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## Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: Tito L. Oracion on February 06, 2009, 07:45:08 AM

Title: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 06, 2009, 07:45:08 AM
Hi everyone 8)

Currently i am trying to amplify a small voltage into high voltage and its current from milliamps to amps now
Can somebody demonstrate amplify a 1.5 volts with its milliamps into high voltage and from milliamps to amps? ::)

Thank you. ;)

God bless
otits
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Mk1 on February 06, 2009, 08:56:56 AM
Check the jule thief tread mate! Welcome!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 07, 2009, 03:16:45 AM
Thank you

But i'm thinking something big 8)

otits
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 07, 2009, 03:59:51 AM
similar something like this.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Mk1 on February 07, 2009, 07:37:02 AM
Well, that plan looks exactly like a joule thief sorry you don't see that , i will try the your secondary connections a guess it should work, But then why ask the question if your not interested in the answer ? So far with a 1.5 battery we can make over 300 volts , maybe high voltage is more to you but , from a 1 inch core that's pretty good, plus you learn how your plan works for 0\$. Well good luck ! If you change your mind you are welcome to the jule thief tread. Btw the core for that plan is it a saturation core or not.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: allcanadian on February 07, 2009, 04:14:32 PM
@Tito
Quote
Currently i am trying to amplify a small voltage into high voltage and its current from milliamps to amps now
Can somebody demonstrate amplify a 1.5 volts with its milliamps into high voltage and from milliamps to amps?
What you are talking about are Watts, VA--- volt/amps or Watt/seconds, that is power moving over a given time frame. I would also think you would want to multiply power not amplify it, which would mean real power would need to enter your circuit from somewhere else adding to the energy already available.To understand how to generate excess power you need to understand every aspect of a circuit but more important what it is that is in the circuit. The circuit is a conduit for the motion of energy, this energy has qualities and properties related to it. My question has always been simple ----How can you build something you don't understand? How can you build a circuit utilizing electric and magnetic forces without first understanding what electricity and magnetism are in reality?. I think when you answer this question only then will you know how to build the device you desire. Think of it as the difference between having the ability to drive a car and having the ability to build one from scratch, LOL, they are definitely not  the same thing.
Regards
AC
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Bob Smith on February 07, 2009, 08:26:55 PM
Quote
I would also think you would want to multiply power not amplify it, which would mean real power would need to enter your circuit from somewhere else adding to the energy already available.To understand how to generate excess power you need to understand every aspect of a circuit but more important what it is that is in the circuit. The circuit is a conduit for the motion of energy, this energy has qualities and properties related to it. (AC)

AC, I agree.  The question then arises how to facilitate the entry/conversion of power from outside into the circuit.  It seems to me one or both of the following 2 things are required:

1.  Assymmetry
- whereby the circuit is not closed and the dipole is not destroyed,

2. Resonance
- which brings the frequency of oscillation in an inductor to a point where it not only multiplies its own input voltage at multiple harmonic levels, but becomes a kind of negative resistor or transducer of new ("outside") aetheric energy into electrical impulses.
(However, here the question arises: is this conventional "hot" electricity or "cold" electricity? [I would tend to think the latter]).

FWIW...
Any thoughts?
RS

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TheNOP on February 08, 2009, 03:53:38 AM
why always trying to tap the unknown with unknown ?

if you have a pulsed dc source, 1 volts/1 miliamp, let say 1 microsecond between pulse.
with proper conversion, you can get 2 volts/2 miliamps each 2 microsecond.
10 volts/10 miliamps each 10 microsecond.

is that OU ?
will it get you more energy ?
can you do more work with the later ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: jadaro2600 on February 08, 2009, 04:25:24 AM
why always trying to tap the unknown with unknown ?

if you have a pulsed dc source, 1 volts/1 miliamp, let say 1 microsecond between pulse.
with proper conversion, you can get 2 volts/2 miliamps each 2 microsecond.
10 volts/10 miliamps each 10 microsecond.

is that OU ?
will it get you more energy ?
can you do more work with the later ?

Apparently timer circuits use electricity regardless of whether or not they're in a pulse - after all, the capacitor has to charge.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 09, 2009, 03:16:53 AM
Hi everyone

Its hard for me to express what i want to say i'm not used to speak in english but if you know how to always make the potential energy nothing is imposible.

i will be busy in my experiments now i cannot always respond anymore, but dont worry i will make my visit here still and make an update.

manytimes i ask question just to know other designs that i already have.

i would like to thanks Giant killer, Jadaro2600, sparks, Paul Gauthier, and of course  Sir PESE for their good info.

some other time i will make my video and present my tpu and the energy amplifier. promise!

The solution is always at the front of our eyes we just overlook at it.

and to mr borge13 i'm off the popcorn now. lol ;D

God bless and Thank you very much. ;)
otits
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on February 09, 2009, 03:33:50 AM
Hi Tito

Glad to see your still with us...language does put us at a disadvantage but pictures and videos always speak volumes.

Look forward to hearing from you soon  :)

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 16, 2009, 11:40:41 AM
@TitoWhat you are talking about are Watts, VA--- volt/amps or Watt/seconds, that is power moving over a given time frame. I would also think you would want to multiply power not amplify it, which would mean real power would need to enter your circuit from somewhere else adding to the energy already available.To understand how to generate excess power you need to understand every aspect of a circuit but more important what it is that is in the circuit. The circuit is a conduit for the motion of energy, this energy has qualities and properties related to it. My question has always been simple ----How can you build something you don't understand? How can you build a circuit utilizing electric and magnetic forces without first understanding what electricity and magnetism are in reality?. I think when you answer this question only then will you know how to build the device you desire. Think of it as the difference between having the ability to drive a car and having the ability to build one from scratch, LOL, they are definitely not  the same thing.
Regards
AC

Hi AC

I think you really can't understand me for now cause i'm doing some unconventional thing and i have great advancement currently. my brother prohibit me to tell everything sorry, for safety reason. TPU is so very easy now if you know the unconventional technique, since tpu is made from uncomventional way why everybody don't study the wierd things? the answer is there!

I understand what you mean but you don't know what i mean. sorry  :(

Amplify power unconventionally is what i am is doing right now. and i have succeeded on that, im telling you the circuit is very easy.  8)

The conventional is, what is in is what is out and sometimes out is smaller than in and i'm tired of that. but there is a good news there is a circuit that can bring out bigger than in! julethief thread is near but not the perfect solution sorry.

THat's all for now, sometime i'll make a video of my developments.  :)

TESLA IS GREAT AND GENIOUS !!!  :o

God bless
Thank you

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 16, 2009, 11:52:01 AM

why always trying to tap the unknown with unknown ?

Hi nop

Simply i just want to know, cause i don't know ;D

I'm always excited exploring the unsaturated place  ;)

God bless
otits
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: jadaro2600 on March 16, 2009, 12:11:25 PM
Who is Floyd Sweet?

Any vacuum tubes have possibility of emitting X-rays, or worse depending on Voltages involved.

We live in a substantial-delicate range of safe electromagnetic signals..  there are stars that don't emit some of the stuff we use to cook with.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 18, 2009, 11:21:13 AM
Who is Floyd Sweet?

Any vacuum tubes have possibility of emitting X-rays, or worse depending on Voltages involved.

We live in a substantial-delicate range of safe electromagnetic signals..  there are stars that don't emit some of the stuff we use to cook with.

here is floyd sweet
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/FloydSweet/index.html

sorry sir  :(   :-X

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Room3327 on March 31, 2009, 04:48:17 AM
@Tito,
How 's your progress going with this, do you have anything you can share with us yet? I'm sure many here would like to know what you have found.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 01, 2009, 09:59:21 AM
@Tito,
How 's your progress going with this, do you have anything you can share with us yet? I'm sure many here would like to know what you have found.

@room

Yes i will sir, i'm not just satisfied with the power i am getting, i am currently workin on it, i am adding thorated tungsten in my spark gap, i will post them as i finished it.

I have success about the Tom bearden's degenerated conductor, i will post them soon.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gsmsslsb on August 26, 2009, 06:50:24 AM

I have success about the Tom bearden's degenerated conductor, i will post them soon.

Looking forward to info on beardens degenerate semiconductor :) :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on August 26, 2009, 05:58:20 PM

@room

Yes i will sir, i'm not just satisfied with the power i am getting, i am currently workin on it, i am adding thorated tungsten in my spark gap, i will post them as i finished it.

I have success about the Tom bearden's degenerated conductor, i will post them soon.

I hope really soon!  I am usually on the JT thread, you said we are close!  What does that mean?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on August 27, 2009, 02:11:30 PM
ok I have waited several hours, what do you have for us?  There are plenty of people here that may be able to help you find your solutions quickly...now!

;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 28, 2009, 02:06:40 AM
Hi everyone good day !!!  ;D

I have made it perfectly but the problem is my country does'nt want to support me about my discovery or what ever it may be to call.

so i am forced to hide it to everyone.

and from there i am just using my free energy to make money by selling ice or ice cubes and and laundry services. sorry everyone! you have to understand  :)

God bless
otits

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: allcanadian on August 28, 2009, 02:43:55 AM
@Tito L. Oracion
LOL, no offence but I hope you can understand the irony here. You say you have a technology that could save millions of lives every year but instead your going to make ice cubes and then you have the nerve to end your post with "god bless". If you believe there is a god know that he is going to send you straight to hell, there is no doubt of this.
AC
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 28, 2009, 05:02:55 AM
@Tito L. Oracion
LOL, no offence but I hope you can understand the irony here. You say you have a technology that could save millions of lives every year but instead your going to make ice cubes and then you have the nerve to end your post with "god bless". If you believe there is a god know that he is going to send you straight to hell, there is no doubt of this.
AC

hi ac

i understand that also what you mean, currently my situation is not good and i don't know whose to trust and i need to earn money for my three children, i believe God will understand me also.

sorry guys

A tip to all of you: study the real process or the real thing that is happening when charging many caps of at least 10K uf in high voltage dc and discharging it sequencially in a coil with secondary! the only secret here is how you connect the caps from battery and coil efficiently! thats it you have it.

offcourse you pulse it!

otits
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on August 28, 2009, 05:26:55 AM
Does anybody here have any liquid nitrogen readily available?

Jerry :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 28, 2009, 05:41:52 AM
Does anybody here have any liquid nitrogen readily available?

Jerry :)

hi jerry

your looking for a readily available liquid nitrogen, hmmm, actually i'm using fertilizer in my car!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on August 28, 2009, 05:52:10 AM
Hi Tito.

I have read up on trapping light, slowing down light, speeding up light using various gases like cold sodium atoms.

I was wanting to see if this could also be done using cryogenically cooled Sodium Silicated Crystals, clear and opaque types, I know Sodium Silicate is a good diffuser of LASER light.

Photon Amplification is another story.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 28, 2009, 05:53:04 AM
I hope really soon!  I am usually on the JT thread, you said we are close!  What does that mean?

jt thread is closed in the sense that the battery will last longer but very far because you can light only led, what we need is real big power, using only simple materials!  8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 28, 2009, 05:57:02 AM
Hi Tito.

I have read up on trapping light, slowing down light, speeding up light using various gases like cold sodium atoms.

I was wanting to see if this could also be done using cryogenically cooled Sodium Silicated Crystals, clear and opaque types, I know Sodium Silicate is a good diffuser of LASER light.

Photon Amplification is another story.

Jerry ;)

oic i thought you are experimenting about explosion amplifier  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: allcanadian on August 28, 2009, 06:08:09 AM
@Tito
Quote
i understand that also what you mean, currently my situation is not good and i don't know whose to trust and i need to earn money for my three children, i believe God will understand me also.
I understand as well, we do what we can when we can and that is the best we can do, I was being overly dramatic and a little rude as usual, LOL. Take your time and find the best path for you and your family. I hope all of this works out well for you, history has shown it seldom works out well for persons in this field of technology but the times they are changing, this technology is coming out everywhere and will not be hidden again.
AC
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 28, 2009, 06:14:15 AM
@TitoI understand as well, we do what we can when we can and that is the best we can do, I was being overly dramatic and a little rude as usual, LOL. Take your time and find the best path for you and your family. I hope all of this works out well for you, history has shown it seldom works out well for persons in this field of technology but the times they are changing, this technology is coming out everywhere and will not be hidden again.
AC

thank you for understanding.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on August 28, 2009, 06:23:25 AM
oic i thought you are experimenting about explosion amplifier  ;D

Hi Tito.

that's funny, no the idea is that photons and electrons go hand and hand, if a LASER amplifier medium is used the electrons pump out twice as many photons into greater amount of photo pressure, the idea is to trap this photo pressure in a photo amplifying medium. then by controlling the leakage of the photons one can leak a specific amount of stored light into a full band gap solar cell array for the production of power.

it's more complicated than what I just specified but it's a reasonable short explanation for starters.

cooled Sodium Gas Atoms can slow down light to a complete stop but we're not looking to stop it just slow it down to a really ultra slow crawl via temperature control of the sodium gas atoms. this would allow photo pressure to build up into the medium for more efficient Photovoltaic reactions and photo amplification due to the over excess of photons within the medium.

this is where the Sodium Silicate comes in, if it can do the same thing then this makes the procedure much easier than using cooled Sodium Gas.

Try cooling the full Sodium Silicate crystal first as a whole then try it again with crushed and ground Sodium Silicates to see if optical trapping occurs, if it does then we go to the next step, the band gap of the sodium silicate changes according to the grade of the ground up crystal. this also occurs in ground silicon itself.

Photon amplification of the exited LASED electrons results in Photon OU. 1 photon turns into 2 then 4 then 8 then 16 then 32 photons and on.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 28, 2009, 06:35:59 AM
Hi Tito.

that's funny, no the idea is that photons and electrons go hand and hand, if a LASER amplifier medium is used the electrons pump out twice as many photons into greater amount of photo pressure, the idea is to trap this photo pressure in a photo amplifying medium. then by controlling the leakage of the photons one can leak a specific amount of stored light into a full band gap solar cell array for the production of power.

it's more complicated than what I just specified but it's a reasonable short explanation for starters.

cooled Sodium Gas Atoms can slow down light to a complete stop but we're not looking to stop it just slow it down to a really ultra slow crawl via temperature control of the sodium gas atoms. this would allow photo pressure to build up into the medium for more efficient Photovoltaic reactions and photo amplification due to the over excess of photons within the medium.

this is where the Sodium Silicate comes in, if it can do the same thing then this makes the procedure much easier than using cooled Sodium Gas.

Try cooling the full Sodium Silicate crystal first as a whole then try it again with crushed and ground Sodium Silicates to see if optical trapping occurs, if it does then we go to the next step, the band gap of the sodium silicate changes according to the grade of the ground up crystal. this also occurs in ground silicon itself.

Photon amplification of the exited LASED electrons results in Photon OU. 1 photon turns into 2 then 4 then 8 then 16 then 32 photons and on.

Jerry ;)

wow! that's interesting. i pray for your success  be careful bye .  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: markdansie on August 28, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
Hi Tito,
with all great respect to you and the needs of your family, I can understand your fustration with your government. There are two solutions if you say what you have is real.
1. post the design and tech specification on the internet and give it to humanity.
2. find another country or investment group that will take your project forward.
This is only my opinion and I express it with respect to you.
i think many people here would appreciate the results you have achieved in regards to input and out put and how you measured them. This does not require you to specify you technical details which can remain hidden.
Kind Regards
mark
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on August 28, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
hi ac

i understand that also what you mean, currently my situation is not good and i don't know whose to trust and i need to earn money for my three children, i believe God will understand me also.

sorry guys

A tip to all of you: study the real process or the real thing that is happening when charging many caps of at least 10K uf in high voltage dc and discharging it sequencially in a coil with secondary! the only secret here is how you connect the caps from battery and coil efficiently! thats it you have it.

offcourse you pulse it!

otits

Are you charging them all at the same time and then using something along the lines of a led chaser circuit for discharging?  ...and probably some back into the coil and some caps for useable energy?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 29, 2009, 12:31:54 AM
Are you charging them all at the same time and then using something along the lines of a led chaser circuit for discharging?  ...and probably some back into the coil and some caps for useable energy?

well, partly you are correct but there is still missing, the technique of using other coil making a kick without using any current from the input and that makes excess or unlimited energy. and i got this technique in henderson file.
my device is a combination of tom bearden, henderson and bedini.

sorry i'll be busy now, i cannot respond always.

God bless
otits
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 29, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
Hi Tito,
with all great respect to you and the needs of your family, I can understand your fustration with your government. There are two solutions if you say what you have is real.
1. post the design and tech specification on the internet and give it to humanity.
2. find another country or investment group that will take your project forward.
This is only my opinion and I express it with respect to you.
i think many people here would appreciate the results you have achieved in regards to input and out put and how you measured them. This does not require you to specify you technical details which can remain hidden.
Kind Regards
mark

Thank you for your suggestion sir but i think i will do that some other time.

I want to enjoy it first with my family.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on August 29, 2009, 01:09:06 AM

Thank you for your suggestion sir but i think i will do that some other time.

I want to enjoy it first with my family.

Congratulations Tito !!!

Why not tell the world how to do it?  What is it that makes your family more important than everyone Else's family?

Think man, you or anyone that thinks keeping this a secret is taking a decision bigger than God !

Would God not want you to use this knowledge to save millions from dying?

You can pump water to those that need it!

You can desalinize water and irrigate dry land to feed the masses l

Doesn't countless lives saved mean anything to anyone anymore?

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: markdansie on August 29, 2009, 03:55:15 AM
@Goat,
what we have here is a classic case of BS. I rank this with Mylow and the other dozen self deluded individuals we have come across this year. Why struggle when if he allowed it to be verified he could make millions and if so inclined give the money away to help others.
He name drops others (all of who have yet to have overunity independently verified)
I realise some of you like to be diplomatic just in case he has something, however he is just another ego driven self proclaimed legend of OU, that has nothing and never will have.
People like me are not always well liked as I love to bust the fraudsters (thats easy with OU claims) I do always support people in their efforst and admire those who do. But scum like this should just F--k off Tito and stop misleading the many others who do quality work and are pushing the boundries.
I suggest he doesnt quote the ones he does but rather quote his real hero's such as Mylow.
So folks I do not think there is any value here just a self deluded egotistical scumbag.
Of course I would loved to be proved wrong. (i will wager \$5000 USD on this one)
I have toned my email down a lot in repect of others here.
PS what we need next here is the MIB story just to complete the pattern.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 30, 2009, 12:13:03 AM
Congratulations Tito !!!

Why not tell the world how to do it?  What is it that makes your family more important than everyone Else's family?

Think man, you or anyone that thinks keeping this a secret is taking a decision bigger than God !

Would God not want you to use this knowledge to save millions from dying?

You can pump water to those that need it!

You can desalinize water and irrigate dry land to feed the masses l

Doesn't countless lives saved mean anything to anyone anymore?

Regards,
Paul

Hi paul good day

if there's a person's i can trust here is between you and sir pese.

but there is a battle in my mind between my family and other's family.

you really made me think and a pulse acting in my conscience becomes alive.

i'm still in the middle, though there are already made ou running by others now.

i love my family, i think God has other solution to others.

actually i'm already giving vital info about my device all you have to do is make some or try some weird twist and that's it.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 30, 2009, 12:26:30 AM
@Goat,
what we have here is a classic case of BS. I rank this with Mylow and the other dozen self deluded individuals we have come across this year. Why struggle when if he allowed it to be verified he could make millions and if so inclined give the money away to help others.
He name drops others (all of who have yet to have overunity independently verified)
I realise some of you like to be diplomatic just in case he has something, however he is just another ego driven self proclaimed legend of OU, that has nothing and never will have.
People like me are not always well liked as I love to bust the fraudsters (thats easy with OU claims) I do always support people in their efforst and admire those who do. But scum like this should just F--k off Tito and stop misleading the many others who do quality work and are pushing the boundries.
I suggest he doesnt quote the ones he does but rather quote his real hero's such as Mylow.
So folks I do not think there is any value here just a self deluded egotistical scumbag.
Of course I would loved to be proved wrong. (i will wager \$5000 USD on this one)
I have toned my email down a lot in repect of others here.
PS what we need next here is the MIB story just to complete the pattern.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

hi mark

i understand you, ok if i'm disturbing many, sorry for that, at least i have given some of my hints i just encouraging you to keep on experimenting, CAPACITOR IS THE SOLUTION!!!
SORRY FOR EVERYTHING I WON'T DISTURB YOU ANYMORE
otits

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: markdansie on August 30, 2009, 12:34:55 AM
Hi Tito,
you are not disturbing me at all.
I do have one curiousity. You speak of having to struggle feeding and providing for your family. yet if you say what you have achieved you could provide them with as much money and resources to live in comfort for all their lives (anywhere in the world)
So having a family myself, I would never deny them an opportunity to have security and education.
Secondly I am sure many here would like to know what results you have achieved IE power in and power out and how you measured it. In what way would that harm or jepodise your position?
Mark

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 30, 2009, 12:52:16 AM
Hi Tito,
you are not disturbing me at all.
I do have one curiousity. You speak of having to struggle feeding and providing for your family. yet if you say what you have achieved you could provide them with as much money and resources to live in comfort for all their lives (anywhere in the world)
So having a family myself, I would never deny them an opportunity to have security and education.
Secondly I am sure many here would like to know what results you have achieved IE power in and power out and how you measured it. In what way would that harm or jepodise your position?
Mark

that is so easy to say but its so hard in reality specially if your country does'nt want to support you,

I'M NOT SELLING MY DEVICE OK!!! for your info.

i'm contented in my ice cube and laundry business ok!!! Goodbye!

i think no need for measurement if you are using your device for one straight week without charging the battery and using 300 watts of power from your inverter. all i need is that it can stand everyday ok.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: markdansie on August 30, 2009, 03:11:23 AM
Hi Tito,
I am happy you have found contentment with your icecube and laundry business. Finding contentment is always good.
I am curious why you need the support of your country? You can always find a country that will support you.
I did not ask to purchase your device. I suggested you either explain what you have discovered or at least the performance. You can give it to others freely who will do good and help many people who need clean water and electricity, or at least show others who can adopt your design and do good.
i understand your anger at me but why not assist the many people who have assisted you, some of which you have already acknowledged here.
i know of a humanatarian organisation (not for profit) who would assist and support you in everyway and use your technology for humanatarian work. I cannot see how this would interfere with your contentment or your family , but maybe improve the lives of many millions around the world.
I can only come to three conclusions.
1. You are either genius that is very selfish and do not care about people
2. You are full of BS and never achieved anything.
3. You are self dellusional
History is unfortunately on my side.Y
You have nothing to prove to me, to be honest I dont really care but there are many others who do care.
I think you can see the corner you have worked yourself into.
Take care and I wish you all the best for you and your family.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 30, 2009, 04:03:42 AM
Hi Tito,
I am happy you have found contentment with your icecube and laundry business. Finding contentment is always good.
I am curious why you need the support of your country? You can always find a country that will support you.
I did not ask to purchase your device. I suggested you either explain what you have discovered or at least the performance. You can give it to others freely who will do good and help many people who need clean water and electricity, or at least show others who can adopt your design and do good.
i understand your anger at me but why not assist the many people who have assisted you, some of which you have already acknowledged here.
i know of a humanatarian organisation (not for profit) who would assist and support you in everyway and use your technology for humanatarian work. I cannot see how this would interfere with your contentment or your family , but maybe improve the lives of many millions around the world.
I can only come to three conclusions.
1. You are either genius that is very selfish and do not care about people
2. You are full of BS and never achieved anything.
3. You are self dellusional
History is unfortunately on my side.Y
You have nothing to prove to me, to be honest I dont really care but there are many others who do care.
I think you can see the corner you have worked yourself into.
Take care and I wish you all the best for you and your family.
Kind Regards
Mark

Hi mark

You have a point there,
i think i maybe not just ready for it.

i will prove nothing but i encourage everyone to study this field if you really want to see real power!.
study the tesla's wiring style, efficiency is in there.
still tesla's technique is the superior method!. believe it or not.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: markdansie on August 30, 2009, 05:13:25 AM
Hi Again,

I have a quote from you
"I know that you know we're running out of time, earth is very sick she needs all of us and still waiting for geniouses for a redemption make a move now! before its too late.
That's why it is a sin for you if you are not doing what you should be doing right now!"

I rest my case
Kind Regards
Mark

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 30, 2009, 05:49:07 AM
Hi Again,

I have a quote from you
"I know that you know we're running out of time, earth is very sick she needs all of us and still waiting for geniouses for a redemption make a move now! before its too late.
That's why it is a sin for you if you are not doing what you should be doing right now!"

I rest my case
Kind Regards
Mark
i remember that  ;D those are my previous post , ya you got me there but please give me time to earn first and enjoy it first.  ;)

you really attacking my conscience  >:(

don't worry  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gsmsslsb on September 11, 2009, 06:48:14 AM

@room

Yes i will sir, i'm not just satisfied with the power i am getting, i am currently workin on it, i am adding thorated tungsten in my spark gap, i will post them as i finished it.

I have success about the Tom bearden's degenerated conductor, i will post them soon.

Hello Tito
In the post above you were going to post something about your success with Tom Beardens degenerate semiconductor. ;D
Have you got anything you can tell us yet.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on September 11, 2009, 09:12:02 AM
Hello all,

it seems that I was a little bit blind so I didnt see this thread. and especially the posted "Sweet drawing".

For years now Im insisting to use this drawing to build a TPU. It has to be a little bit modified because of the number of turns, connections.... Nobody was listening as always.

Tito,  your doing a great job.

Otto

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MasterPlaster on September 11, 2009, 01:07:32 PM
i remember that  ;D those are my previous post , ya you got me there but please give me time to earn first and enjoy it first.  ;)

you really attacking my conscience  >:(

don't worry  :)

"Me first" .. The bane of humanity.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on September 11, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
@Tito

What is the physical size of your device?  Can you give us some dimensions? Parts?

Are you only using 2-3 coils?

How are they wound?

How are you driving it?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 17, 2009, 04:00:24 AM
Hello all,

it seems that I was a little bit blind so I didnt see this thread. and especially the posted "Sweet drawing".

For years now Im insisting to use this drawing to build a TPU. It has to be a little bit modified because of the number of turns, connections.... Nobody was listening as always.

Tito,  your doing a great job.

Otto

hi sir otto good day!!!

i would like to thank for your informative info where i learned a lot.

i would like you to know also that YOU are very big part of my success.

i made you feel bad just to squeeze some secret info from you, didn't you notice that sir  ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!  ;D  ;D

Thank you very much sir!

otits
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 17, 2009, 04:13:17 AM
"Me first" .. The bane of humanity.

hi mp

i made a lot of hard work and very dangerous experiment, do you think i will just give it just easy as that!
i made a lot of readings in this forum, Yes i am not denying that i learned a lot here, you can learn too.

for every hard work there is a reward!!!

perhaps i am giving already many hints and its up to you to try it,

OPCOURSE TRY IT IN SMALL AMOUNT FIRST OK. its dangerous.  8)

and if your just really studying it you can get it, everything has been discussed in this forum already

all you need is study and experiment ok.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 17, 2009, 04:30:23 AM
hi everyone good day

i focused my self on energy amplification because i believe that the real secret of our previous scientist and inventors is on how to amplify a small energy. tesla, moray, habbard, hendershot, bearden, bedini.

like for example the tesla's radiant energy that was not patented without something in it ok its not weak, WE CAN AMPLIFY IT OK.  8)

The secret is boldly discussed in this forum already its so very easy you have to notice it.

A COIL THAT MAKES A BIG KICK WITHOUT USING ANY CURRENT!

AND WE CAN MAKE UNLIMITTED NUMBERS OF THEM OK!  8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 17, 2009, 04:47:05 AM
@Tito

What is the physical size of your device?  Can you give us some dimensions? Parts?

Are you only using 2-3 coils?

How are they wound?

How are you driving it?

ARE YOU ONLY USING 2-3 COILS? : its up to your design, the manyer the coil, the bigger capacity you can
produced ok.

HOW ARE THEY WOUND? : opcourse bifillar is still the best plus the magic coil that makes the big kick just include it
in the bifillar to fill the collector fully charge in energy ok.

HOW ARE YOU DRIVING IT?: well, just a matter of on and off ok. thats how simple it is.

i think you can ask sir otto for parts and dimensions ok. its not a big deal in my device ok its just so very simple
device.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on September 17, 2009, 07:29:23 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

I have NO problems if somebody uses my ideas.
I also have no problems to share what I know. I only need a little push to start to wright, ha,ha.
I have no problems if somebody wants to earn a lot of money or patent my ideas.

But I dont agree with you that you got "SECRET" infos from me....

I have NOTHING to hide and my "mission" here is to help the people a little bit. If I can of course.

Look at overunity.de - the Hendershot thread so you can see my "secrets".

So, in the hope you did the right thing I hope we will soon see what you have.

Otto

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 17, 2009, 08:18:49 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

I have NO problems if somebody uses my ideas.
I also have no problems to share what I know. I only need a little push to start to wright, ha,ha.
I have no problems if somebody wants to earn a lot of money or patent my ideas.

But I dont agree with you that you got "SECRET" infos from me....

I have NOTHING to hide and my "mission" here is to help the people a little bit. If I can of course.

Look at overunity.de - the Hendershot thread so you can see my "secrets".

So, in the hope you did the right thing I hope we will soon see what you have.

Otto

well sir ok

i thought i made you to tell something hidden about negative energy.

anyway thank you.  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on September 17, 2009, 08:30:37 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

negative RESISTANCE is needed in our coils and devices, not negative energy.

Anyway. what means negative resistance?

A lot of people "knows" everything about that but.....is it so??

Otto
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Mk1 on September 17, 2009, 08:47:21 AM
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: exnihiloest on September 17, 2009, 09:02:23 AM
...So, in the hope you did the right thing I hope we will soon see what you have.
...

When someone announces in advance a great and dangerous invention that he is working on (i.e without any proof), the past has proved he has nothing.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 17, 2009, 11:25:32 AM
When someone announces in advance a great and dangerous invention that he is working on (i.e without any proof), the past has proved he has nothing.

ok think what you want to think.

i'm just so busy right now cause my father died last sept. 11  i cannot able to make a video to present.

i think i'll just close it right here. thank you very much.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 17, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

negative RESISTANCE is needed in our coils and devices, not negative energy.

Anyway. what means negative resistance?

A lot of people "knows" everything about that but.....is it so??

Otto

oh ya i think that is what i accidentally discovered, we're talking of different thing ok.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on September 17, 2009, 06:18:27 PM
Tito are you willing to give up your secrets yet?   ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 18, 2009, 12:11:25 AM
I don't know if this is related but definitely one way of amplifying energy is described clearly by Tesla in his interview by counsel, which is deciphered here :

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4596-trying-decode-teslas-converters-2.html

This is of course only theory and missing many parts, but in fact it's like TV station : no matter how much TV sets are operational in the same moment it does draw the same energy from transmitter to transmit signal. Am I right ?

Assume you have two RLC circuits both with antenna , which is transmitter and which receiver ? How to distinguish them ? How to make unidirectional energy flow ? How to not disturb resonance of receiver while dissipating part of energy from it ? There is a problem also that every load I know are dynamic - they change parameters in time,temperature and depending on many factors. How to find a method to "hold resonance in place" in receiver ?

Why there are so many secrets ? It is simple like one satellite signal and 1 million TV receivers . Am I right ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 23, 2009, 07:13:29 AM
I don't know if this is related but definitely one way of amplifying energy is described clearly by Tesla in his interview by counsel, which is deciphered here :

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4596-trying-decode-teslas-converters-2.html

This is of course only theory and missing many parts, but in fact it's like TV station : no matter how much TV sets are operational in the same moment it does draw the same energy from transmitter to transmit signal. Am I right ?

Assume you have two RLC circuits both with antenna , which is transmitter and which receiver ? How to distinguish them ? How to make unidirectional energy flow ? How to not disturb resonance of receiver while dissipating part of energy from it ? There is a problem also that every load I know are dynamic - they change parameters in time,temperature and depending on many factors. How to find a method to "hold resonance in place" in receiver ?

Why there are so many secrets ? It is simple like one satellite signal and 1 million TV receivers . Am I right ?

yes i have also a complete copy of this tesla's interview, this interview is exactly where i am focusing my experiment, great find. you're already there.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 23, 2009, 07:15:53 AM
Tito are you willing to give up your secrets yet?   ;D

i'm already giving many of the secrets, circuit efficiency and some arrangement is the one that is only missing.

i believe you have it already.   ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 23, 2009, 08:19:01 AM
I will try to put it as theoretical elaboration done by Tesla in parts.

Part I

Energy impulse.

"(...) The advantage of this apparatus was the delivering of energy at short intervals whereby one
could increase activity, and with this scheme I was able to perform all of those wonderful experiments which have been reprinted from time to time in
the technical papers. I would take energy out of a circuit at rates of hundreds or thousands of horsepower. In Colorado, I reached 18 million
horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time.
You could not produce that activity with an undamped wave. The damped wave is of advantage because it gives you, with a generator of 1 kilowatt,
an activity of 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 kilowatts; whereas, if you have a continuous or undamped wave, 1 kilowatt gives you only wave energy at
the rate of 1 kilowatt and nothing more. That is the reason why the system with a quenched gap has become popular.
I have refined this so that I have been able to take energy out of engines by drawing on their momentum. For instance, if the engine is of 200
horsepower, I take the energy out for a minute interval of time, at a rate of 5,000 or 6,000 horsepower, then I store [it] in a condenser and discharge
the same at the rate of several millions of horsepower. That is how these wonderful effects are produced. The condenser is the most wonderful
instrument, as I have stated in my writings, because it enables us to attain greater activities than are practical with explosives. There is no limit to the
energy which you can develop with a condenser. There is a limit to the energy which you can develop with an explosive.
A common experiment, for instance, in my laboratory on Houston Street, was to pass through a coil energy at a rate of several thousand horsepower,
put a piece of thick tinfoil on a stick, and approach it to that coil. The tinfoil would melt, and would not only melt, but while it was still in that form, it
would be evaporated and the whole process took place in so small an interval of time that it was like a cannon shot. Instantly I put it there, there was
an explosion. That was a striking experiment. It simply showed the power of the condenser, and at that time I was so reckless that in order to
demonstrate to my visitors that my theories were correct, I would stick my head into that coil and I was not hurt; but, I would not do it now."

We have learned here that capacitor discharge is like EXPLOSIVE, it has energy gain manifold. We have also seen proof - Tesla laboratory experiment with quite low power melting thick tinfoil instantly.

For those who don't see it : imagine a boxer or wrestler and  we are training him and he accumulate power in muscles and technic to give the final kick. This is capacitor.

Glossary:
damped wave = disruptive discharge of capacitor,squeezing energy in time,energy impulse of explosive nature
undamped wave = continuous oscillation = resonance
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 23, 2009, 08:25:22 AM
I will try to put it as theoretical elaboration done by Tesla in parts.

Part I

Energy impulse.

"(...) The advantage of this apparatus was the delivering of energy at short intervals whereby one
could increase activity, and with this scheme I was able to perform all of those wonderful experiments which have been reprinted from time to time in
the technical papers. I would take energy out of a circuit at rates of hundreds or thousands of horsepower. In Colorado, I reached 18 million
horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time.
You could not produce that activity with an undamped wave. The damped wave is of advantage because it gives you, with a generator of 1 kilowatt,
an activity of 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 kilowatts; whereas, if you have a continuous or undamped wave, 1 kilowatt gives you only wave energy at
the rate of 1 kilowatt and nothing more. That is the reason why the system with a quenched gap has become popular.
I have refined this so that I have been able to take energy out of engines by drawing on their momentum. For instance, if the engine is of 200
horsepower, I take the energy out for a minute interval of time, at a rate of 5,000 or 6,000 horsepower, then I store [it] in a condenser and discharge
the same at the rate of several millions of horsepower. That is how these wonderful effects are produced. The condenser is the most wonderful
instrument, as I have stated in my writings, because it enables us to attain greater activities than are practical with explosives. There is no limit to the
energy which you can develop with a condenser. There is a limit to the energy which you can develop with an explosive.
A common experiment, for instance, in my laboratory on Houston Street, was to pass through a coil energy at a rate of several thousand horsepower,
put a piece of thick tinfoil on a stick, and approach it to that coil. The tinfoil would melt, and would not only melt, but while it was still in that form, it
would be evaporated and the whole process took place in so small an interval of time that it was like a cannon shot. Instantly I put it there, there was
an explosion. That was a striking experiment. It simply showed the power of the condenser, and at that time I was so reckless that in order to
demonstrate to my visitors that my theories were correct, I would stick my head into that coil and I was not hurt; but, I would not do it now."

We have learned here that capacitor discharge is like EXPLOSIVE, it has energy gain manifold. We have also seen proof - Tesla laboratory experiment with quite low power melting thick tinfoil instantly.

For those who don't see it : imagine a boxer or wrestler and  we are training him and he accumulate power in muscles and technic to give the final kick. This is capacitor.

Glossary:
damped wave = disruptive discharge of capacitor,squeezing energy in time,energy impulse of explosive nature
undamped wave = continuous oscillation = resonance

I SECOND DEMOTION!

CASE CLOSED !
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 23, 2009, 08:26:11 AM
in energy amplification, the photon wins supreme, with photons one can get a 2 for 1 sale at your local LASER medium outfit. in order to get the 2 for 1 sale on photons you have to speak with your local electron Representative.

there is nothing more powerful than the Talisman of light. it can hold the light of the Universe inside an area the size of a thimble. (the perfect Light Trap).

I wonder if the name Talisman can be the elemental, Tantalum, Lithium, Samarium, an?

just kicking some things around, don't mind me.
Jerry ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on September 23, 2009, 09:13:47 AM
Hello all,

just "shake" your coils and you will have an energy amplification.

Otto
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 23, 2009, 02:21:54 PM
Part II

Pendulum.

"(...)if you have a continuous or undamped wave, 1 kilowatt gives you only wave energy at
the rate of 1 kilowatt and nothing more"

"(...)The idea was to put the coil, with reference to the primary, in an inductive connection which was not closeâ€”we call it now a loose
couplingâ€”but free to permit a great resonant rise. "

We see here how Tesla described his undamped oscillation circuit as something having continuous wave without squeezing factor possible , but with great resonant rise if permitted to free oscillate. This is exactly what PENDULUM is.

Energy pulse is now converted into continuous oscillation. But that require reviving energy with sporadic energy impulses.

"Then I had a sensibly damped wave because at that time I still
was laboring under the same difficulties as some do this day  ::) â€”I had not learned how to produce a circuit which would give me, with very few
fundamental impulses, a perfectly continuous wave. That came with the perfection of the devices. When I came to my experiments in Colorado, I
could take my apparatus like that and get a continuous or undamped wave, almost without exception, between individual discharges."

Many things can be pendulum - coil, combination of coil and capacitor,coilpacitor,oscillating magnetic field of permanent magnet,mechanical pendulum.

It's like allowing our boxer or wrestler to hit a big Tibetan gong.The result of small amount of  hits one after another separated by exact period of time synchronized with gong oscillation is very very  loud sound...

"That was the first single step, as I say, toward the evolution of an invention which I have called my
"magnifying transmitter." That means, a circuit connected to ground and to the antenna, of a tremendous electromagnetic momentum and small
damping factor, with all the conditions so determined that an immense accumulation of electrical energy can take place"

Exactly. Pendulum can accumulate energy, however only when oscillations are not damped ,when force do not act against natural tendency and when periodical energy impulse are only slightly bigger then required to sustain continuous oscillations.

Tesla : "I mean this: If you pass a current into a circuit with large self-induction, and no radiation takes place, and you have a low resistance, there is no
possibility of this energy getting out into space; therefore, the impressed impulses accumulate."

So there is even more that first energy impulse converted into continuous oscillation.All impulses cause amplitude of oscillations to rise if done properly up to the complete damage of device. In common electric resonance circuit total resistance is zero at resonant frequency, that's why pendulum must be constructed as Tesla described with HIS resonance maintained and with electric resonance maintained also.
That would mean an electric circuit with large self-inductance and comparatively small capacitance working at resonant frequency and having special length to maintain Tesla rules.

Tesla : "You see, the apparatus which I have devised was an apparatus enabling one to produce tremendous differences of potential and currents in an
antenna circuit. These requirements must be fulfilled, whether you transmit by currents of conduction, or whether you transmit by electromagnetic
waves. You want high potential currents, you want a great amount of vibratory energy; but you can graduate this vibratory energy. By proper design
and choice of wave lengths, you can arrange it so that you get, for instance, 5 percent in these electromagnetic waves and 95 percent in the current
that goes through the earth. That is what I am doing."

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 23, 2009, 07:38:38 PM
the photon is the only particle where you can get a true 2 for 1 sale.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on September 23, 2009, 11:50:02 PM
@ Tito

Although I don't believe in the game of secrets you are playing if you seriously have found a way to get OU while millions die from lack of water and food....I will bite my lip & tongue and just ask you the following:

From all of your posts I would like to know which of Tesla's technique in the following quote made it work for you, in other words, which patent?

Hi mark

You have a point there,
i think i maybe not just ready for it.

i will prove nothing but i encourage everyone to study this field if you really want to see real power!.
study the tesla's wiring style, efficiency is in there.
still tesla's technique is the superior method!. believe it or not.

PS:  I take part in this forum to try and help people with information if I can and learn somethings along the way, seeing that you had to coerce Otto to give up secrets to help you get what you needed from this forum why not return the favor and help us all achieve OU!

hi sir otto good day!!!

i would like to thank for your informative info where i learned a lot.

i would like you to know also that YOU are very big part of my success.

i made you feel bad just to squeeze some secret info from you, didn't you notice that sir  ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!  ;D  ;D

Thank you very much sir!

otits

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MasterPlaster on September 24, 2009, 12:23:59 AM
@Goat,
Never plead to a little man.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on September 24, 2009, 12:50:47 AM
@Goat,
Never plead to a little man.

@ MasterPlaster

I agree with you to a certain point, until it's proven real or fraud even Tesla or Einstein like minds are sometimes hard to get to!  Sometimes they are eccentric in their ways....even at the cost of humanity  ???

The OU scene is alive and well, complete with scammers and schemers...I've yet to find OU anywhere even on an OU forum... ??? ... LOL

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 07:34:34 AM
Hi goat good day

what i'm saying is, as i am studying tesla's different kinds of patent, i concentrated most in this patents:
a) U.S. Patent 0,568,178 -
b) U.S. Patent 0,568,179 -
c) U.S. Patent 0,568,180 -
d) U.S. Patent 0,577,670 -

i've read also the teslas interview what forest's is posting in this subject

and i come up in a very simple solution when i combine bearden and bedini's technology.

sorry buddy i cannot give my circuit yet but  i'm telling you the truth.  :(

the only thing that i did not give is the arrangement of the circuit. ok its an rlc.

DO YOU KNOW THAT USING THIS METHOD CAN GENERATE KLWATT FROM A 1.5 VOLTS!
ofcource sub-staging technique must be used ok.  8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 08:01:21 AM
the photon is the only particle where you can get a true 2 for 1 sale.

ya i beleive you. using many mirrors actually can make a lot of particle from one to many, and we can concentrate that into one point to cook our dinner ok?  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 08:05:46 AM
Hello all,

just "shake" your coils and you will have an energy amplification.

Otto

ya your absolutely correct!, just add some capacitor plus a little input to make it work ok.  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on September 29, 2009, 08:09:59 AM
Hello all,

fine and nice.

Now we have Tito who doesnt want to share his "secret".
Now Grumpy made a statement that he doesnt want to go public.
We are waiting for Bruce_TPU to post what he has.

May I ask you people what youre doing here??

@Tito

not bad but could it be better? I mean a kilowatt is fine but .....

Otto
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2009, 08:13:43 AM
I need 30kW to heat my house  :o I hope soon  :'(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 08:21:48 AM
Hello all,

fine and nice.

Now we have Tito who doesnt want to share his "secret".
Now Grumpy made a statement that he doesnt want to go public.
We are waiting for Bruce_TPU to post what he has.

May I ask you people what youre doing here??

@Tito

not bad but could it be better? I mean a kilowatt is fine but .....

Otto

Sorry sir, it is not that i don't want to share, i'm not just ready for now.

i'm saying the reality of possibility 1.5v > 1kw beleive it! tesla is not lying in his magnifying transmitter!

i'm here to tell the truth but not to tell in detail my hardwork! sorry.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 08:35:05 AM

Now we have Tito who doesnt want to share his "secret".

May I ask you people what youre doing here??

Otto

sorry sir otto if i say this, but even you, you also not giving a complete info of your discovery am i right?

ok you can now be mad at me as i'm telling this truth ok!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on September 29, 2009, 08:38:58 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

no problem if you dont want to share.

Of course Tesla did the right thing. With his core/caps and coils and the particles from outside he got what he wanted. Not to forget the spark gaps he used.

Your system gives you 1kW. Thats really good but you have NOT totally "opened" you system.

Think about how you can get muuuuuuch more.

Otto

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2009, 08:42:53 AM
The problem is in energy transfer and usage. We know that energy can be raised by doing disruptive discharge along with resonant circuit. What we don't know yet is how to extract energy from pendulum.
That is the final part we have to learn - how to force all common electrons from air and ground and water to do work in HF HV envinronment without disturbing resonance.
Any tip ? Some are telling us that we have to charge a large HV capacitors bank and then dissipate slowly energy by using inverter. (Don Smith)
Seems good, but I would rather like to use energy directly to power  30kW resistive heater (which I'll make myself too). The others say that the way to power load is to adjust or hold resonance when parameters of load are changed (Kapanadze)
This is that step which separate toy Tesla coil shown on youtube from real energy recoverable power source as shown by Kapanadze for example.

I saw that energy, it's really easy to see it - every electrostatic source is such energy source - old TV set, plasma globe, even old sweater... The hard task is to tap it and use it...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 08:43:02 AM
I need 30kW to heat my house  :o I hope soon  :'(

1.5v source is very small for an appliances, design is limited by your imagination.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 08:54:45 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

no problem if you dont want to share.

Of course Tesla did the right thing. With his core/caps and coils and the particles from outside he got what he wanted. Not to forget the spark gaps he used.

Your system gives you 1kW. Thats really good but you have NOT totally "opened" you system.

Think about how you can get muuuuuuch more.

Otto

i think you don't understand the logic sir,  because if you can get 1k from 1.5v how much more if you use 3v,6v, 12v, 24v.

imagination is the limit ok.

tesla's spark gaps are obsolete, we have a much better solution to that ok.

a matter of series and parallel connection will solve your problem ok its an elementary technique  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2009, 09:09:52 AM
i think you don't understand the logic sir,  because if you can get 1k from 1.5v how much more if you use 3v,6v, 12v, 24v.

imagination is the limit ok.

tesla's spark gaps are obsolete, we have a much better solution to that ok. (...)

which one ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 09:15:21 AM
which one ?

actually 24v is much better.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on September 29, 2009, 09:21:19 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

I understand the logic here, dont worry.

Of course, Im NOT using spark gaps. Thats clear and yes, there are much better solutions.

I have NO PROBLEMS!!

Otto
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2009, 09:26:10 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

I understand the logic here, dont worry.

Of course, Im NOT using spark gaps. Thats clear and yes, there are much better solutions.

I have NO PROBLEMS!!

Otto

sorry sir.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2009, 09:30:20 AM
what is better then spark gap ? rotary interrupter ? do we have any solid state device capable of doing the same job for a long time ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 02:02:12 PM
tesla's spark gaps are obsolete, we have a much better solution to that ok.

a matter of series and parallel connection will solve your problem ok its an elementary technique  ;D

semiconductor switches in avalanche mode or simply switched - transistors, MOSFETs, etc.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2009, 02:16:08 PM
while we are here - question about mosfets : can they work in HV ? well I know that most cannot work above 1000V , but I saw Don Smith schematic and he states that by using proper voltage dividers they CAN switch huge power (amps at high voltage). Do they work in floating mode (not grounded) with proper voltage difference between gate,source and drain terminals while switching HV ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on September 29, 2009, 06:00:20 PM
@Tito L. Oracion

Been reading this thread and I only have two questions that will NOT push you to give out anything and will give guys here a better understanding of what they are not doing with their devices.

So my questions is................................

1) How many steps does your device have to go through to produce your output. I am not asking which steps but how many.

2) How many loops are in your steps.

You can answer these questions with numbers only like 5-1, meaning five steps and one loop, or, 6-2, and so on.

wattsup
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2009, 08:15:33 PM
wattsup,

by loop do you mean positive feedback ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on September 29, 2009, 10:55:25 PM
@forest

You can actually call it whatever, but I don't think it is feedback. Feedback for me means a small portion of the output (or from anywhere else on the circuit) is sent back to give another pulsing signal. What I mean by loop means portions of a circuit that permit the total output or a serious part thereof feeding back to a source point that then increases the overall energy driving the circuit. But not feedback. But @tito could be using 0 loops with 15 steps. What I am curious about is only that, how many steps, and if used, how many loops.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on September 30, 2009, 04:12:11 AM
Hi goat good day

what i'm saying is, as i am studying tesla's different kinds of patent, i concentrated most in this patents:
a) U.S. Patent 0,568,178 -
b) U.S. Patent 0,568,179 -
c) U.S. Patent 0,568,180 -
d) U.S. Patent 0,577,670 -

i've read also the teslas interview what forest's is posting in this subject

and i come up in a very simple solution when i combine bearden and bedini's technology.

sorry buddy i cannot give my circuit yet but  i'm telling you the truth.  :(

the only thing that i did not give is the arrangement of the circuit. ok its an rlc.

DO YOU KNOW THAT USING THIS METHOD CAN GENERATE KLWATT FROM A 1.5 VOLTS!
ofcource sub-staging technique must be used ok.  8)

Thanks for the info Tito :)

The Tesla Patents you posted are a great hint in but I'm at a loss for crossing over from his circuits to Bearden and Bedini's technology to turn it into an OU circuit.... ???....

The Devil's in the details and I'm not accomplished enough to put the puzzle all together yet so I'll wait.

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 30, 2009, 07:51:33 AM
@Tito L. Oracion

Been reading this thread and I only have two questions that will NOT push you to give out anything and will give guys here a better understanding of what they are not doing with their devices.

So my questions is................................

1) How many steps does your device have to go through to produce your output. I am not asking which steps but how many.

2) How many loops are in your steps.

You can answer these questions with numbers only like 5-1, meaning five steps and one loop, or, 6-2, and so on.

wattsup

hi sir good day!  ;D
actually it depends how you started it, and how you make your transformer, its just a matter of transformer technique, the secret is how will you make a connection from the source of not making it drained and making huge amount of electricity from a small source. that is i beleive the real secret of our previous inventors and scientist like tesla, hubbard, moray etc.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 30, 2009, 01:43:33 PM
ok

its a case to case basis when i tried 1.5v > 1klw well its

1.5v>3v>6V>12v and thats it.

but..........................

for every steps there are branches of many energy producers ok!

inverters are available ready made in the market all you need is that you must have the energy needed by the inverter ok  8)

thank you very much bye for now, i'm busy making more power.

the more the circuit the better the performance in the sence of durability.
:-X

by the way, no one is prohibiting us to use charcoal isn't it, which is very much safe and available than radium.  ::)

Tesla made lightning of 13MV, why can't we? can't we not use that into a
useable energy?
how to control a big machine or a rocket using only a push button?

how to control an elephant?

what is yin and yang  ::)

WE ARE VERY LUCKY TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS TO USE.
EVERYTHING IS READY MADE, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS CHEW IT , THINK AND COMBINE.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 30, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
HI EVERYONE GOOD DAY!  ;D

WHY WE MAKE THINGS SO DIFFICULT  ???

BATTERY IS A PERFECT SOURCE OF INPUT.

Einstein says why you have to measure it by your self?
that is already in the book.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 30, 2009, 02:58:46 PM
Hi everyone

TPU is good but for me now i am not interested anymore. i have my own way ok.

nothing but a junk!

this is just one of tesla patent that he cares not verymuch ok.

Sorry for all tpu fans but its true there are much more better way to make things good ok. don't stuck your self from this tpu subject let it die ok.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MasterPlaster on September 30, 2009, 04:01:57 PM
You need to understand about core saturation.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on October 01, 2009, 08:23:35 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

why to let the TPU die?

Dont you see it?

Its the same principle as you use it. Its "only" a conversion device like Tesla, Mory, Sweet....and others had done it many years ago and now we are again "inventing" them. To say it in this way.

So, I see no reason to stop my work on a TPU. And I will NEVER give up because I see no reason why to stop.

Otto

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ronotte on October 01, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
Hello all,

if I am not wrong this thread should deal with Tesla technology and especially on 'Energy Amplification' so perhaps it is a clever idea to return to origin.

TESLA TMT

I wonder, as not seen in other threads, if anybody did really tested the Tesla TMT targeting exactly the E.A....if positive I would appreciate very much to get a link OR enter in contact with sombody that already seriously tested that device.

I am referring to TMT operating at 7 MHz similar to one realized & demonstrated by K. Meyl. Said device does really show the presence of longitudinal wave and the weird TX-Rx virtual connection with some power coming indeed not from conventional sources.

...I thought often about it and I still pondering if collecting energy from many radio-kind receivers does lead to costless power without any impact on the radio-transmitter itself. To bring some new (perhapsâ€¦) I will detail a longitudinal wave approach instead of the classical Hertzian wave (transverse) interpretation according to Maxwell equations.

So let us start from the beginning.
The discovery of the Tesla radiation is denied and isnâ€™t mentioned in the textbooks anymore mainly because lacking of a suitable field description. The Maxwell equations in any case only describe transverse waves, for which the field pointers oscillate transverse to the direction of propagation. What intrigues me is the so called â€˜Vortex modelâ€™ associated with the Longitudinal waves so often cited. The question thus is asked, what the divergence E describes in this case? How is the impulse passed on, so that a longitudinal standing wave can form? How should a shock wave come about, if there are no particles which can push each other? The now often found answer is extending Maxwellâ€™s field theory for vortices of the electric field. These so-called potential vortices are able to form structure and they propagate in space for reason of their particle nature as a longitudinal shock wave. The model concept bases on the ring vortex model of Hermann von Helmholtz.

Now let us go back to Teslaâ€™s TMT.

With reference to attached pic, If both electrodes are pulled apart, then between both you find an electric field. The field lines start at one sphere, the transmitter, and they regroup again at the receiver. If a sinusoidal waveform is step up in the transmitter, then it is again step down at the receiver. The output voltage should be smaller or at maximum equal the input voltage: thatâ€™s the standard understanding.

ACTUALLY IT SEEMS THAT MANY SCIENTISTS FOUND THAT MUCH BIGGER!

If the law of conservation of energy should not be violated, then only one interpretation is left: the open capacitor withdraws field energy from its environment.

Near field interpretation
The effects measured in the near field of an antenna appear weird, because they evade the normally used field theory, but seems to fit close the scalar wave hypothesis. A possible suggested explanation goes like that: The charge carriers which oscillate with high-frequency in an antenna rod form longitudinal standing waves. As a result also the fields in the near zone of a Hertzian dipole are longitudinal scalar wave fields.

Vortex interpretation
An interpretation could be the following: The vortex decay depends on the velocity of propagation which seems several scientist (Tesla, Dollard, etc) have calculated  > than EM velocity, so major than c. These very fast vortices behaves in a weird way: no Faraday cage is able to shield: they donÂ´t have a charge on the average over time. As a result they almost unhindered penetrate solids.  t may be that the surplus energy coming out from the receiver is a neutrinos by-products. Well I may add that I know an inventor (Shad) which is supplying a similar kind of device called â€˜neutrino eggâ€™.

Considerations:
Finally I wonder if that concept could be exploited laying for example 8 receivers in the near field of a single pancake Tesla transmitter (TMT) and collecting in series the Receivers output, much like the various Hubbard like topologies.

Literature
1 Nikola Tesla: Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy. US-Patent No.

645,576, N.Y. 20.3.1900.
2 Nikola Tesla: Art of transmitting electrical energy through the natural mediums,

US-Patent No. 787,412, N.Y. 18.4.1905.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 01, 2009, 02:46:02 PM

Tesla  said it will run idle when there is no receiver.Energy is preserved.
I think energy transfer in case of existing receiver may be such, that first current is send through the Earth at speed c, then returns somehow via elevated capacitances ,then stationary wave is formed. Much like in capacitor. In fact Earth is one plate while both elevated capacitances are second plate.
It is oscillating circuit IMHO.

But let's look at it from simpler point of view : we know that Tesla coil is able to step up voltage much higher then normal transformer. All we need is just : take for example half of that raised voltage and convert into amperage .

How ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 01, 2009, 02:46:22 PM
ok

its a case to case basis when i tried 1.5v > 1klw well its

1.5v>3v>6V>12v and thats it.

but..........................

for every steps there are branches of many energy producers ok!

inverters are available ready made in the market all you need is that you must have the energy needed by the inverter ok  8)

thank you very much bye for now, i'm busy making more power.

the more the circuit the better the performance in the sence of durability.
:-X

by the way, no one is prohibiting us to use charcoal isn't it, which is very much safe and available than radium.  ::)

Tesla made lightning of 13MV, why can't we? can't we not use that into a
useable energy?
how to control a big machine or a rocket using only a push button?

how to control an elephant?

what is yin and yang  ::)

WE ARE VERY LUCKY TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS TO USE.
EVERYTHING IS READY MADE, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS CHEW IT , THINK AND COMBINE.

@Tito L. Oracion

OK, thank-you for your kind reply. I understand everything you are saying and it does make sense. Of course it makes more sense for you since you are the maker, but I really do understand the general idea.

Funny you should mention those Tesla patents which are variations that also include the Tesla Ozone Patent No. 568,177. That patent is a prime step that any OUer should know about as a basic method. The only part is the end usage to concentrate the high voltage into lower voltage higher amperage. That is where the battle will be won.

So creating a short (Relay, Switch, Rotary, Transistor, Mosfet - or other) over a DC supply and disconnecting that via one or more high inductance coils, one or more charge capacitors, one or more (series or parallel) working transformers and you can do what Tesla always said did not waste energy, and that is working with damped waves permits you to return most all the energy back to the source. I think that is what you mean by using small energy. You can use small energy at a time, but you can use bigger energy and give most of it back and that consumes the same as the small energy. lol

Meaning, you can run a very small circuit using a battery and consuming only .1 amp at 12 volts and never returning this energy back, or, you can use 12 volts at 4 amps with the Tesla method and put back into the battery 3.9 amps. Both ways you are consuming only 1.2 watts but the second way you are running a much bigger device hence you have a better chance of getting more output. Makes perfect sense.

So I gather by indicating an inverter, your main device output is 12 vdc with good enough amperage to run an inverter and get your 220vac at 5 amps 50hz output. OK sounds logical but only if the 12vdc production is clean and steady otherwise most commercial inverters will go into an automatic shut-down. Hmmmm.

Also, regarding wasting time on the TPUs, in a very big way you are right that it is a waste of time because anyways, we will never be able to prove whatever we make, even if it follows the style of an SM TPU, will be exactly like the original, but again, who cares. Some are close enough and I am also especially working on and learning from the FTPU. But it does not stop us from doing other things in between. lol

@ronotte

Just saw your post at same time as mine. Hmmmmm.

Good ideas.

I am putting a diagram I made a good while ago that I think is close to what you are saying.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 01, 2009, 02:53:42 PM
@Tito L. Oracion

OK, thank-you for your kind reply. I understand everything you are saying and it does make sense. Of course it makes more sense for you since you are the maker, but I really do understand the general idea.

