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Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"  (Read 1060867 times)

gn0stik

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #405 on: June 30, 2006, 03:07:59 AM »
Again: Steven is telling us in the video, that HE IS USING  BAILING (IRON) WIRE,
so don?t confuse other people by telling, he is not using it, please !


Who the heck are you talking to? Nobody is saying that he's not as far as I can tell, but if people want to theorize, let them. Steven simply said he used bailing wire on his FIRST PROTOTYPE. That's all. He hasn't said one way or the other whether it's a required component or not. So there's room to theorize. But if other people want to wind some coils and test other theories... .That's thier business.

In case you didn't notice that quote from liberty is from a while ago.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #406 on: June 30, 2006, 04:36:40 AM »

Remember that conductivity and resisitivity are inverses of eachother, so: coductivity = (1 / resistivity)
So, here is the equation for calculating the relaxation times...
T = ( (8.854x10^-12) / (conductivity of said metal) ),(T is the relaxation time in seconds)
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REMEMBER that for a KICK GENERATING WIRE we want it to have the LONGEST RELAXATION TIME. So "Times slower than Copper's relaxation time" refers to how many times longer a given metal's relaxation time is then Copper.


Logically I think the following is true ?

1. It would follow that we need to get maximum voltage on the kick generating wire within the relaxation time ? If peak volts is 20,000V but we only get to 2000V before the relaxation time expires then this reduces the kick effect ?

2. If therefore follows that we need very high rise times when applying the high voltage ?

3. If we can't get high rise times we need even higher voltage to compensate ?

4. Even with iron/steel we're looking relaxation of 10 exp -17 and rise times of this small magnitude ?

5. Can semiconductors even switch on at this speed ?

6. Alternatives to semiconductor are:

6a. Physical commutator action should give an almost instant rise time ?
6b. Capacitor dumping over spark-gap gives almost instant rise time ?
6c. Electron tubes, thyratrons and the like. This would explain why Steven Mark said he had his first break through when using electron tubes.



« Last Edit: June 30, 2006, 05:03:53 AM by bob.diroto »

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« Reply #407 on: June 30, 2006, 05:33:40 AM »
You are dead right bob. Some other things to consider follow.

Thermal properties and area of conductor are also factors in figuring out resisivity and conductivity.

For example the conductivity of a 25 awg iron wire at 25 degrees c is lower than at say 22 degrees.
in other words a specific diameter wire has better conductivity at lower a temperature.
Hence superconductors needing to be frozen. (I wonder what a superconductor's relaxation time is)

Likewise the conductivity of a 22awg wire at 22 degrees celcius is higher than a 25awg wire at that temperature.
in other words a thicker diameter wire has better conductivity at a given temperature.

I assume all of those measurements in the excel file were taken with a given area (length and gauge) and at a given temperature.

Also, the stainless steel wire will have a different gauging system, the steel industry uses mwg (musical wire gauge) instead of awg.

There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.

Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.


On the other hand it would seem that a fast rise time is necceary for switching and electronic components unless we go old school so you might want low resistivity, and high conductance with a long relax time. In this case you have high inductance in the adjacent coils. And less electrons jumping to the larger wire.

Of particular interest for this scenario in looking at these charts was stainless 330, and iron ingot. As well as the FeNi alloy.
Very low resistance, high conductivity(fast rise time), and LONG relaxation time. These would seem to be ideal for the purpose to me for this scenario. Perhaps too much so. It might get hot too fast.
But then again, the hotter it gets the lower it's conductivity, and higher it's resistance, so it might be that we can find an alloy that reaches a balance once it's warmed up.

One choice creates more inductance and less "jumping ship" and the other creates more "jumping ship" and less inductance. The question is, are they the direct inverse of the other. And which one serves our purpose better.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2006, 05:52:12 AM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #408 on: June 30, 2006, 06:29:36 AM »
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There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.

Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.

My understanding is that conductance is reciprocal to resistance and that relaxation time is inversely proportional to conductance. Therefore I don't think it's possible to have high conductance and long relaxation times as higher conductance would mean shorter relaxation times.



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« Reply #409 on: June 30, 2006, 06:59:11 AM »
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On the other hand it would seem that a fast rise time is necceary for switching and electronic components unless we go old school so you might want low resistivity, and high conductance with a long relax time. In this case you have high inductance in the adjacent coils. And less electrons jumping to the larger wire.

My thinking was that a high rise time is necessary in order to get the potential (volts) as high as possible on to the wire, before the wire actually started conducting. The relaxation time being the time between the start of applying the potential and electrons creating a current.

