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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7680 on: January 20, 2017, 01:49:13 PM »
You want the magnetic field to slow down thats the reason for the thin core.

Hmmm. 

If anything, if the core slows down the field build or collapse, then the core must be conductive and eddys are the cause of the slow down.  If the core slows down the field, then that slow field will induce the windings slow resulting in less voltage and less current because some of the power that the field was built with gets lost in the core. If anything you would want a core that does its thing as fast as possible and not be a cause of losses.

Me thinks ???

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7681 on: January 20, 2017, 02:12:14 PM »
Could be Mags
I was thinking the electric field would collapes if the field slowed, but not reversed.
Like i said i have not built it, its just theory.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7682 on: January 20, 2017, 03:03:18 PM »
Magnetic amplifier
Jack said this was old tech that SM was not the inventor

Dave45

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7683 on: January 20, 2017, 03:33:18 PM »
I dont want help, ill build it when im ready.
What is your problem,
Never mind i don't want to know nor do i care.


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7684 on: January 20, 2017, 04:00:11 PM »
Its just an idea

Dave45

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7685 on: January 20, 2017, 05:04:56 PM »
It probably wont work anyway, none of my ideas have yet.
And even if it does if i can figure it out anyone can.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7686 on: January 20, 2017, 11:43:19 PM »
Dave45
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Its just an idea

I like that  ;D ;D ;D

I wish to have such kind of idea and excellent explanation that I couldn't copy before dele...... :'( :'( :'(

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7687 on: January 21, 2017, 01:10:45 PM »
Disruptive Technologies
Iv been thinking we search for free energy but what would really be the repercussions if it were found, the whole monetary system would crash.


If it had been found early in Tesla's day it probably wouldn't have been as disruptive. We are making the transition via solar an wind and it needs to be a slow transition.
I first started this search because i wanted to help the poor people in third world countries pump water to grow crops but i have been playing with solar panels for the last year and they will do the job without batteries, they only pump during the day but the water can be stored in tanks, the tank acts like a battery of sorts.
I wished we lived in a perfect world but we cannot change history, if Tesla had found free energy he should have released it then before the whole world became dependant on oil.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7688 on: January 21, 2017, 03:12:38 PM »
Dave45,


How does the patent demonstrate energy amplification?  How does the patent demonstrate work amplification?  You may want these things using a different mechanism.  I want them exactly the way they were developed and presented by Nikola Tesla.


Patent 568177 is just the beginning.....the idiots guide for lack of a better name.


When you comprehend the message, you will better understand Robert Alexander was suggesting.  Please do refer to replication attempts by those who think they know!
Sent you a pm

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7689 on: January 21, 2017, 03:21:24 PM »
Im goin to stick to my solar panels, iv been thinking alot about this lately and they will do what i want.
Be careful folks i'll be here but i think im going to keep my opinions to myself.

Dave45

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7690 on: January 21, 2017, 03:57:15 PM »
Wow looks like Robert Alexander figured it out, very interesting.
Maybe some of the motogens do work.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7691 on: January 21, 2017, 04:13:25 PM »
@Dave45

You really need to practice your image resampling skills. The images are too big and the simplicity of the image does not warrant such big images on thread pages because this sends posted text way off the normal screen size. Images should never be more then 640 pixels wide.

@sm0ky2

Great post, thanks.

About the commutator, you see, the best components are not for our hands or eyes or brains. But at least it is good to know since I did indicate it would be a good R&D tool. Would save a bundle on burnt contacts.

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Your comments on the Batteries, I do not fully understand
What you are saying. I get the premise, true batteries will only charge at their max rate
And anything else you try to stick in will just circle past and be lost.

Yes, and the general rule is 20% of the amp rating. So if you have a 10 amp battery, pulling 4 amps from it will only mean eventually the battery will die regardless of your ability to recharge because the battery itself has limits. Now you may look at the battery in amp, amp hours, mAh or however, it does not change the 20% limit of recharge.