Funny you should mention those Tesla patents which are variations that also include the Tesla Ozone Patent No. 568,177. That patent is a prime step that any OUer should know about as a basic method. The only part is the end usage to concentrate the high voltage into lower voltage higher amperage. That is where the battle will be won.

So creating a short (Relay, Switch, Rotary, Transistor, Mosfet - or other) over a DC supply and disconnecting that via one or more high inductance coils, one or more charge capacitors, one or more (series or parallel) working transformers and you can do what Tesla always said did not waste energy, and that is working with damped waves permits you to return most all the energy back to the source. I think that is what you mean by using small energy. You can use small energy at a time, but you can use bigger energy and give most of it back and that consumes the same as the small energy. lol

Meaning, you can run a very small circuit using a battery and consuming only .1 amp at 12 volts and never returning this energy back, or, you can use 12 volts at 4 amps with the Tesla method and put back into the battery 3.9 amps. Both ways you are consuming only 1.2 watts but the second way you are running a much bigger device hence you have a better chance of getting more output. Makes perfect sense.

So I gather by indicating an inverter, your main device output is 12 vdc with good enough amperage to run an inverter and get your 220vac at 5 amps 50hz output. OK sounds logical but only if the 12vdc production is clean and steady otherwise most commercial inverters will go into an automatic shut-down. Hmmmm.

Also, regarding wasting time on the TPUs, in a very big way you are right that it is a waste of time because anyways, we will never be able to prove whatever we make, even if it follows the style of an SM TPU, will be exactly like the original, but again, who cares. Some are close enough and I am also especially working on and learning from the FTPU. But it does not stop us from doing other things in between. lol

wattsup,

While you are perfectly right about returning most of energy back to source in such way as to not deplete it but recharge, that will not explain all those devices which are self-runners with power source disconnected after first kick-start - vide Kapanadze device
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 01, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
There is another excerpt from Tesla interview which surprised me.

"Counsel

And would it also be necessary to provide for the high potentials of the order of which you have named in order to insure maximum direct currents and minimum electromagnetic wave radiation?

Tesla

No sir.  The currents are proportionate to the potentials which are developed under otherwise equal conditions.  If you have an antenna of a certain capacity charged to 100,000 volts, you will get a certain current; charged to 200,000 volts, twice the current.  When I spoke of these enormous potentials, I was describing an industrial plant on a large scale because that was the most important application of these principles, but I have also pointed out in my patents that the same principles can be applied to telegraphy and other purposes.  That is simply a question of how much power you want to transmit.

Counsel

In Colorado, which did you use?

Tesla

I used the so-called Tesla transformer.  I did not have the high frequency machine with [me] which I could develop as much energy for the experiments, but with my transformer I could get any amount of energy I
needed.  That is why I used the transformer."

If that is not a statement about free energy then it must be a lapse of speech...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 01, 2009, 03:52:48 PM

wattsup,

While you are perfectly right about returning most of energy back to source in such way as to not deplete it but recharge, that will not explain all those devices which are self-runners with power source disconnected after first kick-start - vide Kapanadze device

That would be the next step once your device works without lowering battery voltage, then using a high uf capacitor would be a choice to start removing the battery from the system.

Would the following be correct or possible as my EE acumen stinks.

If I take good uf capacitor and send on side through a zenor diode of let's say 5 vdc to run a circuit. The zenor gives the 5vdc from the capacitor to the circuit and the capacitor falls to let's say 2 or 1 vdc. The circuit then returns this energy as very high voltage back to the capacitor bringing the voltage back up and permitting the zenor to provide a next 5 vdc to the circuit. So the question is can a zenor diode be used in this manner. Almost like a voltage gain sensing diode relay. if so, man, that would be great.

Maybe we are detracting from @Tito's subject. Hmmmmm. Always happens. lol
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ronotte on October 01, 2009, 05:15:04 PM
@ Tito,

I apologize for intruding into you thread: of course I am following your very interesting project!
anyway if any problem just let me know as I could create a new thread  (I did not that in order do not create too many threads).

@Wattsup

Hey, nice to meet you again.....always intrigued by retro-engineering TPU?  To answer your question, Yes what you posted is exactly what I did...and it works. To cut it short I checked TRUE the following:

- Presence of a 'near field' (around the Tx unit and within a space of about 1.5 meters) where the Maxwell equations does apply.

- Presence of a 'far field' ( distance > 3 meters from Tx) where the Maxwell equations does not fully describe the EM behavior

- In the latter point I have been unable to shield the Rx unit: if it does go in synch (with Tx unit) it stays synched whatever shielding action you do!

- The Tx and Rx unit even if connected only trough ground does appear like fully connected and if you load the RX you obtain a DECREASE on the load that the TX poses on the input exciter.

- The additional power gathered by the Rx is amazing: where does it comes from...the environment?

The minimum topology tested makes it difficult to deal with data so I am building additional Rx units to check easily on the power I/O numbers.

ronotte
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 02, 2009, 01:57:37 PM
Hello all,

@Tito

why to let the TPU die?

Dont you see it?

Its the same principle as you use it. Its "only" a conversion device like Tesla, Mory, Sweet....and others had done it many years ago and now we are again "inventing" them. To say it in this way.

So, I see no reason to stop my work on a TPU. And I will NEVER give up because I see no reason why to stop.

Otto

hi sir good day

well sir that is just a wild advise, because tpu the way i see it is an old topic that wasting precious time of its fans, well i'm one of them  ;D

but sometimes, for me it is better to do some work originated by yourself because it gives a better pleasure.  :)

i even made a tpu version of mine, well it works but its too much complicated and i believe sm's design is not the same as mine. because my tpu works even in inverted position  ;D i don't know why? lol   ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on October 02, 2009, 02:18:21 PM
Hello all,

@Tito

trust me you will again work on your TPU.

The newer versions of the TPU are made in that manner that they can be in an inverted position and work.

Yes, the work on a TPU can sometime be boring for some people but for me its fascinating. Every day a new discovery. Fantastic.

Otto
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 02, 2009, 02:30:10 PM
@Tito L. Oracion

OK, thank-you for your kind reply. I understand everything you are saying and it does make sense. Of course it makes more sense for you since you are the maker, but I really do understand the general idea.

Funny you should mention those Tesla patents which are variations that also include the Tesla Ozone Patent No. 568,177. That patent is a prime step that any OUer should know about as a basic method. The only part is the end usage to concentrate the high voltage into lower voltage higher amperage. That is where the battle will be won.

So creating a short (Relay, Switch, Rotary, Transistor, Mosfet - or other) over a DC supply and disconnecting that via one or more high inductance coils, one or more charge capacitors, one or more (series or parallel) working transformers and you can do what Tesla always said did not waste energy, and that is working with damped waves permits you to return most all the energy back to the source. I think that is what you mean by using small energy. You can use small energy at a time, but you can use bigger energy and give most of it back and that consumes the same as the small energy. lol

Meaning, you can run a very small circuit using a battery and consuming only .1 amp at 12 volts and never returning this energy back, or, you can use 12 volts at 4 amps with the Tesla method and put back into the battery 3.9 amps. Both ways you are consuming only 1.2 watts but the second way you are running a much bigger device hence you have a better chance of getting more output. Makes perfect sense.

So I gather by indicating an inverter, your main device output is 12 vdc with good enough amperage to run an inverter and get your 220vac at 5 amps 50hz output. OK sounds logical but only if the 12vdc production is clean and steady otherwise most commercial inverters will go into an automatic shut-down. Hmmmm.

Also, regarding wasting time on the TPUs, in a very big way you are right that it is a waste of time because anyways, we will never be able to prove whatever we make, even if it follows the style of an SM TPU, will be exactly like the original, but again, who cares. Some are close enough and I am also especially working on and learning from the FTPU. But it does not stop us from doing other things in between. lol

@ronotte

Just saw your post at same time as mine. Hmmmmm.

Good ideas.

I am putting a diagram I made a good while ago that I think is close to what you are saying.

hI SIR GOOD DAY!!!  ;D

BINGO!!!
I intentionally not included that patent because that is where i am is working, your very good sir!  ;D

You always admire me with your post sir , your so kind  and i'm honored being  with you here sir. I also learned a lot from your post sir thank you very much.

i just want you to know that i'm an avid fan of your posts, they realy makes me to think and revised always my works!  ;D

all you've said are absolutely correct!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 02, 2009, 02:40:27 PM
@ Tito,

I apologize for intruding into you thread: of course I am following your very interesting project!
anyway if any problem just let me know as I could create a new thread  (I did not that in order do not create too many threads).

No sir its okay, your very much welcome !  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nutsNbolts on October 03, 2009, 04:19:19 PM
ello Tito

Perhaps you should contack Dr S Greer.   He has the infrastructure set up to see new energy is safely distributed.  That's if you are for real and not cohersing others to do your experiments for you.

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2009, 08:21:36 AM
ello Tito

Perhaps you should contack Dr S Greer.   He has the infrastructure set up to see new energy is safely distributed.  That's if you are for real and not cohersing others to do your experiments for you.

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/ (http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/)

hi sir good day!  ;D

Actually i'm thinking for that but i have to be very carefull of course its like making an experiment you have to consider many things ok.

i am not cohersing others, i want them to discover it themselves, i believe if your a researcher, you can notice if what i'm saying here has sence ok.

i'm telling you and i promise you that my system is very easy to replicate, very easy to do it really change the way we use a source !

i'm repeating what i am is always saying, the secret is in the arrangement of battery, coil, capacitor and diode.

did you realized a tesla switch? how easy and simple to replicate, ron cole even made an inovation for it using only 2 capacitor and 1 battery but still the result is the same ok. the only challenge is how to make a durable switching technique.

do you know that even in hardware store you can make a design of durable switch.

did you try in tesla switch pulsing a coil and feed that to inverter, ofcourse rectify it first!  8)

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 04, 2009, 02:14:17 PM
hi sir good day!  ;D

Actually i'm thinking for that but i have to be very carefull of course its like making an experiment you have to consider many things ok.

i am not cohersing others, i want them to discover it themselves, i believe if your a researcher, you can notice if what i'm saying here has sence ok.

i'm telling you and i promise you that my system is very easy to replicate, very easy to do it really change the way we use a source !

i'm repeating what i am is always saying, the secret is in the arrangement of battery, coil, capacitor and diode.

did you realized a tesla switch? how easy and simple to replicate, ron cole even made an inovation for it using only 2 capacitor and 1 battery but still the result is the same ok. the only challenge is how to make a durable switching technique.

do you know that even in hardware store you can make a design of durable switch.

did you try in tesla switch pulsing a coil and feed that to inverter, ofcourse rectify it first!  8)

@Tito
Is your capacitor unconnected from power source during disruptive discharge and energy is recovered later or you found a way to sent part of energy not used back to power source directly while discharging capacitor ?
Lately I discovered something what Tesla surely realized when he was observing discharge from Edison HV DC generators ,when they were quickly powered on. All I need is information about radiant energy event which occurred when DC generators where switched on - was that a rare accident or very common ? 100% reproducible or rather random ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 08, 2009, 04:49:27 AM
@Tito
Is your capacitor unconnected from power source during disruptive discharge and energy is recovered later or you found a way to sent part of energy not used back to power source directly while discharging capacitor ?
Lately I discovered something what Tesla surely realized when he was observing discharge from Edison HV DC generators ,when they were quickly powered on. All I need is information about radiant energy event which occurred when DC generators where switched on - was that a rare accident or very common ? 100% reproducible or rather random ?

BIG YES THAT IS 100% REPRODUCIBLE!.

Sorry i do not want to answer you in detail but your very near  ;D

Capturing radiant energy is easy, i beleive you can solve that.

be carefull sir because many died in that incident.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 08, 2009, 08:56:45 AM
The best way to store electrons is not by capacitor or batteries, it is by superconductors, neither could compare.

Using superconductors to capture and store the decay energy of Beta emitters is so far the safest civilian nuclear and would be very highly efficient, depending on the nuclear Isotope one could run for a decade or even hundreds or even thousands of years before it needed the isotope replaced, using Tritium the cell would stay charged for 12.3 years before half of the nuclear material needed to be replaced. if you are interested I could build a Beta decay Isotope list specifically for this purpose. but unless people are really interested I would be wasting my time.

lose not, waste not.
Jerry 8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 08, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
Tito

So you are using high self-inductance coil to cut power source connection while capacitor is doing disruptive discharge into working circuit, meaning that in this step energy is not lost by heating power source battery.
That is I think what Tesla realized after seeing radiant energy discharge and investigating it. Quenching circuit which allows unidirectional discharge of capacitor (still oscillating but that another story). In case of Edison DC generators it was due to badly constructed commutator with dead spot which quenched discharge at spark gap (=power switch).
I yet have to find Edison patent to confirm that and also chronology of improvements. The most useful would be to know the list of issues that Tesla had to improve in Edison generators.
This is how I see it :

if electrical energy is condensed  and pumped into wire it has momentum.It is vibrating while flowing on inductance. If suddenly there is a gap in flow then it tries to return back. If return path exits that energy is dissipated by heat and light and other range EM radiation.

If return path is disconnected in correct timing energy has to be released into envinronment but it can't produce much electric field,due to missing back rush path - no EM radiation is possible or only a little.Energy is then radiated as ripple on magnetic field surrounding wires and further into ambient field, because stopped oscillation in every case has to release energy. I think we are near to find complete new science area of longitudinal magnetic waves.I'm not arrogant to state that only one kind of such phenomena is possible. I rather think it's a bunch of phenomena ,complete new spectrum of frequencies and waves.
Sorry,I tend to chatter...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 10, 2009, 12:14:23 AM
The best way to store electrons is not by capacitor or batteries, it is by superconductors, neither could compare.

Using superconductors to capture and store the decay energy of Beta emitters is so far the safest civilian nuclear and would be very highly efficient, depending on the nuclear Isotope one could run for a decade or even hundreds or even thousands of years before it needed the isotope replaced, using Tritium the cell would stay charged for 12.3 years before half of the nuclear material needed to be replaced. if you are interested I could build a Beta decay Isotope list specifically for this purpose. but unless people are really interested I would be wasting my time.

lose not, waste not.
Jerry 8)

Hi jerry good day!

this is new to me sir, i am interested  ;D

and this is great!!!

will you please demonstrate more sir.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 10, 2009, 12:31:52 AM
Tito

So you are using high self-inductance coil to cut power source connection while capacitor is doing disruptive discharge into working circuit, meaning that in this step energy is not lost by heating power source battery.
That is I think what Tesla realized after seeing radiant energy discharge and investigating it. Quenching circuit which allows unidirectional discharge of capacitor (still oscillating but that another story). In case of Edison DC generators it was due to badly constructed commutator with dead spot which quenched discharge at spark gap (=power switch).
I yet have to find Edison patent to confirm that and also chronology of improvements. The most useful would be to know the list of issues that Tesla had to improve in Edison generators.
This is how I see it :

if electrical energy is condensed  and pumped into wire it has momentum.It is vibrating while flowing on inductance. If suddenly there is a gap in flow then it tries to return back. If return path exits that energy is dissipated by heat and light and other range EM radiation.

If return path is disconnected in correct timing energy has to be released into envinronment but it can't produce much electric field,due to missing back rush path - no EM radiation is possible or only a little.Energy is then radiated as ripple on magnetic field surrounding wires and further into ambient field, because stopped oscillation in every case has to release energy. I think we are near to find complete new science area of longitudinal magnetic waves.I'm not arrogant to state that only one kind of such phenomena is possible. I rather think it's a bunch of phenomena ,complete new spectrum of frequencies and waves.
Sorry,I tend to chatter...

some part you are correct, actually you are making it complicated its just easy ok.  ;D

by the way i'm not using spark gap better to use diode and capacitor and magnet ok.

not only one high self inductance but many, you can connect them in series or parallel ok. it depends to you.

note: the used energy should not be returning to the source in order not to kill the dipole ok.  :)

and the used energy can be used also as an output! ;D

plus the real output so you get the used energy and the output energy be added then you get excess then make some little charging action to make battery always alive ok.

goodbye    ;D

ps: i am making a cotton candy now.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 10, 2009, 02:38:26 AM
Hi jerry good day!

this is new to me sir, i am interested  ;D

and this is great!!!

will you please demonstrate more sir.

Hi Tito.

I will begin building the pure Beta Isotope list maybe tomorrow, I am having a few drinks tonight and maybe a couple of video games to choke it down.

It will take a week or two to build the Beta List of complete Isotopes and break it down to more practical Isotope solutions. including energy levels. low energy beta emitters with shorter half lives are best because they offer almost no or no Gamma Ray production at all while keeping Beta collection fast and continuous.

there are two routes that are best.

Use a Radioactive Beta emitting Superconductor material that degrades over the Isotopes half life or one can use a secondary Beta emitter material to radiate a stable superconductor.

there is research needed in the area of radioactive superconductor's, for instance, YBCO, there are no Beta decaying isotopes of YBCO that has half lives into years but only have half lives within seconds, minutes, hours range. radioactive B- YBCO would offer a huge amount of energy for seconds, minutes, hours but it is to highly radioactive and doesn't last as long as years of production. to dangerous, the shorter the half life the more dangerous the isotope.

the solution is to use the superconductors ability to store electrical charges, since superconductors have no resistance they can store their own emissions in the Beta Emissions range because Beta emissions are Electrons. the Superconductor would store the charge up to its saturation point and then any additional charge is arc off as high voltage which in turn is collected to be store or used somewhere else within the electrical system.

The Radioactive Superconductor would look like a flat toroidal pancake that is levitated on a magnetic field inside a chamber in which there are terminals to collect saturation discharges from the Radioactive S/C.

a material that emits its own electrons! and collects it's own Electrons, Stores its own Electrons up until the Electrical potential saturates it, when fully self charged it would look like a highly ionized toroid ring emitting mass amounts of energy for the taking.

Nuclear Energy produces between 20,000 to 30,000 times more energy than what it took to make it.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 11, 2009, 02:48:09 AM
Hi Tito.

I have already started the Beta Isotopes list in Database format that way anyone can use it with graph charts or presentations or what not.

The Chart will not contain.

1. anyother decay modes besides Beta- emissions, Beta- only.
2. No Beta emitting Isotopes that are less than a year in half life. only the Isotopes that have a year or greater in half life will be listed.

I got a little detoured by the Octoberfest German Festival today but I did get some work done.

not to much longer.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on October 11, 2009, 03:20:55 AM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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...the shorter the half life the more dangerous the isotope. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

That's right.  This guy(Hahn) wasn't dealing with short half-life elements, but he didn't have to.  He was turning himself into the next Madame Curie.
Short life isotopes are a lot worse than something like U-238, with a half life of 4.46 billion years.
Quote
a material that emits its own electrons! and collects it's own Electrons, Stores its own Electrons up until the Electrical potential saturates it, when fully self charged it would look like a highly ionized toroid ring emitting mass amounts of energy for the taking.
#2,847,585
Converts radiation to electricity.  (There might be up to 10-15 more like this.)

--Lee
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dag57 on October 11, 2009, 05:12:25 AM
hi everyone, i'v been reading your thread and enjoying it, would like to get a copy of the nikola tesla book mentioned in an earlyer post if anybody has a copy they would post or knows where to find it. the book mentioned is nikola tesla on his work with alternating currents and their application to wireless telegraphy. i've searched google several times but have not found a copy i can download anywhere yet. thanks! dag :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 11, 2009, 10:09:14 AM
well,I'd like to have that book too! Unfortunately it is not available for download on internet.However if you are in USA you can buy it, for me it's just too costly to sent it to Europe.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 11, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
well,I'd like to have that book too! Unfortunately it is not available for download on internet.However if you are in USA you can buy it, for me it's just too costly to sent it to Europe.

Hi,

A detailed content and figure description and several pages are here:

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#A7

rgds, Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 11, 2009, 06:16:11 PM
I am going to hold off on any database work today because I have to prepare the house for rain/snow season, I'll see about tonight to do some more work.

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 11, 2009, 07:01:10 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

That's right.  This guy(Hahn) wasn't dealing with short half-life elements, but he didn't have to.  He was turning himself into the next Madame Curie.
Short life isotopes are a lot worse than something like U-238, with a half life of 4.46 billion years.#2,847,585
Converts radiation to electricity.  (There might be up to 10-15 more like this.)

--Lee

Hi Lee.

I remember the Boyscout, quite a story.

It is pretty much research, if I was to build a beta reactor it would be a Tritium based reactor, the ampules that contain the Tritium are thick enough to prevent a Geiger counter from detecting it so shielding is easy to accomplish against the low level energies of Tritium.

Jerry
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 12, 2009, 12:36:46 AM

hi jerry don't worry JUST TAKE YOUR TIME  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on October 12, 2009, 12:53:45 AM
gyulasun said:
Quote
A detailed content and figure description and several pages are here:
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#A7
rgds, Gyula
@Gyula
Good book.
I found that on the smallest print size in the browser of this computer, it's 48 pp.  Those drawings are more than merely *informative*.  Some I never saw before.  I should print off a copy while I have the money now.

--Lee
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dag57 on October 12, 2009, 04:16:39 AM
thanks @ all, if i get my hands on the tesla book i'll try and post it; till then i'll check out the website mentioned...dag
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on October 12, 2009, 05:16:56 AM
thanks @ all, if i get my hands on the tesla book i'll try and post it; till then i'll check out the website mentioned...dag
Would this one help?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/915062/The-Lost_Journals-of-Nicola-Tesla

(A lot of descriptive material, with few photos or drawings.  155pp.)

--Lee
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 12, 2009, 08:29:36 AM
I have posted the Pure Beta Emitter Isotopes Database report here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8160.new#new

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 13, 2009, 01:38:05 AM
I have posted the Pure Beta Emitter Isotopes Database report here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8160.new#new

Jerry 8)

Thanks buddy  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gsmsslsb on October 14, 2009, 01:28:09 PM
some part you are correct, actually you are making it complicated its just easy ok.  ;D

by the way i'm not using spark gap better to use diode and capacitor and magnet ok.

I am trying to grasp how the diode, capacitor and magnet take the place of the spark gap to supply a disruptive discharge.
One of the only things that I can remember that uses a capacitor and spark gap is the free energy generator from tom bearden. With the magnetic field from the magnet and the electric field from the capacitor crossing eachother but as far as I know noone has ben able to harvest the energy.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 15, 2009, 12:23:57 AM
when we put electrolytic cap in reverse polarity to normal electric circuit it would blow or be damaged but .... maybe there is a possibility to charge it that way really really fast and it will do something inside and become charged as always  ? is this possible ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 15, 2009, 02:43:30 AM
@forest
Interesting idea but why electrolytic cap? one could use a normal one.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 15, 2009, 10:11:39 AM
@forest
Interesting idea but why electrolytic cap? one could use a normal one.

look at bearden schematic with deganerative semiconductor
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 15, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
can you charge capacitor faster then current can flow inside ? like Bearden said - by using only potential to realign the rest of electrons which are there for sure

how ?
is there a method of charging capacitor which is faster then relaxation time ? how we can charge capacitor with very short and rapidly changing voltage spike to full capacity in short time ? can we convert HV spike into constant current just inside capacitor ? what is equal to charging capacitor with constant current for infinite time while being a finite short time action?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gsmsslsb on October 16, 2009, 06:33:53 AM
can you charge capacitor faster then current can flow inside ? like Bearden said - by using only potential to realign the rest of electrons which are there for sure

how ?
is there a method of charging capacitor which is faster then relaxation time ? how we can charge capacitor with very short and rapidly changing voltage spike to full capacity in short time ? can we convert HV spike into constant current just inside capacitor ? what is equal to charging capacitor with constant current for infinite time while being a finite short time action?

After reading teslas ozone patent I think that may be what is happening.
He is using the spike from the colapsing field in thr motor windings and the coil to chage the cap.
then he dumps that from the cap through the primary of the coil.
Maybe this is what Tito L Oracion is doing.
That way you can just stack them up as many times as you need to with each cap dumping into a coil and collecting the spike in another cap.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 16, 2009, 11:59:08 AM
Maybe the trick is in the dielectric.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 16, 2009, 12:37:52 PM

maybe the trick is to charge capacitor with very fast voltage spike across changing in time resistance which depends on voltage
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 16, 2009, 06:34:59 PM
Ok forest. I saw this video over a year ago but I did not give it much credibility yet you seem so sure. I just bought some huge capacitors. If it is so easy, we shall all be having free electricity by Xmas!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: samedsoft on October 16, 2009, 07:07:18 PM

maybe the trick is to charge capacitor with very fast voltage spike across changing in time resistance which depends on voltage

Can you use same capacitor on both sides. And start with with one cap at 24 V?

After you charge other one to 200 Volts you can show on camera.. Then you discharge charged cap to 0 and do it again...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 16, 2009, 07:45:22 PM
Here is a better one : http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum#p/u/0/Q6q77SZlE4Y

Look at the end for schematic, it's now more clear then previous , I hope this is still the same effect.

I saw all those videos last year and overlooked one fact.
This capacitor is never connected to battery source in closed loop !
In fact each time when it is connected to battery - it's also SHORTED!

So - YES ! it is Bearden method of charging without current ! Current flow through the coil and back to the battery while in the same time capacitor is in short-circuit.

Did I overlooked something ?

Once Tito said something about WING EDGE effect, and if you follow other thread there is Ali who invented electrical analogy to siphon effect.
Maybe it's one and the same ?

A spike of current flow through the coil and meet capacitor. Now there are where Wing Edge or Spihon effect HAS TO occur. I really have no explanation what is going on later..I have just a few ideas.At least 3 he he  ;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 16, 2009, 07:48:58 PM
::)

http://sssf.byethost31.com/physics1/13961.htm
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 16, 2009, 09:12:03 PM
One thing about the 3 metals vid, is the input voltage is different for each one. When he did the copper, the input was 3v higher than the others, which could make up the difference in the outcome.
But I am liking this whole idea beyond that vid.
I suppose the capacitor dumping into the coil has much more brute force compared to a battery. So the impedance initially will be greater at the coil using a cap instead of the battery, thus not much being taken from the cap compared to the battery, but the effect is greater.
Keep it up guys, this is very good. =]
Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on October 16, 2009, 10:19:25 PM
@ Forest

I very much liked reading the - a bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly - you posted and the Wing Edge effect, I watched the video and took a screen capture of the circuit (see below).

I'm also attaching a picture from Tesla's patent 577670  as I can see a Wing Edge effect because in this patent Tesla was using a 1/3 ON to 2/3 OFF timing circuit which is like an energy pump to the capacitor(s) rapidly firing while also charging the next cap in succession, the circuit is brilliant!

The third pic I'm attaching may not be relevant, it's been on my mind for awhile just never tried it.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on October 17, 2009, 12:27:55 AM
@ All

Can anyone replicate Tesla's patent in the Tesla_577670.jpg image to a solid state circuit?

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 17, 2009, 12:38:20 AM
Here is a better one : http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum#p/u/0/Q6q77SZlE4Y

Look at the end for schematic, it's now more clear then previous , I hope this is still the same effect.

I saw all those videos last year and overlooked one fact.
This capacitor is never connected to battery source in closed loop !
In fact each time when it is connected to battery - it's also SHORTED!

So - YES ! it is Bearden method of charging without current ! Current flow through the coil and back to the battery while in the same time capacitor is in short-circuit.

Did I overlooked something ?

Once Tito said something about WING EDGE effect, and if you follow other thread there is Ali who invented electrical analogy to siphon effect.
Maybe it's one and the same ?

A spike of current flow through the coil and meet capacitor. Now there are where Wing Edge or Spihon effect HAS TO occur. I really have no explanation what is going on later..I have just a few ideas.At least 3 he he  ;D

Hi Forest,

My understanding on the circuit shown in the video is that when the two switches are activated, current is taken from the input source (either from a battery or from a capacitor), hence energy is CONSUMED from the source.

And when the switches are opened, the flyback pulse from the coil charges up the output capacitor (Notice there must be a certain time difference in the switch-off operation of the switches with respect to each other so that the flyback pulse should be able to charge up the output cap before the circuit is fully opened with the switch in series with the coil).

So my question is why is it said that charging the cap cost no current (from the input source)?

Current is actually taken from the source by the coil, hence the magnetic energy thus created in the coil is transferred into a capacitor from the flyback pulse's energy.  Normally these two energies (i.e. the one stored in the coil and the one received in the capacitor) are pretty much the same (the difference comes mainly from coil losses).

It would be good to know the self inductance of the coil and make some calculations to compare the magnetic energy stored in the coil and the electric energy captured from the flyback pulse and collected in the capacitor.

Thanks,  Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 17, 2009, 12:41:03 AM
What is Wing Edge Effect? My search returned nothing.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 17, 2009, 11:14:07 AM
Look at the place of coil and switch.IMHO if that was charging by flyback that would recharge source capacitor or battery. How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?

To make it clear someone should test a modified circuit but I really don't know if correct switching could be done in such case.

(I have no room to fully make down switch but you should see what I mean.)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 17, 2009, 11:18:02 AM
What is Wing Edge Effect? My search returned nothing.

"A wing is a device which encourages the air to flow over it so that when it leaves the rear wing edge, the air moves downwards. That produces a thrust upwards on the wing. A smoke-filled wind tunnel shows this beautifully with curling eddies of smoke flicking off the wing edges. Unfortunately to make a good eddy takes time. The wing has to move a few times its own length to get things started. This makes it tricky if you are going to flap as the maximum travel of a wing is about its own length and very little lift is generated for most of the stroke. Nature has come up with a number of interesting solutions to this problem of which the "clap-fling" is a good example. When a small bird or insect wants to take off it needs a lot of lift. What it does is bring its wings together above its back so they clap, expelling air from between them. As the wings are separated, air is drawn quickly in to fill the void. The wings are flung apart and lift is generated immediately as the air is already in motion in the correct way. "
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 17, 2009, 12:24:36 PM
Look at the place of coil and switch.IMHO if that was charging by flyback that would recharge source capacitor or battery. How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?

To make it clear someone should test a modified circuit but I really don't know if correct switching could be done in such case.

(I have no room to fully make down switch but you should see what I mean.)

How flyback can be generated in unconnected part of circuit which has no coil ?

Yes, I also pondered on this question since yesterday and revise the flyback explanation as follows:

1)  both switches get closed, current is taken from the input source and flows into the coil  (the amount of peak current is for instance 23.2V/4.7=4.93 Amper, 4.7 Ohm is the DC resistance of the coil, 23.2V is in the input capacitor 7500uF)

2) now the second switch (that is in parallel with the output capacitor 35uF) gets open, the first switch should still remain closed)

3) the output capacitor starts charging up because the previous current that was flowing the moment before opening the second switch should change due to the appearance of the output capacitor in an already series LC circuit, to this current change the coil should respond by a flyback pulse (the previous current gets reduced as the output capacitor charges up, this causes the current change)

4) now the first switch is opened (and it must be opened in the moment when the voltage across the output capacitor just peaks, this occurs when most of the magnetic energy stored so far in the coil swings over to the output capacitor, like in a normal series LC resonant circuit).

So I think a magnetic - electric energy transfer happens in the series LC circuit and this explains the importance of timing of the switches, sorry for my previous explanation was not a detailed one, I know flyback pulse comes about in the moment of switching off the current in a coil but then the pulse cannot really charge up a capacitor that is already NOT connected,  (maybe the flyback energy goes via the spark when the first switch is opened?).

Your modified circuit with using a third switch could test the dilemma of where the charge come into the output capacitor from: it comes from the energy swing of the LC resonant circuit or from "outside" like from aether...
But how do you think the timing of the third switch wrt the other two switches?

Regards, Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wings on October 17, 2009, 03:17:34 PM
my feeling multipactor and also spark effect

enclosed a reading on spark effect

.... if I remember well the best effect with copper that have more free electrons

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 19, 2009, 12:53:52 PM
hi everyone good day  ;D

YOU'RE ALMOST THERE, TRY MAKE IT MORE WEIRD  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 19, 2009, 02:19:42 PM
hi everyone good day  ;D

YOU'RE ALMOST THERE, TRY MAKE IT MORE WEIRD  ;D

Ha! But who is almost there ? wings ?
Tito I can feel how it works but we need a bit more mysterious tips ,please - about how to make the simplest circuit.

It's accumulation of energy ,which can be done when capacitor is disruptively discharged AND then capacitor is INSTANTLY recharged . I'm 100% sure about it.
The rest is how to get this energy by magnetic induction probably using strange coil configuration which doesn't obey Lenz law, but we are first need to learn how to accumulate this energy.

Does video link I posted IS the effect of instant recharging capacitor as Bearden said - without taking current from power source ? Electrons trapped in big coil ?
Small kick converted into current kick ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 19, 2009, 03:27:25 PM
hi everyone good day  ;D

YOU'RE ALMOST THERE, TRY MAKE IT MORE WEIRD  ;D

Based on the above circuit Wingedge2.JPG, I think what Tito is trying to say is the above circuit lacks at least one complete transformer somewhere. Now that transformer could be one primary to 1 to 10 secondaries, or 1 to 10 primaries to 1 secondary, however you need the output.

I would say the following changes. Remove the top switch but keep the dots and remove the bottom switch and connect the black and white dots to make a green dot. Add a transformer between the top switch black and white dots. Add a switch between the top black dot and new bottom green dot. All you need is two switches. One shorting switch to create the damped wave (new center switch), and another to divert the flyback to the battery positive (the existing switch on the cap).
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 19, 2009, 06:43:22 PM
Based on the above circuit Wingedge2.JPG, I think what Tito is trying to say is the above circuit lacks at least one complete transformer somewhere. Now that transformer could be one primary to 1 to 10 secondaries, or 1 to 10 primaries to 1 secondary, however you need the output.

I would say the following changes. Remove the top switch but keep the dots and remove the bottom switch and connect the black and white dots to make a green dot. Add a transformer between the top switch black and white dots. Add a switch between the top black dot and new bottom green dot. All you need is two switches. One shorting switch to create the damped wave (new center switch), and another to divert the flyback to the battery positive (the existing switch on the cap).

I'm not sure if I got it.The coil stores magnetic field and electrons (partly,slower ones) and then there is a flyback generated but where ?

wattsup ,please give us schematic of your proposition ! Talking with other people about circuit not put on schematic is very hard.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Kator01 on October 19, 2009, 06:57:25 PM
Hi all,

may be this ties in here :

Self-Energy of a asymetrical Capacitor

Dr. Eugene's video:

Dr. Eugene's blog site:
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com (http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com)

Regards

Kator01

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 19, 2009, 08:07:21 PM
@forest

All such schemes generally boil down to the Tesla Ozone Patent. I did some quick changes (nothing fancy) to show you a circuit that should be burned in the brains of all aspiring OUers. This will get the juice flowing in two directions with great damped waves that tesla says is the only real way of driving something with the least battery consumption possible.

If you look in The Tesla project thread, it is pretty well explained there. The key is the final transformer and how you go about transforming the high produced voltaged into lower voltage and higher amperage. That second capacitor switch I marked as optional since you don't really need it because the flyback will return to the source anyways, just with this one switch. I am sure Tito used this as a place to start and he added from there, probably more and more left coils, more and more transformers coils, and even more and more caps. I'd hate to put my finger on his device when it made some flyback. Ouch. You see, if he is producing 1200 watts, he must therefore be playing with 1200 watts, in a way that his supply batteries are not being depleated.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 19, 2009, 09:40:31 PM
@forest

All such schemes general boil down to the Tesla Ozone Patent. I did some quick changes (nothing fancy) to show you a circuit that should be burned in the brains of all aspiring OUers. This will get the juice flowing in two directions with great damped waves that tesla says is the only real way of driving something with the least battery consumption possible.

If you look in The Tesla project thread, it is pretty well explained there. The key is the final transformer and how you go about transforming the high produced voltaged into lower voltage and higher amperage. That second capacitor switch I marked as optional since you don't really need it because the flyback will return to the source anyways, just with this one switch. I am sure Tito used this as a place to start and he added from there, probably more and more left coils, more and more transformers coils, and even more and more caps. I'd hate to put my finger on his device when it made some flyback. Ouch. You see, if he is producing 1200 watts, he must therefore be playing with 1200 watts, in a way that his supply batteries are not being depleated.

Nice circuit, but I don't like the idea of removing second switch near capacitor which you marked as optional. Without that switch capacitor is simply charged from power source.
This is not what we are looking for! Not charging capacitor and supply back flyback to battery to keep it charged.
No no no ! That way is a common mistake and maybe disinformation.
We are looking for instant capacitor recharge system so we will be able as Tesla did store energy in capacitor then discharge it many thousands times per second.
This is impossible with capacitor charged from power source because recharging process takes a lot of time .

Take a small capacitor able to store 1W and release such 1W in abrupt impulse.
Then discharge disruptively such capacitor 2000 times per second.You've got 2000W floating power in circuit. We all know about disruptive discharge,that's easy part.What we don't know is : how to recharge capacitor instantly and surely that it's impossible with normal electron current in normal electric circuit.

Something is extraordinary here. Hmm...what about one plate capacitor <-> two plates capacitor conversion ? is that the key of converting voltage kick into current kick ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: carbonc_cc on October 20, 2009, 08:29:32 PM
A capacitor that charges/discharges very fast is called a conductor or wire.  The only reason it doesn't hold a charge is because it has already discharged the moment it was charged.  Unless the conductor is wrapped in a coil.  Then it will hold a charge for a bit longer due to the Inductance effect.  But then its discharge will take longer too.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 20, 2009, 08:30:11 PM
@forest

I agree with you that it seems far fetched but you just don't understand the circuit. Think of it like you are playing with a Slinky toy. Every time the slinky wave reaches the top most part of the curve, it turns a fan.

An inductor will discharge when disconnected, a capacitor will discharge when connected.

I really don't have time to get into a heavy duty discussion of this, because I am trying to focus on a few main things right now, but I would recommend you look at the following annimation I made some time ago and read the post just above it by @allcanadian.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg80110#msg80110

When Tesla made that Ozone Patent, the production of ozone was just an excuse. In the patent, he only put a few lines regarding ozone itself, not even any normal mention of pounds or grams per hour production that anyone with an ozone invention would be eager to explain. So you can understand he did not really care what the device was producing. That capacitor was charging and discharging very fast. Ultimately you will get to a point were the only real thing holding back any major advancement in such pulsing schemes will be the pulsing medium used, and how long it will last. I have found that although mosfets are convenient and they will last long enough if you stay away from the resonance frequency (otherwise they toast) another fun method to play around with this is using a solenoid coil with a reed switch inside. I explain some of that here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg129703#msg129703

But anyways, maybe I should not have said anything for the risk of steering you in a wrong path. I am sorry about that. One thing though. I will be redoing this scheme soon. I recently purchased two rather large high voltage transformers and will be driving them this way so when I get to it, I will post for sure on the forum. The idea will be to do it bigger but slower so I stay away from the destructive resonance point.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 20, 2009, 10:01:03 PM
@forest

I agree with you that it seems far fetched but you just don't understand the circuit. Think of it like you are playing with a Slinky toy. Every time the slinky wave reaches the top most part of the curve, it turns a fan.

An inductor will discharge when disconnected, a capacitor will discharge when connected.

I really don't have time to get into a heavy duty discussion of this, because I am trying to focus on a few main things right now, but I would recommend you look at the following annimation I made some time ago and read the post just above it by @allcanadian.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg80110#msg80110

When Tesla made that Ozone Patent, the production of ozone was just an excuse. In the patent, he only put a few lines regarding ozone itself, not even any normal mention of pounds or grams per hour production that anyone with an ozone invention would be eager to explain. So you can understand he did not really care what the device was producing. That capacitor was charging and discharging very fast. Ultimately you will get to a point were the only real thing holding back any major advancement in such pulsing schemes will be the pulsing medium used, and how long it will last. I have found that although mosfets are convenient and they will last long enough if you stay away from the resonance frequency (otherwise they toast) another fun method to play around with this is using a solenoid coil with a reed switch inside. I explain some of that here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg129703#msg129703

But anyways, maybe I should not have said anything for the risk of steering you in a wrong path. I am sorry about that. One thing though. I will be redoing this scheme soon. I recently purchased two rather large high voltage transformers and will be driving them this way so when I get to it, I will post for sure on the forum. The idea will be to do it bigger but slower so I stay away from the destructive resonance point.

I now know what you mean, I think.Wondeful! Did you resolved how to get output from transformer without disrupting this process ?
Maybe arrangement of elements should be changed to get radiant energy effect on transformer ?

I will tell you how in my opinion that radiant effect is produced. On a peak of DC impulse sent into transformer/coil ,magnetic field is collapsing and changing direction.In correct moment another DC pulse should be generated on transformer/coil  a little bit stronger that collapsing one.  In small amount of time those two fields look like a hollow sphere sound source because the collapsing field and increasing field nullify each other effects except small area far from the source (coil) when second impulse was stronger then collapsing one.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 28, 2009, 03:05:58 AM
Hi everyone good day  ;D

by adding carbon fusion technology, we can eliminate some transformers and still powerful.  8)

ozone patent is the best, by making some editing in the circuit you can make a cool device.  8)

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Tito

Do you mean that we should add something to primary or rather secondary ?

I will tell you what I think. If discharge circuit in Tesla ozone patent is working in resonant frequency (make& break done with correct timing to allow that) then because circuit here is parallel resonant LC circuit it has infinite impedance and is basically an open circuit for power source. So there is no consumption of power during disruptive discharge of capacitor. In the same moment however there is series LC circuit : high self-induction coil and distributive capacitance of line.That is charging circuit. This circuit has to be also in resonance to maximize voltage/power stored in magnetic field and minimize time of storage. I don't know how that relates to impedance (still didn't learned much about series resonant circuits). Anyway - it's obvious that make&break must be done at the resonance with both circuits (maybe at resonant frequency of charging circuit and higher harmonic of discharge circuit)

Two interesting points :
1. In LC parallel resonant circuit , when impedance is infinite - can we still add energy to such circuit by interrupting it at higher harmonic frequency and charging from fast inductive discharge from charging circuit ? Would be WONDERFUL ! because applied impulses will be accumulated...
2. Maybe we can add another capacitor , this time to the charging circuit in such way that we effectively make a parallel resonant circuit along with series resonant circuit  AT THE SAME FREQUENCY. We would get a charging circuit which is storing energy but which impedance is fast rising and power source do not add much energy - no need to short-circuit with a lot of drained amps from power source to charge high self-induction coil!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 28, 2009, 09:46:05 AM
Tito

Do you mean that we should add something to primary or rather secondary ?

actually i'm adding primary to secondary to convert small kick into big kick!  8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
actually i'm adding primary to secondary to convert small kick into big kick!  8)

I thought about this for a long time but I dismissed it because I thought it would damage capacitor.
Look at the picture. I've done variation of it with car coil which is flyback but in my case secondary was not connected back to the circuit.I wonder if that could be done using a carbon resistor from HV back to capacitor.Never checked such circuit however.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 10:49:17 AM
corrected circuit a bit
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 28, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
Tito
Can this idea you have going, be used in lets say a bedini circuit to improve upon it?
Thanks
Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on October 28, 2009, 11:53:27 AM
Hello all,

@forest

the first method....why not to switch the minus?

your last picture.....its maybe Tesla but its for sure Bearden. Try this ....play with this ....explore it.... its a fine setup.
Maybe you can make it work.

Otto
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 12:04:13 PM
Magluvin

IMHO   this idea makes Bedini very very obsolete.
It's like comparing toy car with real car (not the big however but that's the problem of components used )  ;D
For start I would like to get 9V battery and use it continuously without depleting, to power my electric kettle (2400W) :o  Damn tea boiling in winter raised my electric bill 200%  :o

Tito
Do I need to add something "extra"  to the secondary now to get "cross" ?  Does it require additional resonant circuit to catch energy into cap or simple a few transformer like on wire without bothering to be in resonance with secondary ? Did you read Colorado Notes ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 12:17:41 PM
I'm wondering how to find the correct equation for output power in case of stepped up voltage and how it depends on frequency ???

It has to be related to bouncing done in secondary,so it looks like a point inside a resonating cavity which is affected by the same wave going through and back at some frequency.
Still I cannot understand how it convert voltage kick into current kick . Maybe it's because the same amount of charge on secondary is now running back and forth much faster then on primary ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 12:24:11 PM
oouch ! so we have higher wave amplitude (voltage), higher frequency (wave bouncing) which also means higher amperage (because amps is charge moving in time, speed up them and you rise amps) - IF that effect can move small current (bounce it along with voltage wave) sent from primary to the secondary by Tesla method or resonance

And that all for free for some time up to the ringdown of bouncing of the secondary ? it look weird  :o it look impossible , crazy ! am I going nuts ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 28, 2009, 12:47:59 PM
Forest
I feel where you are coming from, but if his "way" can take advantage of a small, simple generator charge, and have no battery, that would be a nice little project sitting on the table to show proof of concept.
If it doesnt take anything from the battery, then it wont take anything from the generator either, and if the output is good, we could run the bedini (efficient) to drive the generator that has no load. OU, isnt it? A little vicious circle.
Its just easier and cheaper to experiment small.

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 01:07:05 PM
It takes from battery but you can minimalize amount of power taken  IMHO  Because output power can be huge you can divert part of it back to close the loop and remove battery. Isn't that simpler then using Bedini wheel ? Look at Kapanadze device or Willis magnacoaster. The goal is to have battery only as a starter.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 28, 2009, 01:17:24 PM
That is fine. Lets say I just give it a spin, without a battery to start, that would be good also.
Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 28, 2009, 03:03:36 PM
Not that I know what Tito is actually doing to get his setup going, but I see caps in series with coils, and I hear Tesla saying pulse the coil with a charged cap.
I have tried some experiments with a coil being induced buy a rotor with magnets and using caps in series with it to induce voltage across another coil that isnt near the rotor. Then I use a reed to pulse the second coil and taking the bemf from that to charge another cap. The rotor driven coil has much less drag on it compared to without the caps and Im still getting some high voltages to my final cap. I am trying things.
But Tito-wan-kenobe is our only hope!  Thus far. =]

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 28, 2009, 07:05:37 PM
Like this experiment I just completed, using 2 nimh AA batteries, 1 reed and a drive coil to get a simple pulse motor running. The bats are 2.5v in series.
Then I used a diode on one side of the drive coil, and a wire from the other side of the drive coil to charge a separate capacitor with the bemf. The cap gets charged to 25v. Then I added 1 reed close to the rotor that pulses another coil, away from the rotor, and that bemf stored in the first cap is pulsed into the second coil, its bemf is rectified to another cap, which is up to 150v.
Now if I add another reed, coil (away from the rotor), rectifier and cap, will I get 400v to 500v?  This may be what Tito is doing. How far can it go?

Took 5 min since the last line I wrote and added another coil in parallel with the one not near the rotor, coils not identical, and now the output is 210v. All from just using the bemf of the drive coil as a source.

Reeds, I need another reed.

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 28, 2009, 07:14:13 PM
One more thing. I just adjusted the second reed and the output is up to 222v.
I think I will need more heavy duty reeds to handle these voltages, as the second one tends to stick after a bit of 220v +

I am going to give the 3rd stage a shot in a lil bit when I get another reed.

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 29, 2009, 05:58:55 AM

Ok, I uploaded a vid on the 2 stage setup. I had a bit of reed problems and when the rotor is running it covers my voice a bit, but I think it shows what is going on. Ill do a cleaner vid tomorrow if necessary.
I think a 3rd stage will pop something. The way its going, a 3rd stage could give 2700v, about.

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 29, 2009, 10:53:49 AM
Like this experiment I just completed, using 2 nimh AA batteries, 1 reed and a drive coil to get a simple pulse motor running. The bats are 2.5v in series.
Then I used a diode on one side of the drive coil, and a wire from the other side of the drive coil to charge a separate capacitor with the bemf. The cap gets charged to 25v. Then I added 1 reed close to the rotor that pulses another coil, away from the rotor, and that bemf stored in the first cap is pulsed into the second coil, its bemf is rectified to another cap, which is up to 150v.
Now if I add another reed, coil (away from the rotor), rectifier and cap, will I get 400v to 500v?  This may be what Tito is doing. How far can it go?

Took 5 min since the last line I wrote and added another coil in parallel with the one not near the rotor, coils not identical, and now the output is 210v. All from just using the bemf of the drive coil as a source.

Reeds, I need another reed.

Magluvin

Hi there!  ;D

very good !!! see the amplification?

the only thing now is the controlling mechanism ok, and that is easy

its fun isn't it  ;D

just be careful cause its dangerous  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 29, 2009, 11:00:54 AM
Tito
Can this idea you have going, be used in lets say a bedini circuit to improve upon it?
Thanks
Magluvin

big yes! of course, and  possibilities are unlimited

hi! everyone, try to used also some hinges and carbon rod for a heavy duty contacts ok. ready made from hardware  ;D

just make a simple push ok  ;D

i'm telling you they are very cheap  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 29, 2009, 11:49:06 AM
my device is something like this ok

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3493651/diy_free_energy_watch_how_to_build_electro_magnetic_generator_and_light_up_your_house_for_free/

i mean, it work like this ok.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 29, 2009, 12:11:05 PM
Hi there!  ;D

very good !!! see the amplification?

Hi Tito,

We have seen voltage amplification so far but the title of this thread is Energy amplification.  Unfortunately the two are different.

It would be very convincing to make some real input -- output power measurement comparisons.

If it is difficult to make, then just feed back some part of the output power to the input via a (preferably stabilized) DC-DC converter which may be a simple power supply able to receive 250-300V DC input from one of the capacitors and downconvert it to the needed 3-5V DC.  Computer power supply from the junk stores or television  or CRT monitors input power supplies include such working circuits right after their mains input connection.

I do not wish to be a naysayer here of course, once you show voltage amplification, I can say yes that is correct but what about the energy levels involved?

Thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 29, 2009, 12:31:54 PM
I think energy amplification is done this way (this is my theory only):
1.You step up voltage a lot - probably to kV range
2. You have to step up or create higher frequency also
3. You inject small amount of charge from primary or from any other source (ground,air,plasma)
4. You are doing ping-pong with that charge between two points (like for example ground and ball capacitor) at chosen frequency - that why voltage is no enough, you need high frequency and correct one to do this
5.On the way of bounced charges (which run fast due to voltage and run back and forth due to highe frequency and resonance WITH THE LENGTH OF PATH) there is a load

I think this theory is simple and clear and I found it very convincing. Of course this is open path technology, but if you are stubborn you can make instead of "ping -ping" - a flow always in one direction in circle : vide TPU. The output in first case is HF HV and need probably some additional tricks to power loads (because it looks and resembles static charge ) - Tesla said you need to match load impedance (vide hairpin circuit), in case of TPU thing is simpler - you see large DC current.

Damn, I wish I could be a better practician ! Unfortunately I have "two left hands" and all I do right is investigations and  theories  :'(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 29, 2009, 01:50:41 PM
my device is something like this ok

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3493651/diy_free_energy_watch_how_to_build_electro_magnetic_generator_and_light_up_your_house_for_free/

i mean, it work like this ok.

@Tito L. Oracion

That video shows more of a Newman design. You can use the Tesla Ozone design to run the drive motor and the Newman design to generate output. Hmmmmm. Interesting.

@Magluvin

Nice video with some nice toys to play around with. A few pages back I referred to the following to show how to drive a reed switch and differences of methods for reed longevity. Plus this can give you more point for flyback return.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg129703#msg129703

Also, @gyulasun is right to say this is voltage. I have had voltage rises going up to 1500 volts. It is a good way to see how things work, and then you can work out how to concentrate the voltage into more amperage afterward.

Also, may I give you an idea about your battery power supply. In our circuits, most battery power comes in as a side stream so the higher system voltage rises are isolated from the few volts coming from the battery. But those batteries can be put in line, even with the high voltage rise. I have put 110volts through those batteries and lit some bulbs, not to full power but to see that such batteries can simply stay in line, even if there is voltage rise in that same line once the circuit is running. It becomes more of a permanently charged capacitor ready to start up the device, and stay inline as part of the voltage rise.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 29, 2009, 03:16:03 PM
gyulasun

My setup is not just voltage amplification. If I were to switch the diode on the driver circuit the other way around, I would get 250v just from the drive circuit into the cap without the 2nd stage, but try to run a load on that, nadda. By having the diode going the other way as I have it, Im only turning 2.5v into 25, but I am driving a second stage from it. Right now I have a huge .9 ohm audio coil on the second stage and it is putting out 270v. If I put a 10k resistor across the 2nd stage cap, I get 25v  and a 1k resistor , I still have 5v. If I reverse the drive circuit diode to produce 250v into a cap, not having the 2nd stage, if I put a "10k res". across the cap, I would be lucky to have 1v. Try it. It works.
So I am getting more current handling on my output than the normal bemf capture setups, even with bridge rectifiers. If I can drive a third stage, there just might be some magic there.
The third stage is coming soon.  =]

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 29, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
Hey Watts thanks.
My reeds are only .5a from reed relays at RS. I need more current handling.
I found a co. that has an great assortment to choose from. I need to get some.
I dont know how it is doing it but I got a big audio coil, .9 ohm on the second stage and the reed is holding up better than with a finer coil with more turns. And Im still getting 270v on the 2nd stage output. Its just silly.
It seems like the more turns on the second stage, the less output. Thats why in my vid I had the trifi all in parallel, more output. Im going to try some other coils today and see what I come up with. I know that big audio coil would fry my AA's as a driver coil. So there is something to this.

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 29, 2009, 05:53:13 PM
@Magluvin

If you are looking to order reed switches, maybe try and find a few three-ways or SPDT type. You can do so many things with them. Here is one example.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg84982#msg84982
Last diagram of this post.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 29, 2009, 10:01:58 PM
Hey Watts
I like those reeds. Be great for sync pulses.
Thanks
Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 30, 2009, 09:21:35 AM
Hi Tito,

We have seen voltage amplification so far but the title of this thread is Energy amplification.  Unfortunately the two are different.

It would be very convincing to make some real input -- output power measurement comparisons.

If it is difficult to make, then just feed back some part of the output power to the input via a (preferably stabilized) DC-DC converter which may be a simple power supply able to receive 250-300V DC input from one of the capacitors and downconvert it to the needed 3-5V DC.  Computer power supply from the junk stores or television  or CRT monitors input power supplies include such working circuits right after their mains input connection.

I do not wish to be a naysayer here of course, once you show voltage amplification, I can say yes that is correct but what about the energy levels involved?

Thanks, Gyula

hi sir

voltage is seen amplified, i think sir wattsup can answer you how to make a  lot of current ok.  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 30, 2009, 09:31:59 AM

hi sir

voltage is seen amplified, i think sir wattsup can answer you how to make a  lot of current ok.  ;D

hmm..is that something related to magnet ? maybe coil wound on magnet or something like that. I remember that someone said something about switching on/off strong magnetic field of neo magnet with Tesla coil
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 30, 2009, 09:34:33 AM
@Tito L. Oracion

That video shows more of a Newman design. You can use the Tesla Ozone design to run the drive motor and the Newman design to generate output. Hmmmmm. Interesting.

actually i'm driving them to a different dimension actually that is easy to make ok. and stay them away from ozone patent ha!ha!ha!   ;D

cause they are very near ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 30, 2009, 09:47:04 AM
all@

Look very carefully at this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvfi9ZpXKOY&videos=heCbKQQ_cZ8&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1

and LISTEN how Willis is describing his device
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 30, 2009, 09:51:41 AM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 30, 2009, 10:57:46 AM
This support my theory : http://www.youtube.com/user/Jdo300#p/u

bouncing of voltage waves and add many together to get much higher voltage - like a ping-pong
this is high frequency. what is going on around such wire ?
why this is not a power magnification too ? what is missing ?
I think we should compare it with normal transformer of closed loop circuit. Is something similar  happening in transformer ? If so - why there are electrons also passed from primary to secondary ? or maybe there are not passed ? damn , those electrons makes me sick  >:(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 31, 2009, 02:44:26 AM
hmm..is that something related to magnet ? maybe coil wound on magnet or something like that. I remember that someone said something about switching on/off strong magnetic field of neo magnet with Tesla coil

hi forest

yes but not just that!

to get real energy you have to combine also the carbon fusion but be very careful cause 1/2 gram of carbon can give us 8kw of POWER.  8)

well , burning circuit is just natural in my many experiment  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

be ready for that. let the magic smoke goes out lol  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

naudin has an experiment on this carbon fusion ok.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 31, 2009, 04:34:38 AM
another interesting idea.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 31, 2009, 02:54:13 PM
hi forest

yes but not just that!

to get real energy you have to combine also the carbon fusion but be very careful cause 1/2 gram of carbon can give us 8kw of POWER.  8)

well , burning circuit is just natural in my many experiment  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

be ready for that. let the magic smoke goes out lol  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

naudin has an experiment on this carbon fusion ok.

I know that the answer is partially in "The Tesla project" thread. The missing point is how to get usable output from high frequency of secondary.

Ok.A quiz.

a) magnets
b) cross
c) carbon
?

a) b) or c) or a mix ? What is your choice Tito ?  ;D

Would be nice to have equations for output power too. I can compute power in primary which I believe is expressed in secondary but because secondary is much higher voltage I really don't understand how this factor multiply power, or maybe it doesn't at all and it's just the same power only stepped up in voltage ?

It may be possible that we have a lot of power all around us but it is of too high frequency...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 03, 2009, 12:22:56 AM
I know that the answer is partially in "The Tesla project" thread. The missing point is how to get usable output from high frequency of secondary.

Ok.A quiz.

a) magnets
b) cross
c) carbon
?

a) b) or c) or a mix ? What is your choice Tito ?  ;D

Would be nice to have equations for output power too. I can compute power in primary which I believe is expressed in secondary but because secondary is much higher voltage I really don't understand how this factor multiply power, or maybe it doesn't at all and it's just the same power only stepped up in voltage ?

It may be possible that we have a lot of power all around us but it is of too high frequency...

hi forest
actually you can use magnets and carbon separately to step up power!.
i mean you can use only magnets and coils and caps to increase power or you can use carbon coils and caps ok.

why don't you make your own transformer? you can control high voltage you want ok.

sir wattsup already told the left and right coils as many as you want isn't it?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 19, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
high everybody gooday  ;D

after long reading and examination of colorado spring notes of tesla, i finally solved energy amplification!

KICK->EXPLODE -> CONVERT -> MAGNIFY->AMPLIFY=EXCESS ENERGY=FREE ENERGY=OVERUNITY  ???

it is actually convertion of small kicks into big kicks. oscillating energy from different sources, energy from different radio station, energy under the transmission lines can be convert into an unlimited very huge power!  8)

tesla once said: if a SMALL stone ice fall from top of the hill OF ICE and as the stone is rolling it becomes bigger and bigger and later becomes an avalance. is very true and can be done in electricity !  8)

very simple material and very available material can solve electricity problem !  8)

sm is right and correct !
same principle on moray device and tesla car!

yes capacitor is the most wonderful instrument ever been discovered ! i second demotion  ;D

now, why use energy in the air and atmosphere were in there is already battery  ::)
when there is a disturbance, there is an explosive effect in the caps ok.
tune in the explotion of the capacitor to the coils ok.  8)

I HOPE YOU GET IT!

IT IS FINISHED  ;D

ps: you can also get excess energy using magnification ok.

GOODBYE FRIENDS sorry for others and thank you for others.  :(

take care  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Cherryman on November 19, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
high everybody gooday  ;D

after long reading and examination of colorado spring notes of tesla, i finally solved energy amplification!

