reader ... those are facts . Did you look at it ?

I will however not make that judgment , but i see it .

To conclude its so simple then show it otherwise you are no better then IST.

I will agree it is simple ! I am tying to show it ! we will see who first .




 

 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #504 on: July 30, 2010, 12:53:40 PM »
MK1

sorry, I dont get it. Motion, static?? What are you talking about?

100V are really not a high voltage but 1kV is a high voltage.

In the past I made the ECD and only a few people have rebuilded it. I posted a docu where I re3searched the particles, nobody reacted. I made a video about a special oscillator, nothing.

Yes, I know what people want: a finnished TPU and so they will only ask for the price and dont have to  waste their time and money for a device that is only low power as you said.

Yes, Im under a heavy stress because I still, like 3 and more years ago, I see only a lot of bla, bla and no test results, no drawings....I see only a lot of speculations, guesses and Im asking myself why I should jump out with something usefull when others are only wasting their time here.

The final question is: do we really "deserve" such a device like a TPU???

Thats all from me because Im from Monday on a nice vacation working on my TPUs.

Otto

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #505 on: July 30, 2010, 12:56:40 PM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

Im speechless.

I cant read your post a second time because you wrote a lot of .......I have to be nice!

If you allow a little advice: forget the videos and concentrate on your coils. Learn, learn and again, learn.

From your previous posts I know that youre very clever and able to work and learn and I really dont understand why you wrote this post!

Otto


How was that helpful the guy spent 3 days working on it , you call it shit .

Don't care to enlighten him or anyone else for that matter , i have a hard time seeing , how helpful you are .

How would you like someone treating you like that ?

We will find out ...

We are at a point in history where we will have to take control , and build the future , what is your contribution belittling your colleges or be the big innovator , you imagine being . You have been at this too long you failed .

No one is bettered by listening to you , that is all , so how do you like it !

That is it go complain to Stefan ...   

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #506 on: July 30, 2010, 01:10:53 PM »
MK1

sorry, I dont get it. Motion, static?? What are you talking about?

100V are really not a high voltage but 1kV is a high voltage.

In the past I made the ECD and only a few people have rebuilded it. I posted a docu where I re3searched the particles, nobody reacted. I made a video about a special oscillator, nothing.

Yes, I know what people want: a finnished TPU and so they will only ask for the price and dont have to  waste their time and money for a device that is only low power as you said.

Yes, Im under a heavy stress because I still, like 3 and more years ago, I see only a lot of bla, bla and no test results, no drawings....I see only a lot of speculations, guesses and Im asking myself why I should jump out with something usefull when others are only wasting their time here.

The final question is: do we really "deserve" such a device like a TPU???

Thats all from me because Im from Monday on a nice vacation working on my TPUs.

Otto

Static means motion less , motion means moving .

You see the coil is moving in a field each time you send a pulse in the coil .

pulse coil = movement  . The movement induces current back in the coil .

It works like a speaker , that you would try to make a transformer with .

A loudspeaker you know ... coil in a magnetic field reacting by moving up and down to the signal of the amp ...

Same here 2 coil air core , 555 or JT for simpler construction .
Put a magnet near the coils and one in the middle .

The coil will move to the pulse , you could stick extra coils to generate from the movement , this only for generating higher voltages starting at 1.5 volts.

You keep the radiant spike and mix it with dc current but inside a magnetic core , they are not electrically connected . that is the magamp part .

I got some plans for 2 or 3 stages magamp ...