On a second point, we have seen devices that do reactive power recharge of the battery when consuming more then that 20% and we miraculously see the voltage rise back to the original level and we are all amazed at this. But what we soon realize is even if the battery is showing a recharge to 12vdc, that actual usable amp hours is no longer available. At 6 cells, each cell gets its 2v and totals to 12v.

So as a load test you take your normal charged 12vdc battery and hook up any load then see how long it takes to fall down to 10.5 volts (never lower). You then take that battery and recharge via your reactive power output and quickly see the voltage rise back to 12vdc. But when you do the same load test, it takes maybe 10% of the original time to fall back down to 10.5vdc. Why do you think that is? That one cause/effect is a total giveaway of how batteries actually charge, discharge. Why in our present acceptance of physics, should a damn electron care if a battery is charged by  slow trickle charge or a fast reactive charge? If electrons were REAL, they should not care and the influence and result should then be the same, but they are not. Big giveaway.

First the battery material or choice of atoms as per the Periodical table of elements. Certain materials have atoms with nuclei that possess a load, lock and release function. When you charge the battery it will load (or sway) and lock nuclei of the atomic material. When you connect a load you basically release the locks in cascade as per how thick or how many atoms are involved in the chain of copper atoms (wire) leading to the load. Yes our wire is basically a chain of copper atoms with very reactive nuclei. Reactive in the sense that the nuclei has the ability to pivot as per the potential applied. They pivot and convey that pivot down the line of the wire. Same happens in the battery material except that this material the nuclei can pivot and lock and then be released. The chemical addition helps in the locking.

Let's say each battery cell had plate material that was 10 inches deep by 4 inches wide. When you slow or trickle charge the battery, the atomic nuclei of those plates are being locked successively because the charger is also charging with 12vdc which is the required voltage to cross the 10 inch depth of each plate and the slow charge makes sure each site on the plates are loaded and locked. This is why a slow charged battery lasts.

When you use reactive high voltage as a recharge, you are basically whipping along the 10 inch depth and losing most of the "locking potential" because the voltage or speed of conveyance is just too fast for battery atoms. So you create these whipping marks going down the 10 inch depth of the plates and you quickly see 12vdc because voltage is how deep that conveyance is and amperage is simply how may atoms are involved. Just to say if you wanted to use high voltage reactive recharge you need the same voltage battery. So many many in series like the Newman motor and possibly like the SM TPUs. When you have the right voltage battery matched to the operating voltage you sidestep the  need of a step up transformer and eliminate the pitfalls of such usage.

You see, certain topologies work better at higher voltages. Hit an aluminum kite with 12000v and it fill want to fly away. Certain atoms convey, others nudge, enough to levitate like Hutchisson showed. The atoms we live with everyday have been undersold, neglected or ignored or hidden for their true attributes.

Tomorrow, if a scientist came forward and said "Men were always able to have children" (maybe a bad example but anyways), this would provide a new masculine attribute that would change the world. We were always men, like atoms were always atoms, but now with the realization that the atom has these special attributes that we never considered at a nucleic/mechanical/physical level, with this new perspective, it totally changes, eliminates, renders obsolete so many of our present constructs that have no relation to the actual working or not working of our toys. Our toys work yes, but they work regardless if we are correct about how they work or not.

Sorry for rambling on like this.

Look suffice to say that the battery choice should be the most defining factor of how you design your OU experiments when that experiment involves recharging that source battery back to its ORIGINAL power level. An experiment calls for 120 volts at 1 amp. Your battery is a 12vdc 10 amp. You pulse that 12vdc into a step up transformer to produce your required 120volts at 1 amp. We know the 12vdc battery will draw at least 10 amps. For the battery to recharge with any chance of success, it would have to be a 12vdc 50 amps rated battery. Anything less and you will always lose. But the simpler method is to put ten 12vdc batteries in series to make your 120vdc so you just cancelled the step-up transformer as well as the inherent losses of such usage that your OU device now has as an additional charge to overcome. Plus if you eliminate the stepup transformer because the battery is matched to the real operating voltage, you also cancel the need for stepping down the output voltage to then recharge that one battery. Then the trick remains that the OU device uses the proper voltage, provides the same proper recharge and this permit you to then only concentrate on working on ways to augment the output amperage that will then provide the OU in the system without modifying or adding anything for the output voltage to recharge the batteries. I think SM made his TPUs this way. Lot's of batteries in series but his circuitry then permits the batteries to last and last far longer then a regular battery could.