KICK->EXPLODE -> CONVERT -> MAGNIFY->AMPLIFY=EXCESS ENERGY=FREE ENERGY=OVERUNITY  ???

it is actually convertion of small kicks into big kicks. oscillating energy from different sources, energy from different radio station, energy under the transmission lines can be convert into an unlimited very huge power!  8)

tesla once said: if a SMALL stone ice fall from top of the hill OF ICE and as the stone is rolling it becomes bigger and bigger and later becomes an avalance. is very true and can be done in electricity !  8)

very simple material and very available material can solve electricity problem !  8)

sm is right and correct !
same principle on moray device and tesla car!

yes capacitor is the most wonderful instrument ever been discovered ! i second demotion  ;D

now, why use energy in the air and atmosphere were in there is already battery  ::)
when there is a disturbance, there is an explosive effect in the caps ok.
tune in the explotion of the capacitor to the coils ok.  8)

I HOPE YOU GET IT!

IT IS FINISHED  ;D

ps: you can also get excess energy using magnification ok.

GOODBYE FRIENDS sorry for others and thank you for others.  :(

take care  :)

OkÃ©, now you understand it..  Does that also mean you have a working model?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 19, 2009, 07:01:32 PM
There is one small problem : make&break controller . Tesla struggle with that problem many years.
I know we can use vacuum tubes but actually it is very hard to get the correct one,it's not common knowledge how to control it and so on.
Now  there are mosfets you would probably said, but they have intrinsic diode inside which makes oscillation in one direction quite allowed even if mosfet is closed. They are also slow in rise time and fall time of signal slope.
Don Smith is clever and he is using gas discharge protection device which is a spark gap filled with gas and already set to specific breakdown voltage.Unfortunately this device seems not available widely (it is used also in stun guns). It is clear that we have the same problems as Tesla 100 years ago but due to different reasons.

Kick=coil
Explode = capacitor
Convert = resonance
Magnify = Tesla coil (?)
Amplify = amps from volts or from reactive power

Is that what you are trying to say Tito ?

Actually I think we are inside huge ambient background . Don Smith is right.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: otto on November 20, 2009, 06:28:05 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

I dont have to read a tons of papers to know whats going on but its a different "story" on the workbench.

Otto
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 20, 2009, 06:54:36 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

I dont have to read a tons of papers to know whats going on but its a different "story" on the workbench.

Otto

Hi sir otto good day  ;D

sir what i'm trying to say is that they have the same purpose they both amplify volts and current at the same time from small kick of different sources at the atmosphere into a BIG KICK and that is what i got in his notes and discovery by amplifying the small increase in the collapsing magnetic field ok.

@ all
and here is my tip and christmass gift to all of you there: study the effect of the circuit in watersparkplug thread of energetic forum ok that's it.

if you can't get it still, sorry to all of you.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 20, 2009, 07:03:31 AM
There is one small problem : make&break controller . Tesla struggle with that problem many years.
I know we can use vacuum tubes but actually it is very hard to get the correct one,it's not common knowledge how to control it and so on.
Now  there are mosfets you would probably said, but they have intrinsic diode inside which makes oscillation in one direction quite allowed even if mosfet is closed. They are also slow in rise time and fall time of signal slope.
Don Smith is clever and he is using gas discharge protection device which is a spark gap filled with gas and already set to specific breakdown voltage.Unfortunately this device seems not available widely (it is used also in stun guns). It is clear that we have the same problems as Tesla 100 years ago but due to different reasons.

Kick=coil
Explode = capacitor
Convert = resonance
Magnify = Tesla coil (?)
Amplify = amps from volts or from reactive power

Is that what you are trying to say Tito ?

Actually I think we are inside huge ambient background . Don Smith is right.

hi forest
as i said, you only need very simple materials ok !

you analyze what tesla is always using ok!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 20, 2009, 07:08:02 AM
OkÃ©, now you understand it..  Does that also mean you have a working model?

ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! what is the sence of talking and talking if there is no model ok. what i want you to know is the process of principle of amplification!  ;)

sorry, sometimes i cannot express what i want to say ok. you bear with me please.  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 20, 2009, 07:17:07 AM
hey kooler!

why are you reading my post!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

see how sensitive i am? lol  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 20, 2009, 07:25:42 AM
sorry
i mean watersparkplug. not watergas  ;D

here:
http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 20, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
hi forest
as i said, you only need very simple materials ok !

you analyze what tesla is always using ok!

oh,you mean rotary spark gap controller :-( I don't like mechanical parts but in that case I see no other thing which "Tesla always used"
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 20, 2009, 10:18:13 AM
Tito

Is not that simple all.Actually I think most of us here knows Tesla method of conversion but what we don't know is how to compute things from start to get required amount of power and most important : how to amplify output power - meaning : how to convert Tesla coil huge volts into real power (volts x amps)

Some Russian know I'm sure (http://rutube.ru/tracks/2549834.html?v=d9b4c5c28626bb3c18b789abc02bc909) but my question : can we scale it up ? For example connecting another 100W bulb in own path to ground ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: kooler on December 21, 2009, 03:51:50 AM
Tito
i was just showing you what i been upto
my real intent was not high voltage
but you know it take alittle current to make alot voltage
so far .. i doing it with 1.5v   25-30ma's
last night i was playing with the mot
and forgot to have one hand behind me ........and zap...
my arms have never hurt for so long before...lol
before i go to a 4th stage i think i need some rubber gloves!!!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on May 28, 2010, 11:13:28 AM
Tito
i was just showing you what i been upto
my real intent was not A
but you know it take alittle current to make alot voltage
so far .. i doing it with 1.5v   25-30ma's
last night i was playing with the mot
and forgot to have one hand behind me ........and zap...
my arms have never hurt for so long before...lol
before i go to a 4th stage i think i need some rubber gloves!!!

keep up the good work buddy  ;D

cheers!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on May 28, 2010, 03:59:07 PM

:(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on May 30, 2010, 12:44:42 PM

:(

why  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on May 30, 2010, 12:58:49 PM
:( because  you ;D while we  :o and  :'( and  >:( and  :-[ and  :-\
be  :D give us more  ??? ??? ::) :P tips  and :-*  :-* not  :-X not  :P be  8)  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on May 31, 2010, 01:08:12 PM
:( because  you ;D while we  :o and  :'( and  >:( and  :-[ and  :-\
be  :D give us more  ??? ??? ::) :P tips  and :-*  :-* not  :-X not  :P be  8)  ;D

Well, if you remember the tip #2 that i gave is enough to light the world with free energy and that is very powerful and the advance technique is for my sons.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on May 31, 2010, 02:10:38 PM
tip #2 was about ? :
- capacitor discharge
- stout bar with a tail coil
- using magnets on rotary generator
- using carbon on discharge path
- amplification by positive feedback
???
my memory is falling...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on May 31, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
Tip #1:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg198942#msg198942
...A tip to all of you: study the real process or the real thing that is happening when charging many caps of at least 10K uf in high voltage dc and discharging it sequencially in a coil with secondary! the only secret here is how you connect the caps from battery and coil efficiently! thats it you have it.

offcourse you pulse it!

otits

This is an additional information to the above tip#1; it can also serve as the tip #2:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg199059#msg199059
Are you charging them all at the same time and then using something along the lines of a led chaser circuit for discharging?  ...and probably some back into the coil and some caps for useable energy?

well, partly you are correct but there is still missing, the technique of using other coil making a kick without using any current from the input and that makes excess or unlimited energy. and i got this technique in henderson file.
my device is a combination of tom bearden, henderson and bedini.

sorry i'll be busy now, i cannot respond always.

God bless
otits
Another tip:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg199184#msg199184
CAPACITOR IS THE SOLUTION!!!

And another tip:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg199188#msg199188
i think no need for measurement if you are using your device for one straight week without charging the battery and using 300 watts of power from your inverter. all i need is that it can stand everyday ok.
And finely:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg199210#msg199210
i will prove nothing but i encourage everyone to study this field if you really want to see real power!.
study the tesla's wiring style, efficiency is in there.
still tesla's technique is the superior method!. believe it or not.
And an expert's word:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg200761#msg200761
Hello all,

it seems that I was a little bit blind so I didnt see this thread. and especially the posted "Sweet drawing".

For years now Im insisting to use this drawing to build a TPU. It has to be a little bit modified because of the number of turns, connections.... Nobody was listening as always.

Tito,  your doing a great job.

Otto

Here is the "Sweet drawing" that Otto mentions:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg155915#msg155915

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on June 01, 2010, 09:39:06 AM
Ok, I remember now  ;D

Tip #1 is about charging many capacitors in series and discharge in parallel.A LOT of capacitors for small gain probably.

I think Tito later said that Tesla wiring coil method is superior just because that - we don't need so much capacitors.

Ahh...here are two methods Tito mentioned! Capacitor method and coil method. I bet first try was to use many capacitors as per tip #1. Still the superior device is using positive feedback to convert little kicks into big current kicks, that would be also the smallest and simplest in construction (not in operation of course)

I'm more interested in external power source used - is that directly tapping vacuum energy or indirectly through our Earth "wheelwork of nature" ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IndianaBoys on June 02, 2010, 04:46:24 AM
Can anyone tell us the medium and high frequencies that were being used in the TPU Flash Over video on youtube?

TPU FLASH OVER

Thanks,

IndianaBoys

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dasimpson on June 02, 2010, 07:27:29 PM
a self running machine is easy the hard part is getting a machine to self run and also power other things thats the hard part

wattsup,

While you are perfectly right about returning most of energy back to source in such way as to not deplete it but recharge, that will not explain all those devices which are self-runners with power source disconnected after first kick-start - vide Kapanadze device
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on June 02, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dasimpson on June 02, 2010, 09:21:45 PM
from what i make of his gibberish is using a joule thief this the transister works like the 2 switches the resister i guess times the opening and closing of the switches the coil is the magnetic feild also radio waves not sure about the radio but you can here them with a radio so i guess there there
the secoundry winding go a cap now dumping this into multiple caps in parallel should give ampage i guess
kinda worked that out after his 3rd or 4th comment now i geuss they are otherways but this is how i worked it out
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dasimpson on June 02, 2010, 09:24:16 PM
in the dishcarge of the cap yes but if you start this unit with load it will take longer to produce the power and the load will keep it at an accaptable usage lvl from my experements anyway the way to unload the power slowly  would be to have a volage regluater current would be drawn as needed

the hard part is to limit power , in other case device destroy itself
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Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on June 02, 2010, 09:31:59 PM
can someone explain why there is 5khz hash in in tpu output ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dasimpson on June 02, 2010, 09:36:07 PM
can someone explain why there is 5khz hash in in tpu output ?

i would say for tolerences of the unit
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on June 02, 2010, 09:36:22 PM
in the dishcarge of the cap yes but if you start this unit with load it will take longer to produce the power and the load will keep it at an accaptable usage lvl from my experements anyway the way to unload the power slowly  would be to have a volage regluater current would be drawn as needed

the hard part is to limit power , in other case device destroy itself

that's why there is 5khz hash imprinted on tpu output. it recover impulsively to the initial state.The idea is to have such clamp which allow dynamic adaptation to connected load and also shutdown device when overloaded.It's much better that normal AC fuse.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dasimpson on June 02, 2010, 09:38:25 PM
i have lost what you are talking about forest
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on June 02, 2010, 09:48:32 PM
<:->

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dasimpson on June 02, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
so you mean it can only be charged as high as load can draw ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on June 02, 2010, 10:00:53 PM
http://wise-technology.com/A%20SCIENTIFIC%20KEY.html
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: dasimpson on June 02, 2010, 10:08:47 PM
dont get how it relates to what your saying or trying to point out to me lol
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on June 02, 2010, 11:12:16 PM
sorry,nevermind
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 15, 2010, 07:45:06 AM
Hi All
I have been so very busy for a few months. But my thinking cap is always on
I went through a bout of ou depression for a bit. Just burnt out on it all.

But the past few weeks have been good to me, i believe.

So far it is just a circuit on Circuit sim v1.5h     I have done some tests at low levels compared to sim at low levels and my results were very close.

It is funny that the sim programmer starts you off with an LRC circuit when you start the program. And that is what we are dealing with here in the circuit I will give today.

Now some of what is in this circuit may seem like too much to deal with for some, very high voltages, and the freq of operation can be varied depending on the values of components. This circuit will be operating at 1.6khz according to the sim

In this circuit we will be dealing with a cap 10uf that has a 50kv rating, if such a beast exists, that will be charged to about 40kv, from a 20kv source via a very simple circuit. Then that cap will be discharged into our LRC circuit, across the coil, getting the cycle going.

I used 15 .5ohm resistors as loads all in parallel after a series off 16 diodes, 2 rows of 8, each row allowing the oscillations to continue in the circuit and providing a form of voltage regulation for the load. About 7v and down as the oscillations diminish. This give each resistor about 100w each for a bit of time. Over 1500w from 1 kick.

The circuit, when the switches are timed just right, will be close to 400kv working.   Mind you, these are just the values that I have imposed to give wow factor.  All can be scaled down and fine tuned to be what you want.
But the low freq had is impressive here.  Im not much interested in mhz and broadcasting, for now.

You can mess with the circuit as you wish.

I am going to upload the code for import to the sim here and the next post will be on how to operate and explain.
Get the circuit sim here     http://falstad.com/circuit/    The code will be in not pad format     .txt

Just for starters, putting the cursor over each component will show the spec and voltages and such in the lower right hand corner.  The source is 20kv.

The switch at the bottom right needs to be closed when charging the cap from the source and closing the switch at the top right will close that circuit to charge the 10uf cap, hold till charged. Then open the switch at the bottom right. If you dont open the switch before discharging into the LRC, the sim will have an error. So this separates things so the will work.  You will notice the cap got charged to almost 40kv. Its the inductor at the top right that gives us this ability and the diode rectifies the charge.

Now  close and hold the switch to the left of the top right switch to discharge the cap into the coil. Watch the second scope view and when the green trace hits zero, release.
When discharged on time you should have close to 400kv b boppin.

Now the time line can be seen in the lower right corner when the curser is in an open area away from the components, in the black area.  We are running slow to get the timing points visible for discharge.

Ok   Now I am going to my next post describing some things.

Some PCs will have a hard time with the sim if the pc is less than 2ghz but it will work, just a bit slow when flipping switches, checking and calculating all components being active in the circuit.
Have fun, and believe.

This is for Otto

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 15, 2010, 07:56:05 AM
Actually  I have to get to bed,     If anyone tries the circuit above in the sim    after you get the LRC going  you can delete the diodes out of the circuit  and even more power will be on the loads, but the power will be unregulated over time and the oscillations will diminish quicker.

Next step will be how to use different loads, not just heaters.  =]

Till tomorrow

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 15, 2010, 08:13:08 AM
One more thing    the charge circuit works with 12v or wutev too. Should give about 17 to 18v into the cap from the battery or any source. Its not free though, its all still coming from the source,  its the inductor that pulls the extra from the batteries and stuffs it into the cap using the diodes 1 way valve properties to null oscillations in the charge circuit .  Nifty..    But can we use that pull from the inductor to just take the EXTRA from the other side of the cap at the right time by switching away from the battery?   Would that give us more out than in?  =]

Night

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on September 15, 2010, 06:16:43 PM
Have a look!
from Grumpy
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=369.msg5377;topicseen#msg5377

UPDATE Grumpy [sigma 16] started e thread here !

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9749.msg257229#new
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 15, 2010, 11:41:31 PM
I did a screen capture of the circuit  in case someone does not wish to run the sim prog.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 16, 2010, 12:15:35 AM
here is updated code to show power out on 1 of the load resistors. They all receive the same voltage/current.
If you place the mouse pointer over the scope shots, the component for that shot will show blue in color. The last  on to the far right is the watts of just 1 load resistor.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 16, 2010, 07:03:46 PM
in the above schematic   the switch at the top of the resistor load array will disconnect the load resistors to the left.
Notice the change in power on the resistors that are still connected, not much change at all.  This would be due to the diodes regulating the voltage to the load while allowing  the oscillations to continue at the highe voltages. So the diodes help us skim off 7v to the load on each half cycle. At 400kv That will take a while to degrade, depending on freq.

If you change the value of the 100nf cap down to say 500pf, note the change in running voltage of the oscillator and the time it takes to run down. But take note of the load consumption also. The load needs to be different now.

Tesla And Tito said, a tiny cap can produce a lot of power, well I think this is what they mean.

Add more resistors, more power will come out with little change to the others, to a point.    Add more diodes in series to get higher voltages to the load, but the oscillations will diminish faster, and the loads will need to be different  in ohm value to put out similar power levels or more.

Remove the diodes or just add in switches to disconnect them and check out the output now. This setup alone can produce tons of heat on the cheep.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 16, 2010, 09:00:49 PM

can you make video explaining what to do to obtain results ? in simulation of course but I think we would like to see it happen and how to do this.
can somebody help ? there should be free programs allwoing to make video of it
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on September 17, 2010, 01:00:46 AM
Hello Forest,
Nice to see you again!

Have you seen this very creepy guy around? > ;D<

I know Mags likes the movies ,and what he is describing sounds like a "blockbuster"
Can't wait to see the coming attractions!!

Seems like we should be able to build something here too!

Chet

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 17, 2010, 04:19:17 AM
Hey forest and Ram
Ya know, some may think that the sim may be giving false results. But this is what Tesla is telling us.

The circuit above is not tuned for resonance.  But if made to the specs above, I believe it would be very refreshing to witness.

If tuned properly, change the LRC cap down to the mid to lower pico farad range, and correct the coil, You can "vaporize wires", meaning your coil if it isnt built to handle the crushing oscillations of the voltage and speed of the currents.

Ya know , if you have great length of wire and connected it to power, its not the electrons that are going through the wire at light speed, its just the pressure waves that make it to the other end of the wire. Resistors do slow down electrons, but the impulse is light speed. Fill a 10 foot 1in pipe with ball bearings from end to end, now tap the first ball in the end of the pipe, and that last one will shoot out and the rest will stay virtually still, very little current flow.

Put some springs on the ends (capacitor) and kick it, The tighter the springs(lower farad value) the faster the oscillations.

The resistors in the charge circuit and LRC are very low, but they are needed for the program to work properly. It cannot calculate volts into a 0 ohm load, including a discharged cap. The LRC resistor at the top is not really needed, it is just there for LRC value and can be removed. The higher that resistor is in ohms the sooner the oscillations will subside.

I have a lot to post. I am going to try and produce another example tonight, that shows how we can design the circuit, using 500pf cap and lower to get a 60hz, or 50 hz output for use with house hold items.
I had it going in the sim last night, but lost my way with it. It had to do with harmonics in the waves, at high freq, that the output can be set for whatever you want, and the diode arrays regulate the output till the oscillations subside, then you kick it again, before the output drops too far.

Be back in a bit hopefully

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 17, 2010, 05:36:39 AM
ok   New code for sim.  here is a simple version that produces 60hz output into the R of the LRC. The input is just the source at 100v with a very low value resistor, so the impulse is good for simple demo. If you just tap the switch you will have a lower working voltage and output. If you hold the switch longer you will be in the mega volts. In the real world, the cap discharge would be a safer way to go as the discharge will be metered. I would avoid producing megavolts.  =]

I think this is an excellent example of amplification and a beautiful way to produce 60hz output.

It all needs to be developed, but this is the idea. This is what Teets is talking about.  The nitty gritty is building it and being able to design it for use where ever.

Fiddle as you wish.  Change the value of the cap slightly and watch the 60hz change.  Or the inductor.
Have fun

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 17, 2010, 05:57:43 AM
Here is the same code as above but included is a scope on the resistor that the source goes through to charge the circuit, or you can right click any component and put up a scope shot, and you can right click each scope to change what parameter you want to watch.
Well this added scope will show the power consumed in the startup discharge and you can see for yourselves, the output is more.   If you tap the switch, to say use 400 watts from source, then compare to the load resistor at the top of the LRC, More power to ya.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 17, 2010, 06:09:33 AM
To amend what I stated above, the output is not more during that same time frame as the input, but it is after a couple cycles and the cycles keep coming.

Its funny how the LRC circuit is kind of common place in electronics, and the sim prog starts ya off with it.

I wonder what other things are right in front of our eyes and we never know their potential till we fiddle.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on September 17, 2010, 06:18:23 AM
Hi Magluvin,

I'm not sure of this sim because I was working on a similar circuit a while back over on this thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9111.0

I could get it up to 50KW before the sim would crash out. I have never replicated a real circuit of it. I also have another circuit sim that will run a 15 ohm resistor as a heating element up over 1KW from a 5v input which isn't posted.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 17, 2010, 07:08:36 AM
Hi Dreams

I do get times when it stops due to errors. Like the 2 switches I had to use in the first large circuit above, for some reason, if the is a diode in an open end circuit with another component, she will error. But if you disconnect one end of the diode strings, no error. And it mostly happens when the lrc is oscillating. But in the real world we might not need to use both switches.

In the first circuit, if you understand how the charging circuit turns 20kv into almost 40kv, its sort of the same way the LRC is amplifying the input, just in a unidirectional way.

When we release the discharge cap from the L in the lrc, the L has all this built up potential, still headed in the same direction of current, and it bangs into mr tiny cap. And tiny cap may be small, but with the right voltage breakdown value, it will take the hit and send it right back.
A larger cap would be soft to the inductors potential, thus lower freq.

I use to do a lot of  BEMF  collecting, but I now see FEMF.    Maybe the bemf is a result of the forward emf potential swinging all the way forward, and then bemf. So maybe the FEMF has a bit more potential than its sibling BEMF.  If you watch the precharging circuit in action, the coil builds up during the charge of the discharge cap, and once the cap equals the source voltage, the inductor isnt done yet, and it sucks more from the source than what it should have dumped into the cap normally.  This is negative resistance.  Once the cap is at source voltage level, the source should have no desire to dump any more into the cap. But the inductor had inertia of sorts and it created a load, negative resistance, for the source and pumped it into the cap to the tune of a 2 for 1

But from all that I have read so far, what is happening in these circuits should be somewhere in the ball park.

Higher voltage in the circuit, the longer the oscillations will continue while shaving off some output. 7v    12v    120v   from 400kv

When I first thought of the diode strings to give the oscillator a path to continue oscillations, I thought that then I could put a high value R load without killing the oscillations, and it worked, but I did not consider the voltage drops at the time and my voltage across the load was only 5v, and my high load got nada much. so I lowered the ohms, then more, then added more in parallel and the more I put, the longer the oscillations lasted, due to low R in the LRC, and I got tremendous power out.   I played with this a good bit before I disclosed any of it.  And I believe this is good stuff.  I would love for someone with another sim to try the same to see what we can come up with here.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 17, 2010, 07:18:40 AM
Oh   Forest

I just got a prog to capture screen video    I have to check it out and see what I come up with to record this.

Good to hear from ya buddy  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 18, 2010, 04:16:31 AM
Hey DreamThinker
I looked at the circuit you presented.  I cannot say for sure, but it looks like when the switch disconnects from the inductor, that it is singing on its own. I think that the program has a hard time with diodes and having disconnects with the diode still connected to the active passive device, the inductor.  Probably in most circuitry, these situations would not be in place and all components are connected at both ends to some other circuit.

In your sim, the switch on the right opens, and the inductor should continue the current flow through the diode, but then it can not pull from the diode in the opposite direction, say bemf, if any energy is left after dumping what it had through the diode. But I seriously doubt that the inductor would retain any potential across its leads after the switch was opened.  I am supposing here.   BUT

Lets say that the switch opens, yet the inductor, with its inertia mechanism, forces more electrons than it has holes for through the diode to the source, and it may do so easily, being that the source is accepting all incoming.
Now, What might go on in the inductor, with its oscillations, if it had many open holes? Missing electrons.  Would that affect the self capacitance and the inductance, and could it be an ingredient needed to pull from the vacuum?  I never really thought of any of this before now. Im just spittin it as I type here.

Charge the coil as you show, then disconnect the coil from the circuit on the opposite side of the diode, and the inductor pushes many electrons through the diode and they cannot get back to the inductor. The coil should be 1 big positive charge just waiting for its babies to come home.  Would it just be a static charge? Static.   Is a positive electrode on a battery static when not connected to a load?

I would not put this one down till some experimenting is done, on a safe level.  At first I fully assumed that when the inductor lost its top connection, that how could the inductor retain a potential across itself connected 1 ended to a diode that will only provide and exit and no come back.
Maybe the program does not know what to do with this rectified static, and it shows it some way some how.
I would say give it a shot. Start with low inputs at first and see what a couple pulses will produce.
If it is static, if you provide an earth ground with a spark gap to the static inductor, maybe the babies wil come home, except they will be someone elses babies. lol

I will post this on your thread and here at Energy Amplification

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 18, 2010, 08:01:10 AM
.

Here is another circuit hat I designed for one of my big coils I used in my pulse motors. 2mh .42ohm and I bought some 561nf 1kv caps that come in an asortment pack from RS and each pack has 4 of these lil bad boys. Have 16.
But with the right combo of the caps, I think I can stay in the realm of just a couple of kv according to the sim.

This one will show the input power on the source side 2 ohm resistor(right bottom) and the R of the LRC 2 ohm resistor( top left).
The input takes about 1.2 kw peak and a bit more to charge the cap, and the output lasts just as long as the input charge, but is over 2kw peak.   More power out than in.

To run the sim,  close the switch on the right and hold til the 1000uf cap is charged, and notice the last scope as it shows the power used to charge the cap through the 2 ohm resistor.
Then press and hold the left switch and watch the scope of the cap and dont release till the green line hits 0 in the middle of the graph and let go, and watch the next to the last scope, as this shows the output power expended into the R of the LRC  2 ohm resistor.
Twice the output as the input, and not at some crazy high freq and not 400 kv or vaporizing coils.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 19, 2010, 02:37:24 AM
ok   here is some items that can be had for this experiment.  A 2mh coil made of 16awg wire that came from mid 80s passive sub cross-over supplies, and I have 16 560nf 1kv caps that I can arrange up to 8kv at 560nf or a few other values to work in the range of the circuit I posted last.
The key is to be able to discharge the cap into the coil with an electronic cutoff when the cap reaches 0v, or the cap will start charging the other direction and if released at other than 0v the oscillation voltage will suffer.
I have some ideas i will try electronically. Tesla used motorized rotational switching that was tuned for what he needed and could produce even a rectifying effect from it.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 19, 2010, 11:59:48 AM
yep,the key is how fast you make magnetic field around and how fast it collapse (in other ways how fast you cut off powering source)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 20, 2010, 02:08:21 AM
I was just investigating some materials on microwave oven circuitry and operation. I saved a transformer, a diode, and a cap from a scrapped unit and just wondered exactly what goes on in there. And also what can I do with these parts and what they can do for me.
I found a very interesting description of the transformers they use and why there is a gap in the center core.

Here is the description  and I found it here   http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/micfaq.htm#micwdmleak

High voltage transformer
(From: John De Armond.)

The transformer goes by several names, depending on where you are. Variable reluctance, leakage flux, stray flux, etc. It is exactly the same construction and operating principle as a neon transformer, some kinds of HID light ballasts and some series streetlight constant current transformers.

The core is an almost standard "E" core (or "H" core if you prefer) with one exception. The center leg has an air gap. The windings are on the end legs of the "E" instead of the center leg.

There are two magnetic paths around the core for the field set up by the primary to travel. Around the periphery and across the secondary and around the center leg and across the air gap. The field that travels along the center leg does not cross the secondary and induces no voltage.

With no load applied, the bulk of the field travels the peripheral, very much lower reluctance solid iron path, inducing full secondary voltage proportional to the turns ratio. As current flows in the secondary, counter-MMF raises the reluctance of the peripheral path so that some of the flux travels through the center leg. With less flux traveling around the periphery and cutting across the secondary, the secondary voltage drops as the current remains about the same. At the limit, if the secondary is shorted, the peripheral path has so much reluctance that most of the flux travels the center leg and across the air gap. The same current as before flows through the secondary but at zero volts.

When the dimensions of the core and gap are set up correctly, the transformer behaves as an almost perfect constant current device. That is, the secondary voltage varies as necessary to keep the same current flowing through a varying load. Just what the doctor ordered to keep the magnetron happy.

The secondary current can be increased by opening up the air gap. This raises the reluctance of that path and forces more field through the secondary leg. Closing the gap has the opposite effect.

The center leg is often called the magnetic shunt and frequently it is a separate piece of laminated iron stuck between the coils and TIG welded in place. It is a common trick for Tesla Coilers to open up a neon transformer and either knock out the shunt entirely or grind it down to open the air gap. This modification causes the transformer to output much more current than it is designed for - for a little while, at least :-) The same thing works with microwave oven transformers (MOT).

This design in a microwave oven is a vital part of keeping the magnetron anode current within spec. The magnetron is electrically a diode. A diode that isn't emission-limited would draw destructive current if not externally limited. With this design, the filament can be heated good and hot for long life and not have the tube run away. The design also is vital for protecting the magnetron from potentially damaging conditions such as operating the oven empty, arcing, etc.

It's popular to use several MOTs to build an arc welder. This works quite well specifically because these transformers are constant-current devices - exactly the characteristic stick welding needs. If they were conventional transformers, the first time the rod touched the work and shorted the secondary, fault current would flow and the breaker would trip or blue smoke would leak out.

Along similar lines, one can cut off the high voltage secondary and replace it with a suitable number of turns of heavy wire, connect a bridge rectifier and have a nice constant current battery charger. Select the turns carefully and it'll do the bulk/absorption stages of the smart 3 stage charging algorithm.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 20, 2010, 03:41:21 AM
Correction in the above picture,   the caps are 560pf 1kv

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 20, 2010, 09:19:26 AM
I was playing with the circuit sim today after reading your posts here.  It seems not-too-difficult to get seeming OU configurations of RLC circuits using it.  Is this maybe just a flaw with the sim?

This one appears to take 1W in for 5W out: (attached txt file for the falstad circuit sim)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 20, 2010, 01:05:29 PM
Hey Void

Flaws, yeah there can be and some bugs happen in unusual situations with configurations.

For 1, we only have a few parameters in inductors and transformers.   For example, a 2mh inductor on the sim, is it actually .42ohm like mine?
Can All 2mh coils handle the powers that can be had in the sim?  Probably not

But this guy Falstad is pretty good at this programming stuff it would seem.  And for many of the circuits that the program was designed to do, I would have to say that it is in the ballpark.
I ran a real test on the cap charge circuit in the first large circuit with all the loads in parallel, and the charge circuit works. It charges the cap to nearly twice the source. So if these functions of the inductor are correct, or even close, then I would venture to say that the function of the lrc is close also.
In fact the first circuit the prog starts with is an LRC and the voltage of the oscillator, from a source of 5v is over 10v.

Im looking into other sims to see a comparison.

Thanks for checking this out Void.   I know many have doubts.  Its very understandable. In fact this is probably a bit taboo.   I just hope it sinks in to many that havnt experienced these things yet, and it is such common stuff.

I am working on an addition to the circuit that stops the cap discharge at near zero. If you put a diode across the discharge cap, in a way that the source doesnt conduct through it while charging the cap, when you hold the discharge switch, the discharge will stop .8v past zero. If the source voltage is high enough, .8v is a tiny sacrifice for some good accuracy.  But what I want is for the switch or mosfet/mosfet bank, to turn off at the zero point.
If we release the switch and anything other than zero, the output suffers its full possibilities, but also if the switch is released before the first zero crossing, what ever is left, the source does not have to produce as much to get a full charge. So there is a possibility for some circuit control and regulation here to come up with.

Im kinda into small power at this time.  The big can come later as I get the feel for all this myself.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 20, 2010, 01:31:23 PM
Also Void and All

I had shown a circuit code above with the comparison of in and out power. I chose the 2ohm resistors in order to try and show equal loads for power measurements to be clear.  It is possible that if I used .2ohm resistors, that the power consumed by the resistor alone, may not be the total power in the lrc as a whole.   Point being, the 2ohm resistors are most likely the weak link.   Otherwise, we need to measure all components to see what the total power dissipated on each side, in/out, really is as a whole.   If the resistor is very low, its power dissipation will be very low due to low voltage across it, so now wee would need to see the power dissipated into the inductor to get a true circuit potential.

If we have 2 100 w bulbs in series, on 110v, then each would get 25w and the total would be 50w dissipated.
If we have a 500w bulb in series with a 100w bulb, the 500w may not even light up, but the 100w may be near to full power.  But just the measurement of the 100w bulb will not give the total power consumed, so what ever the 500w bulb is consuming, should be added to the 100w as a whole.   But the 100w should give a pretty good indication of high majority of power consumed as the 500w filament will be at much lower ohms than the 100w when full current is running and the 100w is hot and high.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 20, 2010, 06:27:49 PM
Mags,  thanks for taking the time to post your findings, its always a pleasure to read.

I agree the guy at falstad is definately pro (I'm a developer myself, and the guy has large math/engineering skills).

I tried altering your design in a few ways to automatically shut off current flow at 0 volts as well, with no success, I tried it using diodes as well as a combination of 555 timers and mosfets and transistors - with no luck - the problem I was having is the cutoff time was just too long.  In order to get the ringing in the RLC output portion of the circuit, it apparently needs to be an almost instant cutoff.

Thanks much
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 20, 2010, 07:03:23 PM
Hey Void
The diode is a ruff way of doing it, It does the cutoff near zero, but the switch still needs to be opened on or near that time also.
Im thinking what we need is a comparator circuit that measures the caps voltage discharge and use it for a trigger to cut the switch(mosfet, etc)  It all has to be quick. But with what we have to work with today, I think we can gitter done.

The basics of the so called amplification is here. I say so called due to it is the end result, but not conventional for most.  Now the switching needs work. And now that I get the feel of the lrc, how it works, and the required switching, The switching does not seem that hard to do after all.

Some say the mosfets wont do what Teslas did exactly, but it will work.  Lets say that a mos transistor doesnt have quite the on resistance or timing we are looking for, so what, if the input suffers a tiny bit, the output will suffer a tiny bit, but the power ratio should be similar. And the sim is showing we can get some amplification at lower voltages and freq also, and thats what I am going for.

Cold electricity is cool, lol, but I cannot say that is what we have here. Yet anyway.  Just inductors with inertial effects and caps that tune the bounce in the circuit.  Basics.

As I come up with the switching circuits I will upload the codes.   Ill send the diode on the cap tonight to demonstrate that its function is desirable here, and then work on the How To Switch  it circuit.

Thanks for giving it a shot, I could use a another good mind to help me out. =]

BBL

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gsmsslsb on September 20, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
Hello Mags and all
If you want switching at zero have you considered an SCR.
Just a thought
GSM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 20, 2010, 11:21:48 PM
Mags

Mosfets are so made they won't work of smoke immediately in case of any energy gain
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 20, 2010, 11:56:10 PM
Hey Forest
I have worked on some high end car audio amps that use mosfets in a push/pull situation.   When the amp is not drawing from the power supply, the bemf voltages can hard hit the mosfets with fairly high voltages.
Some mosfets have internal diodes. But these can be strengthened by additional external diodes.

Lets say we put a diode in series with the mosfet output or leg, and this would help contain the currents to the lrc by not allowing any back at the fet.   Sound good?    Diodes are sweet things. I would not worry about a .7v drop on the input, even at 50v or 100v.   This stuff is just pouring out of me, I dont know where I get it all from.

But im seeing that maybe the LRC may just absorb a great bit of it. I dunno, but if I fry some, we can make a soup with them.  LOL  yucky.

But good thoughts. And I just came up with the diode after the fet just now as you presented the possible problem. Keep em coming.  ;]

I will work on these problems tonight, and I think you will be impressed at what the diode on the input cap does for us. I think it will be part of the cutoff circuit as a whole.   But if it is not necessary, possibly an op amp comparator to choose the time of cutoff when the discharge cap gets really low or close to zero. Then use an inline diode to protect the mosfet/fets.

I hope that all makes sense.

I really want to try and make this work as well as possible before I build. I believe in the function of the lrc, but I need to get the switching down pat to make it happen, and in hopefully in a safe manor.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 21, 2010, 12:04:06 AM
Maybe we just werent looking close enough.   I took a screenshot of my desktop, zoomed in on the input and output power traces and used photoshop to stack them.  I also decreased the time step so we could get a close look at the waveform of the output.

It looks like while I'm getting 2.5KW on output, with 1.25KW on input, the output is in the form of a damped oscillation(I think that's the right word), so half of the apparent power isnt power.  Which incidentally also points that if you discharge the cap at optimal (0 volts) you get roughly twice the power out.  If I'm interpreting that correctly, still new to the solid state area :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 21, 2010, 01:17:24 AM
Very interesting Void. You might be right. Good work.
So we have to aim a bit higher I suppose in order to change that ratio to 4 times the input as seems apparent in my first circuit that it is beyond 4x.   I will look closer at these points you have made from here on.

And what you have found is good work. It may be depressing if what you found is all we are getting, no matter what level of play.
It is wattage/time that will account for everything.

My screen is 1440x900 and I didnt see the oscillation, yet I should have probably knew it was there due to the filled in look of the output compared to the in. My discrepancy

Anyway, I am gunna get to it after I eat dinner.  Im hungry.     I am going to still work on the switching while I have the ideas in my head.

Also remember that we are charging the cap in a less efficient manor according to Teslas Igniter description. We are just simply dumping the source into the cap. So maybe with his circuit involved, we can lower our input power quite a bit in our favor, while maintaining the same output. =]

Thanks Void

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 21, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Ya, I did the exact same thing - I was elated to see the simulated results, and yet something was nagging in the back of my mind regarding the fact that the output was a solid color...  More than resolution of your desktop, make sure you change the timestep of the scope in the circuit sim to see the actual output at a resolution you can interpret - its under Options -> Other Options -> Time Step Size.  I just reduced it by a power of 10 and was able to see the damped oscillation.

I think I've been interested in OU research for almost a year now.  I'm becoming accustomed to disappointment!  But it's not a bad thing, I don't believe.  While the knowledge I am gaining is showing me that most of what is presented that looks promising is either due to measurement errors, poor research or even disinformation distractions, it is also securing a tenuous opinion that we have taken a wrong step (or several) over the last century with regard to our understanding of physics.  Perhaps even misled, which sometimes seems far more likely.  But if we can recognize this misstep, we can correct it, and I am more convinced today than I was initially that there is an answer waiting to be discovered.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 21, 2010, 11:05:09 PM
Mags

Good idea with external diode. Think more maybe you will find some magic. The is a surprise when you use some elements combination in not-ordinary clever way.
Think about very fast diodes  ::)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 22, 2010, 01:52:27 AM
Ok fellers
Worked on this a bit and seems promising.  I have included the cutoff diode, and added a recharge circuit to the discharge cap.  We are now getting more watts out than in.  Even though the output is a waveform and not steady wattage, it is clear that we see more out.
The key here, in this circuit, was giving back to the charge cap from the lrc without killing it completely by using a diode and an inductor. The inductor helps to peal off some from the oscillations. Maybe just a resistor would work here, As in Teets first drawing, diode in series with a resistor. But i feel another reason for the inductor is to get some inertia there, maybe EXTRA coil, effects helping to recover even more from the lrc than it is giving. So that inductor needs some fine tuning to maximize the recharge if my theory is correct.

The wonderful thing is, The first time you charge the discharge cap, notice the input watts. But that is filling an empty cap, Then discharge till you see the cutoff diode do its thing then release. Notice the output watts.

Now charge the discharge cap again, what do you see?   Not the same amount of power it took to charge it the first time.  I was happy about that one.

This was a good exercise for me.  The circuit that has the 2 strings of diodes in the lrc is a bit different. The regulation properties are great, but I think I am getting some regulation here also if you see the output, and that could be the diode inductor recharge circuit. Im still messing with it.

Ok Void, have at it. If you find an issue please let me know.   This one is in a ruff state and needs fiddled, as in tuned and, well just fiddle. =]   I used my 2mh coil here as I want to build dis ting, and figure it before hand.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 22, 2010, 03:28:08 AM
Here is the circuit

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 22, 2010, 04:22:58 AM
Here are some things to think about also.
The watts measurements are of the .3ohm resistors.  The source resistor should give a very good indication of power taken from the source over a period of time.

The other R of the lrc on the left, we are only seeing the power dissipated by that resistor. We have power being dissipated in the coil, we have power being dissipated recharging the discharge cap. Those add up to plenty.

Remember what the input power was when you first charged the cap? Well thats what kind of power the lrc circuit has to do to bring it back up from zero to almost source voltage. And power the resistor we are watching in the scope. Then we only have to top it off with source voltage after the first cycle.

Next will be getting the switching automated. I was going to work on it last night till Void saw something I didnt.
Hey,  until I got home from work today, I thought of nothing else.  When I sat down at the computer and logged in, I had no clue I was going to add a recharge circuit. But it came from watching the cutoff diode and seeing the cap always empty and having to get a dump from the source in a big way. When I added the diode only at first, I maybe got a cycle and a half before the oscillator died and woopy if I got some recharge, my output was crap. And I would have been happy with just gettin half recharge potential, heck anything to help the source not have to work so hard and reduce the input cycle.
But I added a coil to the diode and vuala. She peals enough for about 90 percent recharge and the power dissipated by the resistor.  The unreal kw(short time though) it takes to charge that cap empty, we brought it down to about 15w after the first cycle, over a much shorter time than the output lasts. Tesla trix.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 22, 2010, 05:19:07 AM
Ok new circuit.   I used a diode and a coil, just all these Extra coils, to replace the switch to charge from the source so it does it automatically. It charges to the discharge cap WHILE the lrc charges, so the combo working together charges the cap even more than source. The charge on that cap begins at about 180v after power up from the 100v source, because of the coil and the diode.

So now all we have to do is turn on the power switch at the right and wait for the cap to charge. Now discharge till cutoff and release. You will notice the caps charge increases with each recharge. It will hopefully stop at some point. Naturally if the caps recharge increases after each recharge, there will be more energy in the lrc, thus more energy for recharge..

Notice the input power when you switch it on. Then watch it after the first discharge and recharge.

Ok back to work.  The input switch is solved.  =]    Now the cutoff switch. Goin with mosfets.  I gota eat foist.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 22, 2010, 05:39:43 AM
Hi everyone good day ;D

its nice to be back again though i'm sad co'z sir otto is not here anymore, may he rest in peace.

well, good digging buddy.

THIS IS FOR THE WORLD!

YOU HAVE TO TRAP THE ENERGY IN FIRSTIME YOU FEEL THE VOLTAGE INCREASE OK!

THAT IS ALSO THE MODIFICATION I MADE IN IGNITION PATENT. THE REST IS SELF EXPLANATORY OK!

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 22, 2010, 06:37:43 AM
Hey Teets.

Well it took a while, but the back of my mind was working and the answers come later.

I have some work to do and then to bed.  Im tired.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 22, 2010, 06:45:48 AM
Look Ma  No Switches

Maybe next time.  =]

1 switch to go.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on September 22, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
Mags
Yikes,
you are puttin in the hours on this bud!
Sounds like you are nippin at the heels of OU!

@Teetsla
Yes it is a real shock about Otto ,and seeing his picture

Perhaps he pulls some strings for us now?

There is something in the wind these days!

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 22, 2010, 10:12:28 PM
Mags,

That's a crazy circuit.  If the sim reflects reality - I think you've found the golden ticket.  Think its time to start duct taping together some real-world prototypes.  Its really astonishing after you've given it a few dozen pulses.  Input goes to 0W, output continues to scale, primary cap voltage keeps climbing.  It looks like your charging the primary cap both from the battery and skimming some from the output resonate oscillations.

When I set my time step sufficiently small, I just watch the input power usage, the moment it starts climbing, I release the switch.  That seems the optimal time.  Maybe that can be used as a trigger to cut off current.

Very cool Mags.

I'll attach the import code.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tenbatsu on September 22, 2010, 10:24:09 PM
Let's hope that the circuit works the same way in real life as it does in the simulation.

This could be huge, good work Magluvin.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 22, 2010, 11:57:53 PM
Thanks guys

Still more work to go. I will work on the switching more tonight.

And we will have to work on a usable output strategy. Im just happy to have a basic understanding going here.

Hey Void
I had not taken it up that high yet. But it does appear to be on its own without the battery. Have you tried to turn off the power switch and continue pulsing?  Your circuit is huge on my screen, the top and bot are cutoff. Normally if ya want to center the circuit to the screen, just add a wirer in the black and undo, but no luck. Can you retry to upload, and also re import before sending to see if all is good.  =]

Like I said, I didnt take it that far yet, but I had thoughts of what if it goes beyond where you have gotten if the source would even want to join in due to the higher potentials in the lrc and discharge cap. If we reverse the input diode, change the source to a cap and maybe thats where we can get our usable output. Maybe we have to get her up and running and then its on its own and provides output. I just came up with that.

But that sounds good dont it?  Its is now on the list.  First, automate the switching.

This is fun. And I hope everyone benefits from this.

BBL

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on September 23, 2010, 12:22:41 AM
Hi Magluvin, Void and all,

I have to catch up on reading, haven't been on the computer in a couple days, but your circuit looks promising. This could work if we could super cool the wires to bring the resistance down or use 4/0 gauge wire with extremely short interconnects.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 23, 2010, 02:02:02 AM
We might want to review what "Trapezoidal Approximation" means with respect to circuit simulators.  I noticed that all of the inductors I add are set for this approximation method by default.  When I uncheck this option, the amazing results dont look as amazing.  Can anyone shed some light on this simulation technique and how it may affect simulations such as these?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 23, 2010, 02:55:47 AM
Hey DreamTinker

Well, In my last circuit, we are showing some progress.  And the logic I present is good. Even if at times I am missing something, the rest is on par.  ;]

In the last circuit, we are also in a realm of not looking so impossible.   All parts could be had at radio shack, but ebay will get you there better, as in caps and wire/coil, And diodes.   I would prefer not to have a 60 gal drum coil in my room for experiments.   My aim is small. From there, the story will be told.

If i can make my idea work that charges a cap in place of the source and reverse that source diode, the inductor may have to change value, but I think we can skim output to a cap for usable output without trying to dissipate power into the LRC resistor. We can then lower that resistor and retune so there is very little power burned in that resistor and use that power towards output gain.  Sound reasonable?   =]

Im glad you all so far get the gist of what is happening here. Its good.

Once we get the switching down, then we will fine tune diss ting.   As you can see, I havnt had any real accurate looking figures for component values.  Ba   so what,  Thats how we know we can take this further. Thats when we will have shweetness.

But I think my 2mh coil can handle a couple hundred watts.   It will depend what we are trying to power that will determine the build requirements.  Heck  4 awg is small in custom stereo. Thats good for up to around 1kw by rule of thumb. I have been involved with systems up to 17kw.  And have witnessed over 60kw systems.  Most of these were DB Drag vehicles, goin foe over 180db, actually I think they broke that record, I think Pioneer did it in their sponsored truck.  Thats like standing 100ft away from the space shuttle taking off..  Lots of power.

But lets just stay small and cordial and gitter dun.

Havnt had much objection to these last pages. Void found an issue and we made quick progress from that point.

I encourage people that have the ability to do so to try a few circuits in the sim and compare to what is real.

My friend has a circut that he built from a "Natural Health" book that they call the zapper.  It has a 9v bat  a 555 and a few caps and resistors. But he didnt know if it was working. I checked it with my meter,Wavetek 2030, and the was output voltage, but no hz. I found he had missed a wire in the schematic and we got it workin. Was about 32khz. And I ran the sim on the circuit values and we were ready to bet a G on it.  And some other circuits like the source to discharge cap circuit, well it works in real life too.

This inertial effect thing has destroyed the way I thought about inductors.  Its seemingly mechanical. If you know what I mean then you get what this circuits secrets are. Its no secret, its just a state of mind.  lol

Ok back to the mosfets that dont blow!   SIM baby.   Nice tool on the whim.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 23, 2010, 03:14:48 AM
Hey void  Ill check that out.  I would venture to say that hopefully it is not fooling us. Why write a sim that starts us off in the wrong direction or just a bad position.  Maybe there is a range of properties for an inductor, that can be in the other direction of this Approximation.  I dunno.  But good find. I had thought of it when changing values but figured stay in default for the reasons above.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 23, 2010, 03:38:48 AM
Be careful with the sim results. Last year I was experimenting with it and it tricked me to think that I had OU.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg213051#msg213051

Jesus

Update:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg214215#msg214215

I thought That I had closed the loop.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg215575#msg215575

The code for the simulated circuit
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg215716#msg215716

I do expect that you are not pasing for the same thing.
So I do wish you all the success that you can attain.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 23, 2010, 03:46:23 AM
Hey Void

I tried, using my last circuit posted, and first I changed the input coil and turned on the power switch, and it doesnt seem to affect that function much. But I did the lrc coil and  that coils is just way damped.  Your right, we need to find out what it means. I used to know this. Ill get it.
I wonder if it would have to do with air core or iron core?      Iron core for low freq and air for high freq.

Our source to charge cap is very low freq, and is not affected by the approximation option so that coil will work well for that end of the circuit, where as the lrc is working a high freq.    Ill go check for sure as to if im correct.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 23, 2010, 03:56:01 AM
Mags - I'll be interested to read what you find regarding how the approximation is affecting the circuit.  I'd dig into it tonight myself, but I have other life matters (such as yard work!) that's eating my afternoon/evening :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 23, 2010, 04:17:29 AM
Hey Jesus
I looked at that circuit and i see that diode and cap in series, the diode with like 214mv on it. This can give the program a bug.  Imagine any charge or current going through that diode, it will very quickly charge that cap and eventually, the cap can no longer be influenced to charge any further unless it has the opertunities of power to pump that cap till it pops.  Unless that is the function there, to just keep launching a higher and higher pulse to get that cap higher.  But it can never discharge. Never. Maybe diode leakage, or cap leakage.  Its just that part of the circuit does not make sence to me, so why should the sim understand it.  ;]

I have had situations in the sim like this and it can cause anomalies or just no function at all once the cap is full and cannot discharge back through the diode. The 2 parts just be come dead to the rest of the circuit.

But I do head your warning. And we all should remember that this is just a sim and some theory.  I had a complicated bunch of resonating coils and caps that once charged, started building on its own. But the fine tuning was just silly. It would take a great deal of time to go at it for real.  This is interesting and shows promise.

If anything at all,  I think the EXTRA coil is what we have in the source to cap circuit. Why have it there at all,to stop dc impulses?  Yep it does that.  But add a diode and your pumping that cap to almost twice the source.  Try it, it works.  Its not the normal chopper circuit way.  Its a one shot inline current pump. Throw extra coils and diodes where ever a pulsed dc charge is to be sent and see if there are results. Better than a resistor.

I also see the Extra coil effect in the lrc. The coil has an opposition to current change. And some of that means that if we have current flow, the coil is reluctant to it slowing down in ideal conditions.  So we have the coil being charged up with current, and when we let loose, she pumps a whole bunch of current fro one side of the cap to the other. Thats where we get such high voltages in the cap. And the smaller the cap, the higher the voltage potential is, and sets it off into the coil again. So its just a kind of mechanical function if you can visualize it.  Can it be done mechanically?  Maybe.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 23, 2010, 08:49:01 AM
He he sims are looking nice ,the same for resonance in real world but once you try connecting load power dissapears.

I'm interested in pure electric field. Is it true that moving electrons using pure electric field do not require work to be done ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 23, 2010, 12:09:02 PM
This is what we should be thinking if we want to have an OU device!

How to trap the moment increased energy and place it in a controllable fashion?

This is actually the great discovery of Tesla in colorado spring that wasn't recorded. (TRAPPING THE SLIGHT INCREASED)

it should be faster than a twinkling of an eye.  ;)

AGAIN FOR THE WORLD!

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 23, 2010, 12:43:04 PM
I THINK THERE IS NO MORE REASON NOW FOR US TO NOT GETTING IT.  :)

THATS ALL FOR THE WORLD.  ;)

BYE, TAKE CARE WORLD.

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: bboj on September 23, 2010, 02:56:10 PM
But you already told us. With extra coil and a small capacitor.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on September 23, 2010, 03:04:16 PM
Teets
Thanks ,I think mags is on the right track,And I believe
What you said ,while it may seem obvious,the trapping[and keeping] part must be a bit "tricky"!

Although I must add ,Things do seem to be coming into focus,"Voltage" not so much "current"seems to be a theme around the OU world!
Any how ,It is good to see your face > ;D< Teets.

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 23, 2010, 08:47:32 PM
I was working with the circuit, and I have one that will work with no manual switch, and shows OU results in the sim with or without trapazoidal approximation.  Attaching it as a txt file.  I replaced the switch with two diodes and a spark gap.  This of course means I had to increase the voltage.  I think 400V is a reasonable minimum for obtaining a solid spark gap.

I may try to set this up with a 4kV power source as I have high voltage parts falling out of my ears (spent a long time working out that first tesla coil).  The only problem though is with higher voltages (4kV is the smallest HV transformer I have) is the inductor that's by the SG or where the manual switch was, will see voltages upwards of 1MV in the sim.  That is, with a 4kV source.  And I dont have nearly enough high voltage diodes to put in series to block that lol

Funny though, putting a spark gap in the circuit and looking at the inductor placement, I cant help but think of Kapanadze's device. :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 23, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I just tried taking the above circuit and changing the output load to higher values.  This does two things, it lowers the component voltages of the circuit significantly, and also smooths out the sim performance.  It retains its apparent OU behavior.  Try switching the load resistance to 100ohms :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 23, 2010, 08:59:55 PM
I do not think that showing resonant circuits with extremely large current rise would help us.
It is probably only a first step to obtain energy gain.Remember that we accumulated energy in a long time run. The key is how to "spread" this accumulated energy around and collect it back - with gain from ambient source.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 23, 2010, 09:17:01 PM
Now I just feel like I'm spamming!  But I simplified the circuit greatly, so I'm posting another txt file with the import code for the falstad sim, as well as a screenshot.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 24, 2010, 01:26:44 AM
Hey Void

Was watching your circuit.  I pulled up a scope of the source and it is running a constant 1.4kw or so.
I was shocked to see such flat seemingly dc ins and out power shots.  Then I slowed down the sim speed and I could see the current flow better.   Thats when I scoped the source.
I havnt tried anything with changing values yet.    I also tried to speed up the scopes to get a freq reading.
Couldnt do it.   Your values are the same as my LC of the lrc. But it seems like very high freq. And thats ok.

Its good though.  Keep working on it.  The right basic ideas are applied, but cant say why the input res shows such a low value for power yet the source is almost output power.   Hmmm   I will try my circuit again with a source scope shot to see if we are missing this there also.  I dont think so since current visually stops from the source eventually.

Thanks for spending the time Void. I think we should have things worked out by the weekend pretty much.

I got distracted last night so I didnt get much done.   Just got off work and will be at it shortly.

Thanks Void.  We will get it.   I am tryin to stay low in power and voltages.  To see more power just increase the source.    Of course if we want the oscillations to last longer and give longer output for each discharge, the working voltages need to be high. Like in my first circuit with the diode regulation strips,  pealing off 7v per half cycle from almost 400kv, it takes a while, as compared to a couple thousand volts.

Tesla was MR. Megavolt   but in the end, he concentrated on small portable units.  Even he had seen, why have the big transmitter at all. We can just have small individual power units.

ok Be back in a bit

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 24, 2010, 01:34:19 AM
Mags,

I agree, low power, small individual units is the way to go.  I just couldn't figure out a way to get those abrupt on's and off's (yet) so a spark gap seemed a reasonably easy thing to set up and tune, to remove the manual switching.  I'm going to keep looking for a way to get the abrupt switching with a low power solid state circuit design as well.

I may be able to throw together a high voltage proof of concept device easily, I'll have to rummage through parts - could use halogen lights as a load ala Kapagen.

I've had limited time to work on this as well, always torn between doing the work that pays the power bill, or doing the work that may remove the power bill altogether :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 24, 2010, 02:40:00 AM
Hey Void

I think mosfets in parallel can give good switching.    Unless you have tried it.  Remember, if you are worried about freq with the fets, they wont be operating at the freq of the lrc, it will be much lower than that. It should be on for as long as it takes to empty the cap, then wait.  I will be at it in a bit, im in need of sustenance.  Fewd!   lol

I just got an Alienware laptop from my buddy. Was from the original co.  Gateway owns them now I think.
I have been running this sim on my 1.6ghz pc. I wanna see the diff.   This laptop is huge, but packed for gaming.
He got a new something so I got this cheap.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 25, 2010, 03:33:35 AM
I tried the mfets and I didnt like the way things worked.  The fet or fets seemed to not deliver to the coil from the cap no where close to a switch. Tried 4 in parallel and no better.  But I do have an issue with how it worked otherwise also. It drew current from the battery in gobs, but wont deliver to the coil?  And this was hooked up the same place as the switch in correct polarity also.

I rigged it up using a "switch" and resistors to just see what the source and drain would do. It continues to conduct after releasing the switch.  I tried putting the fets in a different place on the black board yet with same connections, but same results. That was just to test the sim for stupid errors from having wire crossings, but was consistent.

So then I came up with another Idea today. Well, remembered someone elses idea, Tesla Igniter Pat.   I think it is possible that the 2mh inductor is too much for the fets.  But where I see them do very well is in pwm supplies, where mostly the primary of the transformer or inductor really isnt anything near the 2mh coil I have. Just a few or more turns on the primary.   Soooo,  we activate the oscillations with a primary coil of low no. of turns and heavy wire, say 10 awg or bigger.   I am going at it right now on the sim.  The cutoff still needs to happen. The primary cannot be a drag on the secondary after the cycles have started, so it has to disconnect until it is ready to to take a discharge again.  In other words, if the primary is not connected to anything, the secondary will just act as an inductor.

In any case, I am just going to try the fets on a small henry transformer primary and see if there are any differences.   Well, maybe I can just lower my henrys in my circuit.  Me dumdum.

Be back

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 25, 2010, 05:31:31 AM
here is an interesting thing. This circuit could be a tpu. I dunno.   If the inductor has an opposition to current changes, then if we have a diode and load resistor, then KICK the coil,  well just load the code in the sim.

Just tap the switch and watch the first scope vs last scope   these show first power input on left and load output on right.   Then tap more, fast  slow,   Is this as easy as it gets er wut.  lol    I can say that this is very very easy to try in the real world.

I also got some good mosfet switching happening now. I should have something to show tomorrow.

But for this lil code here, what are some thoughts out there.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 25, 2010, 07:33:25 AM
Was thinking about these resistive loads and what to do of it.  If they were heaters, and we were able to tune these things right, you could boil water for a steam engine. Err whatever needs heat.  But instead of a steam engine to provide motive force, we change out the inductor from my last circuit code, to a dc motor, Or my first circuit code for ac induction motors. The motors would need to be impedance matching for best results. The resistor loads need to be fine tuned also, to get the most out of the output.  Could that be what Tesla did in the Peirce Arrow? Big 80hp AC induction motor. Could the motor be the inductor, add a big diode and spike that thing.   Kinda crazy.

Mags Crazy
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 25, 2010, 08:42:10 AM
Nice circuit you've posted, very trimmed down.  I was playing with it, and as you increase the load resistance you have to increase the induction proportionally.  Its kind of creepy how if the induction is sufficiently larger than the load resistance, the output versus input goes up dramatically.

Its too late or something, I honestly dont understand the outputs - I dont understand how the output can sustain so much longer than the input.

Here's a variation (see attachment)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 25, 2010, 05:26:01 PM
Very good Void.
It is doing the job well. I changed the coil to 2mh and works well also.
I think the sim needs simple.   But what you have here and my lil circuit, I think its time to put it on the bench and see what we can do.  I have all weekend to play in the electron sandbox.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 25, 2010, 09:31:06 PM
I wish I did, the girlfriend's thirtieth is tonight, there's most of my weekend surely, and I have some work to catch up on as well.  This coming week I am going to hammer together a device for sure, probably of the higher voltage variety - as mentioned before, just because I have plenty of components, oh and high voltage experiments are like a geeks' version of extreme sports haha

This is a fun circuit/idea/theory to play with, I'm having a blast, thanks for sharing it! :)

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 25, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
I have been making measurement errors - I think.  Placing a resistor at the beginning or end of the circuit and measuring power dissipated for that resistor I dont believe describes the power consumed by the circuit.  We can use that resistor to calculate the amps drawn from the power source, but we then need to multiply that by the power supply voltage instead.