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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #507 on: July 30, 2010, 06:40:14 PM »
wattsup,  Thank you for all your contributions here.  What you have stated in your post is your reality.  If this was a court room and it was being presented as evidence I do believe a good lawyer could tear your evidence to shreds.  I'm sorry I don't have the time to explain why I think many points are not correct or that some incorrect assumptions have been made as well as some wrong conclusions.  I'd rather spend my time building.  And in my reality the TPU is still a potential high power source.  Just one or two points I will mention as an example of incorrect conclusions.  One regarding the outlets.  I've got a few outlets in my house where the lower outlet of the two is a real problem to get a plug into.  Something inside is probably bent.  That's just one reason I can think of he may have gone for the other outlet and I've experienced this in a number of outlets over the years.  I've even had some where the little bridge inside is broken that feeds power to the second outlet so one may have even been without power.  Another assumption on the voltage needing to be lower as a second bulb was added.  I've seen negative (cold) electricity demonstrated in person.  I even helped set it up.  Added more load and the voltage goes up.  I shorted a wire across a light bulb and instead of it getting dimmer or going out it got brighter.  So the assumption that voltage would go down does not apply in that case.  And neither would it apply if he had a voltage regulation circuit which would hold the voltage under increased load.   There are a lot of assumptions and while I have no way of proving you are incorrect I don't believe you have enough evidence to prove you are correct without having SM's TPU and circuit in your lab.  That is my reality.  Yours may be different and that's okay.  At some point I hope to prove my reality is valid.  But that does not mean yours in invalid.   Cheers 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #508 on: July 30, 2010, 06:45:44 PM »
MK1

sorry, I dont get it. Motion, static?? What are you talking about?

100V are really not a high voltage but 1kV is a high voltage.

In the past I made the ECD and only a few people have rebuilded it. I posted a docu where I re3searched the particles, nobody reacted. I made a video about a special oscillator, nothing.

Yes, I know what people want: a finnished TPU and so they will only ask for the price and dont have to  waste their time and money for a device that is only low power as you said.

Yes, Im under a heavy stress because I still, like 3 and more years ago, I see only a lot of bla, bla and no test results, no drawings....I see only a lot of speculations, guesses and Im asking myself why I should jump out with something usefull when others are only wasting their time here.

The final question is: do we really "deserve" such a device like a TPU???

Thats all from me because Im from Monday on a nice vacation working on my TPUs.

Otto

Otto,  I understand what you mean but in most cases people do not have unlimited funds or time to build experiments.  So most people want to know as much as possible about a circuit or concept before putting the money and effort into it.  Other people though just like to tinker regardless of the outcome.  I'm sure many people feel like they are just playing the slot machines in Las Vegas when it comes to building circuits.  You pour money in, pull the lever and you just might have a winner.  Or you've just thrown away another wad of cash.  So if we talk and share here enough to be fairly certain we'll see four sevens there will be a lot more building going on ;)

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #509 on: July 30, 2010, 07:36:21 PM »
@ WattsUp,  Sorry, but I honestly thought you were a lot smarter than that.  How about explaining:


1.  When SM handed the TPU to the elderly man, the man said NOISE & VIBRATION.  How do you explain that?

2.   Why did SM say “These things have GYROSCOPIC ACTION” when he took the TPU back.

3.  What about the shuttering WASH BOARD effect when the numerous WITNESSES slid the 17” TPU back & forth on the table?  Were these guys just “faking it”, & in on the plot too?

4.  How do you explain SM lighting up TEN 100 Watt light bulbs IN SERIES, in front of that group & then CUTTING the TPU apart to show NO BATTERIES?  How did he fake that one?

5.  Were the Cal Tech (California Technological University) in on the “plot & cover up too”?  The professors wrote SEVERAL MARVELOUS REPORTS about SM’s POWERFUL TPUs.  Were these electrical & physics engineering PROFESSORS stupid and were “hoodwinked” too?  LOL

6.  What about SM striking that BIG flaming arc using his 17” TPU.  Was that faked with a couple of 9V batteries too?

7.  What about the Cal Tech Professors doing EXHAUSTIVE TESTS & REPORTED that SM demonstrated the TPU POWER by blowing OUT a HEAVY DUTY 50 AMP CARTRIDGE FUSE?  Was that faked too with a few 9V batteries?  ROFL.

8.  Why did UEC Corporation buy out SM’s TPU inventions, & give SM a LIFETIME PENSION  if they were all fakes?

9.  And finally, what about the FBI seizing all of SM’s TPUs & threatening to send him to PRISON for communicating TPU information on the Web.  Was all of that about FAKE TPUs?

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Excerpt of the Cal Tech Professor’s Report:


The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72” across with an inside diameter hole of 3” making a core width approximately 1” thick.  The unit was exactly 2” tall, resembling a toroid. I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.

Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the
voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*

The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15” at the outside and 13” inside with a core thickness of approximately 1”.  The unit was 4” tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).

I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, “no way.” He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.

With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.

The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS).

The inventor’s claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question. The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up. I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.

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