Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark" (Read 1235812 times)

HMM · « **Reply #360 on:** June 26, 2006, 11:37:06 AM »

Hello I have some questions for the group

Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?

I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.

Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?

Thank you
Mike

hartiberlin · « **Reply #361 on:** June 26, 2006, 02:52:49 PM »

Quote from: HMM on June 25, 2006, 11:42:42 PM

Who is performing the experiment in this picture?

It is from George Woynar?s group, who are also trying to replicate the
Methernitha Testatika.

gn0stik · « **Reply #362 on:** June 26, 2006, 04:16:14 PM »

Quote from: HMM on June 26, 2006, 11:37:06 AM

Hello I have some questions for the group

Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?

I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.

Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?

Thank you
Mike

Where did you see this video? I've been unable to find it. Stefan used to have it in the old harti.com/coil site, but it's not moved over here yet.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #363 on:** June 26, 2006, 05:36:12 PM »

Here are still a few more videos:
http://ntint.ntinternals.net/

gyulasun · « **Reply #364 on:** June 26, 2006, 05:45:14 PM »

Quote from: rensseak on June 26, 2006, 10:15:21 AM

Quote from: bob.diroto on June 26, 2006, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: Mannix on June 26, 2006, 08:35:20 AM
Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!

Lindsay

I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.

I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.

You use a lighter and hold the wire in a wet towel so that only the end is burned. After burning that you clean the ends with alcohol and a cotton-wool tip.

perhaps it is also possible to remove the lacquer with acetone!?

Hi,

Though it was a long time ago I did the following to clean the end(s) of Litz wire:

-Use a lighter and burn the end of the Litz till the textil is burnt and the wires get red hot (a few seconds)

-While red hot, suddenly put/dip it into spirits (denatured alcohol) you provided in advance in a very small dish near to you (if you have no denatured alcohol I think normal +90% alcohol will do) Be very careful not to light the alcohol in the small dish!

-Now use (multicore) solder wire (which includes resin) and the tiny wire ends should get nicely tinned by using your normal soldering iron.

rgds
Gyula

gn0stik · « **Reply #365 on:** June 27, 2006, 12:21:52 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 26, 2006, 05:36:12 PM

Here are still a few more videos:
http://ntint.ntinternals.net/

Thanks Stefan. Much appreciated. Is that your site as well?

bob.diroto · « **Reply #366 on:** June 27, 2006, 09:39:27 AM »

Quote from: gn0stik on June 26, 2006, 04:16:14 PM

Quote from: HMM on June 26, 2006, 11:37:06 AM
Hello I have some questions for the group

Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?

I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.

Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?

Thank you
Mike

Where did you see this video? I've been unable to find it. Stefan used to have it in the old harti.com/coil site, but it's not moved over here yet.

I've looked at all the videos on 'ntinternals' but non are clear enough (on my computer) to be able to say:
"You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly."

I'm fairly sure this is a video I haven't yet seen, do you have a name for the file ?

As for the baling wire. This is either wrapped closely together to form a kick collector 'tube' (see an earlier post of mine) and would form part of the circuit OR forms an actual coil in which case the coil would not be tightly wrapped other wise the contact of the uninsulated baling wire to the next turn would ineffect short the coil. I don't think the baling wire would be a core because SM has stated the cores are not made of metal.

HOWEVER, different orientation of coil means that it may be possible for one coil to in effect become the core for anothe coil, so in this respect the baling wire could become a core but only if it were a coil as well.

Cheers. Bob

HMM · « **Reply #367 on:** June 27, 2006, 10:38:31 AM »

Thanks Bob
I will read your post
I am still trying to get a grasp on the coil arrangements.

the vid is called energycoils_full_divx_gsm_audio
I forgot were I got it from

I have it saved on disk though, if you want it

I'm not shure if it is the same one you saw allready

what is the name of the file you saw?

gn0stik · « **Reply #368 on:** June 27, 2006, 04:38:28 PM »

Why would Steven give us hardware diagrams if he doesn't know how it works?

Seriously, He's made several of these, and he's guiding us down the road of discovery, on the principles of discovery that led him to make them. The only hints we have to go on, have come from him, and here we are all working our asses off trying to decypher his notes to us, and we don't think he knows how it works? You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology. If that were the case he'd be teaching in the public school system, with all the rest of the ignorant teachers. Let's not go down that road again.

I for one think he's probably the only one (outside UEC) that does know how it works.

As for the camera anomaly. That is interesting, remember however that this was done in the late 80's with magnetic tape media. It could have been stored badly, or is just aged at the time of conversion to digital. It's hard to say if that is caused by device, but it does look like RF interference as I have seen it in the past.

Regards,
Gn0stik.

gn0stik · « **Reply #369 on:** June 27, 2006, 04:41:40 PM »

Quote from: Kosh on June 27, 2006, 04:24:50 PM

Quote from: z_p_e on June 27, 2006, 02:37:34 PM
After watching all the videos, it seems evident that there may be 2 or 3 different versions of the device. I am not talking about size and power output, but physical configuration of the coils.

Remember Steven said to forget coils and just think about wires and kicks. Maybe the physical configuration isn't so important.

Quote from: z_p_e on June 27, 2006, 02:37:34 PM
Also note that at one point SM states that the device vibrates slightly at a frequency of 7.3 Hz. Then at another point, he states that it vibrates at a frequency of 5 kHz.

And the measurement equipment was? His hand? 7.3Hz measured by hand? Wow!

I'm sure he measured it with other equipment prior to this taping, to know the frequency.