If we use the circuit I posted the other day as an example, attaching it below, it shows the output load (100 ohm resistor) having a power dissipation of 1.58 KW and the 300mOhm input resistor shows 4.74 watts dissipated.  OU!  Or not.  Instead if I look at the amps flowing over the 300m resistor, I see its 3.98 amps.  3.98A x 400V = P = 1.592KW.

Is this correct?  If so couldnt one of you lurkers skulking in the shadows have pointed that out earlier hehe? :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: void109 on September 25, 2010, 11:37:24 PM
Unfortunately I think this accounts for the circuit you posted showing inductor inertia, it's not so straightforward of a case, but if you just watch the amps over the 10m resistor and multiply that by the 50V supply voltage, those 'starting' pulses are huge amounts of power.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: romerouk on September 27, 2010, 12:12:02 AM
Here is a simple way to demonstrate energy amplification. I have used this circuit with very good results and also used in the kapanadze 12 volt replication I have. D1 togheter with the right pulsing adjustment is the key to get a succesfuly working device. I hope people will understand what that D1 is doing there... I have tried to explain this before but nobody seems to understand.
Check the folowing link for more details http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on September 27, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
romerouk
Quote:
I have tried to explain this before but nobody seems to understand.
----------------------------
Sir perhaps another try?[at explaining]

You are preaching to the choir here!!

Thank you,

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on September 27, 2010, 03:56:24 AM
well..I would say.. If there won`t be diode, then the fast colapsing magnetic field which release all energy stored by previsous pulse at one time+voltage induced by momentum of charges will results as current flow in the secondary. Which will have opposite polarity like before(when the tranzistor are on)
That is most effective when core is propper closed and primary to secondary is bifilar wound on.(L1 have same value as L2). Then, because in the primary, energy cannot flow anywhere, all energy collapse to the secondary and then in secondary you can measure: the first pulse energy+Bemf+voltage induced inertia of charges in the primary.
Otherwise, when you connect the diode like picture below, then part of energy will burn on it, and part of energy will burn in load on secondary.
Of course the current flow across diode and primary will also induce some energy in the secondary, but still, serious energy is lost to nothing. Coil discharge is not that strong as capacitor discharge.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 27, 2010, 08:21:54 AM
GOOD DAY!  ;D

Well, i must admit that you're all doing a great job!.

though your work seems so complicated to me, but still good.  :)

we actually need only coil, caps, diode, zdiode and relay to complete the working device that will last for 11 years :)

Note: A.) Electricity is dual in one "CRON". so separate them then, Walla, we have controllable
energy!
B.) We can actually re-use the collapsing magnetic field to make an extremely strong magnetic
field.

remember: how the nature work as tesla say about the rolling stone ice.

I think the next time i return here is, i will just congratulate all of you.

bye!

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 27, 2010, 09:08:44 AM
Here is a simple way to demonstrate energy amplification. I have used this circuit with very good results and also used in the kapanadze 12 volt replication I have. D1 togheter with the right pulsing adjustment is the key to get a succesfuly working device. I hope people will understand what that D1 is doing there... I have tried to explain this before but nobody seems to understand.
Check the folowing link for more details http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm

He he look how we are approaching Tesla method of conversion while trying to find the simplest circuit using electronic solid state parts....  ;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 27, 2010, 09:26:42 AM
GOOD DAY!  ;D

Well, i must admit that you're all doing a great job!.

though your work seems so complicated to me, but still good.  :)

we actually need only coil, caps, diode, zdiode and relay to complete the working device that will last for 11 years :)

Note: A.) Electricity is dual in one "CRON". so separate them then, Walla, we have controllable
energy!
B.) We can actually re-use the collapsing magnetic field to make an extremely strong magnetic
field.

remember: how the nature work as tesla say about the rolling stone ice.

I think the next time i return here is, i will just congratulate all of you.

bye!

;D

Eh Tito! Still so mysterious ?   This is basic Tesla method of conversion with one clever trick. The every try here and in youtube is missing what Tesla stressed -  break at the peak of the wave ! not before not after not longer!!! You would ask : "but in DC we have no wave " ?? think about it what remain!?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: romerouk on September 27, 2010, 09:31:14 AM
Simple is what we need and simple works great. Replace the transistor with a spark gap... like in Tesla times...
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/reson.html
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 27, 2010, 09:58:00 AM
Simple is what we need and simple works great. Replace the transistor with a spark gap... like in Tesla times...
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/reson.html

NO NO NO

not transistor, something else  ;)

P.S.  damn close
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 27, 2010, 10:28:21 AM
Something like that. Just replace spark gap with appropriate part.
There is no load at output here. I doubt any simulation will help.Does it properly simulate BEMF with total responding of parts ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on September 28, 2010, 02:14:09 AM
SSsssooo Mags,
Hows Tings??

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 28, 2010, 04:24:11 AM
Tings?   I hoid some tings!

Baa   had people over this weekend and just couldnt get down to it.

Actually just really sitting down now to do some work.   Time is of the essence.    I just aint had no essence.  lol

Its funny, in the end we may say, wow, is it that simple?  I am beginning to to get a feel for these circuits.
For a bit I was just tossin diodes and coils on every leg. Just to see what it would do.

But now down to the switching.   I am going to go the route that Tito proposes using a relay.  He also said zener diode and has said it before.  I had asked him once, on a whim, if he was using a zener in place of a spark gap, and he said YES.   But it was a whim thought. Im still not clear in how.
But since he said it in his last post, it seems to be an area to concentrate on.
My first thoughts of how to use it, thinking while doing other stuff, is to use the zener to control the relay? But how?  Or is it used like the diode I put across the discharge cap to get it to stop discharge at zero, or near.

I find the diode on the cap probably does near to what the magnet quenching spark gap did for tesla.  We will call it a discharge cutoff.  But its is not finished yet, cuz Im still pullin the switch.
I dont think a relay will give great accuracy here, but with the diodes, it might not have to be accurate in cutoff time. As to say, if we used the zener some how to control the operation of the relays solenoid, would the physical switching action be timely to the event.
So maybe it is used in some way to provide cutoff directly, and, through its cutoff action, provide a control signal for the relay.

Again, just thoughts over the last couple hours since I read Teets post.

Anyway,  Im guna do some electron flow on the table over here for a bit and see what I can see.   =]

Thanks for the Tips Teets.  I know you think its easy, but you have given a puzzle that doesnt make a picture yet, if you know what I mean..   If I told you that you need flour, water, eggs, yeast and salt, to maka de fresha italiano breada, How many trys would it take for you to maka de nica tastya breada, without clear instructions? =]

So I have made a lot of bada breada.  I still eat it and grow from it.

Mags

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 28, 2010, 05:38:37 AM
Please don't use spark gap anymore ok! make a silent explotion ok!  ;D

Like an auto engine, The power is pure but silent in nature. ;D

The very fast bouncing point inside a cap is the direction if it is neg or pos bounce and from there we can collect all pos and neg bounce and from there also we develop a strong pressure, and if we have that pressure we want then thats the time we connect and distribute water to the consumer, ha,ha,ha sorry. i hope you can decipher it, its fun. ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 28, 2010, 07:21:19 AM
Hey Teets

I get the bounce and the high pressures that are happening here.  The smaller the cap, the higher the voltage, the stronger the bounce. The inertia that is built up in the coil, is like pouring a swimming pool into a cup.

I have a few ideas of how it can be done. But I dont get the zener. It conducts both ways, one way depending on the zener voltage, and the other like a diode. I know that I presented the question of the zener as a spark gap, but honestly, I cannot guess why. The only clue that made me think of it was that the zener has a threshold voltage that could possibly be used some way.  And its been a while since I asked you that question, i still dont got it yet.

But I am workin on it.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 28, 2010, 10:37:46 AM
Mags

I feel it is like using pressure from a tank without allowing water to escape. You got a kick of pressure which moves water inside hose like squeezing hose while water in tank is in tank so pressure is still there.got it ?
you have to have very and I mean very fast valve with cutoff as sharp as a razor-blade . Tito also mentioned something about one-way valve but here I'm not sure exactly how it works.
Hmm..maybe it is like having a special tank when pressure can escape only in one direction ? Not sure how to do this .High-self induction coil ? Hmm.. for dead battery  such coil from igniter patent, it should not have any difference except you would have troubles to disconnect battery  ??? See my hairs ? Horrible ,I do not want to be electrocuted ! Have to find a coil to protect my dead battery
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 28, 2010, 01:05:04 PM
Ok, guys , search all Tito tips .. there was one very useful about capacitor.
What element kind is capacitor to the DC circuit ? I think Don Smith said it too -
it is a sink while empty but then when filled it is a GAP.No energy is taken from power source when capacitor is charged! So we must have it charged all the time,right ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on September 28, 2010, 03:08:04 PM
Don't know if I have this right or wrong.

If you use a zenor diode on the flyback line that returns to source, the flyback will have to load the zenor to a minimal level before the zenor opens. Flyback is usually a very reactive energy form showing high volts but minimal amps so maybe the zenor is recompressing the reactive energy to a more usable recharge energy.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on September 28, 2010, 06:02:54 PM
zener in series? to get higer open voltage?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 28, 2010, 06:51:28 PM
zener in series? to get higer open voltage?

to get silent spark gap very fast ;D clever way
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 28, 2010, 07:02:33 PM
Just home for lunch

Thanks for all the input. We can use all we can get.

I have thought of quite a many ways to use the zener.  In the beginning, Teets said to use at least 3v zener.  Seems small dont it.  But it does not mean it doesnt have a useful purpose here.  Just thought I would put this out there for those who are thinking about it. =]    In his circuit with the 24/220 transformer using the secondary as a primary, it had shown a regular diode in series with a resistor, but he said to remember to use a zener.  I dont know if it is the one in the drawing or additional and not shown.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 28, 2010, 07:03:58 PM
Oh    what is a CRON?     Teets?     I looked it up but not getting notable results in search.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 28, 2010, 07:41:28 PM
Don't know if I have this right or wrong.

If you use a zenor diode on the flyback line that returns to source, the flyback will have to load the zenor to a minimal level before the zenor opens. Flyback is usually a very reactive energy form showing high volts but minimal amps so maybe the zenor is recompressing the reactive energy to a more usable recharge energy.

almost, remember what Tesla said : we could have many currents flowing in circuit simultaneously and even in the same wire !
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on September 28, 2010, 08:35:26 PM
Oh    what is a CRON?     Teets?     I looked it up but not getting notable results in search.

Mags
Since Tito once mentioned, he's a computer science student, it woudn't be unusual for him to use a computer science nomenclature. Here is one example: http://www.scrounge.org/linux/cron.html
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on September 28, 2010, 09:08:55 PM
Towards zener diode as sparg gap:
As voltage rise the zener diode begin open up and the current rise too, but when the possible source is not able to give more current, the diode stop opening and stay open on some level, where the current from source is able to keep the voltage. (stabilize) but always is passing som little current thru even with voltage about 1-2 volts.(always is acting like big resistor) so ..is no way to close the diod.
Simply told by: when the input voltage drops, even just little, the resistivity of diode or transil rise at once.
The component named "transil" can operate at higher open voltage and can works with bigger current, also used for stabilizing voltage, but he have much sharper VoltAamper charakteristic, and  have zero current until is open voltage very close. Ont he other hand...
About sparg gap we can say he have infinite resistance until arch is sparked, (until the dielectricum are perfored) till then is acting like small capacitor.
But we can say the arch have intertia, in time when is sparked, it does not matter on voltage on the input, and the ionized gas will create very conductive path, his resistivity is even little increase in time.
So almost all current aviable from source (kapacitor or output of transformer) is moved, which is not possible with any semiconductor, very close is mosfet transitors, and many people have thinking it is sufficient.(we all see the big spikes on osciloskope)
So, for disruptive discharge is probably better relay, or there is not going about disruptive discharge.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gsmsslsb on September 29, 2010, 01:15:06 AM
Just a thought
What about using a cap and zener to give the wave shape instead of spark gap. Titos silent spark gap.
Gsm
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on September 29, 2010, 04:33:16 AM
Holly Zenor Batman.

I know that when you put your volt meter on a battery, you will read the voltage, let's say 3 volts, but when you short the battery terminals, the volt meter will read zero volts. So if you put a 3v zenor in series with a coil and a 3v battery, that coil should pulse. The zenor sees the 3 volts, closes hence shorts the coil and the battery where the voltage falls to zero volts and the zenor opens and the cycle starts again. Could it be that simple.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: slapper on September 29, 2010, 04:43:00 AM
Oh    what is a CRON?     Teets?     I looked it up but not getting notable results in search.

Mags

I'm going with Copper iRON cause that's been my kick lately. ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 29, 2010, 06:21:52 AM
Hey Watts
Thats an interesting theory. But can a zener absorb that current? Well, common little ones anyway. Also would this constitute a disruptive discharge as compared to what we might believe we need? Or just an oscillator?
But i get your drift and its a good one.

These are the ways we have to think. Tesla didnt just give it all away.  I imagine many have read and investigated his stuff for years, and probably only a handful in comparison saw the light.
So if we pick it apart, tip by tip, we will get there.

Zener zener zener,    what if the zener is just in an on state when the relay is on and the discharge ends at 3v, before it gets to zero?  But above there was a statement that the zener still conducts some below threshold. Will have to try and see.  From my experience with them, they are used to stop spikes above the zener voltage and as regulation devices, like after a resistor to hold the output at 5v steady.
But even if it were inline, would power be coming back through the zener? being that it is a diode from another mother.  =]

When I asked Teets about the zener /sparkgap, I had looked up some and there are some big ones.  And teets said they can take a lot of voltage, if that was correct in saying.   Riddles. He also said that he wasnt using zeners anymore but instead was using caps.  ?    Remember cap gap?  I had thought spike arestor. But I think they are 1 shot devices.
But if we can get the zener working, Ill be good with that, and so will all of you, im sure. ;] Then we can try to graduate to cap gaps.

As Forest says, "something better"   well a relay is good as long as the sparks are directed away from the contacts.  I have put some circuits together that I could not fully eliminate all the sparking from the contacts and some that I could.   But Teets says 11 years, so.

Now that I think about it, maybe in those contact burning circuits, it wasnt bemf crossing the contacts gaps, it could very well have been femf from the coil the switch was breaking contact from.  Like in my precharge circuit above that charges a cap to near twice the source.  hmm,  thats why my diodes in series with the contacts didnt help, because the current was allowed by the diode, cus it wasnt bemf.  I always wondered about that.  Now I know.

Still working on it

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: e2matrix on September 29, 2010, 07:15:17 AM
Holly Zenor Batman.

I know that when you put your volt meter on a battery, you will read the voltage, let's say 3 volts, but when you short the battery terminals, the volt meter will read zero volts. So if you put a 3v zenor in series with a coil and a 3v battery, that coil should pulse. The zenor sees the 3 volts, closes hence shorts the coil and the battery where the voltage falls to zero volts and the zenor opens and the cycle starts again. Could it be that simple.
Sounds easy enough to try if you have a Zener.   Looking .....
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 29, 2010, 07:26:03 AM
Hey Slaps
So wutcha doin with the crons?    I had seen some things using copper and iron wire, but never tried.
I understand that there is a delay in iron, and I remember the reverb boxes with the long iron springs for the delay line.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 29, 2010, 07:32:00 AM
I tried the zener cap and source in the sim. I didnt get any oscillation. Source was 5v, and zener starts at 5.6. As I edited the zener, it just showed the current increasing as the zener voltage was lowered. I had a resistor inline also so that the zener would see a drop, cuz I dont think the source has a current limiter, thus resistor.

I was hoping for some crazy thing to happen. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 29, 2010, 10:36:58 AM
oh boy! a lot of good points   :o

There are times that we want only to permit voltage to pass just for the purpose of addition, cause sometimes current is not important and it plays a destructive force.

IWD : good!

forest says DAMN CLOSE!

Since we are now very close to the truth,
i think lets just talk about Bedini project. ha!ha!ha!ha! ;D

There are lots of genius here i think i must be very careful.  ;D

remember: i have now 12 different designs of free energy and i am telling all of them here, only in jumble manner sorry.  :(

BUT THEY POSSESS ONE COMMON CIRCUIT AND THAT IS THE AMPLIFICATION technique.

Everyone ok!: used the YIN and YANG technique to dissipate a strong energy and instead used it in
divertion! now don't get mad ok?

;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2010, 12:25:26 PM
"In Chinese philosophy, the concept of yin yang ([yin â€“ simplified Chinese: é˜´; traditional Chinese: é™°; pinyin: yÄ«n] [yang - simplified Chinese: é˜³; traditional Chinese: é™½; pinyin: yÃ¡ng] sometimes referred to in the west as yin and yang) is used to describe how polar or seemingly contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other in turn."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

Yin Yang example
"A zener diode contains a heavily doped p-n junction allowing electrons to tunnel from the valence band of the p-type material to the conduction band of the n-type material, such that the reverse voltage is â€œclampedâ€ to a known value (called the zener voltage), and avalanche does not occur"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode

" A medium which would merely
crack when strained electrostaticallyâ€”and this possibly might be the
case with a perfect vacuum, that is, pure etherâ€”would involve a very
small loss in the gap, so small as to be entirely negligible, at least
theoretically, because a crack may be produced by an infinitely small
medium; think, for the sake of illustration, of a piece of glass or similar
body clamped in a vice, and the latter tightened more and more.  At a
certain point a minute increase of the pressure will cause the ;glass to
crack.  The loss of energy involved in splitting the glass may be  practically nothing, for though the force is great, the displacement need
be but extremely small.  Now imagine that the glass would possess the
property of closing again perfectly the crack upon a minute diminution of
the pressure.  This is the way the dielectric in the discharge space
should behave.  But inasmuch as there would be always some loss in the
gap, the medium, which should be continuous should exchange through
the gap at a rapid rate.  In the preceding example, the glass being
perfectly closed, it would mean that the dielectric in the discharge space
possesses a great insulating power; the glass being cracked, it would
signify that the medium in the space is a good conductor.  The dielectric
should vary enormously in resistance by minute variations of the E. M. F.
across the discharge space. "

Nikola Tesla "ON LIGHT   AND OTHER HIGH FREQUENCY PHENOMENA  "

So,we have it now.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DimaWari on September 29, 2010, 01:51:20 PM
Instead of Zener, can I use an avalanche diode?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2010, 02:18:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_voltage_suppression_diode  ;D

Who now propose modification to Tesla igniter patent ? I'm trying and trying but every circuit has a flaw... :-\
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2010, 02:22:10 PM
This is interesting : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_%28circuit%29
I heard that Edwin Gray used thyratron

P.S. I hope you have the feeling of idea ? me too,however I doubt it is alone OU  :D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2010, 02:32:52 PM
Two graphics to take into consideration. I am not sure about the zener cathode orientation.

I could be wrong though.

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2010, 04:13:34 PM
Two graphics to take into consideration. I am not sure about the zener cathode orientation.

I could be wrong though.

Jesus

I like the second one! First may work or may not...hard to say...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on September 29, 2010, 06:45:36 PM
Two graphics to take into consideration. I am not sure about the zener cathode orientation.

I could be wrong though.

Jesus

In both circuits..
not any AC or DC currents can flow via the zeber-diode connection ...
Boh are nonsens. Sorry

G. Pese

P.S.

shorted and open circuits cant work
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2010, 07:47:35 PM
yep they are not complete,but  every circuit need improvements  ;)
first we need to charge cap ...then coil..then zener..then bah ha ha ha ha  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2010, 08:43:49 PM

In both circuits..
not any AC or DC currents can flow via the zeber-diode connection ...
Boh are nonsens. Sorry

G. Pese

P.S.

shorted and open circuits cant work

The pulse circuit close the open circuit and charge the capacitor, then it is suposed that the zener allows the flow and give a shot to the other transformer and part of the flow goes back as feedback.

Could you draw the improvements that the circuits need to work according to your expertize?

Jesus

Update

A good pulser could be the one that was done by @geotron:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9551.msg252079#msg252079
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on September 29, 2010, 09:32:18 PM
No, i cant, drawn an circuit for Energy ampÃ¶ification.
Bu i can let you know, that both Ddrawn have in eny
electric or electroncs mo eny sense tat  Power (amlification or losses (!!)
can flow.
Gustav Pese

www.alt-nrg.de/pese
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2010, 10:33:07 PM
No, i cant, drawn an circuit for Energy ampÃ¶ification.
Bu i can let you know, that both Ddrawn have in eny
electric or electroncs mo eny sense tat  Power (amlification or losses (!!)
can flow.
Gustav Pese

www.alt-nrg.de/pese

Do you think that this other energy amplification circuit is wrong too?

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2010, 11:21:13 PM
@pese

You were right!

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on September 29, 2010, 11:36:37 PM
@pese

You were right!

Jesus
pls give attention

the circuit-loop (cap/zener) in the top-line,
is an open circuit that (will) connect the 1. (left) to the 2. part of transformer-coupled part..
BUT it need an SECOND wireing to have
an closed circuit that connet the 2 parts.

The ONE Wire line wit cap and zener is not enought ! !  (Ground-line ?)
An other connection mus comes in the circuit, so that (possibly) some current can flow over
the part in the top of schematics.

Pese

P.S. this is only an help, to make an little more sense to an
electronic circuit, BUT  , it is an lot more in,
that wil and acan NOT work.

You will find this , in your experience that you can
now start in an better way.

But in any way, i can not lead you to
"ampify energy"
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2010, 11:37:16 PM
first one looks nice,not perfect just nice

questions:

is zener diode in good position ?
what is triggering zener diode ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 29, 2010, 11:39:02 PM
why there is capacitor on feedback loop ?

I do not state I understand this circuit nor that it won't work
just for me a few elements are missing or misplaced, well maybe 2 ::)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on September 29, 2010, 11:44:02 PM
Do you think that this other energy amplification circuit is wrong too?

Jesus
This shown Diagramm  (BDX87 Darlington Transistor) is an very know, and usually shematic
that can uses as inverter.
Low voltages to any higher (or lower) voltages.

work on higher frequencies (usually 5000 to 20.000 Hertz  - in relation zo Cap and inductor/transformer CORE-material)
But in any way, no amplification the Power.

Only voltage can amplify (current go down.
Or transform the Voltages lower with higher currents.

In any Way the volt time amperes  = watt (power)

this exeed never the need input power to drive this.

Gustav Pese

P.S.

Do not buy this Darlington Transistor. : use
2 normal transitors  and 2N3055 and Tip 31 (Bd241) instead
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2010, 11:52:21 PM
Thank you @pese

first one looks nice,not perfect just nice

questions:

is zener diode in good position ?
what is triggering zener diode ?

You must test if it let the voltage through on this position, without reaching its activation voltage. If it does, switch it the other way and retest.
A voltage that is less than its activation voltage should be blocked.

It supposed to be triggered by the rising voltage on the secondary coil that fills the cap to its capacity.

I must say here that I am just learning.

Update
why there is capacitor on feedback loop ?

I do not state I understand this circuit nor that it won't work
just for me a few elements are missing or misplaced, well maybe 2 ::)

I thought that it was needed there to protect the diode and the battery from the spark intensity.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 30, 2010, 12:50:02 AM
I liked Nieves circuit, but the zener was in the wrong direction. I have not tuned it in the least, just got it done.
But the zener does do the deed, at 480v threshold.
I will play more with this tonight.  But I wanted to share. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 30, 2010, 01:42:25 AM
Ok   took a bit of time, but here is something that looks good.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 30, 2010, 01:48:47 AM
Its not ou, but the function is there.    I just have to look up what zeners are out there and if they can handle the currents of the caps discharge. Im sure its a lot.     I will have to try it on a smaller scale with what I have, unless in teets setup, the zener has another function rather than being the spark gap directly.
We continue on....
Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 30, 2010, 02:28:39 AM
After messing with the circuit, I see that when the cap gets charged, when the zener dumps, it is also pulling from the cap charging transformer, through the normal diode, and causing some serious input power issues.

I am not sure this is what we want.

Another reason I say this, Teets said in the latest tips,  coil caps diode zener and relay.  Well if the relay is the cap dumper then where does the zener go?  Is it just used to skim off of the top instead?  But then again, the zener has something to do with the spark gap portion, as teets claimed to me.

We have to think of something whacky.

Im thinkin and Im a bit whacky!  ;]    I gota eat.

Magshungry
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on September 30, 2010, 03:19:35 AM
ok! ok! here is the yin and yang sample if you really want to use spark gap:

Use the increasing energy by making an electromagnet that use to push the inrush energy at the tip of extra coil going to the aluminum plate. in this sense, no matter how strong the spark is, it is being pushed by its energy itself.

The earth is rotating with the speed suitable for us to live isn't it?
now there is actually a reason why we should use just a relay. use it how nature works.

Forest sorry i lied a little to you ok.  :D

Every effect has a corresponding use ok, you place them where they are meant to be. that is where a good designer is born.

Now if your design is made correct then you have a lasting device ok!.

happy experimenting everyone, always be careful, use a lot of sense, especially the 6th sense of
balance.

mags, you always makes me laugh. ;D

oh boy i got to eat also, titshungry  ;D

The amplification presented by our fellow experimenters are not wrong, they were just not what tesla is saying, there is other way ok, it is rolling ice stone and the one that i say long time ago, the falling domino has the same meaning or effect.

otits  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on September 30, 2010, 04:38:01 AM
Well Glad to hear I can be funny.  =]

Ok boys, we have a new ingredient,  Aluminum plate     Man, this isnt going to get easier is it.

Ok hungrytits    I gota ask, and I know that the answer is going to be, well, just the way you always answer.

You say coil caps diodes  zener diode   Can you at minimum tell us how many of each would be required? Its confusing when you just say coil  and then extra coil, so that would imply 2, or more.   Not the values, but at least how many of each would be in the circuit.   Cuz like there could be 10 diodes in series, somewhere, and Im not asking where.  If we just at least had a component count, it would be of great assistance.  And now we have an aluminum plate. Not asking what for, but is it necessary.   Wut do ya say? Can we get this party started?  ;]

And for all

I did a bit of tuning, but I cannot say the out is totally more than the in. I put a cap on the primary of the input transformer to try and limit the input power while still getting quality output, and it helped reduce the amount of power getting from the input transformer to the output transformer.  Im not convinced that this is how its done.

But have a looky    The first scope is of the pulse gen directly to be sure of power consumed, and it shows the + and - power also.  Does that mean that the - power is power being input to it from bemf?  dunno, but the last 2 scopes are of the zener and the ouput load resistor. The zener seems to be consuming most of the output, but it plus the itty bitty resistor power look to be more than consumed input.

Mags and the 3kv zener    I have not even looked to see if they exist yet. Im afraid if they do. =]

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on September 30, 2010, 02:18:13 PM
ok! ok! here is the yin and yang sample if you really want to use spark gap:

Use the increasing energy by making an electromagnet that use to push the inrush energy at the tip of extra coil going to the aluminum plate. in this sense, no matter how strong the spark is, it is being pushed by its energy itself.

The earth is rotating with the speed suitable for us to live isn't it?
now there is actually a reason why we should use just a relay. use it how nature works.
Rotating relay hmm ?

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Forest sorry i lied a little to you ok.  :D

but where :-\ ?

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Every effect has a corresponding use ok, you place them where they are meant to be. that is where a good designer is born.

Now if your design is made correct then you have a lasting device ok!.
do you mean self-runner?

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happy experimenting everyone, always be careful, use a lot of sense, especially the 6th sense of
balance.

mags, you always makes me laugh. ;D

oh boy i got to eat also, titshungry  ;D

;D

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The amplification presented by our fellow experimenters are not wrong, they were just not what tesla is saying, there is other way ok, it is rolling ice stone and the one that i say long time ago, the falling domino has the same meaning or effect.

If we have pure potential HV that would attract "dead" electrons from air for example.Not sure if this is correct interpretation but I think we could separate S-Flow from one circuit and spread it around from extra coil which would attract dead electrons or make them push each other in the metals

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otits  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 01, 2010, 09:14:37 AM
Well Glad to hear I can be funny.  =]

Ok boys, we have a new ingredient,  Aluminum plate     Man, this isnt going to get easier is it.

Ok hungrytits    I gota ask, and I know that the answer is going to be, well, just the way you always answer.

You say coil caps diodes  zener diode   Can you at minimum tell us how many of each would be required? Its confusing when you just say coil  and then extra coil, so that would imply 2, or more.   Not the values, but at least how many of each would be in the circuit.   Cuz like there could be 10 diodes in series, somewhere, and Im not asking where.  If we just at least had a component count, it would be of great assistance.  And now we have an aluminum plate. Not asking what for, but is it necessary.   Wut do ya say? Can we get this party started?  ;]

And for all

I did a bit of tuning, but I cannot say the out is totally more than the in. I put a cap on the primary of the input transformer to try and limit the input power while still getting quality output, and it helped reduce the amount of power getting from the input transformer to the output transformer.  Im not convinced that this is how its done.

But have a looky    The first scope is of the pulse gen directly to be sure of power consumed, and it shows the + and - power also.  Does that mean that the - power is power being input to it from bemf?  dunno, but the last 2 scopes are of the zener and the ouput load resistor. The zener seems to be consuming most of the output, but it plus the itty bitty resistor power look to be more than consumed input.

Mags and the 3kv zener    I have not even looked to see if they exist yet. Im afraid if they do. =]

ok! in my latest experiment and that is experiment #12, I just use 3 blanks, 2 diodes, 2 caps and i got succeed in a controllable voltage i want.

note in this setup there is : no coil, no extra coil, no pulsing, no transformer.

This is very simple but dangerous in nature.

in experiment #11 i made use of 1 primary 2 extra coil, 12 diodes  a computer fan  a lot of coils. bulky in nature thats why i'm not satisfied. so i made an improvement. but no spark gap, with silent explosion tech.

in exp #10 i used 4 zeners, 5 electrolytic caps, 2 diodes, alternate switching tech, with improved spark gap tech. with lots of bulky transformer

in exp #9 input is signal from atmosphere then amplified using 3 coils and 4
caps. its like a tpu.

and the other previous experiments are just an improvement of different inventions of our fellow experimenters, i'm not interested with those. just made them for fun.

note in all: no free energy to all designs if the tesla energy amplifier is missing!
I think the right term for it is "Controllable Uncontrolled Spontaneous action"

It is like driving a car thousand times heavy than your weight, but by using a little energy, you can able to drive it where ever you want it to go ok.

i just made use of aluminum for safety reason and make the spark be divert and hit it.

p.s. forest your a threat  ;)

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on October 01, 2010, 04:27:30 PM
Tito

is there an input voltage?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 01, 2010, 06:44:03 PM
Hmmm   teets Im surprised from your statement that you lied to forest.

That kinda has us all sitting here wondering what is truth in your statements.

Not trying to be mean here,   But lets say we were room mates in an apartment and I told you how I took 10 dollars from my last room mate from his wallet.   Would you start distrusting me as a room mate? Would you hide your wallet from there on?  Get it?

Forest does not deserve that, he just wants to heat his house because he is cold. I dont find threat in that.

Anyway, I hope you are not misleading us, otherwise there are a lot of people putting a lot of time money and effort, trying to do what you propose.

And thanks for answering my question.  =]    But can I trust that info?   Really?

And to all

I am going to go back to my original LRC with the series diode regulator strips.  I got a bit distracted by Neives circuit. Not that it is not a possibility, but I see better things in my first circuits.  No zeners for now, unless I see a potential for them as I continue.

I was messing with parallel LRC last night, but input power, some of of it gets involved with the load directly, and Im not liking it so far.

My weekend is free so Ill be working on this with a vengence!  ;\        =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 02, 2010, 03:25:55 AM
Welll.....................
Maybe Teets meant that forest was a "treat"?,

And maybe It was a little White lie?

Well, If you did tell forest a lie,I suppose you could make it "Right"!
Correct the false statement ?

"The truth will set you free"

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 02, 2010, 06:15:48 AM

I thought on Teet's last post today, as one part of it I posted before this.

The other parts were the answers to my question. Now granted, I had to take it to heart that Teets is being truthful in order to come up with any conclusions on his tips of component count.

The first was  # 12  3 blanks 2 caps and 2 diodes       Blanks?    hmm     Zeners?   Coils, just not specified?  Relays while using the coils built in?  Ion receiver plates?  why 3?      Quarts crystals plated with platinum?

Maybe 3 pancakes 2 caps and 2 diodes on the side.   Thats where I am with that at the moment.  =]
The 3 blanks, does not fill the criteria of the question, so this answer is kinda bogus.

# 11    1 primary   2 extra coils   12 diodes   computer fan   and a lot of coils     Yep sounds bulky, no caps, maybe we leave that for later.   No real idea other than maybe a half wave operation of my first circuits diode strips.

I just dont see much there on that one. Not that it would not be important to know it, of the so many ways to get fe ;]   But, I feel confident to say that the possibility that my diode strip circuits and such, brought Teets out for a "Its For The World" statement" in lieu of his contribution here.      So I think some of what I have shown is close. I dont get the many coils, and I remember him saying it a while back.   Would it be that you have a pulsating coil setup and receivers(many coils) that, stacking the coils "electrically" series parallel  whatever, Stacked, and when placed around the Transmiter, the total out is more than in?  This would be scalar, yes?
Still here, failure to give no. of the many coils fails the criteria of the question.

# 10   4 zeners, 5 electrolytic caps, 2 diodes, alternate switching tech, with improved spark gap tech. with lots of bulky transformer
The 4 zeners are interesting.   Series or parallel.  That he need not answer, as that would not be within the criteria of answering the question. ;]    But I would venture to say that maybe in parallel, that even if the zener voltages tolerances were close, that the one that gets triggered first, would pull the voltage down as to not let the others switch on, due to their zener voltage was never reached due to the one pulling the voltage down when it turned on.  Now, If he said also 4 resistors, then I could confidently say, yea, like an led with resistors on each, all will conduct at approximately the same time. Where 4 blue or white leds, at 4v drop, with only 1 resistor to limit their currents, and the leds are in parallel, only one should light, maybe 2.   The first one on pulls down the voltage and the others get nothing.  The one with the lowest on voltage(voltage drop) gets it all.

Series sounds more reasonable, to increase the zener voltage of the total in series.   I would put my money on series unless they are used individually throughout the circuit.
Other than that, his answer had no component count on the bulky transformers. So , I cannot comment any further.  Criteria of question was not met =]

#9 input is signal from atmosphere then amplified using 3 coils and 4
caps. its like a tpu.

Just 3 coils  4 caps  ?   No antenna? No Wire?   No coil?  No diodes?  No controller box?  We have a TPU champion here folks.
I cannot comment any further on this one other than maybe it can be built and run resistive or inductive loads that use these kind of energies.

And what Ram said,  Im not feeling bad about what I stated to Teeto about forest. I was making a point of how what he said reflects on all here.   It would have been better to pm Forest about it if he were really sorry   I feel a bit distrustful at this time, a bit, and for good reason. But I am willing to go on from here and listen, but I am wary.  Im not stupid.
Sorry Teets   We reap what we sew.   Hopefully there will be no more fibs in your posts Teets.
Its not nice to mislead.  Many here, not all, consider you a leader of sorts, waiting maybe weeks to see if you have posted the things that you said you would.   Hey I didnt say that you would, you did.

Thanks again for the answers. They are a mystery as usual.  As I said that they might be when I asked the question. ;/     =]     But any little bit helps, as long as it is true. ;)   So be True Teets. Ya dont have to give anything, but if ya do, be fair.   Deal?

Ok  all for tonight

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 02, 2010, 06:30:10 AM
:) Lied? No its just about the relay actually. its nothing don't mind it.

Yeah forest is very very close or i believe he got it already.

his word is DAMN CLOSE!  ;D

To all: i'm telling the truth, you can rely on those tips.

I have a question to all: up to now you didn't still get the circuit of tesla
amplifier? or you're just fooling me?. oh come on!  :)

Don't you have an idea how to translate into circuit, the rolling stone ice?
This is actually the main resipee of any free energy.

In C language programming there is what you call a recursion technique wherein you call and execute a procedure or a function of itself. but in time it is running something is being done ok.;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 02, 2010, 06:37:24 AM
Are you saying that if we have a pulse circuit to slowly build a charge in a cap, like a camera flash circuit, litle buts of current at a time, that the input used over that time will be less than the output of the cap? Add extra coils?  Rolling Stones,  I like them, Shes my little rock and roll.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 02, 2010, 06:52:14 AM
in #9 experiment i forgot to include the antenna, and ofcoarse the controller box ok. sorry.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 02, 2010, 06:56:54 AM
:-X

sorry guys.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 02, 2010, 12:43:51 PM
guys,

I'm affected by you comments  :'(
what I can tell.... I love you all  ;D I'm not angry about Tito,I don't care if he lied or actually he tried to give a tip and used too much general words :P

I found  interesting rotary relay  :D:

Listen carefully, looks like we all are awakening slowly.

and from Tito tips :

contemplate unidirectional energy transfer.If we power bulb directly from battery this won't be unidirectional because energy chemical would change.of courser during charging capacitor we makde a little change to the battery but this is initial cost.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 02, 2010, 03:10:55 PM
Forest
Quote:
Listen carefully, looks like we all are awakening slowly.
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I do believe you are correct!
But  I think Teetsla will need a bigger alarm clock to wake us up!,maybe a "sledgeamatic"?

Frozen ice balls?
"crons"?
On an aluminum plate?

Sounds more like an entr'ee

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tenbatsu on October 02, 2010, 03:26:07 PM
Mags, for what it's worth I think you have made the right decision.

Your original design has the most promise, I wouldn't get side tracked until you have tested it further.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 02, 2010, 09:46:10 PM
Hey forest

The video of the guy charging and discharging the cap,  do you see how that circuit, as a whole, gets 2 times as much energy out, as in?

I have seen this in one of my circuits, but I wasnt applying it properly.

This is very important that everyone, EVERYONE, pay attn here.

This circuit that I am going to show here, really puts out 2 times as much power than what is used from the source.   This is no joke.. 2 TIMES       What is that   COP>2  ?

If you watched the video from Forest, the cap charge and discharged, HE IS POWERING A LOAD WHILE CHARGING THE CAP!!!  THEN POWERS A LOAD WHILE DISCHARGING THE CAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   2  FOR  1  DEAL

Titos tips are way too complicated and missing so much, when we all just need a little,  1 cap  1 dpst switch(relay) and 2 diodes  and a load, be it a transformer, motor, heater, or a light at higher freq to eliminate flicker.

We can AMPLIFY ENERGY  now.     We are using the energy twice!   Some may have negative things to say, but I would really like to here from the ones that have a positive thing to say.

In the code circuit, just operate the switch with the mouse. The scopes show the input from source first and output resistor.  We get to use the energy that charges the cap, and we get to use the energy that is in the cap.

Also notice the voltage on the cap as you continue to switch.   This is sweet.  I did a simple test with a motor and the motor seems to go just as long while charging the cap, as it does to discharge it.

Mags 2 for 1 sale   starts today   =]
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 02, 2010, 10:05:56 PM
Here is and alternate by removing 1 diode and it gets more out of the discharge than the charge load usage.

In some loads you get oscillation and the charge of the cap can vary when flipping the switch, so the diodes help kill the oscilation for certain uses. But, other uses may be able to take advantage of the oscillation and get more power out.

Feel free to experiment.   I believe this is a little bit of what everyone is looking for.  ;]

Ill give forest credit for this and the young student that posted that vid.  Do ya think that the kid knew what he had there????   hmmm   maybe    seem like such a general experiment that most may say,  young amateur. But that kid just might be right out of the box, if you get my drift.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 02, 2010, 10:13:53 PM
Hi Magluvin,

Is the current taken from the battery more or is it the same when the load across the transformer secondary is connected or disconnected?

Because I think in case the load is disconnected from the secondary, the current taken from the voltage source on the left is less than in case it is connected.

Thanks,  Gyula

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 02, 2010, 10:23:38 PM
Hey Gyula

well, lets say we flip the switch so that the cap is being charged through the load, if we let the cap fully charge, it has more voltage than the source, just like my precharge circuit, where the inductor pulls mor from the battery than the battery has potential for. During that time of charging, the load will affect the way the charge happens, whether it is resistive(slow charge), inductive(initial currents will be low) but in the end, the charge that is in the cap, got work done while being charged.
Now would you agree that the amount of energy in that cap comes close to being what the source usage was?
Its dang close, and we get to use that energy again to do the same amount of work, but the source only has to do half of it.  Period.  =]

Mags   Im sweating. and its 75 deg in here.  lol  this is good   very good.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 02, 2010, 10:35:21 PM
Well in that case I would agree but it should be tested with real components in practice, with well adjustable timing for the switch, not by simulations.

Normally the cap voltage comes close to a certain value of the voltage source (voltage is divided between the load and the capacitor, depending on the their impedance ratio) and during the resonant energy swingings, depending on the time constants, the voltage across the cap may approach to that of the source. Switch off timing is important.

Sorry but I cannot recall your precharge circuit, I do not closely follow this thread...  When you have time could you point to it.

Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 02, 2010, 11:01:12 PM
Gyula

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg257252#msg257252

On the right, I could just charge the cap directly from the source and get source voltage in the cap, but ad the diode and inductor, we get inertia in the inductor that pulls more energy from the source to load the cap up to 2 times the source voltage.   I am not saying that the extra is free.    The diode just keeps the cap and coil from oscillating and cap gets charged

But in my new circuit, the load does not have to be a transformer.  It can be a resistor for heat, it can be a motor, AC motor at that.

Try this. rig up a 12v battery a dpst switch a cap and 2 diodes, Charge the cap(what ever value) throught the load, the motor will turn for a bit. That is energy used by the motor from the source through the cap, and that will qualify as power from the source. Then we run the motor from just the caps charge, and the motor will run for the same amount of time.  2 for 1   Of course the motor will go in the other direction each flipping of the switch but you get the drift.   Imagine the cap empty as a conductor, the source will only see the motor as a load at first, so full current possibilities get to the motor at first and start to lower as the cap is charged. Once the motor stops, the cap is at full charge.  Try it    And if we know caps, the cap discharge into the load can be more than from the source.

12v bat  charge a cap with a resistor, it will take longer but the cap will get to source voltage.

It is very very easy to do and test

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 02, 2010, 11:08:48 PM
well,

I'd like to know what is happening when we charge a capacitor through the coil as in Tesla igniter patent ?
If capacitor is charged and become a gap in the circuit how coil BEHAVE ? Does it try to discharge desperately because sees open circuit ? I think not, I think capacitor has too much resistance I hope so.Then , does coil search for another path to collapse magnetic field ? well, what if this coils CAN MAKE a SPARK ? would such spark be loud and bright or RATHER SILENT and almost invisible ? would such spark ionize air in spark gap and allow to dump cap energy silently as unidirectional ARC.would that spark from coil be very fast to open and close gap for cap dump ? would cap remain charged  to the same level (almost ) as previously. not sure, but maybe this is what Tito wanted us to know.maybe even that cap from all energy stored can discharge as Tesla mentioned : in intermittent way generating many kicks from one inductive kick, but then it would require very careful choosing of elements.

you are right Mags , we have 241 and that 2 is coil magnetic field.

yet remember this is not OU, this is what Tesla described : taking energy at the faster rate
something is still missing I think but we have found maybe the first step to solution Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 02, 2010, 11:22:08 PM

I know that videos were posted previously but I like them  ;D
still not sure how it works but I feel it is related to Tesla igniter patent
I think I should compare schematics
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 02, 2010, 11:22:30 PM
Hey forest

Maybe you are missing the point.  This doesnt have anything to do with the coil or the transformer or inductance.

In the kids video, he is charging the cap through an led, of which there has to be a resistor so the led doesnt blow

But we can us a light bulb in place of that led, the same bulb he shows to discharge the cap.

If we replace the led with the light bulb to charge the cap, the light bulb will light, and the amount of light and time it lasts is a reflection of power used from the source. And when the bulb goes out, that cap contains the same amount of energy to light that bulb again.

Now, we use a transformer to take that 2 for 1 and we should be able to charge 2 batteries with 1.

Maybe I am explaining it wrong.    I am going to work on this for the day and see what I can do to show it better.

What is so cool is it is not necessary to have high voltages and high freq and all that transmitting jazz, this is simple, simple, simple   and I will have a project on the bench by the end of the day. I have all I need to put many variations together.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: bboj on October 03, 2010, 12:08:07 AM
I think TIito was refering to a shorter stronger burst of the capacitor discharge - energy magnification.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 03, 2010, 12:28:19 AM
Hi Magluvin,

Thanks for the link.  My only respectful question is whether anybody built those simulations with real components and evaluated the results.

Here is another Spice based simulation on discharging a cap into another cap via different loads, please read this if you have not read it, I think the simulation is much more realistic:

However, I am aware of a patent which seems to double the runtime of a load from a battery...  here it is: US 7085123  ( see a free pdf copy here: http://www.pat2pdf.org/  )

rgds, Gyula

Gyula

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg257252#msg257252

On the right, I could just charge the cap directly from the source and get source voltage in the cap, but ad the diode and inductor, we get inertia in the inductor that pulls more energy from the source to load the cap up to 2 times the source voltage.   I am not saying that the extra is free.    The diode just keeps the cap and coil from oscillating and cap gets charged

But in my new circuit, the load does not have to be a transformer.  It can be a resistor for heat, it can be a motor, AC motor at that.

Try this. rig up a 12v battery a dpst switch a cap and 2 diodes, Charge the cap(what ever value) throught the load, the motor will turn for a bit. That is energy used by the motor from the source through the cap, and that will qualify as power from the source. Then we run the motor from just the caps charge, and the motor will run for the same amount of time.  2 for 1   Of course the motor will go in the other direction each flipping of the switch but you get the drift.   Imagine the cap empty as a conductor, the source will only see the motor as a load at first, so full current possibilities get to the motor at first and start to lower as the cap is charged. Once the motor stops, the cap is at full charge.  Try it    And if we know caps, the cap discharge into the load can be more than from the source.

12v bat  charge a cap with a resistor, it will take longer but the cap will get to source voltage.

It is very very easy to do and test

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 03, 2010, 11:29:46 AM
I think...when you charge the capacitor over coil, then as capacitor begins charged the voltage on it will rise and then voltage on coil will fall, so on the load will also fall, thru it, the load will obtain only half energy which is needed to charge up the capacitor. And when you discharge it, the next half will be delivered to the load.
But if  the load will have bigger resitance, then the colapsing magnetic field from coil charge up the capacitor instead to collapse to the load(if is pure resistance) then the spent energy is little recycled as capacitor again discharge>>oscilation.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 03, 2010, 01:29:13 PM
I think...when you charge the capacitor over coil, then as capacitor begins charged the voltage on it will rise and then voltage on coil will fall, so on the load will also fall, thru it, the load will obtain only half energy which is needed to charge up the capacitor. And when you discharge it, the next half will be delivered to the load.
But if  the load will have bigger resitance, then the colapsing magnetic field from coil charge up the capacitor instead to collapse to the load(if is pure resistance) then the spent energy is little recycled as capacitor again discharge>>oscilation.

I agree. There are two issues needed :

1. effective charging of capacitor,instantly recharging the missing little charge
2. very fast taking part of energy from capacitor using not much charge from it
3. by 2 we generate very big magnetic field very abruptly disconnected so collapse is very fast and produce high difference of voltage
4. we repeat 2 while capacitor is immediately recharged by magic method using coil (I'm not sure how it works but a few videos indicate it is possible, maybe if capacitor sees a different potentials between terminals it immediately charge?)
5 energy gain is in collapse of magnetic field abruptly cut
6. some says that that collapse should be doped with HV discharge as per kapanadze but I doubt it is something different, it's just another method to shake magnetic field  which I do not understand yet

This is an effect like when arrow or proper length and elasticity knock in a wood shield with a loud "brrrm" sound due to oscillations of air. It happen not always but when speed and other parameters are correct and I suppose it happen when arrow speed is at max peak just before it knock in the wood...

there   are probably all or most of the puzzles but not arranged yet into any working idea and still missing part is the output and all related
I may be mistaken ,surely I don't know how coil of self-induction works : does it recharge capacitor or rather allow for very short spike from capacitor so do not discharging it (Bearden idea of S-Flow and degenerate semiconductor) or maybe both ?

Tito, do you know which way coil work ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: iflewmyown on October 03, 2010, 05:45:46 PM
What I have done below is very dangerous. Do not do it my way unless you work with these DC voltages every day and KNOW what you are doing.!!!!!!

Mags,
I did replicate your circuit this morning. I used 1200V 165A diodes with line voltage (120vac) rectified to full wave DC and 250mfd total oil filled motor run capacitors and a 130 vdc 2 hp motor to test your circuit. I used these components to minimize the percentage of voltage drop across the diodes. When I close the switch to the line the motors spins a couple revolutions one way ( this way I have to pay for) then when I move the switch the other way the motor spins the opposite way ( this time for free? ). I tried for a long time to get the simulator to run a relay in parallel with the resistor but it never would. This would allow the switch to be automated. I will build this in the shop now. Thanks for all your hard work.
Garry
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 07:01:04 PM
Hey Iflew
Very cool. If you add a few switches to reverse the polarity(for the dc motor) of the cap, the motor will always go in the same direction.  I had suggested an AC motor to make the switching as simple as the circuit shown. and if the relay can handle the current and operate around 60hz, we should be able to run the motor at half the power needed normally. Many modern motors run nearly 90%eff.   So if we can do it correctly, we should be able to get well above 100% eff.    I will not speculate from here till I test and know anything solid.

I experimented a bit yesterday, and I also see that the cap, transformer(or what ever load ) need a balance, as in cap not too small, etc.  It seems to work better if the cap and load are matched. Like and LRC, some values give varying results.

I dug out my AC induction fan (from a microwave oven, just the cooling fan) for todays play.

Thanks for the info on your experiments, and please keep us updated Iflew.  And be careful.  =]

I also started an lrc setup of my first circuit. Im going low power, using diodes and other parts that are available locally as that anyone will be able to put it together at a reasonable cost and technical knowledge.

I know that some are looking more towards HV cap discharges and white spikes coming off of door knobs in the next room, but Energy Amplification can be in any amount, as long as we get more out than in.

Just as in your experiment above Iflew, you charged a cap, and once charged the energy in that cap is related to the voltage it holds. That voltage and charge capability, had to flow through the motor, to get that charge, and we got work done, Now we can get very close to the same work done from the cap alone, and start the cycle over.  Simple,  The reason I say "very close"  is, we may get some variance due to the source being part of the circuit during our power from source cycle.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 07:06:03 PM
Oh Yeah   Iflew?   Can you show your circuit in the sim you had trouble with, maybe we can help. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 07:47:55 PM
I agree. There are two issues needed :

1. effective charging of capacitor,instantly recharging the missing little charge
2. very fast taking part of energy from capacitor using not much charge from it
3. by 2 we generate very big magnetic field very abruptly disconnected so collapse is very fast and produce high difference of voltage
4. we repeat 2 while capacitor is immediately recharged by magic method using coil (I'm not sure how it works but a few videos indicate it is possible, maybe if capacitor sees a different potentials between terminals it immediately charge?)
5 energy gain is in collapse of magnetic field abruptly cut
6. some says that that collapse should be doped with HV discharge as per kapanadze but I doubt it is something different, it's just another method to shake magnetic field  which I do not understand yet

This is an effect like when arrow or proper length and elasticity knock in a wood shield with a loud "brrrm" sound due to oscillations of air. It happen not always but when speed and other parameters are correct and I suppose it happen when arrow speed is at max peak just before it knock in the wood...

there   are probably all or most of the puzzles but not arranged yet into any working idea and still missing part is the output and all related
I may be mistaken ,surely I don't know how coil of self-induction works : does it recharge capacitor or rather allow for very short spike from capacitor so do not discharging it (Bearden idea of S-Flow and degenerate semiconductor) or maybe both ?

Tito, do you know which way coil work ?

Disruptive discharge can be tried by anyone, and I think you will see door knobs spark if done right.

For example, if you charge a cap of small farad to 50kv and discharge it into a large inductance, many turns and finer wire, the intial inrush wont happen as we need. But dump the cap into only a few turns of very stout wire, you will get a huge field pulse. Now if you have a secondary inside that coil, it will receive that pulse with a vengeance, whether it just produces a spark from end to end, or is controlled properly and stored for use.

In automotive, capacitive discharge ignition works the same, but not air core.  The primary is stout, but the secondary is of large inductance.  Maybe an MSD ignition system would be a good experimental device.  But make your own coils.  My suggestion would be to have a primary the same as what is in the coil recommended for the MSD module, and secondary can be the experiment, just be sure to have the secondary inside the primary, as this seems to be the common way, even in an ignition spark coil.   =]   The reason I say to use the same primary as the presrcibed coil, is that it is most likely matched to the MSD modules cap discharge.

This is all just ideas, so play at your own risk.

So the secret I imagine is getting that cap charged easily.  The rest is just transformer.

Was thinking about my first circuit, and Im seeing that we can induce the LRC with a primary over the LRC coil and pulse the primary.  But Im not there yet.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 03, 2010, 07:56:50 PM
Quote
So the secret I imagine is getting that cap charged easily.  The rest is just transformer.

I agree.
I mean it is what Tito described (I believe)  : how to convert one kick into many
but it's only part of secret
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 08:16:55 PM
Whether Tito hands over any solid info is but to be seen.  I think that the references to Tesla and what he discovered, and the Ice Stone are needed to be found.  I Have read a lot, but it seems tesla dicovered many things, which one?

Dont worry forest, I think we are beginning to pick up steam here and others are joining in, and many are watching.

Im not trying to go off on a tangent with new ideas, these things just pop in my head. So I tell as they are interesting.

Ok   time for lunch and back to the bench.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 08:28:14 PM
Just a quip

What if in Teslas Peirce Arrow, 80hp ac induction motor, and a tiny cap across its leads, and give it kicks.
Would the LC oscillate? Would the AC motor run while oscillating?

If a pendulum looses distance with each swing, a tiny kick on each cycle, will enable the pen to increase in height.

That kick needs to happen when the pen reaches top of the climb and stops. The smallest amount of kick will add to the system.

Ok lunch.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on October 03, 2010, 08:45:56 PM
Just a quip

What if in Teslas Peirce Arrow, 80hp ac induction motor, and a tiny cap across its leads, and give it kicks.
Would the LC oscillate? Would the AC motor run while oscillating?

If a pendulum looses distance with each swing, a tiny kick on each cycle, will enable the pen to increase in height.

That kick needs to happen when the pen reaches top of the climb and stops. The smallest amount of kick will add to the system.

Ok lunch.

Mags

The LC(R), will not oscillate if no power will comes additionally
to  fill up all power-losses !!

2.

If you will take out Power from
the LC resonating circuit ..
(equally over transorming coil or mechanical via motor rotation.
IT IS NECESSARY . To put (at minimum!) equivalent POWER as
INPUT to the Circuit device.

3.
ALSO TESLA have take an "extern" power in his "Pierce Arrow"
Car, even he have not explained the "working" of the 1,80mtr
Antenna , and not of the used Vacuum tubes.

Gustav Pese

www.alt-nrg.de/pppp
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: angryScientist on October 03, 2010, 09:05:57 PM
Just a quip

What if in Teslas Peirce Arrow, 80hp ac induction motor, and a tiny cap across its leads, and give it kicks.
Would the LC oscillate? Would the AC motor run while oscillating?

If a pendulum looses distance with each swing, a tiny kick on each cycle, will enable the pen to increase in height.

That kick needs to happen when the pen reaches top of the climb and stops. The smallest amount of kick will add to the system.

Ok lunch.

Mags

You can put a capacitor across a motor and it will oscillate, some what. It will make the motor more efficient. What it does is change the phase between the current and the voltage. It's a very common concept. It's known as "Power Factor Correction".
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
I know that there needs to be supplemental energy to keep the motor running.

1  We cannot leave out the possibility that the motor was not modified.
We all should know that a bifilar coil creates a stronger field than a normal coil of the same wire and total length and resistance. If you wind a nail with 100 turns of 20 awg wire  then another nail with 2 of the same wire, 50 turns each alternating eachother, total of 100 turns, put those 2 coils in series from opposite ends, each nail will read the same ohms. And will pull the same from the source. But the bifi will have a much stronger field.  Try it.  And what of trifi?  Quadfi?  Teets claims Trifi.
If we could take any motor that runs 90%eff(some are better ;]), and rewind it bifi or trifi, will we be over 100% eff if what I said above is true?

2  One of the stories of the few about that car, there was a single 12v battery in the car. Others there were not.
If it were in the car, lets say that the lights needed power, horn, box of 12 tubes and resistors under the dash?
Not to say that the battery was not replenished as needed by the system. Maybe it is the SPRING of his design, as to one of my circuits above that eventually no power comes from the source, but as the circuit continues working, the source SPRING is still necessary to allow the circuit to continue.  Just speculating. =]

There are many ways we can go with this.  But Tesla was all about efficiency, and beyond.  If that car existed, you can guaranty that the AC motor was of his design, and maybe  1 of a kind.  I lean toward bifi mods if I had to lay my Aces on the table.  Lol  I wonder if those rods pushed into the box were tuned for delay in the box, if they were iron. Or the C of the lrc.
remember what Teets said once, I use coil for coil, coil for capacitance, coil for resistor,  well there is resistance in a coil and in the leads of which all need to be added as the whole to come up with the R in lrc.  So an LC circuit could have a good R value without additional resistors. And The coil coild have a good C value if designed properly.

But hey,  these are just my thoughts not my claims.  Stuff to examine and work towards. Some new some old. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 09:41:27 PM
Thanks Angs

Lets say that we get a bit more out of the motor by skipping the input during a few oscillations and then kick it again.  =]   If the first few oscillations are of good qualities, we may be able to reduce the input by just as much.  I believe that input should be timely to the oscillations polarity.

Iflew

1 thought.  Once you get it going, the switching circuit that is, the value of the cap will need to be enough so that during on times of switching, you want the cap to be fully charged and fully discharged.

Smaller the cap, the shorter the switch time.

When you did your experiment above, the motor spins a few times. Does it seem like a descent start for that cap?
Like if it had a few more bursts really quick, does it seem as if it would come up to a good running speed?

Good luck  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on October 03, 2010, 09:46:13 PM
Tesla used the 12volt battery only
for the car-electric (lightning enz.)
possibly also need, for the electronic,
heating the tubes
(but there was type with 70volts filament
heating voltages !! Very mysteriosly!)

The car battery was not used for driving the
car motor or to use  to charge power for the motor.

Pese
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 03, 2010, 10:05:14 PM
Well Pese    None of us can say anything for sure.

The antenna is interesting, as we have the length. Would that not correspond to the freq of operation in some way?
Could the story have been modified , by the "S" people, some where along the way and it should really be 1.93m  ?
We cannot say at all for sure.   I had seen on Rex website that they did a calculation on that, but I was not sure they went about that calculation properly.  "s" people?   lol   Something just seemed misleading to me, i may be wrong.

From Tesla, what we have available are just the seeds, his later work that we dont have are the icing on the seed cake.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2010, 03:56:37 AM
Wow everyone. GREAT JOB!  ;D

I'm very happy for what is happening here in this thread though i'm not receiving anything.