I am not saying this to regulate how guys do OU experiments. I'm only saying this so guys can look at their battery source as being more then a simple source but a defining factor in how the circuit will be run. What would you prefer? Spending all your time on fixing the step up and step down changes in your circuit that almost always want to blow  up at certain frequencies, or do you prefer spending the majority of your time working on the actual "energy amplification" stage?

@Erfinder

The cores we use ARE linear. Same thickness throughout and this is why we work on a 1:1 or any other ratio by the turns of wire used. Without knowing it, we have been confirming since the first core, that the lamination could play a pivotal part in coupling ratios. Imagine all the copper wire that could be saved with triangular core laminations. I cannot make such a lamination but if anyone had a press, they could probably press the lamination with a slight incline that would make one end thicker then the other. No one has ever done this yet so for me it is still a good out of the box idea but making into reality is not so easy. Maybe one day when I accumulate enough money I will look into it but right now, it's just a point of "logical" thought.

As for the question of physics and the conservation of energy, that concept should never have been brought forward without a main caveat stating "Based on what we know today". What I have been doing is basically saying "OK, so where and why do we know what we know today and where can we look to know other things in the future". This is where I started to grow out of the Standard EE base because after millions of OU checkmates from around the World, one eventually has to universally realize that maybe the concepts are faulty to begin with, and from there, the World started to open up in all directions. Our tools are second rate and this is why our concepts are second rate as well. If we called the electron "King Kong" and the field "Peter Pan", they would fall better into the level of reality of our concepts. We say "electron" and "field" and it sounds so official, so real, when in fact they are merely characters in a long drawn out fairy tale. Tesla also saw these as fairy tales and stuck with his cause/effect way of talking about his devices. He never espoused the words electron or field. He would be true to the effect and say "influence" because in reality that's all we could see is an influence being a cause, causing the effect. We were all just bamboozled by eager physicists to get their names into the history books more then the level of reality they brought to science. It is for us to decide when it is time to break out of the mold that our minds were set in from birth.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7692 on: January 21, 2017, 05:10:14 PM »
Maybe we.should be looking at different materials for our wire, what i mean is how would a gold electron differ as compared to a copper electron.
The widely accepted notion is that a magnet pulls the electron along in the wire so maybe material is the key, maybe even lead wire.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7693 on: January 21, 2017, 08:47:12 PM »
This is a slight tangent, it relates to the subject, hopefully we will get to it, eventually.  It's familiar territory to some. 


Acceleration under short........yeah yeah....been there done that....NO YOU HAVEN'T!


If you are up to it, invest a little time on your bench while taking a break from looking at that patent and thinking about how it teaches "energy amplification", grab your favorite pulse motor, go through your box of coils and select the one (that's right, one coil) with absolute lowest resistance and inductance.  Mount the coil next to the rotor of your pulse motor, allow the rotor to get to its maximum no load speed and no load consumption, jot down the frequency.  That's it...if you can, make a video, we can make a little contest out of this, the lowest resistance, inductance and frequency wins.  Consumption either drops or remains the same, it cannot increase.


Regards

Dear Erfinder.

Are we allowed to use a pickup coil to time our drive transistor ?

Kind regards, Graham.

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7694 on: January 22, 2017, 04:48:55 PM »
Been looking at some small dc to dc converters for a job Im working on. This lil transformer has a 1.5 turn winding that I found very cool. Anyway

Mags