It would be nice to know if the transition is abrupt or whether the appearance of current in the circuit also has a rise time after the relaxation time is up. It could be the case that we have substantially longer than the relaxation time in order to get the full potential applied across the circuit.

A fast (nano second) rise time is not a prerequisite for switching and electronic components. In electronic circuits a fast rise time is nice if you are triggering off the leading edge but not essential. The rise time just has to be proportional to the rate at which you need to process the information.

However, thinking about this, the voltage rise time quoted for semiconductor switches might be a function of the initial current flow through the semiconductor (I'm not talking about the triggering voltage/current here) and that the 'potential' actually appears on the wire much faster ? Or is this total crap ?!!

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gn0stik

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #410 on: June 30, 2006, 07:10:05 AM »
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There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.

Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.

My understanding is that conductance is reciprocal to resistance and that relaxation time is inversely proportional to conductance. Therefore I don't think it's possible to have high conductance and long relaxation times as higher conductance would mean shorter relaxation times.




Uhh, yep, your right. Heh. I got the E -n wrong on the chart.  My bad. However you quoted the wrong scenario. You should have quoted the low resistance high conductivity scenario.

I was kind of leaning toward the first scenario anyway, as a soft iron wire with higher resistance and longer relax time would would serve a trifecta of purposes. First of all by defenition soft iron wire distorts local standing magnetic lines of flux. With the control wires being made of soft iron(baling) wire, the earths magnetic lines of flux would be pulled into the coils by the control wire, this effect would be small, but it would be there. Perhaps enough for the tuned coils to act on them better. Second, The resistance would cause the electrons to jump ship due to the microscopic imperfections in it's surface, this only happens more and more as it heats up. Thirdly the resistance would also hinder back emf, and cause those electrons to jump the wire as well, as the current stops. And of course theres the magnetic component of the electricity that would cause inductance in adjacent coils.

Quote from: tao
Steven said that it should be the other way around and hence, this statement:
So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable(collector wires) around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings(control wires). Now, if Steven put into those many many windings(control wires, which are around the stout cable) a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from these many many windings(control wires), this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit the stout cable(collector wires). Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.

Ok so are you saying the stout cable is the toroidally wound multistrand wire bundled together? and around that there are the many many control wires(soft iron wire, or the goldish colored wire in your bryce diagram), because this is pretty much how SM described it, in my understanding,  Or the other way around? I'm pretty sure I understand you correctly. In fact I'm pretty sure we have the arrangement nailed.

We still have a lot to figure out though. Kicks, frequencies, control circuits. I think ZPE had a pretty good thing going with that circuit he posted, and Bill Beaty's stuff is interesting too. But it's just a sign of how far we have yet to go.

This could cost a small fortune in wire alone.  :)

« Last Edit: June 30, 2006, 07:59:46 AM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #411 on: June 30, 2006, 08:46:37 AM »
Tao and all,

I want to check my understanding of what tao has just said concerning Tesla stuff.
So summarising in my own words:

The spark gap allowed the voltage to rise in the supplying capacitor. Only when it had risen to a certain level would a spark jump the spark gap. In this case the spark gap acts as a way of creating an almost instantaneous rise time of voltage in the wire to which the spark gap jumped to ? And that tesla then wanted to blow out this spark gap before the current had a chance to run to the end of the primary ? Therefore preventing current reversals and therefore leading to the effect of kicks, radiant energy etc.

Votes please for Steven Mark TPU:

Iron wire should be:
1. Insulated ?
2. No insulation ?

Iron wire coil (not collector) should be:
A. Closely wound turns that don't quite touch.
B. Very closely wound turns because using insulation.
C. Widely spaced turns.

Length of wire used in the coil should be:
X. Doesn't matter.
Y. As short as possible.
Z. As long as possible.

My vote is for 1 and B and Z which would allow for the most compact coil OR if no insulation is a requirement for transfer of the kick energy then I vote for 2 and C and Z.

I'm assumimg 'Z' in both cases based on Tao's observations on Bedini's devices.

If the iron wire is magnetically saturated does anyone know if this increases the relaxation time ?

Can a magnetic field be directed down the end of a iron wire (as per liberty wave guide idea) ? e.g. If I place North of a permanent magnet against the end of an iron wire does this propagate a north field all the way down the wire, even if the wire is coiled ? I guess I'm going to have to try this one out. A coil of magnetic field, an interesting concept. I wonder how this would interact with a high potential applied to the same coil.

What if we used fine iron filings in a tube, as part of the kick circuit ? This would have an increase in resistance but would it be useful ?