I hope in my own little way of disgusted answers help you little awake in my simple discovery.

To everyone that i made you feel bad, so soooooory ok.  :)

i missed one person here = panos matragas (a.k.a.) bart#\$%@#^ your absent!    ;D

To what i had read , i can say that you can now stand half of your foot guys and i'm very proud of that.  :D

I'm sorry guys but i have to leave you now in the road.   :(

Mags, Forest, chet are already there to guide you ok. your really a good guys bro. salute you.  ;)

Sir wattsup and sir pese thanks for the very good post where i learned a lot ok.  :)

Tesla used battery just for a stable source, and as what i always say is , just to minimize or save some modules.

Forest  : Tito, do you know which way coil work ?
answer : why our fingers do not same in size but when they do the job, they work perfectly. :D

A lot of people trying to see me looking any info in me, hahahaha, i'm not stupid to do that ok. i'm not just just hahaha  ;D

P.S. I am now concentrating in my singing career, cause i see some free
energy in my throat, hahaha  ;D

Anyway GOD BLESS all of you my brother.

THE BEST EVER TIP I COULD GIVE TO ALL OF YOU
Here is what i want you to do if you really care for everyone.
Accept JESUS CHRIST as your personal savior and if you want to go further then read the BIBLE and always try to watch Charles Stanley's preaching.

Real repentance is the key to salvation of our soul.  :)

TILL THEN:  Merry Christmass! love you all!  ;D

Asta la Vista bro!
Tito L. Oracion  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 05:21:17 AM
Wow everyone. GREAT JOB!  ;D

I'm very happy for what is happening here in this thread though i'm not receiving anything.

I hope in my own little way of disgusted answers help you little awake in my simple discovery.

To everyone that i made you feel bad, so soooooory ok.  :)

i missed one person here = panos matragas (a.k.a.) bart#\$%@#^ your absent!    ;D

To what i had read , i can say that you can now stand half of your foot guys and i'm very proud of that.  :D

I'm sorry guys but i have to leave you now in the road.   :(

Mags, Forest, chet are already there to guide you ok. your really a good guys bro. salute you.  ;)

Sir wattsup and sir pese thanks for the very good post where i learned a lot ok.  :)

Tesla used battery just for a stable source, and as what i always say is , just to minimize or save some modules.

Forest  : Tito, do you know which way coil work ?
answer : why our fingers do not same in size but when they do the job, they work perfectly. :D

A lot of people trying to see me looking any info in me, hahahaha, i'm not stupid to do that ok. i'm not just just hahaha  ;D

P.S. I am now concentrating in my singing career, cause i see some free
energy in my throat, hahaha  ;D

Anyway GOD BLESS all of you my brother.

THE BEST EVER TIP I COULD GIVE TO ALL OF YOU
Here is what i want you to do if you really care for everyone.
Accept JESUS CHRIST as your personal savior and if you want to go further then read the BIBLE and always try to watch Charles Stanley's preaching.

Real repentance is the key to salvation of our soul.  :)

TILL THEN:  Merry Christmass! love you all!  ;D

Asta la Vista bro!
Tito L. Oracion  ;D

Well Teets, I have seen you say you will go away a few times, but ya keep coming back.  ;]

I think what we have here as a whole has a lot of experimental value.  I am getting my rotor, that I usually use, as a voltage source for my cap discharge..   In one of my YT vids, I charged a cap well above 100v very easily with a spin of the wheel.  I chose this method for my own reasons and I get that voltage charge easily that way. Caveman Special  =]  Now I have found a device that is called a "voltage switch".  SIDAC.  You pick the voltage that you want it to come on and she does until the voltage is lower. I found out about it in and old, April 1999 Popular electronics mag in an article on how to produce high voltage easily.  A very interesting device, of which I think the zener could work also, not sure.  Im checking them out now.

I would print the article but I dont have permission

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2010, 05:34:51 AM
Well Teets, I have seen you say you will go away a few times, but ya keep coming back.  ;]

I think what we have here as a whole has a lot of experimental value.  I am getting my rotor, that I usually use, as a voltage source for my cap discharge..   In one of my YT vids, I charged a cap well above 100v very easily with a spin of the wheel.  I chose this method for my own reasons and I get that voltage charge easily that way. Caveman Special  =]  Now I have found a device that is called a "voltage switch".  SIDAC.  You pick the voltage that you want it to come on and she does until the voltage is lower. I found out about it in and old, April 1999 Popular electronics mag in an article on how to produce high voltage easily.  A very interesting device, of which I think the zener could work also, not sure.  Im checking them out now.

I would print the article but I dont have permission

Mags

No! don't worry the floor is now yours. its final!  ;D

i will just go back here if i will ask something maybe.

p.s. Cause i'ved even smell someone wants me outta here. but its okay ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 05:37:52 AM
These Sidacs are just diodes of another breed,  here are some specs of 2 from 1 company

# K150:

* Breakover voltage VBO: 140V (minimum) and 170V (maximum)
* Breakover current IBO: 10uA (maximum)
* Blocking voltage VDRM: 115V (minimum)
* Peak off-state current IDRM: 5uA (maximum)
* Continuous on-state DC or RMS current IT: 1.0A (maximum)
* Holding current IH: 100mA (maximum)
* Peak on-state voltage VTM: 1.5V (maximum)

# K200:

* Breakover voltage: 190V (minimum) and 215V (maximum)
* Breakover current: 10uA (maximum)
* Blocking voltage: 150V (minimum)
* Peak off-state current: 5uA (maximum)
* Continuous on-state DC or RMS current: 1.0A (maximum)
* Holding current: 100mA (maximum)
* Peak on-state voltage: 1.5V (maximum)

Not sure I get all of that but this is whatthey said. Will look more.

These are a silent spark gap if I have seen any. ;]
Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 05:46:58 AM
Hey Teets

Even I await your posts in good hopes. Its just , well hard on our end. I know you want me to work for it. We are.
I feel that you dont like it when we get close. Thats just my feeling. thats when you say the goodbyes, but you will always be there.  ;]
Those goodbyes are the biggest clues of all. Baahahahahahaa  lol

Stick around. Its your thread. If I make comment, I am not untrue.  If you want to be a bigger part of it, then be here. I like ya and many others do.

So we continue on.  We will succeed. Its all here I believe, all here that we can get at least 1 job or idea working.
This is good stuff and Im here for the ride.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 05:59:43 AM
Listen Teets

What do ya say? we are going to get it, and in more than 1 way very soon.  Be a man and be a part of something that is good and real. Do you see me holding back?  You may not like it but it is happening.

I used to have thoughts of if I came up with my own solution that i could make money at it. That will never happen or be short lived. Everyone should know this so they can do it in an easy and safe manor, for themselves or their neighbors and end this mess we are all in. From now on I spit it. And mostly in hopes that many will receive it before it gets lost, if its worth anything at all.
See ya around Teets  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2010, 06:01:48 AM
Hey Teets

Even I await your posts in good hopes. Its just , well hard on our end. I know you want me to work for it. We are.
I feel that you dont like it when we get close. Thats just my feeling. thats when you say the goodbyes, but you will always be there.  ;]
Those goodbyes are the biggest clues of all. Baahahahahahaa  lol

Stick around. Its your thread. If I make comment, I am not untrue.  If you want to be a bigger part of it, then be here. I like ya and many others do.

So we continue on.  We will succeed. Its all here I believe, all here that we can get at least 1 job or idea working.
This is good stuff and Im here for the ride.

Mags

Everything is already there, i have nothing more to say.

i enjoy a lot of you there guys.

using a very simple 555chip makes this tpu a smooth and safe. ofcourse with our amplifier added.

one thing more i used 78XX sometimes as amplifier also.  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 06:08:15 AM
Very cool and thanks.  ;]

See,  we will have 23000 post reads by this time tomorrow.

In your opinion, or experience, tpu can run more than just a bunch of light bulbs, or motors also?  Just wondering if the motor would affect it differently than the light bulbs.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 06:18:30 AM
Or maybe you will sing for us today.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2010, 06:22:54 AM
Very cool and thanks.  ;]

See,  we will have 23000 post reads by this time tomorrow.

In your opinion, or experience, tpu can run more than just a bunch of light bulbs, or motors also?  Just wondering if the motor would affect it differently than the light bulbs.

Mags

Well, a tpu is just a transformer and if you violated its watts capacity then ofcourse it gets hot.

78xx is really a good source of current.  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 04, 2010, 06:25:08 AM
Can someone run a simulation on this circuit. I know didly squat about simulation programs. I would be very curious to learn of what a simulation would show.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2010, 06:27:36 AM
Or maybe you will sing for us today.

Mags

hahahahaha  ;D

oh ya i'll do that someday i'll make another thread for singing.

i think stephan must include an option for singers here, so that some will just watch for singers as they are waiting for answer or relax for a while.  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 06:33:55 AM
Hey Watts

I will give it a shot.  Any values on them parts?   Also, it looks to be a switch and a push button to the right of the battery?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 06:34:53 AM
Singing with the Stars    Tito Montana

mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2010, 06:40:52 AM
Singing with the Stars    Tito Montana

mags

;D

bye  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 04, 2010, 10:34:28 AM
Some interesting variations about Tesla ignition patents based on wattsup schematic
A lot of kicks  :o
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 06:45:21 PM
hey Forest

Nice job on the circuit. I changed the scopes to show input vs output.  The first scope is of the source and the other is of the output resistor.  It seems very clear and simple that there is more out than in. But, if the output pulse is 160th the time on, then it is very close to equal to input, due to the input is continuous.
I also did a bit of change on the freq of the pulse.
Will look at it when I get home from work. Im on lunch   Salami and mustard samich   mmmmm

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 04, 2010, 07:08:03 PM
Hey   forgot to upload the code

The first is of forests circuit modified a bit as told above.

The second is of how the igniter circuit is done.  Remember the switch is in series with the primary and the cap, so when the cap gets charged by the inductor, the switch shorts the cap to the primary.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on October 05, 2010, 12:37:20 AM
Isn't this energy amplification!!!

and the acoustic version...

Sorry I a fan but if this is possible then so is OU    8)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2010, 12:45:40 AM
Man that guy got some hairy arms,  but not a sprig on his head.      lol

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2010, 01:46:10 AM
Sorry forest

Your circuit does the same function as the igniter..  It was different in config but the same. Just realized it.
Good go forest.

mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2010, 02:35:09 AM
Well I looked at it a bit more, and there is a difference. The difference is that the primary is involved in series with the switch as the large inductor is charging, where as yours is not. But it might not be a bad way to go either way.
It is possible that having the primary involved with charging the large inductor, may prepare the primary for discharge by having some of an opposite polarity before the switch is closed. Dunno yet. Is Teslas way better?
I will try some things to see what haps.

This is an interesting variation.  Actually I looked back at the Popular Electronics article and it is the same as you show, using the SIDAC as the switch. I am experimenting tonight with some zeners as the switch.  i think they might work as they do in the sim, not great for this application. Will find out.  I tried to put 2 zeners in series to make a SIDAC, but Im not sure yet if it is the same.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 05, 2010, 02:37:03 AM
Hey Watts
I will give it a shot.  Any values on them parts?   Also, it looks to be a switch and a push button to the right of the battery?
Mags

@Magluvin

To the right of the battery is just a master switch. The real magic is happening when that center one turns on and off. The top left coil should have a high inductance. The coil to the right of it is a primary of low inductance feeding the secondary. Both this primary and secondary are considered the "working circuit" part of Tesla's Ozone Patent. The capacitor should be around 47mf.

This simple Tesla circuit employs damped DC pulses and the return to source is incredible. This provides the 2 for 1 bang. This is the only circuit I have tried that has actually given me some serious shocks so if anyone tries it, be careful.

When you do your simulation like this, is there a way that you can save it and export it as an animated gif so you can put it on this thread while still having the animation working.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2010, 04:14:23 AM
Sometimes I see a circuit that is just oriented differently, and it takes me some time to say hey, thats the same circuit.   Your right Forest, the igniter and ozone are very similar. There is that difference that I described just a bit ago.

Actually I did not see Watts circuit as the same at all till now.  I assumed that the 2 coils inline as the primary, well I thought it was all primary from left to right with a center tap.  lol   I would not have assumed that the coil on the left was a large inductance compared to the right.

Either way, Forests circuit is what you are looking for. As to whether the Igniter will produce the same exact result is yet to be seen, but they have all the same ingredients and functions, all with the exception of the position of the cap and switch. If the switch is across the large inductor/source directly, it is Ozone. Now change positions in the circuit, the cap and switch, to where you have the cap across the large inductor/source, and you have the Igniter circuit.   Hmmm   when ever I looked at the ozone pat, I couldnt get a grip on it. But if this is it, they are very close to being the same.  The igniter was simpler to recognize the functions within the circuit.

I have a screen capture prog that i can try to make a lil vid, and if it is small enough, Ill post it. 300kb, aint much.
If I squeeze the components and move it close to a stacked scope shot, Ill try to fit it if all works well.

I will try to do a circuit with your 47mf (is that micro farad, or milli farad?) and see what can be had.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2010, 04:58:45 AM
Ok   made a small vid,  It is very short to qualify for upload. Hopefully it replays faster on post than in jet audio

Lets see

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2010, 05:00:07 AM
Hmm   not the way I planned it.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 05, 2010, 08:37:26 AM
Isn't this energy amplification!!!

and the acoustic version...

Sorry I a fan but if this is possible then so is OU    8)

keep lips :-)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 05, 2010, 08:38:04 AM
keep lips  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 05, 2010, 09:37:33 AM
I'm not sure how to understand coil polarization during disconnection. Assume we have charged coil from DC source of high current then we disconnect + from battery to coil and coil energy collapse. We know that coil tries to maintain current flow and become a source. What is the polarity of coil-source then ? Is that the same a battery so we have + on disconnected coil end and - on the other ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 05, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
I'm not sure how to understand coil polarization during disconnection. Assume we have charged coil from DC source of high current then we disconnect + from battery to coil and coil energy collapse. We know that coil tries to maintain current flow and become a source. What is the polarity of coil-source then ? Is that the same a battery so we have + on disconnected coil end and - on the other ?

hi,

I think you have to consider voltage across the coil and current in the coil.

Voltage polarity flips across the coil after the moment of switching off the battery voltage.

Current polarity does not change, only it starts decreasing from its earlier value towards zero, depending on the load across the coil.
IF there is no load and the coil is left on its own, the energy in the coil starts swinging as in a LC tank circuit (the C is the coil's self capacitance) until losses dissipate all energy.

Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 05, 2010, 02:38:33 PM
hi,

I think you have to consider voltage across the coil and current in the coil.

Voltage polarity flips across the coil after the moment of switching off the battery voltage.

Current polarity does not change, only it starts decreasing from its earlier value towards zero, depending on the load across the coil.
IF there is no load and the coil is left on its own, the energy in the coil starts swinging as in a LC tank circuit (the C is the coil's self capacitance) until losses dissipate all energy.

Gyula

Thank you.
I'm not sure if I understood but if I connect coil to DC battery, charge it with current then disconnect coil squeeze trapped electrons and become source of voltage in opposite orientation then battery yet electrons flow in the same direction but slowing due to difference in potential across coils ?
Then if we immediately connect coil back to source battery what would happen ?

Could it be that coil having higher voltage then battery would recharge battery back (minus some lost energy during disconnection time )  ? Maybe we should place a diode which will redirect trapped electrons from - side of coil back to - terminal of battery ? Hmm ..or from + side of coil ? Anyway we really do not need those electrons, let them return back to source.

I'm wondering if Tito would be so nice to help here.We have two choices:
1. Somehow return back electrons from coil to the source battery
2. Let them stuck inside coil so the next time coil is shorted it won't take much of them from battery

hmm..Tito place your bet ... :P 1 or 2

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 05, 2010, 02:56:03 PM
I don't know if we can trust in circuit simulation programs.  :-[

Check this simple circuit. It shows that when coil is disconnected it become the source of energy and electrons try to escape from it.If we place zener diode it sees higher voltage then a battery source and open.
IMHO it should be just a spike coming from coil to the battery but simulation shows that zener diode is open for a long long time and remain open at then end of current flow.Simulation also shows that curren flow still from battery through the open zener diode to the coil and not from coil.That's strange indedd if coil is a source of higher voltage then battery.
Personally I would throw away simulations  >:(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 05, 2010, 02:56:56 PM
Ok,simulation code

\$ 1 5.0E-6 119.19350207351468 52 5.0 50
v 432 528 432 256 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
S 592 256 592 176 0 1 false 0
l 592 336 592 528 0 3.0 5.000000095818947E-6
w 592 576 592 528 0
w 432 576 432 528 0
w 592 576 432 576 0
w 432 256 432 176 0
w 432 176 576 176 0
w 592 256 592 336 0
z 592 256 432 256 1 1.0 14.0
o 2 128 0 35 0.3125 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 0 64 0 35 20.0 9.765625E-5 1 -1
o 9 64 0 35 20.0 9.765625E-5 2 -1
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 05, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
I told you that a long time ago those simulators made me think I had OU.

I lost it when a virus that attacked the  win32 executables hit my machine and rendered it useless for a long time.

I will try to install it again and use it just to see if the parts go well one with the others.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 05, 2010, 03:32:47 PM
Tito, please help a bit with tip  :-*. Would ordinary car relay in self-oscillating mode can work in ozone patent (just a tiny bit of it so we could see it works the way we are searching for) ? or we should start to whirl  ::)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on October 05, 2010, 04:02:07 PM

This is an interesting variation.  Actually I looked back at the Popular Electronics article and it is the same as you show, using the SIDAC as the switch. I am experimenting tonight with some zeners as the switch.  i think they might work as they do in the sim, not great for this application. Will find out.  I tried to put 2 zeners in series to make a SIDAC, but Im not sure yet if it is the same.

Mags
An SIDAC (I worked with them 25years ago)
are workink like Trigger diodes ( ER900 ans so on)

Voltages can go up to an "know" value
and break than down to (near) ZERO Volt,
can be handeld up to several amperes .
(as an switch)
That was an Invention, to replace
SCR (Thyrsistors) and Triac (bilateral Thyristors)

This was vey unusual , i dont know only one
electronic engineer tha have worked with them

If you will replace this , (for working in same ways). you will
try to use Znerdiode AND one SCR .

Pese !

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 05, 2010, 06:53:37 PM
Thank you.
I'm not sure if I understood but if I connect coil to DC battery, charge it with current then disconnect coil squeeze trapped electrons and become source of voltage in opposite orientation then battery yet electrons flow in the same direction but slowing due to difference in potential across coils ?

Well, yes the potential difference will work against the original current because the resultant potential is still in opposite direction wrt the earlier battery polarity so the current gradually decreases. If you do not have load across the coil, then all the big spike (after current switch-off) charges up the coil's self and stray capacitance and the very moment all the potential went into the capacitor, current in the coil becomes zero: a normal LC tank circuit behavior and the stored energy starts swinging.
If you have a load across the coil then the spike drives current through that load.

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Then if we immediately connect coil back to source battery what would happen ?

Because the voltage polarity across the coil is opposite to that of the battery, you cannot connect it back directly again, because the difference would still be with opposite polarity.  IF you had two parallel guided wires in the coil, insulated from each other, i.e. a bifilar coil, or a 1:1 transformer if you like, then you could make the second coil (which is in the same collapsing field) completely battery-pole independent so that the ends of the second coil could be connected back to the battery in the correct polarity via a diode.

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Could it be that coil having higher voltage then battery would recharge battery back (minus some lost energy during disconnection time )  ? Maybe we should place a diode which will redirect trapped electrons from - side of coil back to - terminal of battery ? Hmm ..or from + side of coil ? Anyway we really do not need those electrons, let them return back to source.

If you want to return them back, why would you launch them out at all? What benefit would electron moving give you? Bearden always says: do not brake the dipole (here the battery), use only the potential...

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I'm wondering if Tito would be so nice to help here.We have two choices:
1. Somehow return back electrons from coil to the source battery
2. Let them stuck inside coil so the next time coil is shorted it won't take much of them from battery

hmm..Tito place your bet ... :P 1 or 2

I think none of them...   What Tito may have been using is charging up capacitors gradually to a higher and higher potential from one or more collapsing flux field(s) and then comes his secret... how to utilize the high potential.  If he is correct and does not talk big, that is.

Gyula

EDIT: DO NOT trust circuit simulators, always consider the results with suspicion!!!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
I'm not sure how to understand coil polarization during disconnection. Assume we have charged coil from DC source of high current then we disconnect + from battery to coil and coil energy collapse. We know that coil tries to maintain current flow and become a source. What is the polarity of coil-source then ? Is that the same a battery so we have + on disconnected coil end and - on the other ?

Forest

the coils can produce BEMF, but first it will need to produce a continued emf.  When we collect BEMF,Reverse, it is a product of when you disconnect the coil from power, the coil will oscillate a bit on its own, due to internal inductance and capacitance.  If the continued emf is not able to continue out of the coil(when disconnected) then it will change polarity and try to go the opposite way. And if it cant go that way either, then it just dies quickly.  I posted this here earlier, that the continued flow of emf is probably stronger than if left to reverse(bemf) because with each oscillating phase within the coil, it is dieing quickly..

The continued forward emf is what gets my earlier precharge circuit to nearly double the voltage into the cap from the source. Using a diode to not let the caps charge get away, once the coil gets energized, and the cap reaches the source voltage, the coil is not done yet, Inertia within the coil will pull more from the source than its potential.  Inductance is in opposition to current change.  Once current really begins to flow in the coil, if you take the source current away, the coil is in opposition to that change and wants to let it continue to flow.
So if you Kick the coil, the current flows as if you kicked a ball and it continues to want to roll. And will stop eventually due to resistances.

Here is code that shows the 2 differences in bemf and the femf I am speaking of.   And the sim is working properly for these functions. It is a very simple project to try.  You can even place a cap inline with the diode on the circuit on the left and the cap will charge from femf.
I believe the bemf is a step lower in power capabilities than the first wave of femf inertial flow.

In the first circuit on the left, charge up the coil then let loose and watch the current flow. In the 2nd circuit, charge the coil, and as you charge the coil, the cap will be charged close to source also due to the diode polarity, but when released, the femf has nowhere to go. So when it reaches its end of that coil self oscillation phase, it goes the other way and sends charge to the cap though the diode and we get more volts than source.
Once the coil has a path for the charge to go, if the receiver takes it all and doesnt give any back, the coil will be at rest and will need recharge from the source.

Mags

\$ 1 5.0E-6 10.20027730826997 48 5.0 43
s 464 192 528 192 0 1 true
l 464 192 464 464 0 1.0 0.0
v 528 464 528 192 0 0 40.0 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
r 464 464 528 464 0 0.01
w 464 192 400 192 0
w 464 464 400 464 0
d 400 464 400 192 1 0.805904783
v 736 464 736 192 0 0 40.0 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
s 672 192 736 192 0 1 true
r 736 464 672 464 0 0.01
l 672 464 672 192 0 1.0 4.0810760304617655E-16
d 672 192 624 192 1 0.805904783
w 672 464 624 464 0
c 624 464 624 192 0 1.0E-5 9.999997757257145E-4

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 05, 2010, 07:02:21 PM
My personal opinion is that @tito does not give any good advice because he does not know it himself and he is waiting for one of you to find the answer and post it asking him if that was what he was doing and he will say, that its exactly what I was doing.

Remember I could be wrong though.

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 05, 2010, 08:55:00 PM
That is classic phenomenom that people belive in free energy so much, that adapt fact to the teory, instead making teory from fact.
And fact is, tilo just say : hey, I have free energy and you dont, but it is sooo easy hahaha, and I will not tell you. Fact is, he do not show anything. Fact is, there is no reason to believe.
So he is actualy joining to a huge community on the internet, which create bigger fog around free energy, that is fact.
But this is public forum, where anybody can write, thanks for that, but we must keep in mind it. His word maby inspire someone. but directly lead nowhere, as we are seen many times. More people are confused instead inspired.And author enjoy it, so why not.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on October 06, 2010, 01:40:00 AM

I know that videos were posted previously but I like them  ;D
still not sure how it works but I feel it is related to Tesla igniter patent
I think I should compare schematics

Sorry to bring this back up but how small of a scale can this process work?  How much usable energy can we get or does it depend on how fast we hit the switch ie short the wires together ???
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 06, 2010, 03:32:39 AM
I have seen the vids this guy did a while back.  In the one vid with the spark gap. He describes that the battery does not have enough energy to get the gap to spark but the cap does.  Sounds and looks logical.  But if the primary of that transformer were about 10% of the turns as what it has, the batteries would work and HAVE enough power to make the gap spark.  His definition of power seems off.  But he does have some interesting vids and some very basic ways of showing the ideas.

The first vid seems as if he is doing my precharge circuit without a diode and getting more than double voltage, where I have not gotten more than double in sim or on the bench with the diode in this config.  Tesla, his rotary switches were his diodes. Timing.   This guy had timing with his slap of an alligator clip.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 06, 2010, 06:06:57 AM
Sterling put up a YT vid of mine , actually the first vid i made for YT when I was working on the Whipmag, to experiment with the Anti Gearwise function.
Hatem Magnetic Cogging Device   at Peswiki      The guy told sterling that I have demonstrated a few possible ou prototypes on YT..  Well I hope he lets me know which ones.  lol

They used my vid in the article as a demo of this guys concept. I have to check what he is all about.  At first glance, I have doubts.   But hey, flywheels are coils. They both have an opposition to change.  Bedini and the mechanical coil.   Like Teets,   coil for coil, coil for resistor, coil for capacitor, coil for flywheel.  =]   Not saying that this guy intended on flywheel function, alone.

My setup is almost there, should be having some vids shortly, as in tomorrow or so.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 06, 2010, 04:21:51 PM
Mags

Or is it Infamous?

Will you still remember us when You get to the "Big show"?
Thanks for all your doing Bud!

They say 3rd times a charm,
You have a lot of "charms "in the bank!

@Teets
Why can't you answer "Tarzans" question?
Quote:

Tito, please help a bit with tip  . Would ordinary car relay in self-oscillating mode can work in ozone patent (just a tiny bit of it so we could see it works the way we are searching for) ? or we should start to whirl  ?
-----------------------
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 06, 2010, 06:35:08 PM
Na  not famous.  It nice to have a bit of recognition though.

Maybe some of my stuff is better than what I have shown. Maybe they just need proper refinement.

at Lunch

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 07, 2010, 01:08:02 AM
This is Kapanadzes energy amplification using Don L Smith and Tesla work.
Is there anyone here that can add the exact or best part values?

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 10, 2010, 05:34:56 AM
hi good day ladies and gentlmen  ;D

oh boy i'm again disappointed with this thread. :(

Ok here it is: YOU CAN ACTUALLY DICTATE WHICH WAY YOU GO OK:  is that ok forest? that is the sense of controll
i am saying ok!

We can use a simple relay in ozone patent as a vibrator setup.
But computer fan is much better in heavy duty use.

@ IWD and nieves i understand you guys but always be positive cause negative energy is just useful for me in battery  ;D

What i'm telling is that I HAVE ALREADY DISCOVER THE AMPLIFICATION WHAT TESLA IS SAYING AND I'M TRUTH FOR THAT AND NO JOKE THAT IS THE ROLLING STONE ICE OR THE FALLING DOMINO.

AND IT IS FOR SALE FOR JUST \$10M USD SORRY.

BUT I'M AFRAID TO SELL IT CAUSE THERE IS DANGER IN MY SIDE ;D

conflict!!!!!

==============================================

i admit here that the information for one version of amplification that tesla is saying is already here but the other one: the rolling stone ice is not here still.

i cannot respond always cause i'm just renting a computer. i'm out of money  ;D

==================================================================

class please stop murmoring cause it cannot help just do it there is always a better way ok.

what do i get here ok. none!, i will stop now,  i'm already giving the best and closest clue ok.

oh boy i feel mad again!  >:(

mags, i think you have to post again the MAD TEETSLA.  ;D

==============================================
You know what?
if you you cannot tell something good that make me give more tips please don't say negative ok cause that makes my lips again in a very close tight again! like this :-X

Because of that i will not anymore go back here anymore!!!!!

i think you need to combine son and a gun.  >:(

SOMETIMES WHEN I SAY 2 OR THREE COMPONENT MEANS I'M USING THEM FOR CAPACITY ENDURANCE OK.

Don't you see a very very big gain in ignition patent?  that is just a common sense and a logic to use that free energy really exist ok! ;) and that problem is just very simple but very hard for those who are not using their brain! sorry!. sir wattsup said turkey brain  ;D

GOODBYE !!!!!!!!  >:(

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on October 10, 2010, 08:15:18 AM
AND IT IS FOR SALE FOR JUST \$10M USD SORRY.
It's a lot of money. And it is probably worth of this sum if it works as you say; I have no reason to not believe you. But, just be realistic: who can afford this? It is much smarter to sign a contract with a manufacturer to earn a percentage per piece manufactured, or so. This is an advice which experts give to inventors.
You can find good info on this matter as well as on protection ways, just googling it, perhaps this site has such info.  But I think, disclosing your invention on an open source like this one, is also an option and this way does not prohibits you from your ownership, especialy when you clearly state that your intention is to sell your idea.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 10, 2010, 12:18:36 PM
Sir Tito,

Your tips are GOLD and SILVER ! I salute you.  :)

Don't be disappointed please. Knowing something and building something are two different things.
And yes...we are lazy  ;D, but you should know that it's hard to make rotating circuit controller from scrap parts - need a lot of imagination. I cannot for example resolve a way to glue magnets to CD-ROM disc to sustain 3000rpm from my very old Sony CD. It has a small DC motor (one of the first CD-ROM players on the market, newer have 3-phase AC motors), but this motor is so small that I dare not to disassemble it so I don't know how it is made (I heard that so fast DC motors have not commutator  :'( )

Be patient - we are taught to close circuit in the way that is killing the dipole that's the source of problems.

To re assume :
1. Capacitor does not store charge in the way we think of it (not electrons!)

2. To not killing the dipole we have to  discharge capacitor separately , when not connected to the source.

can we charge capacitor the same way ?  ::)

is that a "hands kick method" ?   ;D what is a magic inside this motor ?

Kapanadze he has nice green box , I guess it has be made from aluminium and painted green
he is killing the dipole but I saw one video when one guy was kicked by a switch  ;D

well I still have many problems with coil and capacitor orientation and how to place cables around them  ::)

my starting point is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9irQJ6mivs&feature=related
it is similar to igniter and ozone patent
I must  find a way to accumulate more kicks in this video circuit  because disconnecting capacitor every way after one kick makes to small gain, I think from your last tip that DC motor can do it fine  :-*
can we divide circuit into parts , like 2 for example , to analyse separately ?  ::)

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 10, 2010, 03:22:34 PM
Sir Forest,

Very nice movies!
Can you explain what kind of magnets you want to "glue"?And how you want them glued[polarity and such]?
Will RPM be specific to a Timing?[frequency]

Can they be mechanically attached [ nylon screws and glue]

Very nice movies !

Tito used to give us movies too!!,but I can see where you are going with yours!

And of course, the Now famous Mags [big shot "wiki" guy] always makes his own movies![good ones].

Chet

PS
Sir Tito
Hopefully good things can happen now!
Thank you "Sir"
And BTW
I used to think you were a no g#@# st^%&\$#\$ guy!
But now I find that sometimes I want to shake your hand and give you a Hug.[a man hug!![not girly hug]]

PPS Sir Forest,
I shared your Sunday morning movies over here!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6521-dont-kill-dipole-3.html#post112760
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 10, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
@Tito

I see you have not learned anything from @otto's swift departure from this Earth. So I guess you think you will be living forever. That you are the exception to the rule and you have all the time in the world to accomplish this dollarama festival you are running after.

So I guess you do not realize that even if you came out with a total disclosure of your OU works, that within 1 week it will be replicated and within 1-2 months it would be rendered totally obsolete once the basic function is understood, people will take this and make so many variations. And that obsolescence is a good thing that keeps people alive. It is a good thing to be known as the seed and be respected and even recompensed. But in order to realize this, you have to have faith. Those that do not have faith have kept their secrets close to their heart, but even their heart has to stop sometime and now they are gone forever.

So keep playing this game if it makes you feel superior, or invincible or eternal. Reality will win in the end and as long as the ride was immersed in your illusion, I guess it makes things OK.

But if you need some money, just make a small unit that shows overunity and send it to @stefan to be entered for the OU Prize. There is some money there just for these reasons. I am not saying your life is not difficult and that you have no need for money, etc. But the way you think you should do things is simply wrong, chock full of danger and you risk losing everything in the process. The guys with the millions are not stupid. They know you are hungry and they will wean you dry as a bone before you see any money. This is not the way to live my friend. Think about it.

@all

In the Tesla Patent there is only one main variable to the design. That is how to create the make/break so it will last more then an hour at best. Everything else is laid out for anyone to see. The explanations of how the circuit "really" works is also on the forum mainly under the The Tesla Project thread that is chock full of goodies. Just use your search feature creatively and you will find the answers. The relationship between coil and capacitor size and make/break frequency used is very important. The lower the frequency, the bigger the coils should be to be as closely timed to their charge/discharge rates.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 11, 2010, 11:43:21 AM
Hi everyone i want you to watch all of LASERSABER'S video they are of a good help.  ;D

sample:

@sir watsup
thank you i'm ok now ;D

===================================
See SM made use of stubblefield tech in one of his tpu, cause a very small energy like a .5v is enough to amplify.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tenbatsu on October 11, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
Magluvin, any update on your experiments?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 11, 2010, 06:36:40 PM
Im still around.   Had some issues with how things are working.  My whole weekend was shot.  Bang bang

I am picking up some parts I need tonight and back at it.

I know Teets says " dont you see the amplification in the igniter pat"    and im trying to.    I see the input being held back by the large inductor, as to where there seems to be a constant current flow from the input. But the short outputs have me thinking that over the period of time from pulse to pulse, It looks like the continuous input could add up to the total of the output as it is short. Maybe Im wrong, and being that the output pulses are so big and close, that the load sees it as a continuous flow, depending on the load.

Like if we have 10w continuous in and pulses of 1kw out, are we sure that the time span of output is larger than 100th of the input?   I got a cap on the primary which seems to help prolong the output, but it lowered my peak a lot.

I also took some time to read some of the thread Watts recommended above and it does go over a lot of what we are going for here.

Be back after work

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 12, 2010, 03:10:18 AM
Tito is right. We should stop what we are doing and just go with Stubblefield coils.  Its really cool.

Not

Not that the air battery isnt very cool. I like it a lot. But there must be some life expectancy from it.  Its not a 100 amper nimh D cell.

Maybe there is a connection to what we are trying to do here. Im stickin with what we came for.

I know Teets is  wanting us to stubble a bit, but I gotta keep on track. I dont always have a lot of time for what Im working on.

One Mocopozo vid uses the coils as flywheels.  1 being switched and the others on the loads are being kicked to drive the loads. I like Moco's stuff. Zeropoint321 turned me on to his vids a while back..

Still workin on it guys. Will post the second I have a vid goin.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 12, 2010, 05:13:48 AM

See SM made use of stubblefield tech in one of his tpu, cause a very small energy like a .5v is enough to amplify.

Well, if we had a small solar cell, we could charge a battery and use that as input also, and during the day have another tiny solar panel running the circuit.  Thats all fine and dandy. Stick a penny and a nickle in an Orange and we have something to work with.  Its the Amplifying that we are after.  If we can amplify, we dont need the source anymore, or at least we should be able to replenish the source from the amplified output.

I get the point that we can make a small voltage into a high voltage.      Could it be that the short stout primary is the key?  Could it be that if set up with a cap to oscillate, it is a hard field to be damped by a secondary because it has so much going for it, and so little resistance and few turns?

I have been looking at some variations of coils I have that are of very short turns and varying stoutness.
Ok the source never sees the load directly, only to use an inductor to induce a high voltage charge in a cap at a low current rate from the source.. Now probably any cap discharge into a low ohm will be disruptive of sorts. So 500v from a tiny cap will set off an lc resonant circuit, being of the primary and cap. Should the cap stay switched ON with the primary for a bit to continue oscillations? (this is what I am fighting with in my setup now)

Now that MIT vid with the dissectable jar cap was astonishing.   If we were to just use a wire from the inside to the outside of the glass, would there be electron flow in the wire when it discharges? Just a jiggle?  Is there electrons freed from the plates stuck to the glass?  Are there more electrons on one plate than the other when removed, yet no charge differential between them when dissected? Questions questions.  Caps   no electron exchange. Just the force Luke.  We are now in the 4th dimension.

Never Kill The Dipole      Does that mean never a discharge from the Dipole? Or only kills after a very long time?
Are we to just use the source as a spring (jiggle) and it is never depleted?

I understand that you are trying to show us what can be used as a source Teets, But if we never kill the Dipole, then what does it matter what source we use?   Amplify?  Dats da quekstion.

I wonder if the stubble works in a vacuum?   Stubble Hubble Bubble.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 12, 2010, 06:05:08 AM
Hmm  Moco has something. I didnt see the cap on the load section.

I did a sim using 1 load light bulb. Looks good.  The inputs are a pulsed type that go along with the output. But the output is 5 times more.

Well  if this is it, then Teets has given it here.  =]

This will be a lil project I can whip together pretty quick.

I am going to take notes on what I have together now and disassemble and put this baby to work.

Here is the code

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Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 12, 2010, 06:37:14 AM
Here is another Moco circuit with 1.2v source and tuned a bit more to just over 10 times out than in

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 12, 2010, 07:08:52 AM
So this is what "kickin" is Teets?   just kickin the inductor along to keep the flow going? FEMF
Hmm  Thats what we have been talking about boys, the inductor flywheel, with a lil bit of jiggle in the load section. That I have also brought up earlier, if we have a resonant circuit, if it is damped by the load, it may only get a few cycles, but if one of those cycles is as big or bigger than the input pulse, the the rest of the waves are free, the few we have left before the next input pulse. This is good.  Its seemingly a lot clearer.

It seems as though we could get these functions to work mechanically.  Really, Im not seeing energy from the vacuum, Im seeing energy of the function.

I like this Moco setup.  I have some Tesla circuits of different sorts from Colorado Springs Notes that I need to gander at.

Well, its just a resistive(light bulb) load here, but it should prove valuable if it works. Gotta get some sleep, tomorrow is a new day. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 12, 2010, 09:13:19 AM
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Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 12, 2010, 09:15:14 AM
Mags

You are  ;D ;D  ;) just imagine a Tesla doing  discharge from capacitor

Why the hell he used so many ways to make it DISRUPTED ? Magnetic quenching, hot air,rotary controllers,multigap spark gaps etc

I think it was not clearly described in any thread . May I be right sir wattsup ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on October 12, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
@forest

In many cases Tesla did not have the high voltage available to then discharge it directly into his coils. He had to first produce the high voltage from the voltage that was available to him either through a stand alone generator, a battery bank or directly off the mains, store it, then discharge it into his coils. The Tesla Ozone Patent is one means of economically generating high voltage. But like @erfinder once said, "who said you have to then just produce ozone". lol

The idea behind producing output is easy. The idea is to get the energy that is produced completely out of the production side and safely banked on the output side. The sooner the energy is removed from one side, then this energy can no longer work against the production side. The production side sees the output bank is empty so it can now recharge it fully from 0 to full again making each cycle as productive as possible. If the load side is consuming 80% of the production, then there is 20% that is always stagnant the production side now has to start at 21% to increase the bank again. But the production always starts at 0 so it has to reach 21% to now add 1 more to the output side. The idea is to keep the load away from the production so the production always sees a return resistance of 0.

I think @Tito is referring to the zener diode to accomplish such a separation but only once the production side has reached a minimal level. This then discharges into a separate holding system possibly through another voltage increasing method so the next cap tank can then hold higher voltage. But it is always left to some level of guess work.

One example of this uses simple switching to keep the input side far away from the load side. So let's say I will give you 1 volt forever. You can take that 1 volt in one second, or you can take 1 volts 10 times a second, or 1000 times a second. You will always have a 1 volt available for as fast as you want to catch it. But it is only 1 volt. So what do you do? I have made an animation some time ago to show such a switching scheme to catch that 1 volt, accumulate it, and pass it on to a next stage that is totally separate from the feed side. It all has to do with switching capacitors. This is a very tedious method but is shows the step by step of what is involved.

You can see it here;
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/voltage-grabber-circuit-VGC/
Just click on the gif file.

But here is the clincher. I could be totally off the track as far as @Titos device is concerned and this is the danger of discussing stuff on a Forum. Sometimes, someone opens his mouth and guys can then swing their attention to other avenues that just lead to dead ends. So please do not take what I am saying here too seriously. In a way, my stomach is full already with all the guesswork we went through with SM devices, and so many other mystery devices, and @Tito is just another source or reason for more guesswork. It's always the same thing. No one has the faith. Everyone only thinks of himself. Wow, I wonder where we would be if every man on Earth past and present lived that way. We'd be up Shits Creek without a paddle, actually without a boat.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 12, 2010, 04:16:39 PM
sir wattsup

Sorry if I misunderstood but I think you see only one side of the coin  ;D
Something I already knew long time ago , and this is what Tesla described a magic in capacitor - that you can discharge it very fast thus managing any rate of energy flow....The second side of coin is not described except in Tito tips ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 12, 2010, 04:42:34 PM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 13, 2010, 12:19:52 AM
Yes Forest,   ;D ;D

Im running some test runs on my 2mh coils as a pulse motor, like a bedini, but with extra coil, like Moco.

In the past on some of my YT vids, when I thought I was catching bemf, I was really catching femf.  I have to go through them to see which ones.  I remember the diodes being backwards but working, and I just assumed that it was bemf, and didnt know femf even existed at the time. Not that they went in depth one the subject back then. .  Lol  like when I said  Left Hand Rule.  Its right hand. lol
Feel like a fool at times.

The tings we remember and the tings we forget, or get twisted.  =]

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 13, 2010, 02:09:10 PM
@forest

In many cases Tesla did not have the high voltage available to then discharge it directly into his coils. He had to first produce the high voltage from the voltage that was available to him either through a stand alone generator, a battery bank or directly off the mains, store it, then discharge it into his coils. The Tesla Ozone Patent is one means of economically generating high voltage. But like @erfinder once said, "who said you have to then just produce ozone". lol

The idea behind producing output is easy. The idea is to get the energy that is produced completely out of the production side and safely banked on the output side. The sooner the energy is removed from one side, then this energy can no longer work against the production side. The production side sees the output bank is empty so it can now recharge it fully from 0 to full again making each cycle as productive as possible. If the load side is consuming 80% of the production, then there is 20% that is always stagnant the production side now has to start at 21% to increase the bank again. But the production always starts at 0 so it has to reach 21% to now add 1 more to the output side. The idea is to keep the load away from the production so the production always sees a return resistance of 0.

I think @Tito is referring to the zener diode to accomplish such a separation but only once the production side has reached a minimal level. This then discharges into a separate holding system possibly through another voltage increasing method so the next cap tank can then hold higher voltage. But it is always left to some level of guess work.

One example of this uses simple switching to keep the input side far away from the load side. So let's say I will give you 1 volt forever. You can take that 1 volt in one second, or you can take 1 volts 10 times a second, or 1000 times a second. You will always have a 1 volt available for as fast as you want to catch it. But it is only 1 volt. So what do you do? I have made an animation some time ago to show such a switching scheme to catch that 1 volt, accumulate it, and pass it on to a next stage that is totally separate from the feed side. It all has to do with switching capacitors. This is a very tedious method but is shows the step by step of what is involved.

You can see it here;
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/voltage-grabber-circuit-VGC/
Just click on the gif file.

But here is the clincher. I could be totally off the track as far as @Titos device is concerned and this is the danger of discussing stuff on a Forum. Sometimes, someone opens his mouth and guys can then swing their attention to other avenues that just lead to dead ends. So please do not take what I am saying here too seriously. In a way, my stomach is full already with all the guesswork we went through with SM devices, and so many other mystery devices, and @Tito is just another source or reason for more guesswork. It's always the same thing. No one has the faith. Everyone only thinks of himself. Wow, I wonder where we would be if every man on Earth past and present lived that way. We'd be up Shits Creek without a paddle, actually without a boat.

wattsup,
assume you have a big heavy obelisks in domino fashion  :D you need a big buum to move one but then you need nothing more
and yes,rate of change means more then power
actually yours words are not bad at all  :D   just place a little twist here and there  ;D
quench store shake some LEFT   ::)
because you can have 1 volts forever   ;D after
actually I checked and it does not depend on capacitor, big, small high low behave the same way as in video but for igniter patent it has a meaning
8)

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 13, 2010, 02:23:40 PM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 13, 2010, 02:47:23 PM
capacitors cannot store charge
look here

if capacitance of parallel plate capacitor do not depends on charge placed between plates and because energy stord insid is
E=0.5*CU^2 that means energy of capacitor depends only on voltage and size of capacitor

I can only guess that in MIT dissectable capacitor video we see how assembled back capacitor recreate charge in metal terminals
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 14, 2010, 07:03:58 PM
Well, so far things are disappointing. But I think I know what I am missing in this,  and the right caps will be needed.
I have a few caps that are very leaky, as in the charge they hold dissipates within the cap.  Still workin on it. My bench, err dresser top is a wreak.  ;\

I was just here having lunch and saw this vid on YT.  It was just on my homepage as a pick for me.

This motor gen is very interesting and he has an analogy of its function using a bowl of soapy water and running the tap into it from the edge.  Notice the copper tubing and how its arranged.  I am seeing the copper tubing as a very stout coil/electromagnet that acts upon the wheel in a way we might not get conventionally.  I believe the current is entered through the shaft tubes.  If it works, its energy amplification, so I thought to put it up here for a gander.  I wasnt too crazy about it at first, but then I got hooked.

Last night I was just doing some basic tests of som inductors and working on an inductor calculator to twist my own. ;]

Mocos circuit is an inductor discharge into the resonant circuit.  And I think that him having the 3 outputs with coils in parallel to the R to ring longer.  Not sure if thats the case or if just 1 big bulb and inductor can be a substitute.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 15, 2010, 02:29:57 AM
guys

Im having a hard time today
Im living in my brothers house and paying full rent and bills that he is racked up to 2 times what they should be.
We were arguing and he is always right.  Like the text books I read in electronics school.  ;/

anyway I am testing some coils and caps to find a GOOD resonance.   Any one have a formula for equal cap and coil resonance?  This is not to be found on search.  It seems to be a secret.   I suppose I have to test and test and test.  Yummy.  lol   Im not having a good day, so if someone can help us out here it would be plenty appreciated. =]

I went to electronics for 3 years at Votech and 2 years at Electronics institute of Pitts.   I dont remember it all, I admit, but there is some things that they did not tell me.  Thats our world. And we need to change that.
Our world.  WE can make a difference.

Whether we are all crucified for it, it is what we believe. Dont let it fall between our finger tips.

I admit again, I need help here. I need all that can be given.

Mocos circuit is missing parameters. I cannot get to that point.  He has a good circuit. Its a start.

is it 100uh per load. Is it 1h on the input inductor? dunno   I can say that from what I read, 1h is big. real big.

but I am probably going to long on my pulses to the input inductor and causing too much current for too long on my input.  Moco uses a transistor, and it works.  I believe in Mocos stuff as I have watched his stuff before and it is trust able.

Anyway, having a bad day.   I have been having them for a bit now and about to explode, pop pop.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 15, 2010, 02:35:11 AM
@magluvin

Just get away from your projects and get some diversion. I am sure that when you are away from it something triggers the solutiion idea.

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 15, 2010, 02:55:23 AM
I have faith Jesus   =]    Sometimes we forget that it exists and we go beyond in what we shouldnt.  But I do come back to reality.  i just need to settle tonight.   i will always be thinking.

Thanks Jesus. And thanks Jesus.  =]

mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: iflewmyown on October 15, 2010, 03:30:48 AM
Hey Mags,

http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/

This will find your values for you.
Enjoy
Garry
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 15, 2010, 03:43:20 AM
Thanks Iflew
But what I am looking for is to find a balance between the cap and inductor.  There is a so called full resonance, in which the balance is of equal energy between the cap and inductor. Sure there can be resonance between any combo, but when equaled, there is no comparison.  =]

I have searched for this answer and have not found it yet.   Thanks for the site though, I liked the way it does the calc as in, it allows any parameter to be calculated easily.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 15, 2010, 03:54:59 AM
In fact, if someone busted out 2 values that are in my quota, this would be all said and done with. We then could work from there with just about any value, in comparison.
Im still searching..

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: bimbothova on October 15, 2010, 06:57:46 AM
This may help guys ...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_Hatem_Magnetic_Cogging_Device

Overunity.com page ...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9854.msg260627#msg260627
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Doug1 on October 16, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
This may help guys ...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_Hatem_Magnetic_Cogging_Device

Overunity.com page ...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9854.msg260627#msg260627
Thanks for the link I had not seen that vid before. Thank you Magluvin for the video as well.
It made question perhaps that cogging effect also happens within the wire windings around a core. Im still trying to get my head around the model.
I suspect there is a single condition that must happen to extract more work out of then is put in to any arangement.This model is very interesting.
I also have to wonder if there is not some micro sized nodes that are so close together around a core that the normal way to over come this is in the practice of using more turns and then falling back onto the cogging effects between winds to get out anything usefull. I would like to think there is a way to use use the micro nodes better if they exisit.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Doug1 on October 16, 2010, 06:53:03 PM
Now it has me thinking more.
The lever or cantileaver is used to multiply force sacrificing distance but what if your distance requirements are not so great. Like rowing a ship with many paddles and many people. Once the ship gets going momentum will take over to some degree.
If the flux is movement rather then having one winding of many turns maybe many small seperate windings of nearly no turns or the least turns would reguire little power to a longer secondary or even a collection of the same. It would be interesting to know if it is a case of normally having a great deal of waste then trying to figure ways to resolve the waste outside the cause of the problem. That would certainly insure a great level of difficulty in getting unity over 1.
Boy wouldnt that be a bitch,like looking for a better shock absorber to over come the ride from your square tire.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 16, 2010, 09:44:48 PM
Thanks Iflew
But what I am looking for is to find a balance between the cap and inductor.  There is a so called full resonance, in which the balance is of equal energy between the cap and inductor. Sure there can be resonance between any combo, but when equaled, there is no comparison.  =]

I have searched for this answer and have not found it yet.   Thanks for the site though, I liked the way it does the calc as in, it allows any parameter to be calculated easily.

Mags

Hi Mags,

Would really like to understand what you think of but no clue...  would you describe it in some more detail?  Never heard of 'full resonance' or of  'balance between the cap and inductor'...  Probably it is the words that block me (English is my second language) but if you could put it otherwise it may be of help to understand you.

Thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 16, 2010, 10:03:18 PM
Hey Gyula
I have read that any cap and coil can have resonant frequencies.  But, when the cap and inductor are of equal energy storing capabilities, the resonance is best.  Maybe I am not saying it right.  Im still searching for that statement.

Hey Doug

Im not sure the Hatem devices claims, if real, have anything to do with the cogging.  His mags are set up for a very tight gearing. And each wheel carries a lot of weight, including the mags.

But I do know from my experiments that all 3 of his cog wheels add up to 1 larger flywheel.
I sorta see the flywheel as an inductor, and an LC circuit as a pendulum, or just an off centered flywheel.  Like the inductor is, in theory, a perfect electronic flywheel, and a cap sets it off balance.  How much do we need to make the wheel(inductor) off balance to become the longest lasting electronic pendulum possible?

Im working on some things this afternoon. Will be back on later..

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 16, 2010, 10:49:44 PM
Hey Gyula
I have read that any cap and coil can have resonant frequencies.  But, when the cap and inductor are of equal energy storing capabilities, the resonance is best.  Maybe I am not saying it right.  Im still searching for that statement.
...

Yes, any cap or coil combination has got a resonant frequency somewhere, the Thomson formula give the frequency.
Or you mean a cap or coil has an equivalent circuit with a series inductance in case of a cap and a distributed parallel cap for a coil? Yes this is so and in both cases the loss resistances are also considered. This means that a cap has a series resonant frequency in itself, without adding any coil to it, and a coil has a parallel resonant frequency in itself, without adding any cap to it. Is this what you think of combining?

Considering the equal energy storing capability: if you mean the stored energies are equal in them, then you can equate the two formulas for the stored energy in case of an L and a C like this:
E=L*I^2/2   and E=C*V^2/2   so L*I^2/2=C*V^2/2  from this it comes that  L/C=V^2/I^2  so square root(L/C)=V/I and V/I=Z and this Z is either the capacitive or inductive reactance in Ohm at resonance.
Will further ponder on this, what advantage this might give if any...

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 16, 2010, 11:15:47 PM
Yes Gyula  Maybe it is that hey have the same resonance, but I remember the equal energy thing.
Like a huge coil and a tiny pico cap may not be as good as a larger cap, And the same vice versa, a huge cap and a tiny inductor.  where is the middle?   If we know the middle, we can scale our parts equally in either direction for what ever purpose..   Like a pendulum and flywheel,  the pen is just a coil with a cap.  The total weight of the offset flywheel is the inductor and the cap is how much offset there is. Think about the many combination's that would give different results?

Today I am messing with a larger wire/few turns coil. Just to see what I can see.

I was checking out Core's project.  He says it gives him headaches pretty quick, and goes away as quick as they come when he shuts it off.   I would like to stay away from such projects. Hopefully this is not one of them.  =]

Be back in a bit.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 17, 2010, 09:56:11 AM
Yes Gyula  Maybe it is that they have the same resonance, but I remember the equal energy thing.
Like a huge coil and a tiny pico cap may not be as good as a larger cap, And the same vice versa, a huge cap and a tiny inductor.  where is the middle?   If we know the middle, we can scale our parts equally in either direction for what ever purpose..   Like a pendulum and flywheel,  the pen is just a coil with a cap.  The total weight of the offset flywheel is the inductor and the cap is how much offset there is. Think about the many combination's that would give different results?

Today I am messing with a larger wire/few turns coil. Just to see what I can see.

I was checking out Core's project.  He says it gives him headaches pretty quick, and goes away as quick as they come when he shuts it off.   I would like to stay away from such projects. Hopefully this is not one of them.  =]

Be back in a bit.

Mags

Hi Mags,

So you are thinking of the so called L/C ratio I guess. It means that the AC impedance of an LC parallel circuit at resonance can be much different in case you use a 10uH - 100pF combination (their resonant frequency is 5.03MHz) or you use for instance a 100uH - 10pF combination for the same 5.03MHz resonant frequency.
The impedance for parallel LC tanks comes from the reactance value of either the L or C (they are the same at resonance) multiplied by the coil's Q or quality factor. (Assuming the Q of the capacitor is much higher than that of the coil, normally this is valid in practice.)
So assuming a moderate Q of say 80 for a practical coil at 5MHz, the impedance, Z for such a 10uH coil + 100pF combination comes out as Z=Q*XL, XL=2PI*f*L=6.28*5*10=314 Ohm so Z=Q*314=80*314=25.12 kOhm. Now if you use the 100uH - 10pF combination and suppose you can make a 100uH coil for 5MHz with the same Q=80 value (still practical), then the impedance for this case comes out as XL=6.28*5*100=3140 Ohm, Z=Q*3140=80*3140=251.2 kOhm

So we have a resonant AC impedance of 251kOhm versus the 25.1kOm just by using a 100uH coil instead of the 10uH (assuming a Q of 80 for both, this is important when you compare) and using a 10pF cap instead of the 100pF capacitor value, respectively.

Now the question is how the stored energy varies in the different cases? The stored energy in a capacitor for instance depends on the second power of the voltage across it and linearly depends on its actual capacitance value: E=C*V2/2  This means if you decrease the cap value 10 times, from 100pF to 10pF, the stored energy gets 10 times less, assuming the voltage would remain the same,  however, for the capacitance case of 10pF the 251kOhm resultant AC impedance inherently involves higher resonant voltages too (still assuming the loaded Q is 80 of course) so the stored energy can easily turn to not a decrease but a gain. The resonant impedance increase is ten times (251kOhm/25kOhm) so the AC voltage across it can also be 10 times higher and the 10 times increase in voltage means a 100 times increase in the stored cap energy.

Considering this for the coil, the stored energy E=L*I2/2 and the ten times linear increase of L from 10uH to 100uH gives a 10 times increase in stored energy and the second power of the current may remain at the same value like in case of the 10uH if the loaded Q is kept at the same Q=80 value.

If these 'ramblings' are correct (I believe they are), then there seems to be no middle value for the L-C combinations you look for but an extreme limit of using the highest value coil with the smallest value cap if you are to maximize stored energy...  This may correspond to Tesla's coil where he did not use any parallel capacitance but the unavoidable self-capacitance and used thick wire for his coils to reduce losses to a minimum.

I have not mentioned yet that if you increase the coil's inductance from 10uH to 100uH and suppose you use a thicker wire for the 100uH coil to get the same DC copper resistance like the 10uH coil has, then the quality factor also increases 10 times because Q=XL/R where R is the losses that include the DC resistance, the main loss factor for an air core coil. The higher coil Q gives higher AC resonant impedance. So your larger wire tinkering is good direction.

If there is a correct equivalence comparison between a mechanical pendulum and an LC tank circuit, then the above reasonings somehow should reflect back on the pendulum, within reasonable mechanical limits of course.

Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: iflewmyown on October 17, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
@gyulasun
An excellent explanation!!
Garry
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 17, 2010, 04:06:57 PM
to gyula: great nice facts

actually ..can be easily say: the energy in LC tank will be grater when you use bigger capacitance than inductance. in case 100uh 10pf will be energy smaler than in case 10uh 100pf.
But the tank will also need more energy to delivery (smaler resistance)

In reality, on the coil will be almost same voltage in both cases, but the current will be bigger in case of bigger capacitor.(that means also bigger power on coil)

When you use a thicker wire to coil, then the coil wil also have bigger capacitance because bigger surface of the wire, and Tesla uses a ground which add serious capacitance to the coil but do not decrease his Q.

But the ground ...is already charged, so when coil oscilate every time on the grounding point of the coil is positive is smal amout of charges indrawn to the coil, that create a magnetic field which will add to the magnetic field of the coil and when the magnetic field collapse.... charges up the capacitance to bigger value that before ...and bigger potential will indrawn more charges from earth, so in that case on secondary coil can be bigger movements of current (bigger power) as tesla stated in one of his patent. that of course will have bigger influence on the primary.
if you feed your tesla coil directly from semiconductors or some like that. you will see a serious rise in consumption form source in resonance point. Interesting is... that is not happening  when you use disruptive discharge thru spark gap metod :) because there is only final amount of energy which can be delivered.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 17, 2010, 08:41:33 PM

Garry and IWD: Thanks for the kind words.

To IWD:

You wrote the energy in an LC tank is greater when using the lower value coil i.e. in my example the 10uH - 100pF values at 5.03MHz, compared to the 100uH - 10pF combination. And you added that for the 10uH - 100pF combination the tank needs a higher input energy to keep up oscillations because that combination has less resonant impedance than 100uH -10pF combination.
Ok, I agree but this is just the opposite conclusion to what I wrote in my previous post...
However, now I think both of us are right LOL and the explanation for this virtual controversy is found here, see the very bottom text in this link:
http://www.play-hookey.com/ac_theory/ac_lc_parallel.html

"...if we use a large value of L and a small value of C, their reactances will be high and the amount of current circulating in the tank will be small. If we reverse that and use a low value of L and a high value of C, their reactances will be low and the amount of current circulating in the tank will be much greater. Many applications of this type of circuit depend on the amount of circulating current as well as the resonant frequency, so you need to be aware of this factor. In fact, in real-world circuits that cannot avoid having some resistance (especially in L), it is possible to have such a high circulating current that the energy lost in R (p = iÂ²R) is sufficient to cause L to burn up!"