Also, perhaps your right about the arrangement. But then he also states that it's important to know about the interaction between coils, I don't think arrangement is totally unimportant either..

Regards.

Jdo300 · « **Reply #370 on:** June 27, 2006, 06:00:25 PM »

Quote from: z_p_e on June 27, 2006, 02:37:34 PM

I believe there may be some ferromagnetic material inside the device, otherwise his little magnet would not stick to the side of the coils. He can be seen doing this on the coil he eventually cuts open. It appears at least that the magnet sticks. I could be wrong however.

Hi Darren,

I never saw him place a magnet on the device in that video, but assuming that you are right about it sticking to the coils, that would make sense if he is using ferromagnetic iron wire for the collector coils.

God Bless,
Jason O

Liberty · « **Reply #371 on:** June 27, 2006, 06:24:31 PM »

Quote from: gn0stik on June 27, 2006, 04:38:28 PM

Why would Steven give us hardware diagrams if he doesn't know how it works?

Seriously, He's made several of these, and he's guiding us down the road of discovery, on the principles of discovery that led him to make them. The only hints we have to go on, have come from him, and here we are all working our asses off trying to decypher his notes to us, and we don't think he knows how it works? You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology. If that were the case he'd be teaching in the public school system, with all the rest of the ignorant teachers. Let's not go down that road again.

I for one think he's probably the only one (outside UEC) that does know how it works.

As for the camera anomaly. That is interesting, remember however that this was done in the late 80's with magnetic tape media. It could have been stored badly, or is just aged at the time of conversion to digital. It's hard to say if that is caused by device, but it does look like RF interference as I have seen it in the past.

Regards,
Gn0stik.

Quote from Gn0stic: "You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology."

I agree with you Gn0stic.

Or another possiblity is that he is somewhat aware of how it works, but wants to protect his device and is leading everyone to a technical 'close miss' so it sounds on track but is really a wild goose chase filled with mysteries that will never end (like the 'kicks'). The end result is dead ends and wasted time and everyone gives up resulting in a protected device that nobody can recreate, while admiring the inventor because he was able to do the impossible that no one else can seem to understand. Already there are contradictions in the recent notes and what is said on the early videos... As someone already said that the notes say forget the coils, and the video says: no circuitry, no battery, just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other, the coils are very important...

I think that the early videos hold the most promise, especially the tips that Steven tells us in the videos. (Almost daring you to figure out the puzzle). Steven was not near as careful in hiding the device secrets in the early videos as he was in later devices that are all taped up, centering up on performance and size of the device, rather than technical aspects of the internals of the device. Steven doesn't act like he was the original inventor (in my opinion), but more like someone who ran across a method from someone else (perhaps the patent on the aerial generator?), on how to make a conversion device using iron wire with magnets and the earth's magnetic field, which was not well known to anyone. I think that Steven used this type of knowledge and combined it with his knowledge of transformers to come up with his 'TPU'. I believe that all of the devices are based on the same method, and the device is really very simple and less complicated than we are being led to believe. But that is just my opinion.

gn0stik · « **Reply #372 on:** June 28, 2006, 12:05:15 AM »

Yeah, your right Tao, we seem to have gotten ahead of ourselves again. We need to be measuring kicks. Has anyone had any luck yet?

bob.diroto · « **Reply #373 on:** June 28, 2006, 05:41:10 AM »

Quote from: z_p_e on June 27, 2006, 02:37:34 PM

I believe there may be some ferromagnetic material inside the device, otherwise his little magnet would not stick to the side of the coils. He can be seen doing this on the coil he eventually cuts open. It appears at least that the magnet sticks. I could be wrong however.

I'm not bothering to try and get a non battery version going. I don't think it can be done without knowing the exact frequencies. SM obviously had access to an FFT scope (spectrum analyser). I'm seriously thinking of getting a oscilloscope board for my PC which has an FFT facility included. The main issue being I don't want to fry my PC.

Don't know about anybody else but with 500V pulses going into my coils any neo magnets within 3 inches of my coils start to flip around, as would be expected.

I believe the vertical control coils (kick tubes) are made of iron wire onto which the neo magnet sticks.

bob.diroto · « **Reply #374 on:** June 28, 2006, 06:04:22 AM »

Quote from: tao on June 28, 2006, 04:17:25 AM

See tao's diagram in this link

I believe the coil tao has marked "Control Wiring Vertically Wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils" are made of uninsulated iron wire, to form a kick collector tube. As per Tesla who said metal objects of different sizes collected radiant energy dependant on their shape, and mass related to the mass of the disruptive discharge circuit. Therefore I'm guessing this tube needs to be an as yet unknown, specific diameter and height in order to collect the radiant kick energy.

I haven't as yet been able to 'collect' any form of kick energy on an iron tube which surrounds a wire which has rapid pulses applied to it...Anyone else had any luck in observing a measurable voltage, or current spike, on applying a high voltage pulse across a wire ?

The iron tube sings to whatever frequency of pulses you put into the horizontal coil. But this is just a magnetic field effect, as the tube is physically vibrated in the magnetic field of the horizontal coil, and is to be totally expected.

I was thinking maybe the physical vibration of the iron coil interacted with the permanent magnet which was placed on the side of the iron coil, would also be physically vibrating, thereby creating some vibrating permanent magnet effect.

e.g. The iron coil physically vibrates, causing the permanent magnet to vibrate, which induces further current into coil, causing more vibrations etc. etc. Which when linked to frequency of magnetism the alledged 174.9kHz would cause some unexpected energy to appear.

What are your thoughts on this theory ?

Mannix do you have anymore unpublished info. from Steven Mark ?

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