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« Reply #412 on: June 30, 2006, 09:07:03 AM »
Just had another idea on switching potential to a wire.

Take a long length of insulated iron wire. Have two high speed mosfets (SCRs) attached to each end of the iron wire. At the same time as switching one mosfet on you switch the other mosfet so as to disconnect the ground.

You are therefore utilising the small intrinsic differences in switch times to get a very,very small pulse width which would be much, much faster than trying to turn one mosfet on and off with the other end of the iron wire tied to ground.

I don't know whether mosfets will take this sort of abuse though.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2006, 09:45:52 AM by bob.diroto »

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« Reply #413 on: June 30, 2006, 09:54:21 AM »
There is also mumetal wires available.Mumetal consists of 80% Ni  and 20% Fe,usually available as uninsulated.
Interesting property with mumetal is it`s very high permeability, up to 325.000

http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html

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« Reply #414 on: June 30, 2006, 10:42:08 AM »
This is a slight variation on the previous theme.

Same long pice of iron wire, again with mosfets (scr) one on each end. This time both mosfets are normally tied to ground. You use the same signal to turn both mosfets (scrs) on at the same time feeding the high voltage to both sides of the iron wire at the same time. The slight difference in turn on time, and the difference in turn on time could be in the order of  few pico seconds, would mean one end goes to high volts potential slightly before the other.

The nice thing about this is that you don't have to know which mosfet switches faster, as long as there is a small difference, it should work. This setup also has the nice feature that you get a pico second pulse as you switch both mosfets on AND when you switch both mosfets off.

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« Reply #415 on: June 30, 2006, 10:50:52 AM »

I found this Peter Lindemann video on video.google.com and cut out this VERY IMPORTANT clip which explains everything needed to generate the KICKS. Just like my last post says about Tesla, Gray, and Bedini.

WATCH THE CLIP!!!


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Excellent!! It definately is a MUST WATCH.

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« Reply #416 on: June 30, 2006, 12:13:42 PM »
I have made some corrections to my excel table.If you use a wire that has a very high permittivity, say with mumetal wire permittivity is max 350.000 ,this means that if you have a frequency of 6 kHz, the wavelenght in a medium is 8,44 cm , and if the coil circumference is 8,07 cm, there are 3.0 waves around the circumference,if the wire lenght is 1000 cm.
I will send a new version of my Excel table ( bifilar coil ) today to my web-site.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/


Esa
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« Reply #417 on: June 30, 2006, 04:11:47 PM »

I found this Peter Lindemann video on video.google.com and cut out this VERY IMPORTANT clip which explains everything needed to generate the KICKS. Just like my last post says about Tesla, Gray, and Bedini.

WATCH THE CLIP!!!


:)
Excellent!! It definately is a MUST WATCH.

Where do we get that book! It's gone from amazon, not available. :(

Ken Adachi is selling them at educate-yourself.org, but the page is old, who knows if he still has them.
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« Reply #418 on: July 01, 2006, 07:31:47 AM »
Pay close attention to the details of the experiments Tesla did with the spark-gap. 

That's why I suggested (a few pages back) that bob.d try to disrupt the discharge on his ignition coil / spark plug set-up and place a coil over it and see if he sees the same effect Tesla saw...

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« Reply #419 on: July 01, 2006, 06:20:05 PM »
Pay close attention to the details of the experiments Tesla did with the spark-gap. 

That's why I suggested (a few pages back) that bob.d try to disrupt the discharge on his ignition coil / spark plug set-up and place a coil over it and see if he sees the same effect Tesla saw...

Well, if the caps discharge instantaneously over a sparkgap on a large enough piece of wire that would explain why the charge jumps the wire, because it wouldn't have enough time to get to the end of the wire. However I'm unclear as to how to force a cap to do that. Do you simply charge the cap to a high enough potential to be able to jump the gap, At which point it dumps enough of it's energy to create a bunching effect in the control wire, which then dumps the bunched electrons at right angles into the coils?

By the way can anyone make out the number of the second patent in that video? The first one is US4595975, which I have attached.
Also attached is the circuit in the first of the two gray patents discussed in the video.

I have not attached the second picture in the patent as I don't think that SM's device uses a conversion element like gray's. I think the arrangement of the coils does that. I think that both devices perform similarly, however one is defenitely putting out conventional electricity, whereas the other is obviously not(gray's), as noted by the fact that you can place your hand in water with a powered device without being shocked with gray's device, and SM clearly states that you could have your heart stopped with his. 

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