Now I wonder if Magluvin has received an answer for his question...  ;)

Gyula

to gyula: great nice facts

actually ..can be easily say: the energy in LC tank will be grater when you use bigger capacitance than inductance. in case 100uh 10pf will be energy smaler than in case 10uh 100pf.
But the tank will also need more energy to delivery (smaler resistance)

In reality, on the coil will be almost same voltage in both cases, but the current will be bigger in case of bigger capacitor.(that means also bigger power on coil)

When you use a thicker wire to coil, then the coil wil also have bigger capacitance because bigger surface of the wire, and Tesla uses a ground which add serious capacitance to the coil but do not decrease his Q.

But the ground ...is already charged, so when coil oscilate every time on the grounding point of the coil is positive is smal amout of charges indrawn to the coil, that create a magnetic field which will add to the magnetic field of the coil and when the magnetic field collapse.... charges up the capacitance to bigger value that before ...and bigger potential will indrawn more charges from earth, so in that case on secondary coil can be bigger movements of current (bigger power) as tesla stated in one of his patent. that of course will have bigger influence on the primary.
if you feed your tesla coil directly from semiconductors or some like that. you will see a serious rise in consumption form source in resonance point. Interesting is... that is not happening  when you use disruptive discharge thru spark gap metod :) because there is only final amount of energy which can be delivered.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 17, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
Good stuff guys.  Thanks for your work here.  It is all work when you think about it.  =]

Im tryin to bust a problem on my buddys laptop. Has an antivirus virus. lol   You know, the antivirus that yells and screams at you to purchase their product, that probably doesnt exisit. Every 20 seconds it interupts anything you do.
I should be done in a bit.

I cant wait to get back and absorb it all..  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 18, 2010, 12:46:05 PM
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy mad dog.

::)

Bye and good luck ;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: penno64 on October 18, 2010, 02:01:12 PM
@ Tito

Avramenko ?

What ??

Penno
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 18, 2010, 02:14:35 PM
I have problem where to connect http://amacci.net/blog/?p=598
in Tesla igniter patent :(
or maybe it is not required ?

???
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 18, 2010, 03:09:32 PM
@ Tito

Avramenko ?

What ??

Penno

He suggests using the Avramenko plug?

http://www.alternativkanalen.com/s-wire.htm

http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.htm
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 18, 2010, 03:36:16 PM

Mags,

Here is link, maybe you have seen it,  deals with induction heating but basically a very good discussion on phase response and impedance mathing wrt series and parallel LC resonant circuits.
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indheat.html
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 18, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
If next thing to mix to this mumraj is avramenko.

\$ 1 5.0E-6 10.391409633455755 50 5.0 50
d 224 80 448 80 0
d 672 80 448 80 0
w 224 80 224 368 0
w 672 80 672 368 0
c 224 368 448 368 0 1.0E-7 -9780.42923460616
c 448 368 672 368 0 1.0E-7 9780.429234618226
w 448 80 448 112 0
R 448 112 448 128 0 2 40.0 5000.0 0.0
r 448 368 672 224 0 1000000.0
r 448 368 224 224 0 1000000.0
r 448 448 672 448 0 100.0
A 448 272 448 176 0
g 672 448 672 544 0
c 448 448 448 512 0 1.0E-5 4.4783854611084335
g 448 512 448 544 0
d 448 368 448 448 0
d 448 272 448 368 0
o 10 64 0 3 40.0 0.4 0

When square wave is HV coil, ground is clasical earth and antena can be just wire. then the 100 ohm resistor is the load. Of course this simulation is not exact. Because planet earth is hard to simulate.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2010, 01:20:02 AM
Is it this what we are looking for?
I mean Magnification or amplification?

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 19, 2010, 05:28:02 AM
....

The process of the amplifier referred by tesla is explode then stop and listen then explode again then harvest the wires.

The other brilliant one is explode then a wave of explosion will next to it without a connection from the first explosion then harvest the multiple gain made by the first small explosion.

ooops don't forget the recursion and cron to make a perfect timing in loop.

NOTE: This technique can lead into a masssssss destruction so be careful. a loop should be in control or else LIGHTNING WILL APPEAR INSTANTLY! AND MAKES YOU CRISPY AND DELICIOUS!!!

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 19, 2010, 06:13:22 AM
Another Example:

Let say for example everyone is holding a candle, starting from me, i will lighten the two and the two will lighten the four and so forth lighting everyone by everyone.

This technique is the rolling ice stone or falling domino and this is the ultimate amplifier of tesla that was not directly recorded but we can see the first steps in many of his patents.

All we need to do is RE.

That's it, i have given you the closest tip i could give, i hope you can do it

Good luck once again, be careful and bye.  ;)

Otits L. Noicaro ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 19, 2010, 06:49:00 PM
Thanks Teets.  Its hard to imagine the dominoes, as after the have all tipped over, we have to reset them all again.
But im sure your tips will get us there as we go along.

I also believe you about the lightning. I have not done it yet, but I can see that the voltages can get way up there with the right ingredients.
I like the 2 diodes on the end of the secondary with the load.  I read that article many times. I am going to try that at some low voltages, as the article says it can be done.  I am thinking that possibly this  can be done with many coils and outputs, without affecting the source. I think, from what I gather from the article.

My projects of late have been dull.   I get full of excitement then depressed a bit. But I have been there many times and it is becoming easier to deal with.

Im in a process of moving again.  But, I didnt really unpack most of it while I was here. So it will go smoothly.
Some moving this weekend and next. So I still have time to party with the coils and caps during the week.  =]

Thanks all, you all bring a lot to the table and it helps my enthusiasm.

At lunch   bbl

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on October 20, 2010, 12:25:58 AM
With high quality and low capacitance I can see where you are going with this Tito.

wait for it...... ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 20, 2010, 03:15:28 AM
With high quality and low capacitance I can see where you are going with this Tito.

wait for it...... ;D

No! just use ordinary ac capacitor and at least 5 - 30uf will do the job ok.

and we don't need that tesla coiling method!

everything is on how you make your coil or transformer.

bye;

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 20, 2010, 04:05:46 AM
Teets   Question   =]

Now im in the fog.    Dont follow Tesla coiling method?  But I thought that was what we were suppose to look at carefully.
There are many ways to make coils and transformers.  Wow, we got a lot of work ahead of us.

Oh well, im guna start winding.   I made a toroid inductor yesterday, on a core that was from a high end car amp power supply. It is 40 turns of 18 awg, but the first 20 went all the way around to the start, and the other 20 went inbetween each of the first 20 turns. Bifi. I dont know if the core will affect its bifiness, but its just one of many coils I have made. I should take a pic of all the coils.  My most intense ones were the Orbonbon coils. Just the making it neat and perfect is timely.
Well Im going to try this toroid and see what it do. Wut it Do.  lol   I jabbed it with 12v from a 7ah bat. As I held the leads coming from it, when it made connection, I could feel the lead jerk, err, I felt something.  It happens every time it takes the current.  Though the core is wound tight, as I thought the core may be the jerker, I think it is just some motor force at work. Against what, I dunno.

Ok I gotta try some things with this.

Thanks for the tips teets. I cant say I am using all of them, as I dont understand them all yet, but my molasses gray matter is being stirred.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 20, 2010, 04:15:44 AM
Is it this what we are looking for?
I mean Magnification or amplification?

Jesus

Hey Jesus

What if there were a bunch of the Extra coils. Would it load down the source?   Man, just when I think I have some answers as to how to use coils in a different way, a new idea comes along.

Well, my bench will be the last thing I move , as I move, and will be set up directly when I get there. But a new desk will be had for it. I need some shelves. =]

Ok  I gotta go make this coil jump around.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 20, 2010, 04:53:25 AM
oh i'm sorry, i was referring to the picture presented by nieves above, we don't need that, that is bulky.

re peat, re turn, re do, re cursion, re new, re wind, re cycle is all that we need to increase energy. and that is very fast ok AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO USE.

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 20, 2010, 05:02:57 AM
Its hard to imagine the dominoes, as after the have all tipped over, we have to reset them all again.

i am referring to the "Active Falling", no resetting to be done just go back.

consider those dominoes as ________, sorry mags that's it. ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 20, 2010, 05:11:00 AM
Sorry Teetsla   You have me Re coiling  Re capping Re everything.  lol

I know you are trying to make a point   But can you sharpen it a bit? The Point?   Re Point?   =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 20, 2010, 05:32:52 AM
Sorry Teetsla   You have me Re coiling  Re capping Re everything.  lol

I know you are trying to make a point   But can you sharpen it a bit? The Point?   Re Point?   =]

Mags

THE POINT IS IF YOU CAN CHARGE A CAP GREATER THAN THE SOURCE USING ONLY ONE MODULE THEN AS IT RETURN, THERE IS AN INCREASE OF AT LEAST ONE GAIN THEN YOU HAVE SOLVED THE PUZZLE.

THE SECOND POINT IS THIS IF YOU DISCHARGE A RESERVOIR IN A MULTIPLE HOSE USING AGAIN A SINGLE MODULE THEN WHEN IT RETURN IT CARIES ONE GAIN OF ELECTRON THEN SUCCESS. YOU HAVE SOLVED THE PUZZLE. BUT TAKE NOTE : IT SHOULD BE IN A CONTROLLABLE MANNER OK! OR ELSE "BOOM"  :o
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 20, 2010, 03:05:13 PM
@magluvin

I took that schematic from a site that is trying to accomplish the same magnification that is on the photo.

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 20, 2010, 03:48:30 PM
Tito,
Quote,:
AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO USE.
----------------------------------------
Does this part mean a battery?
{meaning a battery is VERY important for this]

Chose one.
1. yes
2.No

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 21, 2010, 05:28:18 AM
Wow Nieve   That is a huge setup in front of that house.  The neighbors must have been terrified.  =]

Hey Teets.  Ok, that point was sharpened, and thanks.   Modules?  Ok well thats the first I have heard that from you. But you had termed it another way before.   But modules are cool.

Im a bit lost here but will keep on truckin.  =]   I did have a question, but as I wrote this, I decided it was invalid. =[

I had tried the 2 diodes on a load off of the end of a secondary as shown above, and nada.
Not at high freq, but as the article said, that low voltage and freq could be done also, I didnt get anything.
I thought about it for a bit as to how current could flow through the load in this config.    Lets say a positive or negative phase caused current to flow through 1 diode, through the load, and back out the other diode back into the same wire. I suppose it could happen, like a single wire cable can send multiple signals at once.  But I see the open ended secondaries charge at the time to work against this, in my mind.   hmm   I have some ideas that I want to try to see this effect, so back to the bench.
I hurt my heal today from stepping on a rock the wrong way, and its hurtin.  Im guna get some rest.

I have been desiring being able to put up some vids. I enjoy doing them. But they need some good content.

Man I wish I didnt have to work so much and be able to get more done here. Im trying to give a lot of attn here, but with the move and my brothers bad attitude here, I have to put this aside quite a bit.  Once Im settled, I will have a greater amount of time to think properly also.

My brother is being prescribed aderal and 2 whole zanex each day from a doctor that should be put in prison.. and also a half gal of vodka a day.    It is very hard to deal with him in any fashion.  But Im out of here and wont have these types of distractions.  I pray.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 21, 2010, 06:08:32 AM
Tito,
Quote,:
AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO USE.
----------------------------------------
Does this part mean a battery?
{meaning a battery is VERY important for this]

Chose one.
1. yes
2.No

Chet

Yes in one of my setup, i actually using one 3v button cell.

No in one of my setup, cause i'm using stubblefield or two different metals or galvanic battery.

No again in one of my setup cause i'm using antenna as source.

all in all battery is still much better to use cause it is stable and reliable. and small  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 21, 2010, 06:23:49 AM
modules is a set of procedures and function to do some task, that when i go back there it do some gain of at least 1/3 of the power used but because we return a lot of times until a reservoir is full then that's it.  ;D

There should be a validation if it is time to continue or not yet  ;)

Perfect Timing is always needed cause in basketball throwing and throwing are useless if they are not point counted.  ;D

or in assassination, the subject must be there before throwing a bomb.  ;D

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 21, 2010, 07:39:50 AM
Tito

1. multiple hose have to be special filled or air ?

2. high self-induction coil surely have iron core
do we use it:
b) as a wire

3. I'm using 9V battery to push roundabout, is that able to lock to correct cron timing or is better 2a
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 21, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
Mags
I can Feel the torment in your posts,It upsets me because I know how powerless you feel about your brother.

I went thru a simular time in my life ,when I was like your brother,there is no escape from the torment in a pill or a bottle,been there done that!

Tell you brother he really can make the rest of his life the best of his life!

I will mail you my # and would be happy to share my experience with him!
Keeping you in my prayers,
Chet
PS
@Mags and ALL
If your not watching this you should be
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.new

400%  ---2700% overunity
independently varified!!!
And Thane, boom boom, Cranky pants, Zilla
Is available !!
I must be dreamin??
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 21, 2010, 06:11:31 PM
Thanks Ram   I appreciate that. ;]

Teets!    So some of the tips you are using programming dialect to describe things.  That helps.

Timing.  Can it be automated, or triggered for accuracy according to the operation, or is just fine tuning necessary?  Do you use micro controllers?  PIC

Thanks Teetla.  These things are very helpfull. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 21, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
Ram

That is interesting on the transformer.   What if you have 2 toroid cores side by side and looped them together with a primary, then put the secondaries on the outer side of each core, could it do the same?  It might be very simple.

But maybe the cores would have to be shaved to mate with each other to look more like and 8 rather than 00, just from what I see that he has the primary on a much leaner core than the secondary.  Thinkin.

Thanks for the good show. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 21, 2010, 08:01:58 PM
All Data On
Thanes device,just posted here!
@ Mags
Good to see your Cracking the "Teetsla Cron frozen ice balls Code"

Teets You better be nice to Mags!

Or I'll B&*\$t  Y#\$&% R&*%) in the eye!

Chet

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 22, 2010, 05:07:27 AM
Tito

1. multiple hose have to be special filled or air ?

No: there is no special filled or air; just use them naturally but they
should be made in an efficient way.

2. high self-induction coil surely have iron core
do we use it:

it depends actually, we can use them for boosting volts and current, its up to us what we want to increase.

b) as a wire
c) as a dissipater at the same time
d) for strong kicking also
e) all of the above  ;D

3. I'm using 9V battery to push roundabout, is that able to lock to correct cron timing or is better 2a

sorry i don't much get your question or how you make your timing.

First and formost is how you use your source, it must be used in efficient manner and in half life only.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 22, 2010, 05:09:25 AM
All Data On
Thanes device,just posted here!
@ Mags
Good to see your Cracking the "Teetsla Cron frozen ice balls Code"

Teets You better be nice to Mags!

Or I'll B&*\$t  Y#\$&% R&*%) in the eye!

Chet

Don't worry i'll be gentle honey  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 22, 2010, 05:18:54 AM
Thanks Ram   I appreciate that. ;]

Teets!    So some of the tips you are using programming dialect to describe things.  That helps.

Timing.  Can it be automated, or triggered for accuracy according to the operation, or is just fine tuning necessary?  Do you use micro controllers?  PIC

Thanks Teetla.  These things are very helpfull. ;]

Mags

no i'm not using microcontroller.
i'm just using a very simple components as much as possible like what tesla is using in his days. but for the sake of size i'm using some.

nature timing.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 22, 2010, 07:41:05 AM
no i'm not using microcontroller.
i'm just using a very simple components as much as possible like what tesla is using in his days. but for the sake of size i'm using some.

nature timing.

Using some what?    Nature timing?

Would this be more correct...   i'm just using a very simple components as much as possible like what tesla is using in his days. but for the sake of size i'm using some Nature timing.   =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 22, 2010, 10:05:59 AM
no i'm not using microcontroller.
i'm just using a very simple components as much as possible like what tesla is using in his days. but for the sake of size i'm using some.

nature timing.

Tito

that what I was asking for
I use CD motor and external circuit to manage speed but there is also Adams motor with reed switch way when nature is timing. I wanted to know if I could expect any results when using external circuit OR only nature timing ?

now a nice part  ;D ;D

about hoses  ::) and pushing water inside
a) ordinary one plumber use soft iron pipes  ::)
b) some crazy use strange :P costly pipes (looks like black metal  ::))
c) normal poor guy would use air and handwork but then require high pressure (require?)
d) our good friend otto (R.I.P)said about copper hose

i'm trying to use low pressure now to understand in re do re turn re cursion module
Tito which one hose is the best in series  for low pressure ?  ;D

high selfinduction coil in Tesla patent has no sec ondary  (has it got ?) ? any gain without it ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 22, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
quest song for Dj-Tito  :D

do we use sec ?
just  like
av rap men cop
to make my cap
with more juice
for big top and pike
when each spike is  hike
be cool and nice
strong rap
is going to cap

;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 23, 2010, 03:59:40 AM
quest song for Dj-Tito  :D

do we use sec ?
just  like
av rap men cop
to make my cap
with more juice
for big top and pike
when each spike is  hike
be cool and nice
strong rap
is going to cap

;)

@forest

CHEEEEEEERS!  :)

just teach mags what you have bud.  ;)

That is what i'm saying, in time you got it, then thats the time you realize what i'm saying is right. isn't it?

i think what you need now is a refinement of your design and some correct  materials and places for components and that is i think where we have to be differ if whose the best design ok;  ;D

Just last tip: it is better for our device that it can able to receive or detect signals easily so that the source is stable ok  ;)

No more tips now, just try and think which is best or correct materials ok.

now you have the version one of tesla's amplifier.
the second one is more brilliant. => rolling stone ice just notice how nature works.

sir wattsup is very correct for we have 1 volt forever but that is a long method.
but here is what i say "THERE IS ALWAYS A BETTER WAY" ;D AND "THERE IS ALWAYS A VERY GOOD SOLUTION OF ATLEAST ONE " ;D

bye.  >:(

SO LONG FEL;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 23, 2010, 04:15:14 AM
Using some what?    Nature timing?

Would this be more correct...   i'm just using a very simple components as much as possible like what tesla is using in his days. but for the sake of size i'm using some Nature timing.   =]

Mags

yES! of course, cause we have to use in our device were it is behaving better ok;  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 23, 2010, 09:26:57 AM
@forest

CHEEEEEEERS!  :)

just teach mags what you have bud.  ;)

That is what i'm saying, in time you got it, then thats the time you realize what i'm saying is right. isn't it?

i think what you need now is a refinement of your design and some correct  materials and places for components and that is i think where we have to be differ if whose the best design ok;  ;D

Just last tip: it is better for our device that it can able to receive or detect signals easily so that the source is stable ok  ;)

No more tips now, just try and think which is best or correct materials ok.

now you have the version one of tesla's amplifier.
the second one is more brilliant. => rolling stone ice just notice how nature works.

sir wattsup is very correct for we have 1 volt forever but that is a long method.
but here is what i say "THERE IS ALWAYS A BETTER WAY" ;D AND "THERE IS ALWAYS A VERY GOOD SOLUTION OF ATLEAST ONE " ;D

bye.  >:(

SO LONG FEL;D

Tito
I think you are talking about "ring twice" version as a second one ,right ?
My device is not working as I wish right now ,no OU, the speed of motor is not stable and I have problems to make it like Adams motor nature timing  ;D  because my magnets are glued on top cd disc not on edge, have to build wood handle for pushing coil above disc.
also reed switch that one with inert gas inside is not good  >:( sparking probably to weak for my 400V capacitor discharge.
but... I have so many ideas ....  :D

have to find a nice big cap maybe 10000 uF 50V hmm ???
also would that be nice : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC8-o1jm5Zo ?

damn I'm so slow in building anything  >:(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 23, 2010, 10:43:53 PM
Ring Twice?   Is that refering to how many cycles that we let hapen before we kickit again?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 23, 2010, 11:38:07 PM
Here is a sim circuit that I just put up for Gyula on another thread.

It uses my precharge circuit from early on with the addition of a diode to let the inductors flywheel action pump a cap to higher voltage than the source, without the extra that is above the source voltage coming from the source, as I described it earlier.

Its a very simple circuit. If we hold the switch till the cap is full, all of the energy comes from the source, even if the cap is higher in voltage than the source, because of the inductors flywheel effect.

But lets say we release the switch when the cap is at 20v, the inductor is not done yet, flywheel action, and starts to pull the charge from the other side of the cap instead of the source, through the additional diode near the source.  The amount of energy to charge the cap to 20v in this manor is equal to charging the cap manually to 20v. But here we use the inductors inertia, to pump the cap to a higher voltage than the source AFTER cutting off the source,  anything higher than 20v in the cap is free. Guaranteedy.  =]

\$ 1 5.0E-6 0.551975421667673 57 5.0 43
s 640 192 704 192 0 1 true
c 432 464 640 464 0 1.4999999999999999E-5 9.999999999999332E-4
v 704 464 704 192 0 0 40.0 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
r 640 464 704 464 0 1.0
l 432 192 640 192 0 1.0 6.39679282863122E-23
d 432 192 432 464 1 0.805904783
d 640 464 640 192 1 0.805904783
o 2 8 0 35 20.0 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 1 8 0 35 0.009765625 9.765625E-5 1 -1

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 24, 2010, 01:05:46 AM
Almost same setup I have on the desk right now(the triger is mosfet and timing is variable by me), and i can say: that intertia of the inductor will charge teh capacitor better (higer value) when you keep it flow acros batery like clasical joulthief, it suck more charges from the batery, tension of the batery+ tension on the inductor.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 24, 2010, 01:16:19 AM
Mags,
Over here post # 24 from allcanadian
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.msg6042;topicseen#msg6042

Interesting excerpt

" Now if as many believe, the input must be equal to the output then why do I get two equal outputs from only one input?"
------------------------------------

Some other even more interesting comments

Sounds like what you are saying?
Their Trying to get a schem.

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 24, 2010, 01:27:40 AM
Almost same setup I have on the desk right now(the triger is mosfet and timing is variable by me), and i can say: that intertia of the inductor will charge teh capacitor better (higer value) when you keep it flow acros batery like clasical joulthief, it suck more charges from the batery, tension of the batery+ tension on the inductor.

very cool IWD

Can you show some pics?   All my stuff is in boxes.  It will probably be some of the first things I unpack. Soon.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 24, 2010, 01:38:33 AM
Well I do not have camera right now, so I can only post a scheme. so here it is. In that schema is already recorded another device which periodicaly dischrage the capactitor, for reason of automation.

-Now I am tested diferent coils, and it seems that the another diod do not have big influence, when I decrease the time of the pulse, the voltage on the capacitor is also smaler and smaler.Stil is best when you keep the pulse width, which cover all proces in the inductor.(like when you conect it manualy.)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 24, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
Hmmm IWD   I will have to look at this a bit to figure what is going on.

I will give you a schematic of something you can try, and I will include the items you present to design it.

Thanks for the drawing.  everything counts.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 24, 2010, 03:09:31 AM
Here is a cool vid

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 24, 2010, 03:39:44 AM
:) it is instructive, but explanation is easy, on the outuput of the bifiliar every time when you see a spark, is discharged a capacitance which is in bifilar coil very high in contras of inductance, point is: that output have lower discharge frequency than input because charging the capacitance take time, so we can say it is frequency transformer. But power is same or smaler on the output like on input.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on October 24, 2010, 12:48:38 PM
Hi Mags,

Thanks for the circuit list, it works in the Falstad simulator (I have only the online version but it is ok) and gives indeed higher than 20V in the capacitor after the switch is off at near the 20V charging level.

I would like to suggest to replace the 20V source with a 15uF capacitor, precharged to 20V also and then see how the LC circuit swings energy...
Perhaps the LTSpice circuit simulator used by IWD could be a better choice for simulating it?  I included your Falstad schematic here for IWD in case he could enter it with a 15uF precharged cap instead of the 20V voltage source.  This way can get closer to the real behaviour of the interesting circuit, obviously the final proof is to build it and test.
Nevertheless, if LTSpice simulations give promising results and optimization is also performed in it by adjusting switch on time etc then hands-on tests are done more readily.  Use realistic loss resistor for the 1H or other value coil in the simulator.

Thanks,  Gyula

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on October 24, 2010, 01:26:17 PM
Each

Step-Up-Converter
(Boost Power Stages)

only Choke  Diode Condensor and switch is needed.

(look Wikipediia or electronc forums.

NOT any Overunity.

The step up of volgage , bring the same (as losses) in amperages !!

The wattage (Energy will not amplified ! , tey will
allso lossing 5 to 15% typically)

Pese

www.alt-nrg.de/pppp

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 24, 2010, 06:47:03 PM
Hey Gyula

Ya know, adding that diode just came to me yesterday as we were posting each other. You are right about needing the resistance added for the inductor. Today I dont have much time, but will be back in the bench this week some time. It was just another idea that I have to add to all this.
I will be on the computer over the next few days till I get settled.

Hey Pese

The circuit was put up yesterday in another thread just to demonstrate that in reality, the collapsing field of a coil does not necessarily produce bemf. In order to produce bemf, the coils field would have to change polarity.  Like in an ac generator, as the field builds on the coil, a positive voltage increases to peak, then as the field declines, slow "collapse", the positive voltage declines to zero then when the field reverses, only then will we get a negative voltage. Make sense?   So how does the collapse if the field in a coil produce bemf?  ;]

Then I had the idea of if when we disconnect the source, how could we loop the circuit to let the coil continue to charge the cap further without the source.   Hence the looping diode.

Lets face it, even in a perfect world of inductors and caps, we still dont have overunity, in standard demonstrations, just unity, err infinite running.   So if in a perfect world, where the coils have no resistance, my circuit with the looping diode does show overunity. Thats a good start.

As I explained to Gyula yesterday,  lets say we were to charge the cap to 20v directly from the source, there would in theory be an equal transfer of energy, unity, same out as in.  But in my circuit, if the source is 20v and we cut off the source during the incline at 20v, and the inductor continues to pump the cap to a higher voltage   than the source, with the looping diode, that extra is free.

I have a lot going on here with the move, but I am always thinking and visualizing as I go, multitasking. =]
As to how to utilize that extra is the key now.  Even if it were only 21v gotten to the cap via the loop, that 1 extra volt is free.  Any thing free is a good thing, no?  Im sure there is room for improvement.  =]

Im not saying this is Titos way, it is a form of energy amplification, even if it is .5% thus far, of which I am lowering it to that value of increase to show an example.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 24, 2010, 08:02:21 PM
hm...Mags, in reality the caps wil do not charge more when you open the switch, I test it. (even with another charged capacitor as source) I mean not more, than when you keep it without the diode, and leve the curent stop by himself. The LT spice simulator I am using only to make schematics and to confirm measured data from osciloscope. When you know how to set it, it is very precise simulation. But Reality is always original. So I say it once again, if you have let say batery 12v and conect capacitor in series with induction and diode, the capacitor will charge about 19-21 volt but in case when you use another diode and open the switch early before current stop by himself, the voltage will be smaler than 19v.
Only usefuly point is What to do next whit capacitor easily charged higer than source.

-one more thing, When you use charged capacitor to 20v as source instead using batery. that Lets say if second capacitor will have same capacity, then in best case you will have first capacitor almost empty let say about 1,4v and the second will have 18,4. Of course  you can end wit half votage on both capacitors or any other combination which depednd mostly on size of inductance in clasic case, or on time of opening switch on case presented by you,(in that case you can also end for example: first on -7v and second on 13v) It does not matter, because energy will be always same.In case which first capacitor will be bigger than second you can end with letsay, first on 15v and second on 30v. for example is first 15uf second 100n, but still is same energy with little loos.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 24, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
Hey IWD

Very good IWD.  So you have tried the precharge circuit and confirmed it that the inductor(flywheel in motion), does continue to charge the cap beyond the source, due to the collapse of the field, and shows no signs of BEMF, Reverse emf nor counter emf, just forward emf and when dissipated to the cap through the diode comes to rest.
This is important to understand. It defines the ability for the inductor to act as a flywheel.  Add a cap and the flywheel is offset, the weight of the flywheel is offset, to represent a pendulum action, as this video uses the comparison also.

This vid demonstrates a way to kick the pendulum at the proper time to follow the oscillation naturally, "nature timing" as Teets tips.  =]   And Forest gets credit for this find.  =] Thanks forest and Teets.  Good Guys.  ;]

Now, I cant be sure yet, but I have a notion to believe that we may be able to keep the flywheel(inductor) going by Kicking it also. I dont know if Teets or anyone would agree, but its a notion or theory.
But this vid above sort of says a lot, according to what Teets Tips say to us.

Iwd, if you wish to go any further or try and expand upon the precharge circuit, please do. I will once I get settled here, err  there, Im not there yet. lol

I try to get back on here at OU as much as I can for the time being. I just leave the laptop on all day with the page ready to read or reply.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 25, 2010, 04:06:15 AM

Tito
I think you are talking about "ring twice" version as a second one ,right ?

No. i'm talking about one small kick then a controlled spontaneous action begins.

the first one is the ten watts cap into thousands and thousands convertion.

i thought we got it already.  :(

i actually discovered another one but just little similarity with the first one

"The multiple caps with the same volts but unlimited"

To open the door to unlimited source of energy we just need to have a hot  tripillar coil.  8)

don't worry i am now planning to show a vid of mine, and i am the actor ;D

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 25, 2010, 04:31:55 AM
HA
I knew it!!
Teetsla's A movie star!!
So Handsome------->>>>>>> ;D

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 25, 2010, 01:15:17 PM
To mags

Well I am sorry, I was misunderstood what you want to confirm. If You want to understood the coil as flywheel so be it, but that already show Romerouk on many pages before.(diode acros pulsing coil) you can cleary see it by osciloscope conected on that coil when you decrease space betwen pulses (betwen kicking) the flywheel will rotate more, so also negative spikes will be more powerfull, bigger voltage. When you place diode as romero, or as is in relay, the curent in coil will also flow more, because inertia  of current have way where can flow(flywheel can rotate)
Point is that in both case take more current from battery.
And Polarity of the coil is always changing, in feeding you can measure on coil tension from source, and when source stop, then you can measure tension from inertia in coil+colapsing magnetic field, both have same direction, so seems that is changed but it is relative from where you measured it beacause direction of current remains same. (direction of flywheel remains)
Only when you have secondary, then on it is changed polarity and also current direction.

"There is always many ways how to look on same thing" for example if you will listen a japanese man talking about physics you can listen about year and you will do not udersnatd. But if he show to you a pictures and schemes then you will quickly understand (pictures can be more than thousand words)
And when someone is trying to explain his discovery in his way of understanding. And even more...if he cover it by fog of his own puzzles like Tito do. Then nobody will really understand. But there is a video promise, so mabybe we se the part of Clothes from story of  "Emperor's New Clothes" which reminds my this situation here.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on October 25, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Hey IWD

Many do not know this about inductors. Read this recent thead, the first post, as Chris claims that the collapsing field is what creates the reverse emf, or flyback. But its not so, as you have pointed out that you already know this.    http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9875.0
There are possibly many thousands of people watching this thread, some who want to learn because they are beginners.  Everyone needs to know the way things work. Some here at OU may not have known this and until they do, they may never understand every way to use an inductor.  Heck, up untill recently, I thought that the field collapse is what caused bemf, just like chris explained it.  Even if the books back then probably described it the way I now know it now, but we were told things as we were learning it that had us thinking otherwise. Why would that be? Everyone I knew back then came away with the same understanding as chris, and I, thinking that the collapse caused bemf .   Did you know before you read Romerouk?  =]

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on October 25, 2010, 07:24:02 PM
sure
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: penno64 on October 25, 2010, 10:07:22 PM
Hi,

Regards, Penno
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on October 26, 2010, 03:02:20 AM
Hi,

Regards, Penno
Here is his very first post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg237728#msg237728
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on October 28, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
Mags
@All
Look!!
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=397.msg6133;topicseen#msg6133

Chet
PS
Teetsla ,
My popcorn is getting cold,whens the movie start?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 30, 2010, 12:10:47 PM
Mags
@All
Look!!
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=397.msg6133;topicseen#msg6133

Chet
PS
Teetsla ,
My popcorn is getting cold,whens the movie start?

don't worry chet i'm workin on it.

in a way suitable for everyone ok.

i will show my bedini version and the simplified version.

sooooo very busy.................

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Samuel_Lee on October 30, 2010, 07:35:30 PM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on October 31, 2010, 07:21:08 PM
and extract all frames. Then tell me what is going on ??!  :o
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 01, 2010, 02:02:31 AM
It seems that forest gave it everything, i think no need for me to show my movie, cause that is the one of the main secret of my ingredient.

Remember the tip i gave you using this technique making only one arm is moving. mags had a success on it ok.

Always think for efficiency ok.

Discharge a cap on a very thick wire coiled in a bifillar form is very efficient making a very powerful magnetic field ok.

Imagination is the limit. no one can limit us from using a lot of caps, coils, batteries ok.

Series and parallel technique in input and output can do it more powerful.

This is for the world ladies and gentlemen. i love you all brother.

Here is what i notice here in this site, once they discover something good then they will stop digging to that so others will stop dig on that also they will divert us to other topic. SHAME ON YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Base all to Tesla, still its the superior and original and working.
Study and experiment well Take care and goodluck !!!  and congratulation ;D

If i will tell everything then no more excitement, let it be discover by yourself ok.
I will just keep, at least i'm telling you the rolling stone ice ok. ;D

Bye. i have to escape and leave you now. ;D

I'll just return and answer when i want ok ;D

If anyone want to see and contact me, sorry i'm not available. ;D

ALL FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND!!!
Noicaro L. Otit a.k.a. Teetsla ;D  From Philippines;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on November 01, 2010, 02:27:40 AM
Teetsla
Remember ! If we can run the refrigerator on a watch battery!
Chaloopa says you get free car washes "forever"!!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 01, 2010, 02:57:28 AM
Thanks for the help teets.  =]    Just one more thing. ;]    which success did I have?  lol
I suppose I will have to find it.  Ill be back on the bench this week, well, I will have a bench. =]

Im just working from my noodle for now. and sim play.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 01, 2010, 03:00:07 AM
To power up a ref from a button cell is so simple ok. Tesla and teetsla will not spend a lot of money building the magnifying transmitter in colorado if there is no solution to that ok  ;)

The controlled spontaneous action is the solution.  ;D

Love you chet  bye  ;)  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 01, 2010, 03:04:38 AM
Thanks for the help teets.  =]    Just one more thing. ;]    which success did I have?  lol
I suppose I will have to find it.  Ill be back on the bench this week, well, I will have a bench. =]

Im just working from my noodle for now. and sim play.

Mags

The video you showed one time that discharges a cap from battery into a fan ok.

if you can't remember it then its ok. ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 01, 2010, 03:09:37 AM

This one?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 01, 2010, 03:14:50 AM
oh ya thanks mags, but it needs some minor modification but that is the main idea.  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 01, 2010, 03:22:24 AM
ok   I just watched it a couple times and see some things to add or change already.  Almost forgot about that one.

Ill give her another go soon here.   Thanks teets.

Man I was sleepy in that vid.  lol

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on November 01, 2010, 04:42:37 AM
Just a small note that I made an avi of JLNaudins animation as requested by @foster. It was a 12 frame gif animation. Just exported to AVI. It gives you total frames over 10 seconds. It will give you a timeline basis.

I opened an energy-amplification directory on my ftp site and put it there.

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/energy-amplification/foster/JLNaudin/

Enjoy.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 01, 2010, 12:31:59 PM
thanks wattsup

Exactly what is this frame about ?
I have a theory that maybe it is using BEMF as a forward current after store it inside capacitor so we have two for one arm (switch) moving - FEMF and then converted BEMF. Again that would be very easy to check - just get any DC-DC booster the simplest the better (which is exactly Tesla igniter patent just with diode and cap to store BEMF) - then add a transformer on a return line and check if the sum from transformer and a booster is more then just a booster energy (DC-DC booster is 95% efficient alone)
Or help me arrange coil,transformer,diode(s)  and cap to use FEMF and BEMF together on the same transformer.
P.S.
here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boost_conventions.svg L can be transformer with secondary and diode bridge ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 01, 2010, 12:48:29 PM

This one?

Mags
Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on November 01, 2010, 01:15:13 PM
In this way - only possibel
stepping up voltage
BY lost of AMPERAGES !!

so not Power (Energy in Watts)
can be amplified.

SO: NOT WAY !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boost_circuit.png
is only: Inverter

Gustav Pese

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on November 01, 2010, 03:06:12 PM
There is one big difference with this circuit from many you will see.

In most circuits, there is only one side of a capacitor that is switched to charge it and one side of a coil to discharge it. This circuit uses both sides. So what is the difference. This means the cap or load is not pre-biased to one polarity before the other one hits it. Both hit at the same time and from my own experience this shoots up the voltage higher then the applied voltage to the capacitor which is standard stuff in itself. Also this halves any spark development since it is shared by both contacts.

If the load is inductive enough, it will then discharge back into the cap when it is disconnected and the cap will discharge into the source when it is connected to source. So you have three actions, one when the contact is on the source, one when the contact is off both and one when the contact is on load.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 01, 2010, 06:00:38 PM
hey Forest

Here is the circuit as close as I can make it in the sim.  I replaced the fan with a light bulb as sim has no motors.
The resistor is there for circuit sake as you cannot charge a cap directly from source in sim.
This is the igniter circuit variation without the large inductor, as seen in the vid, I did not have it in the circuit.

It is just charge cap and discharge cap.  My supposed large inductor was not good for this circuit, as the results were less than seen in the vid.   I am going to work on this as soon as possible.  ;)

\$ 1 5.0E-6 9.384708165144016 50 5.0 43
v 704 464 704 192 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
160 624 256 624 192 0 0.0010 1.0E10
w 704 192 640 192 0
T 544 288 432 208 0 4.0 10.0 5.4093160728463374E-8 0.004721571497796666 0.999
w 608 192 544 192 0
w 544 192 544 288 0
w 544 464 544 368 0
c 624 256 624 416 0 0.0056 11.999999999980913
w 544 464 624 464 0
w 624 416 624 464 0
r 624 464 704 464 0 0.01
181 432 368 432 288 0 1888.451381189791 1.0 113.0 0.4 0.4
w 608 224 576 224 0
R 576 224 576 320 0 1 68.0 5.0 0.0 0.0 0.5

At lunch   BBL

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 01, 2010, 06:02:51 PM
Hey Watts

Thanks for the help. ;]    I do have software to do this stuff but it is all on my pc packed away.

Again, thanks.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 01, 2010, 07:14:52 PM
Tito, I must admit, that for a while I believed you display some video, or just "something" what I do not see before, and I can begin dig in it. But after 30 pages there is still nothing, and nothing will be.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 01, 2010, 08:43:02 PM
Tesla patent 462418

"First if a condenser or conductor possessing capacity be charged from a suitable generator and discharged through a circuit , the discharge under certain conditions will be of an intermittent or oscillatory character"

can someone enlighten me about "CERTAIN CONDITIONS" ?

That would allow me to convert one inductive kick into many capacitive kicks ,right ?

And I'm not cheating ...I really do not know what Tesla named as "certain conditions" but I feel it is crucial to have working device. Well, maybe he said about disruptive discharge ? Interesting indeed.
Later he said that there is of tremendous advantage to break at the peak of wave and again that may be related.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 02, 2010, 03:04:47 AM
Tito, I must admit, that for a while I believed you display some video, or just "something" what I do not see before, and I can begin dig in it. But after 30 pages there is still nothing, and nothing will be.

@IWD

Oh YA!  :D

Sorry sir but sometimes you have to think also that there is always a reason why things can't happen anymore, but the important there is I have given everyone something  he can use to dig ok. NOW! if still can't get it then sorry its not my problem anymore. I'm not saying in my word that you have to believe me but believe to Tesla since i'm not credible to everyone here, first of all i'm not getting anything here. so just consider me as an encourager ok.

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 02, 2010, 03:23:59 AM
Tesla patent 462418

"First if a condenser or conductor possessing capacity be charged from a suitable generator and discharged through a circuit , the discharge under certain conditions will be of an intermittent or oscillatory character"

can someone enlighten me about "CERTAIN CONDITIONS" ?

That would allow me to convert one inductive kick into many capacitive kicks ,right ?

And I'm not cheating ...I really do not know what Tesla named as "certain conditions" but I feel it is crucial to have working device. Well, maybe he said about disruptive discharge ? Interesting indeed.
Later he said that there is of tremendous advantage to break at the peak of wave and again that may be related.

Hi! brother forest how is the jungle?  ;D joke

Let me give you something what i understand about CERTAIN CONDITIONS.

In computer languages like in C programming there are certain conditions before a procedure or a function will execute or a certain task will execute, So we have to validate some what material to use, if made of material is efficient, if components are balance and if they are in right place then if these conditions were met correct then its always 'right time' to do that task.

There is a tremendous advantage to break at the peak of wave, YES! because if you break at the peak, the secondary will be ENERGIZE at that peak  so there is a tremendous gain in there. and that is also part of some CERTAIN CONDITIONS.

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 03, 2010, 12:39:28 AM
Well  Im breakin out the box of goodies for the evening.  I am eager to try some things, moving or not. =]

Here is a vid I did a while back using reeds and coils to make an oscillator to boost voltage Caveman style to run Agent Gates coil.

But I am going to use it to charge a cap, and the cap voltage is stepped up every oscillation till max cap charge is reached.  If you watch the vid, the small yellow cap on the breadboard is being charged from the oscillator through the 2 blue caps then to the bridge rect.   The small disassembled relay coil on the bread board, has resistors in series so that the coil does not fire the reed till the yel caps voltage reaches about 30 to 35 v. Then that reed dumps the cap to the transformer primary. This setups source was 5v.

Now what I will attempt is to use 12v on the oscillator to get over 100v into a cap, and a dpdt relay, with contacts in parallel to decrease the resistance for the cap dump (should last twice as long as a single contact), and use the same method to activate the relay as in the vid.

Just gota give it a shot.  Wish me luck.   The transformer I will use is a 110v to 12v center tapped out.  I am going to try both directions to see what we can see.

Another thing, this transformer is from a UPS for pc power.  It has multiple conductors on each leg of the 12v side.
After tests as is, I think I can separate the leads to make that side of the transformer bifi.  Is it worth the try?  =]

Should have at least some pics later. Just getting things I need setup. Only to tear it down tomorrow, maybe. ;]
I cant get away from this stuff.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 03, 2010, 01:30:07 AM
Well, well, well, that's exciting, goodluck, good day, goodnight, and goodbye  ;D

Congratulation  everyone !!!!!

it's me Tito L. Oracion From
Philippines Now signing off Bye  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 03, 2010, 02:21:51 AM
TEETS!!!    Why byby teets?    why not HiHi.   :P

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 03, 2010, 02:31:50 AM
Sorry i have to drink my milk first my mama is signing off  ;D

:P :P

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 03, 2010, 02:51:51 AM
:P

Yer Mama made a good boy.

Thanks teets

Magluvin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 03, 2010, 07:07:40 AM

This is the first half. Just the cap charge circuit.  I am putting diodes in for the reed, I wanted things to be visual.

Tomorrow will use a smaller cap and get the relay and transformer going.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DimaWari on November 03, 2010, 10:55:49 AM
Hey teets,,

Do you have any idea on how kapanadze generator works? Or maybe you replicated it already?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on November 03, 2010, 11:39:19 AM
Kapanaze,
good idea
but
have never worked
with overunity !
only losses !

Pese

------------------

Give attentention to this here:

Many yaers ago , IN A TREAD (overunity.com)

copied NOW:

ps:  just another theory in the right direction.
pese:
GIVE attention to test voltages from NON Sinus (or DC) Sources.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 03, 2010, 01:10:05 PM
pese

Earth is revolving around Sun with high speed and there is a lot of dead electrons around we cannot see
collapsing magnetic field North pole is the answer how to disturb them and when they return to ambient background there is a useful energy

now the problem is only to find the working circuit which everybody could replicate
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2010, 03:22:32 PM
Now the things are getting better around here, because we have good teachers sharing their knowledge.

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on November 03, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
Thank you Jesus
Yes I agree
Good things happen when we

"have good teachers sharing their knowledge."

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nueview on November 03, 2010, 05:39:48 PM
it will get harder to pull more voltage as you approach the diode reverse bias voltage as it will blead back the current. adding additional diodes will increase the reverse bias potential.
Martin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: slapper on November 05, 2010, 05:44:46 AM
bump
Discharge a cap on a very thick wire coiled in a bifillar form is very efficient making a very powerful magnetic field ok.

Imagination is the limit. no one can limit us from using a lot of caps, coils, batteries ok.

Series and parallel technique in input and output can do it more powerful.
;D

nap
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 06, 2010, 02:47:05 AM
hey All

Havnt been able to do much till now. My roomate had a scooter accident and is pretty banged up. And I needed to fix my ebike charger.

Been thinking though. I think there is a better way to produce the cap charge. But I will get to that after the experiment with what I have started.  Im going to get back on it tonight.

I was repairing my electric bike charger last night, going over the circuitry, im thinking that the cap charger can be done with transistor switching to a good degree, and use the relay for cap dump. At least till I figure a better way.

I am going to fiddle with the charge circuit a bit more till I am satisfied then apply the relay and transformer.
I did fiddle a bit more the other night, and I might have a couple component changes, as in inductor, cap and diodes. My big coils are heavy on the reeds, in Vibreedo mode, so Im going more turns and thinner awg wire. Cap may stay the same but more likely bigger than 68u.  Diodes, I picked up a bunch of 1kv from radshack. The bridge was 400v I believe.

I feel free a bit. My time has been taken from me a lot lately.  Its my birthday and the weekend. And I am going to celebrate by continuing here.  =]

Thanks for the tip Nue, good ta see ya back around.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 09, 2010, 01:06:54 AM
Well.  Im not being impressed with what I have. Actually this transformer is not performing anything like I thought it would.  Ive been trying different things, but maybe Ive been doing it wrong.

Was thinking at work today, and came up with 2 things that lead me to a possible finish line.

First thing, I built a relay pulser circuit for my boss, as his brother in law wants flames to come out of his exaust with a sparking mechanism.  The relay was set up so that the normally closed contacts sent power to the relay coil to switch the contacts, and oscillates at about 60hz with a 10 uf cap across the coil to elongate the relay activation time, so when the relay is fully activated, it sends gnd to the spark coil as would an ignition system.  My sparks were very weak.
So I tried a condenser across the contacts and bam! big 2 in sparks.  But thats not the interesting part, when I applied the spark to a spark plug, without the condenser, a very fine line spark was visible, but with the condenser, there were many sparks next to each other, as if the condenser, cap, was oscillating with the coils primary and producing multiple sparks.   So the cap across the points, or contacts are not just for rf interference purposes, or just for preserving the contacts, though it does both, but mostly its to produce oscillation in the primary.  So in the Igniter pat, I see the cap and primary oscillating after(during) discharge, not just simple discharge.
In my spark coil project, the primaries in those coils are about 1 ohm.  Seems like a bit more ohms than we are possibly seeing in Kapanadze wiring, or even Don Smith or even Tesla.  I was amazed to visually see it. 1 thin quick spark vs multiple sparks that was over a greater course of time vs thin spark.

Second thing.  Bifi coils.  I have done some experiments with a few with results that had shown no difference. So I set that idea down for a bit. Something came to me on something I had read a while back.  Tito has claimed trifi and bifi, with his last statement that the bifi gives greater magnetic field than a normal coil, of which is also what I had read.  As for what came to me was that tesla said that the higher the voltage discharged into the bifi, the better the effect was in the advantages of using bifi.  So this is where and why we will need high voltage discharge from the cap, because the bifi is a non linear amplifier of sorts. The higher the input the greater the multiple applied to the bifi effect.   A normal transformer is probably just that, normal as we know it.

So with both things in mind, I would say that we would want the cap to remain across the coil for some time to oscillate, no?  Charge cap, discharge cap, hold and oscillate, then kick again.

Im working on that tonight. The transformer I have , I will try separating the secondary pairs to try and convert it to bifi, of which I think it will work. If not, I will post results and a vid to show wuts uP and move on to a home made transformer with a bifi primary.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Sprocket on November 09, 2010, 02:24:52 AM
.....Second thing.  Bifi coils.  I have done some experiments with a few with results that had shown no difference. So I set that idea down for a bit. Something came to me on something I had read a while back.  Tito has claimed trifi and bifi, with his last statement that the bifi gives greater magnetic field than a normal coil, of which is also what I had read.  As for what came to me was that tesla said that the higher the voltage discharged into the bifi, the better the effect was in the advantages of using bifi.  So this is where and why we will need high voltage discharge from the cap, because the bifi is a non linear amplifier of sorts. The higher the input the greater the multiple applied to the bifi effect.   A normal transformer is probably just that, normal as we know it......

Hi.  Is this what you are referring to;

http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm (http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm)

If so, it doesn't work - tried it!

Jean Louis Naudin even referenced this link in one of his articles, (which was the reason I tried the 2-nail experiment to begin with) and as I subscribe to his Yahoo group, I tried posting about this but seems to have been 'moderated' out of existence...  Strange group, you get no posts for months, then a flood of them will come, then nothing again...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 09, 2010, 02:46:26 AM
Here is a vid my friend made a while back.  It is a quad fi coil. He shows the effects described.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 10, 2010, 12:14:02 AM
Ive been studying a bit.
I have this pat. from Tesla    http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00512340.htm
Its a short read.  Right now Im looking for the debate, i think, of Tesla on the subject.  This is where he claims the higher the voltage, the effect becomes greater.

The pat explains the bifi coil.  He claims that it increases the self capacitance greatly and reduces self inductance.
Now I can see the capacitance thing working out, as each turn has a 50% difference in source potential to adjacent windings.
But decreasing self inductance, this must mean reducing the Henries of the coil as a whole. How would we calculate that? I suppose we would have to measure it to see where she rings.
And I would assume that lower self inductance means more instantaneous discharge current from the cap.

So this coil should ring shorted, once kicked, like an lc, but with greater capacitance than just a normally wound coil by itself.  Now I can see why we would need to disconnect the discharge cap at peak, to get the best results.

Im working on getting a larger discharge cap up to 50v or so to pulse the transformer. In my vid running the ac induction fan, I was just charging 5600uf cap to 12v.  I figure at 50v, the fan should really take off.
I need to do this to post the part 2 vid as some are waiting, and then make hard changes..

So I think the bifi is a key ingredient here.

After these projects I want to rewind a dc motor bifi.  Get 2, convert 1 and test.   Something my Great grandfather did has me thinking.  If the motor gets a stronger mag field on the coils than a regular winding, then it should produce more torque at no extra expense.  If the motor normally is 90% eff. maybe we can get something here.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 10, 2010, 12:31:53 AM
Bifilar wound coil simply can contain more energy than normal coil, Thus that also bigger magnetic field. But it simply take the energy from source, as you are charging the capacitance betwen wires. That is the point of that patent, you simply can deliver more energy to that coil, which is not possible in normal coil.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Sprocket on November 10, 2010, 01:38:29 AM
Here is a vid my friend made a while back.  It is a quad fi coil. He shows the effects described.

Mags

Seems I'm easily confused, are these bi-filar or ordinary coils? -  the guy doesn't mention bifilar at all!  And his description at the end is less than clear - why didn't he just state the battery voltage & current for both setups.  Also, with regard to the link I posted, that guy states that a bifilar-wound coil (double the wire length, so twice the resistance) will result in a doubling of the magnetic field (the way he winds it, it doesn't!), whereas your guy states that quadrupling (or times-eight if they're bifilar) the length results in only a doubling of the magnetic field...

At least it's good to see a working example of an increase in magnet field when the coil resistance also has increased.  Of course I have yet to figure out how to wind a coil that displays this myself...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 10, 2010, 02:28:09 AM
I am working on it sprocket.  Maybe the mag field is just during charging then comes to rest at standard level. Duno yet. That vid is kinda old and he is still working on it.
But If I get a working example going, I will bring it to the table.  Like I said, I played with a couple examples and didnt care for the results. So I am entering this again with as little as I can tell ya.

It says in the pat. and looks like, the conductors have a fair amount of insulation on them. Teets has mentioned using speaker wire, of which can make winding a bifi a bit easier, and just stupid simple if its just 1 layer. I dont really imagine a 500 turn bifi primary here, but who knows. ;]

As for discharging into a primary that is part of a transformer that is a step uP transformer, there must be some efficiency in doing so, as many claims seem to follow this routine. Then we use step down to get user voltages.  That is the ONLY thing I can come up with as for a reason to charge a cap to a high voltage, then dump it into a primary of a step uP transformer.

Maybe it has to do with how the secondary affects the wind down oscillations of the primary. Example, if it were a step down, the primary will oscillate for a shorter time according to how much the step down is.

This is me just thinking here. Im trying to put all these clues together to make sense of why they say or do this in the circuit.  But there must be reasons..

I watched a Don Smith vid explaining his table top setup.  Some of the things he says, at times has ya thinking, hmmm, he dont really know how it works.  But maybe thats his way of explaining without divulging too much on tape.  But he was certain that it was important to step up the voltage at the transformer first, then reduce for use.

Any thoughts?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 10, 2010, 08:58:27 AM
Don Smith knew how it works.Simply disconnecting cap-coil at peak in proper way makes long running oscillations and repeating the same at the correct moment makes it continous. It took Tesla a few years to make it continous so we should be kind to ourselves.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 10, 2010, 09:00:21 AM
Questions: how we can shift phase of electric wave ? I have to move it forward by 90 degrees for example . I would explain it later what I'm trying to do
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on November 10, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
Guys,
would you like to examine this short thread once again, it's only 17 replies; it could be quite beneficial:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7513.0
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 10, 2010, 10:21:59 AM

In this thread, the questions should be:

a) How to convert small kicks into big kicks, this is known already ok? now!

b) The second is How to convert one kick into multiple kicks  ???

Now! that is simple ok, if you can't get that!, I don't know to you!!!!@!@#@#\$#@

sample of one kick into multiple kicks :=> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hm3O3jRKW4&feature=related
i am sure that no one is prohibiting us to add many more disk ok?.

oh gussssssh this is ovious!  :o

sprocket! i'm independent here, i don't have groups, i don't know everyone.
if you can't make it run by you then don't be very suspicious ok, your very wrong my friend we are all basing everything here from tesla, so its not my word ok. don't believe me but tesla!

Goodbye! astalavista baby  ;)

ps. my footstep are being watch ;D

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 10, 2010, 08:57:26 PM
damn

Tito , you mean many in series yet still parallel ?
Trifillar used in non common way ?  :o  :o  :o
'Atta way baby!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: grizli on November 10, 2010, 09:40:05 PM
http://www.hcrs.at/KAPTRAFO.HTM

Tito read, and comment this :D

and this

http://tesla3.com/free_websites/zpe_baumann_testatika.html

http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/schemat1.jpg

So how is actually Testatica related to TC ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: stprue on November 10, 2010, 11:43:18 PM

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 11, 2010, 08:04:01 AM
damn

Tito , you mean many in series yet still parallel ?
Trifillar used in non common way ?  :o  :o  :o
'Atta way baby!

@forest
Hmmmmmm........
your really gettin good ha.  ;D

Try to imagine if every kick has let say for example at least one gain then, how much more if more and more. got it?  ;D
as i always say your imagination is the limit ok.

see, stprue saw at least one gain thats correct. and that is really exist right?

Always don't forget that there is always a better way of at least one absolute and efficient way ok?

ps: Ok!, we don't actually need a spark gap. or else we will develop a memory gap ;D lol
remember :> silent explosion!

Tito mateti reporting ;D

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on November 11, 2010, 02:10:52 PM
Teetsla
Quote:
Tito mateti reporting  ;D
---------------------------
Good to see you happy!!
I hope we can get this?
make some heat! It's getting cold here!
The water's freezing and Chaloopa can't wash cars anymore

:-[

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 12, 2010, 12:03:47 AM
Questions: how we can shift phase of electric wave ? I have to move it forward by 90 degrees for example . I would explain it later what I'm trying to do

Forest.   You can use a transformer 1 to 1  and use the secondary in phase or out depending on which way you hook it up. Or you can design a filter network that would pass the freq you want, depending on the level of Db per octave cutoff, as in 1 cap in series with a speaker is a high pass at 6Db per octave, and 1 coil in series with the speaker would be lopass at 6db per octave. Now a cap in series then a coil across the speaker will be 12Db cutoff, the add another cap in series after the coil, 18db,  another coil across the speaker, 24db.

Db per octave is just an eaxample, but each one, 6, 12 ,18, 24 will apply a different phase to the speaker in reference to the source.  I will have to look it up, I cant remember which is 180 deg out of phase. But thats another way to reverse phase, passively.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 12, 2010, 12:18:38 AM
Seems I'm easily confused, are these bi-filar or ordinary coils? -  the guy doesn't mention bifilar at all!  And his description at the end is less than clear - why didn't he just state the battery voltage & current for both setups.  Also, with regard to the link I posted, that guy states that a bifilar-wound coil (double the wire length, so twice the resistance) will result in a doubling of the magnetic field (the way he winds it, it doesn't!), whereas your guy states that quadrupling (or times-eight if they're bifilar) the length results in only a doubling of the magnetic field...

At least it's good to see a working example of an increase in magnet field when the coil resistance also has increased.  Of course I have yet to figure out how to wind a coil that displays this myself...

That vid was done for me personally to show his progress.   He had proven to me that each time he added a coil in series, windings that were all on 1 bobbin wound simultaneously,  the resistance went up and the field was stronger. Quadfi. I was debating it with him for a bit as to how he was hooking it up, but he knows what he is doing..

All we can do is try.  In that article you posted with the nail electro magnets, I have not tried that yet either, but Im going to.   The explanation as I understood it, both nails have 100 turns total, but 1 is 2 x 50 bifi, so the load on the source should be the same, but increased mag field.  As for the self capacitance, could it be that the initial currents are increased as compared to normal winding, due to an empty self capacitance and a decreased inductance?  But when using dc as the source, I imagine the mag field being the same once the coil is fully charged and currents are the same for each nail.  It needs investigating.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on November 12, 2010, 03:37:08 AM
@ All

I have a circuit that will run an NE2 (neon lamp) for a sustained amount of time off an AA battery, the NE2 usually runs from 50 - 90 VAC so what can I do to "amplify" the AC off the NE2 to ~ 1.5 VDC back to source?

I must admit that at this point I haven't tried a feedback mechanism in order to not damage the input circuit.

I thought of feeding the 2 leads off the NE2 to a transformer and/or capacitor and then back to input but how to do it eludes me.

Any ideas from anyone to come up with a feedback circuit would be welcome.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the circuit will sustain the NE2 for a few minutes after an initial charge.

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Sprocket on November 12, 2010, 04:06:42 AM
That vid was done for me personally to show his progress.   He had proven to me that each time he added a coil in series, windings that were all on 1 bobbin wound simultaneously,  the resistance went up and the field was stronger. Quadfi. I was debating it with him for a bit as to how he was hooking it up, but he knows what he is doing..

All we can do is try.  In that article you posted with the nail electro magnets, I have not tried that yet either, but Im going to.   The explanation as I understood it, both nails have 100 turns total, but 1 is 2 x 50 bifi, so the load on the source should be the same, but increased mag field.  As for the self capacitance, could it be that the initial currents are increased as compared to normal winding, due to an empty self capacitance and a decreased inductance?  But when using dc as the source, I imagine the mag field being the same once the coil is fully charged and currents are the same for each nail.  It needs investigating.

Mags

The debate about this 'technique' seems like it has been going on for years.  What is frustrating is the number of people that turn up, allude that it does indeed work - then leave it at that!   Annoying in the extreme...

I guarantee that if you do build the 'nails' experiment as instructed and use DC, it will not work!  So the first question I ask, why is a web-site which purports to be honouring Tesla's achievements knowingly peddling false information?

One of the things that is often mentioned by those that say this is viable is that it works with AC only, with no other info forthcoming...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 12, 2010, 05:46:13 AM
I agree Sproc   As I am only just now taking big interest in it, even though I have known of its existence for a few months without really digging deep with it.

I would venture to say that the nail itself has some affect on the capacitance of the bifi windings, whether more or less.. Like Captret, there just may be a readable charge between the nail and either coil lead. Dunno yet.

Teets said Cross.  Agent Gates coil?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 12, 2010, 05:49:22 AM
Goat

Would have to see the circuit to consider how.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on November 12, 2010, 06:19:14 AM
Goat

Would have to see the circuit to consider how.  =]

Mags

@ Mags....thanks for looking in....

Excuse me for not specifying the circuit, it's a cheap 5\$ Fujii camera gutted out with the battery running the circuit until the NE2 is pulsating, then I remove the battery and then the circuit sustains the NE2 in a pulsating mode until it runs out.

The circuit is readily available to anyone who purchases a disposable camera so I thought it'd be a good place to start.

Even after taking out the battery the NE2 keeps oscillating so I thought it'd be a good candidate for an amplification circuit if we tap into part of the circuit and feedback to source.  There's 300 VDC at the cap and there's another ? VAC if you place a probe from the Xenon bulb to ground of the battery.

I was hoping that with these high voltages available from the circuit after the input is disconnected that we could use this to have a regenerative feedback to source to keep it going.

Unfortunately I don't have a camera or video to show you what I'm talking about but if you get a Fujii disposable camera and gut it out and hook up the battery and short out the "On" button you will see the NE2 pulsating then if you take off the battery you will see the NE2 keep flashing so I thought that if we can feedback and/or amplify the output we could be onto something.

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DimaWari on November 12, 2010, 07:26:41 AM
This circuit?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 12, 2010, 07:47:47 AM
Here is a vid my friend made a while back.  It is a quad fi coil. He shows the effects described.

Mags

Well, I see I must write something. In the video is nothing extraordinary. Power(total energy in particular space) of the coil field can be build from lets say 90% of curent
(magnetic field) and 10% of voltage (electric field) or from lets say 30% of curent and 70% of voltage.Or any other combination.
If you apply lets say 100v over 100turn coil you will have 1v on 1turn and 100turn which enclose almost same particular space with same current each.
If you apply 100v over 1000turns coil you will have 0,1v over each turn and 1000 turns with same curent in particular space.
Specialy with DC current, after coil saturation there will be almost zero voltage on each turn. But for price of increasing resistance by lets say 1-2ohms, will increase ways in particular space where current flow by lets say 50turn which is still very good business.
And if you care about affecting permanent magnet which have big magnetic field, but almost no electric field. Then most efective(in care of energy consumption) way is to create a magnetic field without electric field(almost). Because you do not need it in that case. Got it?
Of course if you want to create electromagnet and you have AC then if you create a bifilar winding in terms of same number of turns as normal coil have, then you can put more energy in that coil and thus that, the electromagnet will be stronger, but takes the energy from source.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DimaWari on November 12, 2010, 09:58:59 AM

Hope you find it interesting...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on November 12, 2010, 04:59:48 PM
This circuit?

@ DimaWari

Yes thanks that's the circuit.

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DimaWari on November 13, 2010, 04:02:03 AM
@ Goat

Have you watch the video that i posted? Well here is my idea.. what if we move dielectric material and do something about it before it return to conducting material?.. Can we gain extra energy? Just like this one?...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Goat on November 14, 2010, 03:58:56 AM
@ Goat

Have you watch the video that i posted? Well here is my idea.. what if we move dielectric material and do something about it before it return to conducting material?.. Can we gain extra energy? Just like this one?...

@ DimaWari

Yes I have watched the video you posted and studied the diagram from NT in your last post, thanks for the feedback but I fail to see the connection to my question, I was thinking more along the lines of tapping into the relaxation oscillator part of the Fuji circuit to create more oscillations in a new circuit.

Unfortunately I can't think of a way to do this without disrupting the relaxation oscillator part of the circuit.

Can we tap into or replace the NE2 and feed the small kicks into another circuit that creates bigger kicks?

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 14, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
can somebody tell me if that simulation is realistic ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 14, 2010, 01:02:24 PM

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replace LED by a neon (I didn't found it in falstad simulation tool)
in reality it works fine ! ground is my worktable with large iron vice
I can charge 100nF 630V capacitor to 90V in split of seconds so neon across it is lit continuously.Current is taken from iron ground ???
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 14, 2010, 01:07:29 PM
another circuit variant in that one I was able to charge cap only to 20V :-(

I believe that Avramenko plug is scattering radio waves into DC pulses but look how two diodes are used. I think they produce opposite pure voltage potentials but they are shifted in phase (positive pulses and negative pulses)
I believe that with shifting negative pulses to be at the same phase as positive will make this current pump work twice efficient due to larger voltage difference between capacitor terminals.
Remember it is slow frequency car relay powered by 12V input source !
Now you tell me how to replace relay with higher frequency higher voltage circuits ???
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 14, 2010, 01:07:50 PM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 14, 2010, 01:11:06 PM
exercise :

take two AV plugs with long wire and place nearby , try to visualize how we can connect both together  ::)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 14, 2010, 01:46:07 PM
another circuit variant in that one I was able to charge cap only to 20V :-(

I believe that Avramenko plug is scattering radio waves into DC pulses but look how two diodes are used. I think they produce opposite pure voltage potentials but they are shifted in phase (positive pulses and negative pulses)
I believe that with shifting negative pulses to be at the same phase as positive will make this current pump work twice efficient due to larger voltage difference between capacitor terminals.
Remember it is slow frequency car relay powered by 12V input source !
Now you tell me how to replace relay with higher frequency higher voltage circuits ???

Nice teory If you want seek complicated things, where are not.
If you wonder how avramenko work. Just imagine membrane pump, like this
If you rise frequency (rate of pumping) or voltage (pressure) you will have more efective pump, that is true. When you applied something like both pulses, negative and positive, you will get nothing.
If you wonder how to rise effeciency, just go study stiffler device
http://67.76.235.52/images/seccir.gif
http://stifflerscientific.com/
He already sucessed with that, when applied about 200v spikes with frequency about 3mhz, realy effective pump.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 14, 2010, 02:32:19 PM
well,I thought only how to make it more efficient because I think this is the essential part of Don Smith table top device secondary,he just used special coil
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 24, 2010, 09:33:03 AM
Hey ,  been way too busy lately. I have been doing some research and a few tests on things though.

While I was digging through some of my stuff, I found a couple neon transformers used in scanners and thought to give the Arvmenko Plug a shot.  I am impressed.

Its in 2 vids.  The first vid was cut of due to the camera shutting off when I discharged a cap at 700v. Mini EMP. ;]

I have only tried it this evening and havnt done any current tests on the input.

But the vids show what it is about.

But how many plugs n caps can we charge with this method?

I have some parts coming in hopefully this week. I ordered some SIDAC devices which I have read them to be specified as solid state spark gaps.    Would those be silent explosions?   We shall see.

It is taking long for the vids to load    they are still loading, the second one anyway.   I am going to sleep, the second one should be up in a bit..

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on November 24, 2010, 02:20:51 PM
@Magluvin

If you have a second capacitor and two more diodes, you can do the same thing off the other circuit polarity. Or try the capacitor on the other circuit terminal. If you have two capacitors one on each terminal on one wire each only, then you should double your output without creating that much additional load on the circuit.

Also, you can try using a lower voltage rated capacitor but with a higher mF rating and use it as a real tank, then try to send some of that juice back to your battery through another diode and a resistor so you do not deplete the capacitor to fast. Or even through a 12v zenor diode that will shoot pulses back to the battery at a certain voltage rating.

One question. Is the output of the circuit AC or DC?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 24, 2010, 07:33:08 PM
Mags

Can you find device called Trisil ? It seems much beter then SIDAC.
Can you find the exact name for such device ?
Attached is comparision.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 24, 2010, 08:47:24 PM
Mags

I've found that connecting a big stranded copper wire to the big iron thing or copper tube grounded speed up capacitor charging many times. Can you try it ?
Just connect it to the capacitor negative terminal (where diode connect to it from anode).I suspect that it works like a pump and take electrons from metal.
The rate seems also proportional to the voltage of incoming wave.
I'm sure there is plenty of electrons everywhere generated by our Earth, just "dormant till cycled"
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 24, 2010, 09:13:36 PM
oh...That is classic phenomenon called "Displacement current"  for example tesla writes about it here: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm (among others)
Because do not exist coil, withou current, there is always current which depentds on capacity. If you add capacity, you will increase current in coil, and if you will have exact ampermetr conected in primary , you can also clearly see the current rise in primary as you increase current in secondary by conected capacity(can be earth grounding, antene, iron, copper or anything conductive.) And thus that, is increased efectivity of avramenko.

Or in other words, there is not exist absolutely closed circuit, and there is not exist absolutely open circuit.(thanks to Capacity, or longitudinal wave if you want)
Thus that, is also evident that for avramenko, coil with small capacity betwet turns is more efective that coil with high capacity betwen turns(bifilar for example) Because if you consider coil which have for example 6pf parasitic capacitance, and you add avramenko plug which add letsay 100pf to the coil, then bigger part of current will flow to the avramenko. And of course if you will have letsay, coil with parasitic capacitance 1.2n and you will add avramenko with his 100pf then bigger part of current will remain in coil. Of course, you can connect avramenko with letsay 100pf on one side, and grounding with XXXXXpf on other side. Then total capacitance which you add will be of course much more than 100pf, because is in serial conection with ground.

Next what you can observe is fact, that ground, and also air have negative charge, of course earth have much more negative potencial than air.(and depends on voltage node in coil, elevation, yearly period, distance from other object, and others little aspect.)
Because If you connect avr. plug. to the side where is + (after sudden interrupt in primary)  then is more efective than if you connect it to the - side of the coil.

To the discharging back to the battery: I remember 8 years ago there was effort to do it.
http://vmiksik.sweb.cz/energy.html It was posted on one czech forum, but nobody post succes.

on page 34, I was posted scheme how to maximize efectivity of avramenko, by using ground and antene. But it lead nowhere. no overunity.
If you do not harvest back the energy from collapsing magntic field. Then the energy will be radiated and lost. Only part of radiation you will use to the avramenko. But on other hand. If you connect letsay, capacitor to collect it, then efectivity of avramenko is decreased, until capacitor is charged to some level.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 25, 2010, 01:36:26 AM
Hey Watts
I can see how the cap just gets 1 side charged at a time from the pump action of the secondary during each phase.
The secondary just pumps the electrons(or charge) from 1 side of the cap to the other.
So a large cap, I would want a transformer that was larger to get it to charge in a timely manor, Lots of copper on that secondary, more free electrons and lots of volume to pump and compress them to.
An open secondary must be pumping the electrons from one end to the other of the sec coil, AND there has to be room in that coil to take on new electrons from one side of the cap, and possibly be depleted of some when pumping them into the other side of the cap. Inductor inertia.

Either way I think doing all this probably affects the input some how. Im doing a vid of input power in a bit, one with the neon tube, one sec open and one with the plug and different value caps. I might think a 1F cap may cause a bit of a load on the plug, maybe.

Hey Forest
I will definitely check more about those devices. We will see what the SIDACs do when they get here.  I think they were 1500w if I remember correctly.  Got myself a 4700ft roll of 23 awg wire to roll my own large inductors also. Just got it today.  If I need larger awg for a project I can wind multiple strands of it. Its my first big roll of this type of wire. Ive had larger though when I was doing car audio. =]
I think adding the GND to the circuit just may  get the neon unit pulling some big current.  Ill do a test and a vid on it.  =]

Hey IWD

Thanks for the info.

Tito pointed it to us, so hopefully it holds some merit. ;]  Thanks teets, very cool
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 26, 2010, 05:36:22 AM
Here is a vid of input current from the battery.   It is still uploading, says about 55 min   argh   wuzzup wit yt

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 26, 2010, 11:19:00 AM
Mags

Can you check with smaller cap maybe higher voltage rated ? The only problem I see is how to speed up process of charging without consuming current from source.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Kator01 on November 26, 2010, 02:00:13 PM
Hi Mag,

why do you not calculate the energy of the capacitor with this formula here for Ec:

http://www.olino.org/us/articles/2006/11/22/charge-efficiency-capacitor (http://www.olino.org/us/articles/2006/11/22/charge-efficiency-capacitor)

after you have measured the current times Voltage times seconds it needs to charge up the capapcitor to a certain voltage-level ?

However, before you can do this, you have to exactly measure the capacitance of your condenser as you can not trust the value on the label.

Regards

Kator01

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 26, 2010, 05:25:33 PM
Forest
I know what you are saying.   Im waiting for some caps to come in.   I tried larger value caps and its dreadfully slow.

Kator
Mainly I wanted to see if the av plug charging the cap had any expense on the input, and it does.
And the expense is very low in my opinion.

I think I can do better with the Igniter circuit, with the right inductor. Thats why I got the large roll of wire. =]

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 26, 2010, 05:40:33 PM
Forest

The Trisil seems to be the Shizzle my Nizzle. ;]    Foshizzle.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 26, 2010, 11:56:17 PM
Got my SIDACs in today, 20  for 12.99

Just ordered 50 TRISILs  as shown in the pdf above on ebay for 32 buck shipped, be here this week.

In the pdf, it shows 4 leads connected to each end of the diode, For an 8 pin DIP I would never imagine as much current handling till seeing this.

Cheap enough for experimentation. Can be put in series to raise the breakover voltage.

Cool stuff

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 27, 2010, 04:30:51 AM
I have been experimenting with the av plug cap charging.

Im using a SIDAC to discharge the cap into a standard ignition coil primary. Im doing the vid in a bit. It might take time for it to load.

Im pretty happy with the results.   The primary of the coil is 1.25 ohms. The SIDAC is dumping 250v from a .33uf 275v cap.  It is producing a very good spark.

To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w

Here we are using max, 60ma 12v,  750mw using the av plug and a small neon transformer circuit.

I wonder how much power they use in todays ignitions..

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 27, 2010, 06:35:34 AM
Started uploading the vid   It says there is 50 min to go.  Ill post when its up.

I have to say these SIDACs handle a lil juice.  Peaks.

The Trisil is the shizzle though

I am going to try a couple experiments charging the 1uf 2kv cap using a bridge but with the light in series to limit the current to the boards normal running conditions.  The cap should go to 250 very quick for discharge into the spark coil.  I also wanna try 2 sidac in series for a 500v gap.

I wonder if an AV plug would work in a house ac outlet?    Not that it would not consume power, but wonder.

Back when vids done.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 27, 2010, 07:29:05 AM

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: penno64 on November 27, 2010, 07:51:19 AM
Wonderful !

Now introduce an earth/ground connection

Penno
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on November 27, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Wow!

Great result Mags!

Yeah,it's time to connect it also to the bigger ground,bigger metal,something having a lot more free electrons.Maybe just grounding a case is enough ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 27, 2010, 08:35:11 PM
Ground

How can we avoid using ground and get the same effect.   I get the concept of using gnd. It is the same as using a suspended metallic object as a gnd for a crystal radio set. It works, but the earth is larger.

Like when I touch the casing of the spark coil, I simulate a stash of free electrons, in the form of a capacitive connection to the primary coil in the casing, thus giving our charge caps something on the other side to work with , giving the ability to charge quicker. When I touch that casing, charge flows in and out of me as fast as the polarity change from the neon transformer.

But,  in each case, whether it be earth gnd, human ground, or just rigging the neon transformer to directly charge the cap via bridge rect, we increase the current input. No free lunch yet. And of all, the direct method will give us a very very fast charge, at .6a 12v  7.2W    Just the av plug one ended to the neon transformer, max power is .75w tot
and we have to wait for full charge.

I am doing another vid in a bit.  Using 2 SIDACs in series, putting 2  275v caps in series(.33 and .22 = bout .13uf)
So now she is gapped at 500v.  I am also using more capacitive winding to the casing. Some of it will be bringing the input above 100ma. So about 50ma is being consumed after the neon circuit.   These sidacs are fun to mess with. I was afraid they would not handle much, but they are exceeding my expectations.  Ebay  Cheap  Obsolete parts.  So the trisil should blow me away.

I have tried to run the spark coil from the neon transformer directly and with spark gap alone, due to the neon is a couple kv, it produces a starting spark at about 1mm or so. But it cannot produce the spark from the coil alone.

Maybe the AV plug can be used to kick an lrc.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 27, 2010, 09:28:45 PM
I forgot to mention That effeciency of av plug can be also raised by adding selfinductanc serialy connected with capacitor.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 27, 2010, 09:52:57 PM
I had thought about putting a lil inertia in there. But if the plug only affects 1 side of the cap per phase, hmmm
Maybe.  A coil in series between each diode and the cap.  Once it gets going, the coils are flywheelin charge from one side of the cap to the other.  Despite discharge, if the coils are the right H for the freq of the neon unit, the neon unit will now only be a kicker keeping the flywheels in motion, and hopefully less current input comes of it.

Think of it, even as one side of the cap is being charged by neon unit each phase, with the flywheels in motion, both sides of the cap will be affected in charge at all times.

Thanks Iwd   Makes sense to me  ;]

Im shooting this 500v gap vid right now. Then I want to try this flywheel ting.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 27, 2010, 10:08:51 PM
Well ...I do not write something, what I do not testing before, only fact.
But what you can find very interesting, is that conencting negative  part of primary to condenser. like in attached picture(only simle scheme do not look at value, first two coil are on same core, and better is trifilar where you can take negative point from one free secondary. The third coil is just selfinductance):
It doubles the av plug output for constant(same) time, for same input power.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 27, 2010, 11:50:29 PM
Iwd
Are you sure this primary connection wont hurt my primary side circuitry?  Even when I touch a secondary lead I can pull a spark about 1mm, and it burns.  This might cause my primary of the neons circuitry to become of that high potential.
Would you suggest a resistor or cap to make that connection?

I have added an inductor to the mix for this vid, and I can show if there is a difference, but not using the primary line as shown above yet.

Will be postin the vid in a bit

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on November 28, 2010, 12:00:44 AM
I understand, for that reason is better to use transformer with 3 windings like I am wrote, and use negative point from free secondary. I was make my transformer by my self, and other part like mosfet is highly overlarge with breakdown parametrs. But with you device, is realy not good idea to connect it by this way.
I am also using lower voltage than you. If you care about larger spark, then is good to use high voltage and smal value caps, and charged it to higger possible value. But if you care about taking back some power back to source. Or just when you want handle with it, then is better to use smaller voltage.
Benefits are for example: for lower voltage you can use much faster diodes(25ns) which also increase efectivity of avr. plug
Or you can discharge it to other coil, or somwhere else, by tranzistors or mosfets which is also better and more efective than using sidac, trisil, transil or sparkgap, because when you are using solidstate part you can easy control break time and thus thath break wave at peak. Even more, you can discharge capacitor by let say, 5* times before are empty, and thus that you can have 5 break at peak. And I can also make exact measurement of input/output power
(and of course when you have let say mosfet rated 1500v, then you can have more than 1000v tension spikes on primary, and thus that with transformer just with letsay rate 1:5 ..you can have 5kv on the output, and input power will stay at letsay 0,1A from 12v battery,...if you care about biggest possible voltage, just use ingnition coil and mosfet rated at least 800v, and you will have let say 1-1,3 cm long arch on the output, just with 1,2w input) I write this, because maybe I am just misunderstood this:
"To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps
, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w"
You mean with DC current without any interrupt?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 28, 2010, 02:28:18 AM
I write this, because maybe I am just misunderstood this:
"To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps
, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w"
You mean with DC current without any interrupt?

True, DC as example.  Actually older cars with points, you shouldnt leave the ignition on due to the points may be closed. Its not good for points or the coil, let alone the battery. Many coils vary.  I have a coil MSD that wont fire with 12v, it needs cap discharge.

Back in a bit

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on November 28, 2010, 04:04:04 AM

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 01, 2010, 01:48:19 AM
hi everyone! good day!  ;D

I just want to share this library that helps me a lot!
There's a lot of infos here, hope it'll help a little in your FE adventure.  ;D

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?&p=how+to+build+a+free+energy+device&rs=0ni=20&fr=yfp-t-701-s&fr2=
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 01, 2010, 01:57:49 AM
Teets!    CRON?

Is that where you use iron wire as a core and it is also the secondary coil?

I had the pat from 1907 last night and I lost it, no history, cant find.  I remember it was called a converter  as they did back then and the pat is from Philadelphia pa.

It had shown , like I saw in a tesla pat, a coil of wire(iron) with copper coil around it like a toroid, and it had shown other examples.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 01, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
oh boy, there is a rhyuma attack in my hands and lips, i can't write and talk.

sorry i'll just answer it next time, by the way i just told my assistant to make typing for me.  ;D

bye got to go  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 01, 2010, 03:16:59 AM
;D

ok ok ok no i didn't use that in this project.

i just use simple materials like lot of simple copper coils.

Now, to get free energy use a thin copper like 22awg (of course many wind)then use a small caps and this will serve as a booster then use a thick copper like #4-10 awg as a use for output (winding depends on voltage you get and what you want) for large capacity.

notice why tesla use small caps in his tesla coil  ???

then just series and parallel technique will do some doping effect.

wait a minute!: i'm expecting that you are already using the efficient way of using the source!  >:(

There are three ways of using the source efficiently that i rediscovered and they are already been discussed in this forum ok?

ossie callanan techniqe is number 4.
do you know that combining ozone pattent in ossie also a good way to overing output. mark my word!
using this technique will minimise one switch. and that's great!

goodluck guys. love you all bye.

do you know also that i am the daughter of my father Tito L. Oracion?

now decide what youved  read. ;D

my father is a great inventor.

my name is cassandra, many times he writes here and now i am. lol ;D

bye,

ps, next time my father will be the one to write again. he is currently in Los Angeles snooping around lol.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 02, 2010, 05:53:43 AM
Ossie Ozone zippity zapper

So, use source in series with large inductor,( just wound one) then use 2 sidacs to replace the reeds, except we add a cap for discharge into the coils. The sidacs should connect and disconnect at equal times in series as the reeds were.
BUT, we will need a start switch to get the inductor going to develop the voltage in the cap to meet the breakover voltage of the sidacs. So for that config, a cap will be chosen that is small enough for the cap to charge to 480v for the sidacs to kick . Then just collect as the Ossie motor does to the battery.

I wound a lot of wire on the spool for the large inductor. Over 2000 ft.  56ohm  23awg.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 02, 2010, 05:54:10 AM
=]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 03, 2010, 02:23:56 AM
;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 03, 2010, 02:45:37 AM
Found the pat on my pc that I thought I lost on the iron core/secondary. Very interesting.   I use firefox, and it seems to want to choose where to put certain items when downloading. Some go to Downloads folder, some go to temp folder, within a hidden folder Local Settings.  Is there a way to have 1 default download folder in firefox?
Oh yeah, the pat was from 1904.

Dont get all choked up teets, ;]       remember its for the world. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 03, 2010, 02:50:50 AM
;D ;D :o ;D ;D      :P :P
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 03, 2010, 03:02:39 AM
Ossie Ozone zippity zapper

So, use source in series with large inductor,( just wound one) then use 2 sidacs to replace the reeds, except we add a cap for discharge into the coils. The sidacs should connect and disconnect at equal times in series as the reeds were.
BUT, we will need a start switch to get the inductor going to develop the voltage in the cap to meet the breakover voltage of the sidacs. So for that config, a cap will be chosen that is small enough for the cap to charge to 480v for the sidacs to kick . Then just collect as the Ossie motor does to the battery.

I wound a lot of wire on the spool for the large inductor. Over 2000 ft.  56ohm  23awg.

Mags

Well, not bad, your way is different, mine is simple and simplicity is the best policy. hahaha  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 03, 2010, 03:03:45 AM
Ossie Ozone zippity zapper

So, use source in series with large inductor,( just wound one) then use 2 sidacs to replace the reeds, except we add a cap for discharge into the coils. The sidacs should connect and disconnect at equal times in series as the reeds were.
BUT, we will need a start switch to get the inductor going to develop the voltage in the cap to meet the breakover voltage of the sidacs. So for that config, a cap will be chosen that is small enough for the cap to charge to 480v for the sidacs to kick . Then just collect as the Ossie motor does to the battery.

I wound a lot of wire on the spool for the large inductor. Over 2000 ft.  56ohm  23awg.

Mags

Well, not bad, your way is different, mine is simple and simplicity is the best policy. hahaha  ;D

Quote
:P

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 03, 2010, 03:13:01 AM
Thanks Teets.  Here is a pic of the SIDAC and the TRISIL

I can understand that your setup might be simpler, but you did recommend Ossie, and as far as I see there are 2 switches. Or are you referring to something else?

:P

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 03, 2010, 04:03:14 AM
Ya, i think i just made an improvement? or a variation in ossie's design by eliminating one switch, and added up some secondaries in ossie's series coils then connecting them parallel to add more extra juice. simple but effective.hmmmm  ;D of course we can add a lot of transistors in 7812  setup as current amplifier in the secondaries hmmmmmmm!.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 03, 2010, 05:16:07 AM
Teets!  lol    Are you saying fire the coils in series, but collect from them in parallel?  Can they be hooked up in series and stay that way, AND by using diodes we can capture from each of them in parallel to 1 collector?  I will have to try it, or even just look at a diagram to visualize.

Sorry if all this is taking me so long to figure out teets.   Im picking up my new work bench/desk this week coming up.       Mags Lab!   It will help me keep more organized with parts and multiple projects.
Im not doing much experimenting tonight.  Added a core to the Large inductor made from iron tie wire pieces.  With 1 fast  tap of 24v,  over 600v into a 1uf cap. The core pieces I had wrapped with thick cellophane to insulate them, adding them as I wrapped. Could be denser, theres always more time to do more, hopefully. ;]

Thanks teets. U da Man.    :-*       lol

Mags Lab
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 03, 2010, 06:38:06 AM
http://www.zen22142.zen.co.uk/Circuits/Power/1230psu.htm

BUT! take note for the balance ok!

so looong fel   ;)

ps: i'm wondering why this thread of mine become ossie motor thread, hmm.  ???
i think ossie is crossing just to say 'hi i'm also better design hmmmm'.  :D

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 06, 2010, 05:17:26 AM
Something I thought of that doesnt make sense to me.

Considering a transformer, lets say step down,  say 10 to 1,  with 100v in and 10v out.
If ya think about it, on the secondary, the voltage is stepped down, less motive force, less pressure, yet the amperage capability is relatively high.  Or the other way around, 100v, high pressure, but low current content.  Sounds like something is wrong here.  I just really never looked at it that way before. Sounds like basic info, but when we consider the pressure(voltage) capabilities in each situation, something doesnt seem right.

Is it only related to the AWG size of the wire for the pri and sec?

If we looked at a step up as if it were gears and the teeth were turns, The sec, larger gear with more teeth, has more pressure, force, voltage, and low current, low current as in the gear moves slow, things are moving slow on that side, where as the smaller gear, the primary, can be driven with little pressure, voltage, but great amount of movement, current.

I dunno.   It seems as if there were a way to make a transformer that had gain, we may be able to apply that idea to gears in some fashion.   weird

I just have these crazy visions of it has to be done another way.   Its like havin a name you cant recall on the tip of your tongue.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on December 06, 2010, 07:03:44 PM
Hi Magluvin,

That is something that has always got to me. You can take a 10Awg wire make a 20 turn coil and spin a diametric magnet next to it with a Dremel and get 8 amps out but the voltage will be in the micro-volts. Take the same weight of coil in 22Awg and you will get 10+volts but very little current. The copper mass, the magnet and speed hasn't changed but the B-Fields linking the coils has increased. So if we want to get amps we have to lessen the B-Field interference. If we want voltage we need a higher linked B-Field.

Could it be possible to get a 10ft conical wire that start from 22Awg and ramps up to 12Awg? If two of these are wound opposing each other tapped in the middle it might be possible to get both the voltage and the current from the same speed magnet? I'm not really sure how a non-linear wire would work or how to calculate it.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on December 06, 2010, 08:03:03 PM
..oh...just go, and measure the inductance. of these two coils, and mystery will be gone.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on December 06, 2010, 09:02:55 PM
Hi IWD,

Yes for linear we can measure the inductance but for non-linear wire wrapped as a coil would it still be calculated the same? A cone shaped wire going from 12Awg to 22Awg, the circumference of the coil would change based on the change of diameter. The B-Field will expand towards the top and shrink towards the bottom the way I visualize it.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on December 06, 2010, 10:12:46 PM
-Electricity flows around the wire, not in the wire
-smalt izolation is adjusting spacing betwen two wires, in sense of two waies current.
-and also size of wire is adjusting spacing betwen pair of two current path.
-more path with moving charges in same particular space and time, will ressults as bigger inductance.
-More possible ways off current is concentrated in smaller space, and thus that, is more intensive magnetic field, and of course induced current is also creating more intensive magnetic field, with opozite polarization.
-And of course with decreasing of rate(balance) betwen electric and magnetic field, one type of energy will supply the other type(magnetic for current, and electric for voltage)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on December 06, 2010, 10:33:04 PM
@Magluvin

A few years ago I asked myself the same question and came up with this idea.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg136972#msg136972

I am sure such a core laminate would save tons of copper wire to achieve the same step-up or step-down coupling effects and maybe even to increase gain. lol

@DreamThinkBuild

Doing it with a conical wire itself should make no difference to the coupling. You will still be regulated by the thinnest part of the wire.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 07, 2010, 02:00:46 AM
Something has open.
oh boy its so exciting hmmmmm.......
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 07, 2010, 03:08:15 AM
Hey Teets

Im right huh?  Something is wrong with the conventional way, and many other ways that that the same theory of mutual induction applies.

I remember Agent Gates coil.  The angles had my mind hanging outside the box for a bit.
Before Gates appeared, I had an idea that if the conductors were at some angle to each other, that there could possibly be an acceleration or form of gear ratio thing in primary and secondary. I had the idea from just visualizing a spinning field around the conductors that acted like gears when interacting with each other, the primary and secondary.  But I had dropped the idea and proceeded with other projects.
But as I began into Gates thread, he said something that sparked my memory, and I think I posted about it there.
I cant remember, and just spent some time looking for the original thread that was posted as applied for ou prize. Gone?
But it was something to do with the spinning around the conductors, that if you pulsed it the right way, the spinning became large and continued to spin beyond the pulse, and when pulsed timely, it would produce dc output on the sec.

But the spin interaction, while the conductors are at an angle to each other, I envisioned a sort of way to change the gear ratio, depending on the angle and distance of the pri and sec conductors.  The word I believe he used that got me was accelerate.  I was hooked for a bit.
I began to think Gates was holding back on correct info along the way, and my evidence was pretty strong on the conviction, as there was inconsistency here n there.

EDIT  I believed he didnt want anyone to get it done before him, at the time.  Many were fumbling from design to the new design.  I think the sec definitely needed to be heavy wire, but also the primary should have been larger than prescribed, as shown in his gift to Stefan, of which was suppose to be a working model in progress. =l

From what I have heard, they are still working on it.  Grapes

Anyway, Im rambling.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 07, 2010, 03:17:44 AM
Good stuff Watts

Hmmm, maybe somehow have more core volume toward the tip of the cone, and thin out toward the open end.

Im glad you and Dream have had the same thoughts.  Its strange how this idea eluded me for so long.

Back in the days, they studied 1 wire against 1 wire.  and strange looking simplistic experiments.  Maybe we need to dig into such things.   I had suggested to Gates that maybe testing just 2 wires crossing each other to find optimal angle.

hmm  wonder how AGs coil would react with trisil shmacks from da caps.   Maybe it can deliver a big spinfest as compared to the transistor switch.  Still got my AG coil.  Will give it a go.

=]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 07, 2010, 03:29:50 AM
Hey Teets

It would be very cool if at least when we ask a question that IS in the right direction, that you let us know with a big YES! when we do get something right. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :-*

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 07, 2010, 08:24:16 AM
Oh  :o

Well, YES! thats one door but there are other doors and sometimes we Need to combine those doors to make pretty smoothly cool running engine.

Let say for example: to have a cool running engine it needs some water, air , gasoline, oil and a good heavy duty materials okay?

Now, what happens in our thread is that in different days we get discover water, the other day oil. etc, got it?  ;D The target is moving, then to solve its movement we have to check its every move to point it out.

So therefore we conclude that free energy can achieved by means of good combination of different working ideas, right?  8)

That's why what Tesla did was to scater all of his work into separate pieces and gave it to his different friends.

and so now those different tech are already in the WWW then our only task now is to solve the puzzle ok.

Tesla is genius but we are more genius now than tesla ok  ;D

Now wakeup!  ;D

ps: do you know how frankenstine is made? we can do it more better ok  :)
: There is always room for improvement :) :(

Tito mateti reporting  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on December 07, 2010, 09:38:49 AM
Tito

You really do not know how complicated it is to found even simple thing  :(
Some are blessed but accidentally finding a working device and can learn from this, but others have a lot of ideas like a many gears from watch but they haven't ever seen a watch so they have no such blinking moment : "AHA ! That's a part of the watch!"
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on December 08, 2010, 03:15:42 AM
Quote
Doing it with a conical wire itself should make no difference to the coupling. You will still be regulated by the thinnest part of the wire.

Thank you Wattsup and IWD for the explanation.

Hi Tito,

In one of your post you mentioned two coils, one large, one small, with a cap. Do you spark gap the small coil into the large coil or are they flux linked? :)

Hi Magluvin,

Quote
Back in the days, they studied 1 wire against 1 wire.  and strange looking simplistic experiments.  Maybe we need to dig into such things. I had suggested to Gates that maybe testing just 2 wires crossing each other to find optimal angle.

I still keep thinking we can capture the B-Field that is setup around a conductor. Take a 1ft 10Awg wire which will run our input signal. Take a 12Awg steel electric fence wire as the core now coil the 22Awg wire onto the 12Awg core. Now take that candy cane and wrap it around our conductor. Put a square wave into the 10Awg wire and measure the output of the 22Awg which is coiled around it. If we get even in the milli-watts all we should be able to calculate how long a cable we need to get the desired watts. It might just turn out to be a inefficient heater though (melted). :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 08, 2010, 08:37:03 AM
Thank you Wattsup and IWD for the explanation.

Hi Tito,

In one of your post you mentioned two coils, one large, one small, with a cap. Do you spark gap the small coil into the large coil or are they flux linked? :)

Hi Magluvin,

I still keep thinking we can capture the B-Field that is setup around a conductor. Take a 1ft 10Awg wire which will run our input signal. Take a 12Awg steel electric fence wire as the core now coil the 22Awg wire onto the 12Awg core. Now take that candy cane and wrap it around our conductor. Put a square wave into the 10Awg wire and measure the output of the 22Awg which is coiled around it. If we get even in the milli-watts all we should be able to calculate how long a cable we need to get the desired watts. It might just turn out to be a inefficient heater though (melted). :)

Yes, its from small -> large coil but I eliminated the spark gap anymore, don't use it pls. And they are flux linked also.  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ElectricGoose on December 08, 2010, 10:16:43 AM
Yes, its from small -> large coil but I eliminated the spark gap anymore, don't use it pls. And they are flux linked also.  :)

OK I have had enough.  As someone who KNOWS how an OU device works I am just going to come out and say it.

Tito...you are entirely full of shit!

I have watched you change your story and 'guide' people with your idiotic hints for months and even though I know the formula, you make no sense to me at all.  What hope for someone who has no idea where to start!!!!  WHY??  Because you are a liar and just as lost as all these other people!!  All you do is crave the attention of forum people saying "oh Sir Tito...please tell us".  You have changed your crap so many times I don't know why nobody else calls you on it.  First you say spark gap and ABC is the method, then when someone else has something promising, you say "yehhhhh thats EXACTLY what I'm doing and forget about the spark gap"  LMAO.  Next month it is something else or some other stupid regurgitated internet fluff that isnt even your own spiel.

You sir are a little clown, a village idiot with nothing and have never shown these people anything.  Go away and stop misleading the masses!

E-Goose
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on December 08, 2010, 11:57:26 AM
As someone who KNOWS how an OU device works...

so when are you going to lay the golden egg on us man?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on December 08, 2010, 02:50:07 PM
Teets
I don't think you are sure ,Perhaps you are getting  a"Voltage" increase?
Can you just post one power in power out calc?
We have been learning an awful lot about Batteries lately,

And how tricky they really are?
Have you been tricked?

Or is the goose Correct?
Fess up bro !!,post some numbers !

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on December 09, 2010, 12:43:24 AM
OK I have had enough.  As someone who KNOWS how an OU device works I am just going to come out and say it.

Tito...you are entirely full of shit!

I have watched you change your story and 'guide' people with your idiotic hints for months and even though I know the formula, you make no sense to me at all.  What hope for someone who has no idea where to start!!!!  WHY??  Because you are a liar and just as lost as all these other people!!  All you do is crave the attention of forum people saying "oh Sir Tito...please tell us".  You have changed your crap so many times I don't know why nobody else calls you on it.  First you say spark gap and ABC is the method, then when someone else has something promising, you say "yehhhhh thats EXACTLY what I'm doing and forget about the spark gap"  LMAO.  Next month it is something else or some other stupid regurgitated internet fluff that isnt even your own spiel.

You sir are a little clown, a village idiot with nothing and have never shown these people anything.  Go away and stop misleading the masses!

E-Goose

Sorry Goose but you are the one that is full of it demanding stuff and calling people names. Just because @Tito is not following your personal time table, gives you no right to treat him like crap on a stick. You are definitely not doing anyone here a favor in treating @members like that, so I suggest you either apologize, or remove your post or get lost.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ElectricGoose on December 09, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
Sorry Goose but you are the one that is full of it demanding stuff and calling people names. Just because @Tito is not following your personal time table, gives you no right to treat him like crap on a stick. You are definitely not doing anyone here a favor in treating @members like that, so I suggest you either apologize, or remove your post or get lost.

Oh poor wattsup...somebody critcising your hero and you can't handle the truth?  Funny thing, I dont hear any response from Tito!
1)  I dont need to apologise for the truth...it is what it is and those are the facts.  If you can't handle it go cry to your mama.
2)  I don't need Tito's shit therefore I dont know where you come up with this "timeline theory".  I have my own OU thankyou.
3)  I simply hate BS and call people on it.

Too many followers here and not enough lone wolves.  Thats why these forums are mostly about going around in circles and blah blah blah blah.
I shall now leave you to your delusion wattsup.  Good day.

E-Goose
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2010, 02:53:53 AM
Be cool Goose.  I too had some anxiety toward Tito at times. But being mean is something else. Like Playboy magazine, if you dont approve of the content, dont pick up the book.

I think we are making some forward progress.

Guys, I know I pause for bits of time from all this, and I dont want to.  Sometimes its the nut cases I was living with, sometimes it is going to try something that I think I figured out and tried but the results were way off of anticipation. Then I go into a Whats the deal with this, it aint workin, at all!    But I realize for sure that I just dont have the right ingredients, or the right values, of some, they need adjust ability to get things right.  I get in a funk some times. But I bounce back and continue.

Im running to the store to get Bebe, my cat, some food and snacks, and some windex, and other things.  I wish I could just work on this continuously, but kitty needs to eat, and dust needs cleaning, and so on.
Im getting the new bench set up this weekend.  cant wait.  =]

Anyway, be cool, or put up or shut up. You are bragging here, so maybe take some of your own advice. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2010, 04:41:57 AM
;D

hi goose

The way you talk, you have something huh?, ok can you lay it now goose!!?

you can not? then your're more than a shit goose!!! you boosted goose!  :P
That's your word so i think it is appropriated for you, you shit!, shit! shit!!!

I apologize if i made you disappointed okay?

one time i said i'm giving a lot of jumble info from 12 project i am doing okay ?

cause i will not give totally or completely the secret ok!!!?, but you know what? sometimes good or bad words made me tell a lot, if you're just really following me you can solve some of my project!.

now! if you don't want me!!!! i'm not forcing you to GOOSE AWAY!!!!!  ;D

OR ELSE I'LL ELECTROCUTE YOU! by the way did you saw an electrocuted goose?  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2010, 04:59:41 AM
ok i'm sorry for your word i'm not used to say it.  :(

small coil to large coil means to me as thick coil to thin coil and that is what i'm using for boosting voltage and current of course i'm not saying it is complete already ok!

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2010, 04:59:53 AM
Peace be with you may you rest in peace  ;D

Hi goose, i cannot response right away cause i'm busy and i don't really want to answer some goose brain! joke ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2010, 05:20:10 AM

We have been learning an awful lot about Batteries lately,

And how tricky they really are?

Chet

hi chet

what did you learn about batteries? will you please share it to me pls.  :)

i think i missed it.

pls,pls, pls, pls, pls.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on December 09, 2010, 03:05:06 PM
Teets
Batteries??

They can give the illusion of OU ,mostly because we don't understand that when a battery seems dead ,there is actually alot of energy still stored that we previously threw away![because we didn't know how to get it]

The ability to actually understand the potential of a battery, is very very hard to do!

Teets If your concept is relying on batteries to do any thing more thank "Start" an event!
If you really can run a heavy resistive load [thousands of watts],on One watch battery,

Then you are getting OU,
But if your swapping around 700 watch batteries and caps in some kind of Gizmo circuit to run the fridge,you need to let it run for a few weeks or months to know whats really going on!

Teets,
Its almost Christmas,you know what I want?
The gift that keeps on giving!
Open source! [no secrets]

Chetkremens@gmail.com

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 10, 2010, 02:06:51 AM
hi chet thank you for your share.

No!, we are not throwing anything in battery, we just let it flow or move going to other side.
No!, You are getting OU if you successfully remove the battery ok?

Yes ! i believe you when battery is dead the electrons are joined with the protons so everything is there they just need to be re separate.

in my knowledge i am relying with the combine energy of battery coils and caps, i'm just using battery as a starter when everything is running and energized then we can remove the battery. that is what i am is doing, now starting from small energy is different story but the same nature of amplification cause what i am doing in this case is that a chain reaction in coil makes a lot of coil to energize separate from the source completely.

now if your asking how is that chain reaction be done then that is the real secret sorry.  :(

Did you try hitting the middle of your leg in front where it is bending, if you hit it then your foot will kick automatically, something like that.  ;D

But! if you hit lot of leg then theres a lot of kick!  JUST IN ONE TIME USE OF SOURCE INPUT OK;D

So let say for example  if you have 100 kicker coils then it will be multiplied by the number of how many time you made use of the source then surely you have lots of gain!!!!

see chet just minimal secret now ok? ;D

HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND.

now if you understand it, you tell me if i'm not telling the truth!

@goose, just because you don't understand then i'm a full of shit!? huh!?
you turkey brain! courtesy of sir wattsup ;D joke

Tito mateti reporting ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 10, 2010, 06:49:14 PM
Hey teets, dont lower your self to gooses level.   ;)

100 coils?   well, Im only at 1 to 3 coils at the moment, so lets try to focus on something to start with.
Its hard to get into this, and have more ingredients added without knowing what to do with them, let alone something basic to start with and no solid direction.
So of course Ram wont understand yet, as I dont, as to the use of 100 coils and how they are hooked up, or even their arrangement for use. I suppose it will be something later to accept as we move along.

I havnt tried the trisils yet. Will tommorow.  Bang bang.   Will be interesting to see how they compare to sidacs

Got company coming tonight.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on December 10, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
Mags,
You are right !I don't understand,If I did it would be all over these pages!

Teetsla,
What you posted above [the bang the knee thing]
Seems like what william is saying [as best he can] Here,

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10085.msg266604#new

Post #22 ,his 1 into 36 comment?

Chet
PS
I've been doing the Bang the head against the wall thing ??
I'll try the knee!!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on December 10, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
Guys

I few pictures of testing my old circuit with my new scope.can you help me ?
Tito is there anything important with those scope-shots ?
4011 impulses only.jpg are when car coil was not connected, others when connected (done using old 2 channels 25Mhz analogue scope)
Tito,do you know maybe  how can I measure length of car coil secondary without destroying it ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TinselKoala on December 11, 2010, 01:52:57 AM
Forest, if you can, please try to display only two full cycles of the waveform, and let's see if your scope resolves the fast rise of the spike.
Next, you can expand the time scale even more, to zero in on just the spike portion of a single cycle, to see if the scope can make a visible trace as the signal voltage shoots up (or down).
You are missing a lot of detail of your circuit's performance hidden in the spikes, where your scope just shows a blank discontinuity right now.

You can estimate the length of wire in the sealed coil in a couple of ways. First you can measure accurately the coil's DC resistance and compute the length of winding wire from that---if you can get an accurate and precise resistance measurement.
Or, if you have a good signal generator, you can sweep the coil's primary and monitor the voltage on the secondary, looking for a resonant peak. The biggest resonant voltage rise will occur at a wavelength 4 times the length of the coil's winding, adjusted somewhat for the core of the coil. So the wire length will be roughly 1/4 the wavelength of the frequency that excites the largest resonant voltage rise in the secondary.

Why do you need to know the length anyway? To find the resonances empirically is always easier for me...my calculations are usually wrong anyway.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on December 11, 2010, 11:18:04 AM
Thanks TinselKoala

Precisely I'd like to find 1/4 wavelength for this coil ;-)
but I have only impulse square wave generator 1Hz-10Mhz and do not know wire diameter inside coil.
How can I find where voltage on output is maximum ? Cannot use scope because it will burn it from HV
My scope is very old and I have no experience,I haven't found a way to scope only two full cycles of waveform, there is only a way to trigger once (instead of automatic)  but I've never make it to work for me - in theory what it should show me ?
I'm trying to use ordinary parts to make Tesla coil with all Tesla comments in my mind.
Another question is how to shift phase of input oscillator according to the +DC sinus of RLC circuit so it will break it exactly at the peak of RLC wave ? Can scope properly display phase relations between two channels inputs in chopper mode ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 11, 2010, 03:51:00 PM
Hey Forest

What he is saying is, you can use the signal gen to apply a signal, and the scope, to find that freq, and from that you can determine the length of the sec.

But I think I know what your concerns are with hv.     I believe he is saying to just apply the sig to the sec, not the primary, to test the sec for 1/4 wave freq.  I cannot say for sure that if you did hook up the sig gen at very low input to the primary, that the sec may still output hv.  But probably.  If 12v can produce 15 to 20 kv   then 1v in can produce 1 to 2kv.  Even at very low input current, at certain freq.

I would say to just apply the sig gen to the sec, and measure across that with the scope, then sweep.  You will see that some freq will provide high points and low.  As TK says,  the highest point will be your target freq, and then calculate for length.  =]

I have seen diagrams of the internals shown as the common end of the sec connected to the + of the primary, and others show the common of the sec to the neg of the pri.    I have tried to measure the coil that I have with my meter to determine which, and my wavetek  is accurate to .01 ohm, but the sec resistance is to high, and the difference in adding the primary in series, I cannot tell for sure on my coil.

I would try both + and - for the sec test to note a difference if any.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on December 12, 2010, 12:43:43 AM
Hi forest,

You could make a coupling coil with a few turns (say 5-10 turns only, self supporting 1mm dia enameled copper wire, coil OD say 2cm) and connect to this coil your scope probe.  Then place this coupling coil near to the top end of you HV coil say a few cm away and start sweeping from the very low frequencies, gradually up and up till you get the first big voltage maximum on the scope, then continue exploring the higher frequencies where else may give newer big amplitudes etc.
This way your detuning effect is the smallest possible and when you find a big voltage maximum try to reposition your coil probe further away to further reduce any loading on the HV coil due to em coupling and always  RETUNE finely your generator if the repositioning may have caused some detuning.  This is a tiresome and time robbing procedure for sure.

rgds, Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on December 12, 2010, 05:26:50 AM
Something I thought of that doesnt make sense to me.

Considering a transformer, lets say step down,  say 10 to 1,  with 100v in and 10v out.
If ya think about it, on the secondary, the voltage is stepped down, less motive force, less pressure, yet the amperage capability is relatively high.  Or the other way around, 100v, high pressure, but low current content.  Sounds like something is wrong here.  I just really never looked at it that way before. Sounds like basic info, but when we consider the pressure(voltage) capabilities in each situation, something doesnt seem right.

Is it only related to the AWG size of the wire for the pri and sec?

If we looked at a step up as if it were gears and the teeth were turns, The sec, larger gear with more teeth, has more pressure, force, voltage, and low current, low current as in the gear moves slow, things are moving slow on that side, where as the smaller gear, the primary, can be driven with little pressure, voltage, but great amount of movement, current.

I dunno.   It seems as if there were a way to make a transformer that had gain, we may be able to apply that idea to gears in some fashion.   weird

I just have these crazy visions of it has to be done another way.   Its like havin a name you cant recall on the tip of your tongue.

Mags

Mags, Agent Gates thread was topic 8586.
I'm new to the boards and electronics. Ive been playing the SIM and screwed around with the transformer specs. I really feel that you can NOT trust the results at all. Unless I accidentally fell into a perfectly tuned OVER UNITY circuit. ~500x unity!!! 2w in 1kw out. What do Ya'll think???
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 12, 2010, 06:38:46 AM
Hey Tek
If you notice, the scope that shows input has a negative scale, of which is reading 13kw, so the sim  doesnt really show fault in producing ou as it isnt there in the circuit.  I have one that is 11w in and 15kw out, havnt found any fault in it and it worked as imagined for the outcome. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on December 12, 2010, 06:54:39 AM
Hey Tek
If you notice, the scope that shows input has a negative scale, of which is reading 13kw, so the sim  doesnt really show fault in producing ou as it isnt there in the circuit.  I have one that is 11w in and 15kw out, havnt found any fault in it and it worked as imagined for the outcome. =]

Mags
Hey Tek
If you notice, the scope that shows input has a negative scale, of which is reading 13kw, so the sim  doesnt really show fault in producing ou as it isnt there in the circuit.  I have one that is 11w in and 15kw out, havnt found any fault in it and it worked as imagined for the outcome. =]

Mags

Not to diss.... please show me so can learn...
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on December 12, 2010, 08:00:53 AM
Teets!    CRON?

Is that where you use iron wire as a core and it is also the secondary coil?

I had the pat from 1907 last night and I lost it, no history, cant find.  I remember it was called a converter  as they did back then and the pat is from Philadelphia pa.

It had shown , like I saw in a tesla pat, a coil of wire(iron) with copper coil around it like a toroid, and it had shown other examples.

Mags

Mags, There is a neat little prog called ZTREE, I use it all the time. it is a file handler, the best thing since sliced bread! Configured and used correctly , it is very powerful. Can FIND ,manipulate and organize ANY FILE. It can even be used outside of the operating system (using Ultimate Boot CD) IF IT IS ON YOUR DRIVE and you know kind of what you are looking for ....DOS feel.. ZTREE.COM(PC&MAC and others if used with U-boot cd.) ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 13, 2010, 05:47:22 AM
Tek

Here is a sim of 12w in to 1kw out using Teslas Igniter pat circuit.  Its source is 2.5v

I will be trying to achieve this using the trisil as the switch.  The key will be to have the inductor on the source to flywheel enough to load the cap to the break over voltage of the trisil.   So the trisil will only stay on for a very short period, so it will depend on the inductor as to if that time is enough to get it going to load the cap to the break over voltage.
Just trying to eliminate the switch.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 13, 2010, 07:35:54 AM
Something that needs to be said about the sims.  This one in particular, where it is either the igniter or ozone circuit, they are the same. Being that there is some hype as to the ozone pat being capable of OU, and also the igniter, but maybe less recognized as so, it is very peculiar that I can produce OU in the sim with this circuit. And quite a good amount of it, not just a smiggin or a sprinkle, we are talking about 100 times out vs in.  Margin of error?    ;]

The more I mess with the sim and this setup, I am feeling more in tune with what is going on, and what needs to be adjusted next to better the output.   Im finding it very hard to believe that the sim is so far off.

Im going to write Falstad to see if he can maybe help us with this, as he may be able to tell us if it is an anomaly that cannot equal real life.  Or maybe if he finds it interesting enough, to develop the program a bit further, as in defining air core vs iron or even ferrites. Sidacs Trisils. Motors and bifilars.    Things that we might want that is not in the sim lib.
Dunno, just thinking.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tenbatsu on December 13, 2010, 07:40:27 AM
Mags,

Have you tried to reproduce this test in another sim program?

If you are able to reproduce this effect in more than one sim it would greatly help to corroborate your theory.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 13, 2010, 07:52:20 AM
Hey Ten

Will do.  I suppose there is Spice, and, any suggestions?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on December 13, 2010, 10:04:42 AM
You guys are kiding, right? did you hear ever, about middle value of current?? voltage and power?? how it is calculate? there is not need another simulation to know there is no OU. And even whats more, you forget to simulate ohmic resistance of primary windings.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 13, 2010, 01:36:08 PM
hmm   Iwd

Kidding?  no

Do we not want a primary of very low ohms?   I will add the tiny resistance for you, but will you be satisfied?   Bah,  why do you read this thread?  Why read this site?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on December 13, 2010, 03:14:36 PM
Resistivity of primary windings is only another small mistake what I see.

Main problem which I was want to warn, is that you calculate with spikes not with real power ..the middle value. And you want to solve it as big thing.(maybe falstad will explain it to you better than me, but point is same.)
And I just want to save you time. That is one of many reasons why I am reading and posting on this forum. Because right now, nobody else is doing it in this thread.
The one of biggest weapon of man kind, is ability of re-giving knowledge, by many ways.
If we do not do that, then we are on same level like animals.
Because everybody who want to research something, can start from point where somebody else finished. If the inventor leave his knowledge for himself, then anybody else must start from begining, and then is almost no progres forward.(like we can see it in previous century)
Of course there must be same technical language for transfer knowledge, or inventors will do not understand with each other.(Like we can see it in many threads.)
For that reason, is there a classical doctrine about electricity. Anybody can learn the basic, you do not need learn complex pattern to undesstand. Just basic, so you can describe something and anybody else will know what you talking about.

There is many people on forum which is able to share his discoveries, and you Mags, are one of them. You can see threads where people have at least little propriety.... so they show up what actualy doing, and these people are inspiring hunderts of folowers and researchers and people are really encouraged to do something.
Of course, If you will soooooooo proud on you discoveries like Tito, then there is just few people whicih is doing something, and rigth now, it is just you Mags, so...answer for you question is...I am here because you.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on December 13, 2010, 07:13:28 PM
Hey IWD

I appreciate what you said. =]

I just believe that this needs to be investigated. I cant let it go stone unturned.  Im working on this a bit more in the sim to get most all parts for build as close to what is available.

I see that they are peaks. I see that if we had a large chart, that the 12w(at peak of ramp, not full cycle) vs the out peak, I think things will become more realistic to you.  Like the input ramp, average that from 0 to 12, thats 6 w continuous.
1k peaks, I find it hard to believe that even the spaces in between the out spikes, at 6w continuous, can equal over that period of time, the spike energy as a whole.

Lets say all in all, from 6w in, that from the spikes, we can generate 12w continuous, would that sound more reasonable?
8w out?   6.23995w out?

Now take the sim code above and get the pri and sec resonating!  hmmm  will that fill those gaps?

Have a bit of faith   Some here have it and some dont.    But no stone unturned.  k   =]

And I can use all the help I can get or even fresh ideas to try.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on December 14, 2010, 02:30:02 PM

I see that they are peaks.

Actually that is what I had seen. Spikes going off the scope even at 5vdc and 10x setting and now way to pan up or down enough. lol

I am so glad you tried that. Can you post an image?
I never used a sim.
Don't even know how they work. lol
Only a build and my scope. I saw spikes.

So listen to this.

The ozone patent could have pulsed 5 primary working circuits, and at the ohmage each was at, they would have all felt the damped pulse just as hard. lol

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: CodeWebs on December 14, 2010, 06:58:33 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this since all the boards got moved around.  I found this paper really thought provoking though: http://nema-uqd.info/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/On_the_Principles_of_Permissible_Overunity_EM_Power_Systems.21335329.pdf
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Thaelin on December 20, 2010, 06:16:22 PM
With all the sim work going on here, there is one part of
the puzzle that has never been addressed. Frequency harmonics.
Its a known fact that if you tamper with the Vars, they disappear
right in front of your eyes. What about the 3'rd harmonic or say
the 5th? These two create havoc hell in power systems if not
tended to.
The site on inductive heating shows a working coil of large size
and states it has "very high" circulating current. Tamper with that
and you put an extra load on the input. Would the harmonics do
that?  One way to find out I guess. Hmmm?

thay
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 02, 2011, 06:53:31 AM
Well, I found the need to get down to some basic Tesla. I think everyone should build a tesla coil once in their journey through the search for OU. It can teach you things through experience with it that you may never understand, and it also can get you to come up with some interesting questions along the way.

Like, what is the mechanism that determines the voltage across each winding primary vs secondary?  500v per turn, primary and secondary?  Why is that? What is the link that causes this equal volt per turn of the primary and secondary? How are the windings individualized amongst one another in that they seen to all find harmony at the same voltage per turn?  questions, questions.

I am posting some pics of what I have tinkered with lately, showing some things that I have seen but not yet able to do until I built the mini TC. The secondary is 6in tall, about 200 turns of 30awg  radioshack mag wire, and the primary is 2 turns of copper tubing, about 18awg. Discharge caps are Radioshack also, along with the 1kv diodes(2 in series in each leg, and the blue caps are 1kv 560pf in series with the mini neon transformer to limit how much gets to the discharge caps over time as it keeps the neon board happy and cool.

I tried a couple different low no. of turn primaries, even 1 turn, which consists of a piece of 2in copper pipe with  a slot cut in it. Worked pretty good considering the mass of copper and 1 turn.  2 turns is the highest so far as it in itself, is equivalent to a bifi coil where each of the 2 adjacent turns are 50% of the total voltage potential difference from each other.  I thought that was cool.

Ok, I am going to post some pics, I dont know if I can get them all on tonight, but Ill do my best, and if not Ill get them up tomorrow.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on February 02, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
Good job!

Is the pvc a 1/2 inch?
Also could you post a schematic of the connections?

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 02, 2011, 06:56:21 PM
Hey Niev   Thanks  ;]

It is 1in pvc.

The light bulb on top is 1 turn aluminum tubing.  When I was lighting the other larger bulb, 4w 120v, using one wire from the secondary and my finger as the other connection, I found that it lit brighter on the end closer to the primary.

Gotta get back to work, lunch is over. =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 02, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
Mags
WOW!!
Buddy you have skills [guess thats why you make the "Big Bucks":}
Thought you'd like to see this,
User Darkspeed
from here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=534.msg10316;topicseen#msg10316

Quote:
I started doing more experiments into the operation of a looped tesla transformer.
Imagine a conventional tesla coil where a unit of energy moves up and down the height of the coil like a bouncing ball.
Now bend that coil into a circle so the two ends meet and there is no longer a end to reflect that packet of energy, it is allowed to travel a complete circle.
I built a number of these but while they did function as a amazing display of sparks they would not spin a compass.
My biggest mistake was in thinking they needed to be high frequency, i was leaking power everywhere.
So I needed to slow down the transit time ( RF )
In a conventional tesla transformer this is done with a top load capacity or the addition of a ground at the base.
But this was a loop with a given wire length, so the next obvious choice was adding inductance.
Soft iron wire is a good choice for adding the required inductance to slow down the transit time.
I took a short, wide pvc former and wrapped it with a number of turns of soft iron wire in a single layer fashion.
The number of turns and the proximity to the tesla secondary allowed me to adjust the inductance.
It is a delicate balance between too little inductance and building a heater.
Two interesting things happened.
First I was able to bring the frequency down to a point that I was no longer wasting energy in transmission or discharges, so the packet of energy on its return trip was additive to the next impulse from the tesla primary. Delicate precise pulses adding over a period of time from a low power source.
Great levels of energy can be achieved this way before breakdown occurs.
The second was that i was now moving a magnetic node and antinode around the loop of soft iron wire in relationship to the node and antinode in the tesla secondary. A compass is useful in viewing this up to a point.
Laying a single loop of multi strand wire on top of the soft iron wire inside the tesla secondary produced some interesting results as well.
So for example if I was moving a induced magnetic field around in a circle at 6000 cycles per second and I put a wire in this path so as to drag this magnetic current down the length of this wire, it would be analogous of a generator passing a winding at 360,000 rpm. The result is very high voltage pulsed dc from a short low resistance wire.
----------------------
He's busy getting his bench back up to speed
After a move.

Chet

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 02, 2011, 07:34:43 PM
Hey Bud

I relied to the ebike thread, maybe didnt see.  ;]

Very cool stuff.  Ill check out the site tonight. Any pic over there?

Back later  ;]

and its good to be back in action.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 02:35:14 AM
Hi everyone, hope everyone is fine and cong hei fat soy  ;D

I just discovered something which is very natural and no need to use pump.

i will put some attachment on how can we make water freely flow without using any pump. What we only need to do is the starting point ok .

THE POINT IS WE CAN CONVERT THE TECHNOLOGY INTO ELECTRICITY!

Here they are:

The siphoning Technology

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 02:47:41 AM
Teets!    cong hei fat soy to you also!  ;]

Hows tings?

The problem with the idea you posted is that the water on the lower has to be brought back up to the source container.

A wick system?  Can we raise the lower water to the top container and use less energy squeezing it out at the top than what the water produced flowing down?   hmm.

Good to see ya around.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 03:03:42 AM
Teets!    cong hei fat soy to you also!  ;]

Hows tings?

The problem with the idea you posted is that the water on the lower has to be brought back up to the source container.

A wick system?  Can we raise the lower water to the top container and use less energy squeezing it out at the top than what the water produced flowing down?   hmm.

Good to see ya around.  =]

Mags

no mags

THINK BIG

It is the nature that will sustain itself, we only need some part of it, all we need is a falling action or a momentum action buddy,  it will work contineously forever ;)

in continuation with that, i also rediscover that electricity has also sucking and pushing ability wherein it is what we need to make it work contineously.

And this really is a free energy!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 03, 2011, 03:05:46 AM

Teetsla the Plumber!
-> ;D<-
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 03:09:43 AM
Ohhh   The second blue diagram with the larger width pipe above the upper bucket, does it contain more weight in water than the thinner vertical pipe?   And that is the part that brings he water back to the top?  =]

Magsy
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on February 03, 2011, 03:11:28 AM
Thank you @magluvin!

Those 25khz, are they from an ac source or a dc circuit?

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 03:16:44 AM
Sorry Niev,  that was suppose to be 50khz, well close. The sim will only go to 25k and I forgot to mention that earlier.

It is a small neon transformer from a document scanner like in printers n such. Some older ones run 24v, but most I have are 12v.

Niev  did you read my last post?  I think Teets is giving today. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 03:20:05 AM
Ohhh   The second blue diagram with the larger width pipe above the upper bucket, does it contain more weight in water than the thinner vertical pipe?   And that is the part that brings he water back to the top?  =]

Magsy

;)    :D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 03:28:24 AM
Thats sweet Teets!   Fer real?  Are you sayin to go to walmat right now(24hr) and get me some hose, buckets and a small bucket?   =]    Teeeeets.  Honestly, I dont even have to, I get it.  And I can see the buckets have to have open tops so the up doesnt interfere with the down.  Sick!   Sick means good great awesome!

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 03:31:54 AM
lol  Try and do the up part with the chain.    Teeets!  lol  I tell ya, even if it dont work, I still love it.  Its just silly!

Teeeets , to have made the elite class!

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 03:41:19 AM
I see it.  Ya have to have the vapor lock to get the effect of heavy weight in the chamber above the upper bucket, and that can be more than the weight of the water in the pipe coming from the lower bucket. Amazing..

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 03:42:28 AM
lol  Try and do the up part with the chain.    Teeets!  lol  I tell ya, even if it dont work, I still love it.  Its just silly!

Teeeets , to have made the elite class!

Mags

;D lol
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on February 03, 2011, 03:43:29 AM
Sorry Niev,  that was suppose to be 50khz, well close. The sim will only go to 25k and I forgot to mention that earlier.

It is a small neon transformer from a document scanner like in printers n such. Some older ones run 24v, but most I have are 12v.

Niev  did you read my last post?  I think Teets is giving today. ;]

Mags

I lost faith on the water electricity after the profesor that claimed that he could make high voltage using water drops. I lost the link to the thread, but he made a youtube video showing an led or a bulb lighting as the water drop passed through a funnel. I cant remember the details exactly.

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 04:04:42 AM
Niev   Try something when you can. very simple.  Fill your kitchen sink with water, and take a glass and submerge it till all the air is out of it and raise the glass slowly out of the water upside down.  Now feel the weight of the glass as it comes higher out of the water. Now imagine a thin hose to a bucket on the floor that has water in it, and now instead of a glass, use a 1 gallon bucket with the hos attached. Is the weight of the upside down bucket more than the weight of the water in the hose to the floor?   Heck yeah it is. Infact you need to get that water out of the sink and into the bucket before it runs out or you will lose vapor lock.

try it, the glass trick, and feel the power.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on February 03, 2011, 06:37:24 AM
I lost faith on the water electricity after the profesor that claimed that he could make high voltage using water drops. I lost the link to the thread, but he made a youtube video showing an led or a bulb lighting as the water drop passed through a funnel. I cant remember the details exactly.

Jesus

Jesus is this the vid?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 06:57:34 AM
Simple but powerful is the best policy ok  8)

Amazing isn't it  ;D

happy swimming in the drum ;D lol

ps. i hope sir wattsup can Catchup. what a rhyme joke  ;D

i think i need some pride chicken and a catsup  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on February 03, 2011, 07:08:07 AM
Simple but powerful is the best policy ok  8)

Amazing isn't it  ;D

happy swimming in the drum ;D lol

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 07:11:43 AM
Hey Teets
Now I am beginning to understand the dipole.  I am trying to translate the water idea to electronic.
Not that the water idea isnt good enough, but try it to power a car or cell phone on the go. ;]

Im going to try the water tomorrow.    I figure the lower water level just needs to be equal or lower than the upper water level to prove the point.  Heck, it could be used to water fields horizontally from a source a great distance.  How old is this idea?

Great show teets.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 07:19:26 AM

ooooh well not bad buddy  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 07:20:16 AM
Tech     have you seen the water idea?   It is a way to get water up hill without pumps, without power, as long as there is water below and the vapor lock is not broken, we have literal antigravity and the water wil pump itself up 24/7.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 07:23:11 AM
Hey Teets
Now I am beginning to understand the dipole.  I am trying to translate the water idea to electronic.
Not that the water idea isnt good enough, but try it to power a car or cell phone on the go. ;]

Im going to try the water tomorrow.    I figure the lower water level just needs to be equal or lower than the upper water level to prove the point.  Heck, it could be used to water fields horizontally from a source a great distance.  How old is this idea?

Great show teets.

Mags

That's my buddy !  ;D

take care!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on February 03, 2011, 07:24:46 AM
Tech     have you seen the water idea?   It is a way to get water up hill without pumps, without power, as long as there is water below and the vapor lock is not broken, we have literal antigravity and the water wil pump itself up 24/7.  =]

Mags

I believe you are referring to the water hammer or something?
I really don't know about that technology.
I do know that you can not, under vacuum draw water over 33 feet vertical in one single step though.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 07:32:39 AM
Teets, have you tried this yet?  Im imagining lets say the small bucket in the upper reservoir with a hose attached and loaded up, but the hose just goes to the same reservoir instead of a lower source reservior, which would make it an easier job and still prove the point, but I imagine upside down bucket and hose under water to load them up and out of air, and raise the bucket above reservoir level, im not seeing the water flow as I did before. Still gunna try, but now im not so sure.

Like I said, even if it dont work, I wont be mad. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 07:53:45 AM
Teets, have you tried this yet?  Im imagining lets say the small bucket in the upper reservoir with a hose attached and loaded up, but the hose just goes to the same reservoir instead of a lower source reservior, which would make it an easier job and still prove the point, but I imagine upside down bucket and hose under water to load them up and out of air, and raise the bucket above reservoir level, im not seeing the water flow as I did before. Still gunna try, but now im not so sure.

Like I said, even if it dont work, I wont be mad. ;]

Mags

Well, first of all i discover this when i am making a swimming in the drum.  ;D

and i find it working in my mind like tesla  ;D

To give you more effective design, well the hose in the source where its connected should be bigger and going smaller and smaller up to the size of the hose so that the weight of water in the source add up some pushing effect up ok. hope you get it, oh boy  i'm loosing my english!  ;D  lol
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 03, 2011, 08:42:06 AM
To make it work nicely we need a big water container at elevated place. It is a weight of water which makes the inertia, correct ?

The same sometimes happen when a big  barrel of beer has hole on bottom.  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 08:53:11 AM
To make it work nicely we need a big water container at elevated place. It is a weight of water which makes the inertia, correct ?

The same sometimes happen when a big  barrel of beer has hole on bottom.  ;D

correct buddy!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 03, 2011, 09:18:25 AM
i think using this technology we can make a man made Falls.

and from there we can make hydro electric plant right?

i want you to see this:

here is the secret to make it work:

THE CONTAINER SHOULD LOOK  A LITTLE LIKE AN IGLOO.

The plan is to make the water flow up above the container.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 03, 2011, 02:46:40 PM
HHMMmmmm...............
Well Teets,
I guess we'll all be playin with buckets and hoses today?

Chet
PS
Why like an Igloo?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on February 03, 2011, 04:34:52 PM
Sorry but the premise is wrong for that second blue design.

First of all, if you took that diagram with all bodies filled to where they are shown, the top small tank will empty into the top bottom tank and the suction will happen upwards for the bottom tank until you reach an equilibrium at which point any remaining water in the top small tank will just drop.

The video you showed of that guy with the water bottle means nothing and is only normal suction effect.

The analogy used of a glass submerged in water then lifted from the bottom up is not the same thing as your diagram. The glass has its bottom (now top) closed. Your diagram does not. Also work was done to lift the glass.

In general, you will never be able to get the water to keep in the position as shown in your diagram because water does not work that way at all. As you fill those lines they will just empty out into their tanks and overflow.

Nice try though.

wattsup
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Doug1 on February 03, 2011, 06:09:59 PM
Tito
I have never run into anyone who has ever known of anyone who could truely make anything out of nothing as if from thin air or empty space.
So far as I know you can only convert one thing to another thing. A large amount of power would require a large endless source of something you could convert over. The effiecency at which it is used will determine the rate it needs to be replenished. If losses can be reduced then only a fibble amount of something at a sustainable rate will be needed to keep the process working. The way the JT works is what you should be focussing on. Consider bimetal windings and a current carring core with a demensional circumfrence of a loop antanna set at 7.5 hrtz.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 03, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
Yahoo search   " 133px-SiphonStillWorksWithBigLeg.svg.png

Even the title above of the second blue diagram points it out that it will operate the same as the normal idea of siphon as shown in the first blue diagram.

I had not had a chance to try yet. will after work.    But I think that if we measured pressure per square in in the elevated cavity, lets say a wide cavity holding more volume vs a another elevated cavity of less width and volume, but at the same height, the pressure per square in should be the same at the top inlet hose that comes from the lower bucket, in both case. In your experience while swimming in the drum, =], you may have tried to elevated 2 different volume containers and felt that the larger was heavier, but that is only because of more square inches out of the surface of the reservoir.

Nice thought teets, but im doubting very hard now.  ;]  still not mad. =]

will test later today, but i believe I know what will happen.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 04, 2011, 03:27:06 AM
Well titos water works, well dont work.  Water levels want to level out, just as I began to realize last night when I came down from cloud 9.

I had never seen this particular water idea before. Took me by surprise. =0   But it was a lesson.

Ok back to the real world, to find the outer limits.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 04, 2011, 04:06:01 AM
Something I ran across in a pdf on the Adams motor, seems to lend to the idea that voltage itself has harmonics.

I read this and I dont know what to think. Never heard this before. Does anyone know of any other references to this?

Magmonics  =]
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on February 04, 2011, 05:00:21 PM
Niev   Try something when you can. very simple.  Fill your kitchen sink with water, and take a glass and submerge it till all the air is out of it and raise the glass slowly out of the water upside down.  Now feel the weight of the glass as it comes higher out of the water. Now imagine a thin hose to a bucket on the floor that has water in it, and now instead of a glass, use a 1 gallon bucket with the hos attached. Is the weight of the upside down bucket more than the weight of the water in the hose to the floor?   Heck yeah it is. Infact you need to get that water out of the sink and into the bucket before it runs out or you will lose vapor lock.

try it, the glass trick, and feel the power.  ;]

Mags

I will try it as soon as I can.

Jesus is this the vid?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A

Yes that is one of the videos.

Jesus

I saw the video you posted after this post and the guy there did prove that the energy is real and it seems that it restored my faith again back.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 04, 2011, 07:01:52 PM
Niev

Dont bother, it doesnt work as I later that night suspected.  Tito Trix   :'(

It was an exciting thought. It had my mind going on how to get the same effect electrically.  Distraction. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 04, 2011, 07:08:15 PM
Oh yeah

Watt's description was accurate.   What I realized while trying was, you can feel the weight of the water while suspending the inverted container, and that feeling of more weight gets ya to thinking wow, that would be a lot of pressure and be able to siphon  as tito inspired.  But in reality, the only place that weighted pressure is applied, was to my hands while holding it in place.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 04, 2011, 07:14:52 PM
Hey Teets

How bout a little bit of something real. just a peanut.   we just might get to 100k reads by the end of the week.

Just a popcorn seed.   you like seeds?  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 04, 2011, 07:17:56 PM
Mags
It's about the weight of ALL water in container. It makes pressure for any point inside water. This pressure is weakened when water level is falling.

That's I think about it. If ether is under pressure then any hole will make a siphon. Sustain hole and we have continuous flow of ether via siphon. But how to make this electrical siphon ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 05, 2011, 01:19:08 AM
Hey Forest

I even tried to have an air bubble at the to of the water filled inverted container, thinking possibly that the water weight would have a greater effect by decreasing the pressure of the bubble, but still, pounds per square inch beats all ways.

I tried the Trisils.  I dont know if Im doing anything wrong, but they dont work as suspected. The Sidacs seem to do very well and very predictable.  But they dont beat a spark gap.   So what device can we use to truly come close, or even better than a gap?   Searching for the silent solid state gap.  Unless the rotary switch is the way to go ultimately.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on February 05, 2011, 07:04:39 AM
I've always wanted to try this but haven't had time.
A boiler maker once told me that when they make large water tanks
they fill them with water to pressure test them. When it comes time to
drain them, if they forget to open the vent on top, the tank will crush
like a beer can. so I came up with this
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 05, 2011, 07:23:58 AM
Crush the tank.  Exactly.  Because thats where most all the pressure per square inch is on the surface of the tank.  But the top hose inlet, is lets say 1 inch, and thats all the pressure it gets.  So if you look at the surface of the tank, lets give it 2000 square inches, compared to the 1 inch inlet, the water in the siphon tube to the right will weigh enough to siphon from left to right, until the source is depleted or both water levels are equal.   I wished it worked, trust me.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 05, 2011, 01:10:50 PM
Tito
I have never run into anyone who has ever known of anyone who could truely make anything out of nothing as if from thin air or empty space.
So far as I know you can only convert one thing to another thing. A large amount of power would require a large endless source of something you could convert over. The effiecency at which it is used will determine the rate it needs to be replenished. If losses can be reduced then only a fibble amount of something at a sustainable rate will be needed to keep the process working. The way the JT works is what you should be focussing on. Consider bimetal windings and a current carring core with a demensional circumfrence of a loop antanna set at 7.5 hrtz.

Hi doug1 good day  ;D
I want to change your perspective and belief ok.
Believe that there is God, There is Jesus, believe that everything is created out of nothing READ THE HOLY BIBLE OK  ;)

Now!, We were created in his own image and likeness ok read GENESIS ok

Now!, For every problem there is always one sure way or solution ok, its only the state of your mind that makes something into impossible, now believe even you don't see it that everything is possible ok?  ;)  ;D

its always depends on the design  :)

We are in an open path, everything can be a source of energy, everything that is unbalance possesses an energy.

Remember a Triode?, the third added portion only needs a little power to control a huge amount of energy right?

And do you remember the yin and yang belief that it can control a huge amount of energy using a little energy ok.

Now, also why is the jt become reality? do you know that before it was discovered, it is impossible right?

We are now nearing and nearing  ok  ;D

NOW! NOW! NOW  ;D here is my last and closest clue to the water trick:

WATER ALSO AND ALWAYS SEEK AN EQUALITY OR BALANCE, THEREFORE THAT WE SHOULD ALWAYS PUT IN OUR MIND THAT WHEN THERE IS UNBALANCE MASS THEN THERE IS ALWAYS STRESS AND PRESSURE AND ENERGY SEEKING COMMON DENOMINATOR  ;D

The question should be how to use the whole weight of the water?, try the point of contact.  ::)   ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 05, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Hi everyone

BE STILL AND KNOW THAT JESUS IS GOD, IF EVERYTHING IS FAILED, NO WORRY JESUS IS OUR HOPE OK DON'T PANIC!  ;D

THERE IS NO DEATH IF YOU ARE IN JESUS, BELIEVE ME  :)

THE DEATH IN FLESH IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF ETERNAL LIFE.  :)

NOW! WANT TO KNOW JESUS MORE? HERE IS MY TIP TO ALL OF YOU TRY TO SEARCH CHARLES STANLEY, HE PREACHES THE REAL WAY TO JESUS, BELIEVE ME EVERYONE.

WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH? TRUST ME THAT'S THE WAY.

ALWAYS HUMBLE YOURSELVES TO THE LORD JESUS. HELL IS REAL.

JESUS WANT TO SAVE OUR SOUL, JUST REPENT AND HUMBLE YOUR SELVES TO HIM. LOVE YOU ALL BRO.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2011, 03:51:51 PM
Teets
Good you have found your salvation,also good you want others to experience this!

There are no boundarys to that power,but we seem to have some boundarys in the energy department?

Chaloopa is still waiting to wash your car,
Can you really run a refridgerator on a watch battery?
Or do you just "Think" you can?

Our water is all frozen here, so she can't do any washing till spring.
She's been dusting off stars to keep busy!

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2011, 07:50:57 PM
On say A triple A battery? That would be Nice!!
?
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 05, 2011, 08:07:03 PM
Hey

Give me home heater 30kW started from 9V battery and I would be happy  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 05, 2011, 08:11:18 PM
hmmm   well tito, I am a full believer in God and Jesus. And I think its cool of you to say what you said.

But for now, I dont have time to chase clues that dont make sense.  And whether you are what you say you are above, I think you are causing distraction.   You havnt posted here since the last time I posted.
I tried to show the peeps  my TC,  and ya jump in and run riddles on a completely off the wall ideas and the clues seem to be so far off that nobody here gets them.  Every once in a while you let someone know that they have something, but really we are left with a bunch of wasted time money and effort.   Im not mad or angry, but it is hard to be happy with what you are doing.  Really though,  what of what you have discovered has anyone here been able to accomplish from what you have told?
I dont know of anything so far.  So really all this time in this thread, do you really think you have helped anyone get something done?

Like the water idea. I saw something there that was an illusion and you supported my delusion. Dont you see that you were wrong in doing that?   I could have been doing more work with my coils n spark gaps.

Distraction!   Everyones att. was diverted with the lil water sham, except for those already in the know.  That not right teets  and it doesnt work.

I like some things about ya teets, but now, not all of it.

I have no problem with you preaching about God and Jesus, but as many promises that you have broken here, most will have doubts about your faith also, as it describes this type of insight in the bible.   Cry wolf once, cry wolf twice, cry wolf 3 times, then when you cry Jesus has come,  nobody will believe you.  get it?    Not a good mix.

Anyway, back to business. I will comment on your post from here on, but I cannot waste more experimental time on them.

You are welcome anytime, its your house. =]  And I will pray for you so that you may see what I am saying.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: neptune on February 05, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
On this planet , there are 2057 different religions . The followers of any one of these will tell you that theirs is the "only true religion" and unless you join you will burn in hell . Obviously 2056 of these are mistaken , and statistically this casts doubt on the 2057th case . Apart from oil ,religion is the most common cause of war on earth . So why would you be surprised or disappointed that I do not subscribe to your particular beliefs .
Many years ago , when I was driving trucks for a living , I gave a lift to an Irishman . He asked me if I was a Protestant or a Catholic . I answered truthfully that I was an Atheist . He replied , "Yes but is it the Protestant or the Catholic god that you don't believe in ? " The bottom line is , believe in whatever you want , but keep it to yourself . This is an Energy Forum .
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2011, 04:06:42 AM
Well said Mags!,your a good man .

Thanks

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 06, 2011, 04:43:26 AM
On this planet , there are 2057 different religions . The followers of any one of these will tell you that theirs is the "only true religion" and unless you join you will burn in hell . Obviously 2056 of these are mistaken , and statistically this casts doubt on the 2057th case . Apart from oil ,religion is the most common cause of war on earth . So why would you be surprised or disappointed that I do not subscribe to your particular beliefs .
Many years ago , when I was driving trucks for a living , I gave a lift to an Irishman . He asked me if I was a Protestant or a Catholic . I answered truthfully that I was an Atheist . He replied , "Yes but is it the Protestant or the Catholic god that you don't believe in ? " The bottom line is , believe in whatever you want , but keep it to yourself . This is an Energy Forum .

ohhh, i feel so sad, i was just trying to grab the opportunity because theres a lot of readers reading this thread, i thought it its the right moment to introduce JESUS cause before, i don't believe to God also but you know what? it is in his creation why why i become a believer, let me give you a simple example, if you study your eyes, there is a nerve connected going to the brain, do you think its a product of accident? and also it is your conscience that God is real.

no matter how many religion there is in this world, the dealing of the Lord to us is personal and it is in repentance and accepting Jesus is the real way to win salvation.

AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR ME, HE DIED FOR US  REMEMBER!  >:(

Your waisting all your time in this forum if you will disregard JESUS!.

i will not feel disappointed if you will not accept what i have said, i just done my part to share Jesus to all cause it is a sin of not doing good.

And to all:

Why punish your self starting from a very small source wherein there is already at least 9v battery available and this is the best source to start!
though  there is yes a solution starting from thin air.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 06, 2011, 04:56:58 AM
hmmm   well tito, I am a full believer in God and Jesus. And I think its cool of you to say what you said.

But for now, I dont have time to chase clues that dont make sense.  And whether you are what you say you are above, I think you are causing distraction.   You havnt posted here since the last time I posted.
I tried to show the peeps  my TC,  and ya jump in and run riddles on a completely off the wall ideas and the clues seem to be so far off that nobody here gets them.  Every once in a while you let someone know that they have something, but really we are left with a bunch of wasted time money and effort.   Im not mad or angry, but it is hard to be happy with what you are doing.  Really though,  what of what you have discovered has anyone here been able to accomplish from what you have told?
I dont know of anything so far.  So really all this time in this thread, do you really think you have helped anyone get something done?

Like the water idea. I saw something there that was an illusion and you supported my delusion. Dont you see that you were wrong in doing that?   I could have been doing more work with my coils n spark gaps.

Distraction!   Everyones att. was diverted with the lil water sham, except for those already in the know.  That not right teets  and it doesnt work.

I like some things about ya teets, but now, not all of it.

I have no problem with you preaching about God and Jesus, but as many promises that you have broken here, most will have doubts about your faith also, as it describes this type of insight in the bible.   Cry wolf once, cry wolf twice, cry wolf 3 times, then when you cry Jesus has come,  nobody will believe you.  get it?    Not a good mix.

Anyway, back to business. I will comment on your post from here on, but I cannot waste more experimental time on them.

You are welcome anytime, its your house. =]  And I will pray for you so that you may see what I am saying.  ;]

Mags

okay i'm sorry for distraction i made but what i post is not an illusion its truth, you didn't able to make it work, its not my problem at least i gave you the hint to start.

What i promised is that there is a sure way to free energy but i didn't promised give it in detail , promise changed because of some circumstances.

i'm sorry, you may now continue with your work. don't mind me anymore its ok.  :(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 06, 2011, 05:01:42 AM

HOW MANY VARIANTS OF EXPERIMENT DID YOU DO? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... ?

NOT ENOUGH!

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 06, 2011, 05:09:13 AM
ok
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 06, 2011, 06:01:33 AM
Teeter

Here is one more point to make about the water deal.  When I had claimed to understand it and then described what I thought was going on, why did you agree and congratulate me?
I tried what we were talking about, and 3 different versions other than what we discussed, when acctually what we discussed didnt even work, what am I suppose to think teets?

And lets say it like this. If you thought I had it, and were cool with it, why not tell me what I am doing wrong like a good fellow man.  How can anyone believe anything at all if it is only half baked?

If it is real, will you not help us to figure it out?  Hmmm?  Teeetsy?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: nievesoliveras on February 06, 2011, 01:45:34 PM
@magluvin

You are an excellent experimenter. It is just that you lack confidence on your ability.
That lack of confidence on your abilities is what @tito is playing with.

If you want a self running circuit. Use your electronics ability to send to the running battery a high voltage spike from a high voltage capacitor once a minute while the circuit is running.

That is fill the capacitor for a minute and release it for a moment.

The high voltage spike will be accepted without problem. Remember, it cannot be too long the time used by the spark. Just a sudden spark throuh a diode to the positive terminal.

Jesus
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Doug1 on February 06, 2011, 02:50:59 PM
Tito
God is not nothing nor are his/her/it's resources. Nothing is what ever does not exist in "any" form.
Even God follows conservitive laws to some extent.
Im sure God is enjoying your water in a can theory,wonder if God had some concern the oceans might drip away into space. Maybe thats why we have gravity.Which is inclussive to all everywhere and might be the can's problem.The can and the water are equally effected by the same conditions or restrictions. If it were workable you could just syphon all the water up hill to a lower air preasure if not for the fact that gravity trumps air preasure.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on February 06, 2011, 07:56:30 PM
I've always wanted to try this but haven't had time.
A boiler maker once told me that when they make large water tanks
they fill them with water to pressure test them. When it comes time to
drain them, if they forget to open the vent on top, the tank will crush
like a beer can. so I came up with this

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 06, 2011, 08:15:50 PM
Hey Pese

Thats the oldest one in the book. ;]  It looks as though the water on the left has more weight and would force water up the tube. Build it and you will quickly understand. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 06, 2011, 08:19:12 PM

WATER WORKS WORKS!

HOW MANY VARIANTS OF EXPERIMENT DID YOU DO? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... ?

IT TOOK ME 5 TIMES

in case anyone did not catch what Teets originally wrote then edited.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 07, 2011, 12:23:48 AM
:(  :( :( :(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 07, 2011, 12:34:57 AM
;D

Hi sir pese good day!

This (pict you showed) will not work because you are not getting the whole weight of the water ok.

what i had said is that: How can we use the whole weight of the water.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 12:35:21 AM
I know you want people to play your lil game. Its just not any fun teets. no fun.   :'(

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 07, 2011, 12:48:55 AM
I think i need some space,

lets cool off for a while ok darling?

;D

lets wait for someone who can solve the puzzle.

for the meantime i'll just make some swimming first.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 01:05:53 AM
If I were to ask all others to post here saying yes they are happy with what you have presented  or to post no, not happy with it, any of it, I would bet on no.
I dont think that many would bother to waist their breath on this, but my bet would be on the no's.

Lol now watch a bunch of yes's post.  lol  oh well    I cant stay focused on the electronics and play in the water teets.  I know that is what you want me to do, but I wont.  Not unless there is better info.
You want us to think about something that has been well over thought since time began, and all you can show is a siphon pic, and say work on that instead.  I think its funny. Im not going to do it

Magno
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 07, 2011, 01:12:27 AM
If I were to ask all others to post here saying yes they are happy with what you have presented  or to post no, not happy with it, any of it, I would bet on no.
I dont think that many would bother to waist their breath on this, but my bet would be on the no's.

Lol now watch a bunch of yes's post.  lol  oh well    I cant stay focused on the electronics and play in the water teets.  I know that is what you want me to do, but I wont.  Not unless there is better info.
You want us to think about something that has been well over thought since time began, and all you can show is a siphon pic, and say work on that instead.  I think its funny. Im not going to do it

Magno

ok, i will think first, cause if i will show it, they will get it right away.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 01:13:52 AM
I think i need some space,

lets cool off for a while ok darling?

;D

lets wait for someone who can solve the puzzle.

for the meantime i'll just make some swimming first.

Lets wait for someone to solve the puzzle.    See thats what sucks.  Nobody has solved any of your puzzles. none.  That is what you want, to present puzzles that cant be done.  Most will agree.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 01:35:59 AM
ok, i will think first, cause if i will show it, they will get it right away.

They will get it right away?   Why would you not want anyone to get it?   Thats what I have been saying here.  ;)    Think teets,  think!   Do you like how thing are going in this world?  Dont you think things could be better? For YOU and ME and THEY?  And we will still need the electronic versions for devices we dont want to charge. Cant fit all that water in a Hyundai. ;]

But if you plan on just dragging it out, we have to assume its not real. we have to.  :P

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 01:46:08 AM
Well u think about the new puzzle, I gotta wash clothes.  My washer is a Siphon T6000, and it charges my car while I wash.  lol   would be nice.
Ya know how it is when others open presents at christmas that you gave them, dont you think you would feel that good feeling?  I would. I have felt that, and its a nice feeling.  Tinlgly.

See ya in a lil while teets to see what you have come up with or not.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 07, 2011, 04:11:42 AM
Teets Is A meany,

And there is no way our Lord would want this to be about money!

NO WAY TEETS!!

On to whom much is given much is required!

Very simple TEETSLA!

No Puzzles no riddles !

EVIL TEETS can't win!!

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 05:34:18 AM
I had dreams of grandeur at one time. And really the one way to become a success and become wealthy from FE would be to have enough backing of serious people, but those that are powerful enough are not on our side. It would be doom to the idea and inventor.
And probably all tesla material is gov owned and they just intervene when someone shows that they got something going. Even if they never seen what you have come up with, they Will stake their claim on it and you.

After all I have read, open source is The way. Everyone can make their own, and those that cant will always know someone who could. Heck some may be ok with the power companies to use the idea and deliver super cheap power because it is so cheap cheap cheap. Most people like convention, and the system is in place.

But if it is easy and safe, there would be no stopping a good idea from getting around.

I would love to start an electric car conversion company. Thats how I would make money to take advantage of free energy. Conversions are way cheaper to do then buying a new electric, and with the conversion, you can have it your way?  And many would go for the conversions to their cars, due too they have more money to spend because due to no gas and power bills, cheaper food and commodities across the board.

Thing is, word of it would have to spread like a gang of bandits, it needs to get blown out there so fast, shutting down the internet wouldnt help them, you know They.  ;)

Anyway, I personally dont like the way the world is going, and maybe fe wont help at all.
I had never been interested in politics before. But the things that are going on are horrific and something needs to change. And definitely not the change Obama has been into.   And even though the gop got the house, things may not be what they seem, from our point of view.

Anyways  if I find something good, I will tell.  Maybe first in pms to many, here , yt , our,  make fliers and hand them out, bang bang  Unstoppable, what else, Heck get email addresses of all students of sciences and send it. Some will dig it.   I dunno
It might take teamwork.  It might just take a good post. ;]  Guests and spiders welcome.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 05:52:44 AM
Off topic

Teets or anyone,

I have a laptop, Alienware Area 51 M7700  Recently had problems with the clock and dates going a wander.  Then my hd drive wasnt booting.  So I changed the backup batt, 3v li and the clock set through bios is back.  The old cell read .170v when still in the board and jumped up to 2v when removed. It was far gone.

Im running xp pro, but the drive is not fully recognized. I have the original OS disk and all the driver disks.

I would like to be able to restore the drive but there is an issue with it I believe software wise.  She will load up and recognize the drive, show the windows screen with the blue wait buzzing across the bar, but by the time it gets to 1 and 3/4 passes, blue screen.  If I want to format and reload the os, she doesnt recognize the drive in xp setup.  It asks when the setup first starts, press f6 to load 3rd party raid drivers, but I sont have a floppy it asks for let alone the drive.  Is there any way around this?

Its a crappy problem I know.  Been working on it since last night.  I dont have a usb adapter that works with this hd to extract what is on it to another drive on my pc so I can reload anew.

Appreciate any help. Thanks.

Magslappopped
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 07, 2011, 09:05:27 AM
If you have an installation  CD with the same service pack then run from it and choose to repair system (not replace) , there is an option to press R to do this but it's a kind of tricky because this option is in somehow not clear place (to me) in installation menu - I always have problems to find it.
That would replace all system files with fresh ones from instalaltion CD.

Ooops, I missed that part you said that hdd drive is not visible to the installer.That's not good.Maybe some tool like fixmbr can help.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 07, 2011, 09:16:55 AM
Proposition of solving puzzle:

Take a water container with large amount of water in rather thin can to have big pressure on a hole in the bottom . In the hole mount a tube changing diameter from bigger to smaller . At the end of tube there should be very high pressure of waterjet. Make it work on turbine generating electric current and store in big capacitor or battery or allow to directly power efficient water pump with hose of much bigger diameter then the outlet from container. Of course there should be another container at the bottom to collect water.
Pump water from bottom container back to the top using this efficient pump.
Because outlet from upper container has short diameter water flow fast from it with high pressure but the amount of water depleted from container is small.

Tito ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on February 07, 2011, 02:56:20 PM
Hi sir pese good day!

This (pict you showed) will not work because you are not getting the whole weight of the water ok.

what i had said is that: How can we use the whole weight of the water.

This was only an JOKE
(i taked it from "overunity.de")

Also it was only for : "Nonsens"

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TinselKoala on February 07, 2011, 05:11:30 PM
Proposition of solving puzzle:

Take a water container with large amount of water in rather thin can to have big pressure on a hole in the bottom . In the hole mount a tube changing diameter from bigger to smaller . At the end of tube there should be very high pressure of waterjet. Make it work on turbine generating electric current and store in big capacitor or battery or allow to directly power efficient water pump with hose of much bigger diameter then the outlet from container. Of course there should be another container at the bottom to collect water.
Pump water from bottom container back to the top using this efficient pump.
Because outlet from upper container has short diameter water flow fast from it with high pressure but the amount of water depleted from container is small.

Tito ?
Water pressure due to gravity in an unsealed container depends.... guess what .... only on the depth of water at the measurement point. In other words, the size of the outlet tube doesn't matter as far as pressure is concerned. You will of course get more _flow rate_ at a given pressure from a larger diameter tube. Don't believe me? Then do some experiments for yourself.

This is a "gravity powered" system you are talking about. In other words, just like all gravity "powered" systems, you get out what you put in--- minus losses. Sure, use a "super efficient" pump to cycle the water back up to the top reservoir.... but no matter how clever you are in pumpmaking or stringing pipes, the falling water can only provide the same amount of energy as it took to get it up there in the first place by whatever method you choose.... minus losses.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 07, 2011, 07:09:19 PM
Thanks for trying Forest.
I finally found a forum that describes my problem to a T. But their solution isnt working for me yet.  I tried the fixmbr, chkdsk, and a multitude of other things.

It appears that there are a lot of others with the problem.  I tried Nlite which copies the OS disk to a folder then you can add drivers and it embeds them into the folder software. The problem is the disk wont auto run/boot, even if I remove the hard drive from the boot list.  Im at lunch.  Tonight I will try to load the folder to a usb ram drive as those are acceptable to boot from.

Thanks for trying though. I like ya forest, you are good people. ;]

I hope I can get this going so I can get to fiddling. =]

I have a larger neon transformer pack to try the AV plug, as I think it will charge much faster using 1 wire. I have to order larger caps.  I was going to get some a while back, but things got in the way of getting that done. I like what they are finding with the Kapanadze thread.  But the claim of radiation steps me back a bit.
Its funny, Tesla was involved with so much power zapping all around him, yet he lived a long life.  Hopefully we come up with something safe.

The water deal, cant say if we will ever know what teets is thinking. I really just dont want to go through a lot of trouble  for nothing, again.  We cant keep jumping around to ever new ideas and never finish anything.  So far, we would have a better chance at winning in Vegas for the weekend.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on February 07, 2011, 08:22:48 PM

I was trying to solve almost same problem with XP instalation, If Nlite does not help you, then you do not have much possibility left.
some laptos have in bios a settings where you can specify how system acces the hdd, as raid or classic IDE of course for xp you must select IDE or some emluation if is there this option.
Otherwise you can just install windows vista or windows 7 and then downgrading it to XP http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/vsta-dwngrd.html
(if you dont like windwos 7 or vista as I)

About electronic... I was already tried to charge cap from hv spikes form coil to value about 1500v and then discharge it to 12v source battery, of course I was playing with timing and with value of caps and manny other thing, as for example magneticaly quenched sparg gap, and also with diode.
I also tried cap charged to value about 500-600 volts and then discharge it to battery over mossfet with various timing independent to charging circuit. Also with another coil, and also with step-down transofrmer.
But no succes
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on February 07, 2011, 08:29:13 PM
[OffTopic]

Hi Magluvin,

Does the Hard drive show up in BIOS?

If it does try tapping F8 while the computer is booting to see if you can start in safe mode.

When my windows has PMS I use Slax(linux) a lightweight OS which I boot from a USB stick to access windows files. This will also mount the laptop hard drive if it is still accessible. Then you can dump important files to CD-ROM/USB stick before wiping.

http://www.slax.org/

If you can get access to a working system. It's very easy to install just unpack the tar file onto the usb stick run the bootinst.bat and it's good to go. Just make sure BIOS is set to boot from removable device on the laptop. It's a handy backup to have.

[/OffTopic]
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on February 07, 2011, 09:15:12 PM
@Magluvin

If you can't get into the hard disk via the windows dos prompt, then you will have to remove the hard disk, install it as a secondary hard drive in another computer, then check your hard disk C drive root directory for the file "ntldr" without an extension. If this file is missing, you will not be able to open windows. Just copy the ntldr from the working computer root directory to yours and this will fix the problem. It has happened to me before.

wattsup
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Doug1 on February 08, 2011, 12:33:26 AM
Mags
Personally I am in the middle of building a Inbert down draft gasifier with a 30 gal hopper big enough to take full size fire wood. It will produce hot water and hot air if i get the calcs right the fuel to run a forge and even a i.c.e. generator for 12+ hours per load of wood. I cant see spending every second and every extra penny on ideas that may or may not work.I can see saving 400 a month to reinvest into the lofty ideas once I have an alternative to the expenses of heat hot water and a portion of my electric bill. The money that would have gone toward feeding the utillity companies will be well spent against them at they'er loss rather then mine. This tactic is what is used against all of us by the governing bodies and utillity companies.Such a system is not practical for everyone but the stratigy to save your income for use as you see fit instead of to pay a premium for all your comforts will get you there.
Yea yea Ive been taking pics will doc it ect.. once it is done.When energy goes up 2or300% it will be a lot more attractive even to those who think it is not what they want now.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 08, 2011, 01:16:26 PM
Hey guys
I really appreciate all the help with the laptop problem. Didnt get a chance to mess with it yesterday. I have had a lack of sleep lately. Cant get to sleep til 3 n 4 am. Night before was past 5. Strange thing is, was waking up fresh. But last night, ate then slept.
I think maybe my Nero software didnt make the cd auto play. xp cd does auto play, so the machine is ok in that respect. If this nero dont work, I will try some of the ideas also.

I have a couple usb hd cases and 1 does fit the sata, the others are ide.  But the drive didnt work with it. It may be a special drive. I have had drives from particular machines that I wasnt able to use on other machines. For a good example, Xbox drives. No go.

One good thing is, others with this Alienware have had the identical prob.  So there is hope.  The one guy on the forum asked for help for a while, and had a lot of it. Once he finally got it, he didnt give the solution, never came back , and others inquired that they needed the solution. =[

Im persistent when it comes to these things, I will get it.

Thanks again  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 08, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
Doug
Very cool.  Does it require any alterations to the generator to accept the wood gas?
Its not really free, but it is an alternative to gas as prices climb.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Doug1 on February 08, 2011, 01:59:18 PM
The gas needs to be cooled down so it will consintrate and it needs to be scrubbed or cleaned through filtration before air is added to it for combustion. It is high in nitrogen so the filter process should be such that it will reduce that content as well before the ice.
The straight tube style in the simple gasifier looses the ventura effect of the Imbert which is why the simple version takes so long to reach the fuel cracking temps and waste reduction.An upside down double "V" tappered to work as a screen will work better and provide twice the surface area for heat dissapation at the base of the reaction zone.It also gives ya a area to reintroduce some of the gasses back into the last part of the burn if it is not being used for something ells.Still trying to decide if it should include some of the condinsate from the fuel in the hopper as it dries out from the heat surounding the hopper. It's a lot of extra work but it worked well at Sloss Furnace to crack water into HHO and send into the system as another extra fuel.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 09, 2011, 12:58:36 AM
Was thinking today of the water idea halfway presented by Tito.
Not on how it might work, but as to why he presented it.  Sorry teets, but this is the thought process that you have instilled.

I think that maybe it was a diversion.  From what?  That is what I was thinking about. ;]

What? My lil Tesla coil project?  hmmm. Na couldnt be.  Could it?

Was it my voltage doubler after the neon supply? hmm.  umm, was it the 2 turn primary? Na, dont think so.

Well, I do have something different than just a TC.   That was when a light went on in my mind.  ;D   Just a maybe.  ;)

Could that 1 turn at the top with the light bulb lit, could there be something there?

If the discharge caps get charged to a level that breaches the spark gap, then that energy that it took to charge the cap each time will always be the same, no matter what the load. So most likely measuring the input for changes when applying different or numerous loads, the input will always be the same.

Now, that lil 1 turn at the top.  In my setup, the secondary is open ended, meaning no connections at either end.  Yet that bulb lights when put anywhere on that secondary, just a bit brighter when closer to the primary.  So im going to do some tests in that area, to see what happens when I have multiple, what should we call them, Extra Coils, to see if adding more affects the others.  Titos past clues suggest that once things are setup, that the more coils the more energy out in total. Something like that.

I decided not to be deterred.  Im thinking the water works was a distraction.
He has switched the subject on me before, maybe from ideas I presented that come close to the real deal.  Dunno yet.  Its just what me thinks.  ;]

Another thing I was thinking about the setup is, what is going on with how the primary pulse travels the open ended secondary. Is it acting like a core of sorts? Can we tap off of it without affecting the other taps and get more power from the total?

I just got home and spit it out there to see what some may think on what I think here.

Just a hunch.  Maybe Titi has spilled some beans along the way and wants to clean them up before anyone sees.  Me thinks.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2011, 03:03:34 AM
I have to say Mags,His actions aren't very humanitarian,
Most Creepy actually!
Somehow his idea of what a Godly man would do with such
Knowledge has grown into a VERY questionable position!

Deceit /lying would be an appropriate venue for  such a man .
?
Chet
Ps

Excellent! Could be a good OU tool,as well as Safety.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 09, 2011, 03:12:07 AM
Hey Chets
Yeah  It sucks. I liked Teets. But it has gotten weird.

Yep, the detectors should be a tool of need for electrical, hho(atomic level shizzy), etc.

Im looking into it now.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: TEKTRON on February 10, 2011, 07:08:31 AM
(off topic)
Mags did u fix ur puter? I use Ultimate boot CD Bart PE. Works Great. Lots of tools and forum support.
This disk can boot any computer and lots of systems. DO NOT use the dos CHKDISK on any other system than XP or it will screw up the system. Good luck with it. John
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 10, 2011, 08:51:39 AM
aT the first glance you saw it was a great idea, you almost even praise me.

I taught its a great show mags.

and you also said you won't get mad

So you didn't solve the puzzle, then thinking that it is a diversion and distraction

ok

leave all my post and continue your brilliant works, no problem.  >:(

Now i think that's really you.

you like me but you don't like me that's weird  ;D

VERY FUNNY  ;D

ps: Fluid can raise a tons of weight! and weight can be transformed  8)

try to analyzed the water when you put some solid in the container.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: IWD on February 10, 2011, 03:37:17 PM
Dont worry man, now you can act like neglected genius, as is usual for people like you. You do not even able to recognize that you words dont have weigth, because you change your opinion several times.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 10, 2011, 05:44:47 PM
aT the first glance you saw it was a great idea, you almost even praise me.

I taught its a great show mags.

and you also said you won't get mad

So you didn't solve the puzzle, then thinking that it is a diversion and distraction

ok

leave all my post and continue your brilliant works, no problem.  >:(

Your right Tito   my works are not good enough for your thread. I will make my own thread.  I am not in competition with you. I was just trying to figure out this mess of a thread, but I cant.   So I will leave it for you.   8)   Now it will be just you and ALL of your friends you have made here.  ;)

Magluvins Oven
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 10, 2011, 08:27:43 PM
Well spoken Mags

Forestus Gump  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 02:26:57 AM
ok fine!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 11, 2011, 02:31:49 AM
ps: Fluid can raise a tons of weight! and weight can be transformed  8)

try to analyzed the water when you put some solid in the container.

Hi, Tito.
You want to rediscover here something that was alredy discovered long time ago. In eastern Europe kids study this in their elementary schools. It's called BUOYANCY and the governing principle is called ARCHIMEDES'S PRINCIPLE. Here you can find more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 03:10:54 AM
Hi, Tito.
You want to rediscover here something that was alredy discovered long time ago. In eastern Europe kids study this in their elementary schools. It's called BUOYANCY and the governing principle is called ARCHIMEDES'S PRINCIPLE. Here you can find more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy

WEll yes buoyancy but how to use that effectively is different story, anyway thanks  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 03:21:50 AM
Dont worry man, now you can act like neglected genius, as is usual for people like you. You do not even able to recognize that you words dont have weigth, because you change your opinion several times.

:-\ tsk, tsk ,tsk

frustrated attitude tsk,tsk,tsk,tsk
:-\

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 03:37:40 AM
hi everyone

THIS THREAD IS NOW OFFICIALLY CLOSED

BYE
;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2011, 03:55:21 AM

:P

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 04:12:17 AM

:P :P :P
:P  ;D  :P
:P :P :P
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2011, 04:19:58 AM
So How come you don't like Mags anymore?
He's like the best Guy we got!!

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 04:29:47 AM
So How come you don't like Mags anymore?
He's like the best Guy we got!!

Chet

he's got nothing!
;D

The problem in this world is laziness.

if you give something and if they didn't get it, they will get mad on you
and from there they want to get everything you have :D

and from now on i won't give any idea anymore, just keep it with my sons.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2011, 04:38:59 AM
I remember a guy called Tito ,he had nothing!

Someone helped him..... ,Then one day that all changed!

Tings can change!!

Chet

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 11, 2011, 04:39:51 AM
Hey Chet

Its not really a matter of who likes who. ;]

Im just tired of puzzles designed by people that dont know how to make puzzles.

Ever do a puzzle only to find that a piece or 2 are missing.  They are not in the box, not on the table and not on the floor.  The only place they are is at the puzzle company. And you can only get them from them.  Tito the puzzle company. But his puzzles are missing major sections, and some of the pieces have no picture, so they dont fit the picture anywhere.

And when you call the Tito Puzzle Co.  Some guy laughs at you and says you have to make them yourself and figure out what was the picture on that part cuz he aint gunna show you. Companies like that never last, friends either.

I havnt done a puzzle since I was a kid.  And Im not interested now.  this is a game to him. It has been for a long time. And what have we accomplished from it?  Hmm?
50,000 + pages of puzzles without a multitude of pieces and dwindling interest.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 11, 2011, 04:46:15 AM
he's got nothing!
;D

The problem in this world is laziness.

if you give something and if they didn't get it, they will get mad on you
and from there they want to get everything you have :D

and from now on i won't give any idea anymore, just keep it with my sons.

See chet   'Hes got nothing',    Thats his game.    Its so transparent what his intentions are.

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2011, 04:49:17 AM
Tito
Perhaps you show your boys the shortcut to Hell?

Teach them how to worship your real God.
Mammon

Wouldn't want to be in your shoes!
Fair thee well..................................

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 04:54:55 AM
See chet   'Hes got nothing',    Thats his game.    Its so transparent what his intentions are.

Mags

you know what if you solved at least one, i am very very happy but you didn't solved anything so i'm not happy.  :(

my intension is good, i always encourage everyone ok mags! but i don't give the complete detail and thats me!!!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 04:55:43 AM

CO'Z THATS!!!!!!! MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 04:56:16 AM

JUST DO WHAT YOU CAN DO OK!!!!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 11, 2011, 04:57:38 AM
You win
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 05:00:54 AM
Tito
Perhaps you show your boys the shortcut to Hell?

Teach them how to worship your real God.
Mammon

Wouldn't want to be in your shoes!
Fair thee well..................................

Chet

IF YOU DID NOT GIVE YOUR DESIGN TO A FRIEND, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR GOING TO HELL ,ITS JUST YOU CARE FOR THE FUTURE OF YOUR SON OK!  >:(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 05:01:56 AM
You win

SORRY MAGS  :(

BYE
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2011, 05:09:06 AM
HHMMMMmmmmmmmm.
The Lords word according to Tito

"IT IS MINE"

Don't remember anything like that in my Bible?
Your on the wrong side of the word Teets,
you've switched teams!

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 11, 2011, 05:21:21 AM
WEll yes buoyancy but how to use that effectively is different story, anyway thanks  :)
Sorry, Tito. The environment you are living in, is called UTOPIA. And there is only one guy who could help you there: Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 05:28:42 AM
HHMMMMmmmmmmmm.
The Lords word according to Tito

"IT IS MINE"

Don't remember anything like that in my Bible?
Your on the wrong side of the word Teets,
you've switched teams!

Chet

Your conclusion is wrong again chet, will i have to use 'it doesn't mean' again? mine is mine yours is yours its okay to me if you don't share it, i'm happy where you've come up ok. that's yours.  :)

i think it is you who is in wrong switch, you might electrocuted.  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 11, 2011, 05:32:38 AM
Sorry, Tito. The environment you are living in, is called UTOPIA. And there is only one guy who could help you there: Jesus Christ.

See! it is Jesus Christ that can save where ever i am. This life is just life so don't be so bother there is still a better one waiting. and everything there is free.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2011, 05:41:52 AM
Tito
Someday soon your secret will be worthless!

The way it should be!

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 11, 2011, 05:44:04 AM
Chets

We can assume he never had anything to begin with.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 11, 2011, 08:32:35 AM
Remember what I posted about water pressure on hole at the bottom of container. It may be that the missing puzzle is the floating piston above. Its weight will add to the pressure of water column and make more spin on generator turbine.Generator is powering the pump which recycles water back to upper container. The secon missing puzzle is how to build such piston which must be heavy and still floating on water surface.
Here is a tricky way  ;D

Make a piston empty with a hole on bottom and a valve, make additional tube through the piston not in contain with empty area inside but protruding directly to the bottom and second hole and second valve.
Valves need to be electrically or mechanically opened/closed.

I would try to draw schematic and explain how it works.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 11, 2011, 09:13:57 AM
Hmm..quite complicated but it may work.
A1,A2,A3 are electrical valves. B is a valve which allow only air to escape not water.
C is a  support released by electrical impulse.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: broli on February 11, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
Oh boy oh boy oh boy. How can a thread get this long with little to no progress. And ironically the ones who try to make progress get shot down.

Tito, people like you are dangerous on the Internet, you need serious psychological help because you have some serious disorder which you are only making worse with every post. Your attention seeking narcissistic personality disorder should be treated by a professional.

The bad thing about the Internet is that everyone can use it, people with some serious issues or a traumatic past get the chance to project their issues online in all kind of strange forms. It takes simple common sense to see this in this thread.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 11, 2011, 06:17:16 PM
Continuation...

1.Initial stage : piston is filled with water, all valves are closed ,upper container is filled with water from A3 up to C.
2. C is released and A3 is opened. Water flow by own gravity and piston weight pressure.
3. Water is flowing through A3 valve turning turbine which generate electric current powering water pump . Water is pumped above piston ; piston weight is bigger and bigger in time, water pressure is almost not changing (compare it to the gravity only when water pressure on valve depends on water level above)
4.When piston touches bottom of upper container A2 valve is opened and water from inside of the piston is escaping.Then A2 and A3 are closed and water flows through then hole across piston and fills the space below piston (which now empty) pressing piston up.

This schematic need a lot of improvements to convert most of valves to mechanical devices eliminating as much electric energy usage as possible.Anyway,it's just a theoretical schematic.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 12, 2011, 11:28:31 AM
Oh boy oh boy oh boy. How can a thread get this long with little to no progress. And ironically the ones who try to make progress get shot down.

Tito, people like you are dangerous on the Internet, you need serious psychological help because you have some serious disorder which you are only making worse with every post. Your attention seeking narcissistic personality disorder should be treated by a professional.

The bad thing about the Internet is that everyone can use it, people with some serious issues or a traumatic past get the chance to project their issues online in all kind of strange forms. It takes simple common sense to see this in this thread.

hi bro  ;D

The way i see your comment i think it is you who need psychological help.
you reading capability is not enough man! mags continue his work in other thread, is that ok now to you good reader?!

Yes! it takes simple common sense if sense is common to you brilliant reader!
i'm not seeking attention here, i just shared a little info! got it?, best reader?, huh!

You know what? a person can be know if he is intelligent or nothing, the way he talk and make his words if they are sensible or not!.

One more thing bro! You need to eat more BROCOLI for your eyesight. ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 12, 2011, 06:56:51 PM
Well thats a great Christian attitude you have there Tito. And it shows.  ;)

Have you ever considered that maybe it is YOUR grammar, or the way YOU convey your thoughts, and that this may be why most ANYBODY doesnt get what you are saying? HMMM?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on February 12, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
First of all my critique of the water tanks design was only a critique in the way it was shown in the drawings. I never tried to accuse anyone of trying to divert the thread, etc.

Guys, you should try and exercise some restraint in how and what you post because I feel you guys post on a whim of momentary inspiration. Think hard on what you are trying to say. There was no need to denigrate Tito for bringing up an idea. An idea is only that. An idea.

So here you go at my crack at the best possible method to work out his water tank system. First of all, I get paid big bucks to work out water problems. That is my profession.

The top tank has a second tank upside down with the top exiting into a laminar flow tube that is connected to three pipe, one is wider then the next but all have valves on them V1, V2 and V3. During tests only one of the valves will be used to find the right riser tube diameter and valve opening required to make the water loop.

On the top tank you have a bottom flexible tube (T4) that goes up then down to an low adjustment valve (V4). The flexible upcurve of T4 can be set at a variable height over the exit level to adjust for the maximum head available for emptying the top tank into the bottom tank via the V4 final adjustment.

With such a set-up you would be able to tinker with all the variables to find the best optimal setting to make the water flow upwards from the bottom tank, into the top tank and back down again.

Now, if it works or not is always up for debate, but at least with such a set-up, you have a pretty nice toy to play around with and LEARN. That's why we are here, RIGHT? We're not here to cut each other up into pieces. The world has already mastered that one.

wattsup
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 13, 2011, 12:36:55 AM
Now, if it works or not is always up for debate, but at least with such a set-up, you have a pretty nice toy to play around with and LEARN. That's why we are here, RIGHT? We're not here to cut each other up into pieces. The world has already mastered that one.

wattsup
You don't need to be an engineer to see this system will not work. If one doesn't see that, he (she) must start the basic education in an elementary school.
This system can work only if the bottom tank is hermetically closed, then heated up.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on February 13, 2011, 04:08:48 AM
You don't have to be an engineer to see this system will not work. If one doesn't see that, he (she) must start the basic education in an elementary school.
This system can work only if the bottom tank is hermetically closed, then heated up.

@Qwert

No need to get overly my man.

This is only a mind exercise. The only reason I went this far is because there is a small small window of opportunity in this design that could work if the right mix of top tank height, top inverse tank size and riser tube diameters are just right, this could produce an erratic but functional loop. It has to do with the suction developed in the inverted tank versus the head force available in the top tank that want to empty out into the bottom tank, where the inverted tank is set deep enough into the top tank to allow or create a generous but controlled suction. The top tank would have to be on a lift to vary its height versus the lower tank to obtain the right head range, otherwise regardless of the other variables, this would never have a chance of working. If anyone every tries this, make sure the top tank is adjustable in height compared to the bottom tank to find the right level. There will be a height that will move the flow in the direction of those arrows. If this does not work, it will be the closest you could get before thinking of adding anything else.

Of course don't expect it to turn a turbine generator or anything of that sort. But the mind exercise is rather enjoyable and a good change from the coil pulsing devices I usually do. I just wanted to give Tito's idea a fair shake and it was enjoyable.

wattsup
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: fritznien on February 13, 2011, 06:48:12 AM
@Qwert

No need to get overly my man.

This is only a mind exercise. The only reason I went this far is because there is a small small window of opportunity in this design that could work if the right mix of top tank height, top inverse tank size and riser tube diameters are just right, this could produce an erratic but functional loop. It has to do with the suction developed in the inverted tank versus the head force available in the top tank that want to empty out into the bottom tank, where the inverted tank is set deep enough into the top tank to allow or create a generous but controlled suction. The top tank would have to be on a lift to vary its height versus the lower tank to obtain the right head range, otherwise regardless of the other variables, this would never have a chance of working. If anyone every tries this, make sure the top tank is adjustable in height compared to the bottom tank to find the right level. There will be a height that will move the flow in the direction of those arrows. If this does not work, it will be the closest you could get before thinking of adding anything else.

Of course don't expect it to turn a turbine generator or anything of that sort. But the mind exercise is rather enjoyable and a good change from the coil pulsing devices I usually do. I just wanted to give Tito's idea a fair shake and it was enjoyable.

wattsup
the only way to get the fluid to flow into the top tank is to lower the fluid level in the top tank below the level of the bottom tank.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphon
the outlet is always below the inlet
diameter has nothing to do with it.
your mind exercise lacks basic information.
get yourself hoses buckets etc and try it out for your self.
fritznien
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 13, 2011, 07:24:07 AM
@ sir wattsup

I just want to give thanks to you sir for neutralizing everything here.  ;D

That's why I really admire you and respect you sir.  :)

and because of that i really deserve some punishment because of my behavior.

but don't worry sir i will not give anymore idea so that no one will quarrel me in this forum anymore ;D

thanks again sir  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 13, 2011, 08:56:29 AM

forget everything in a moment i just want all of you to know that

using SILVER WIRE will give us best result ;)

goodbye and i'll now going to hide  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 13, 2011, 04:12:22 PM
Tito
I really don't have a problem with You,I have a problem with who you say you are!

A "practicing Christian"

If you truly do have a device that can save lives[a soul],even just one life[one soul]!
And you choose to make money instead of saving the life [soul].
You are absolutely kidding your self...,and just because the ground hasn't opened up and swallowed you doesn;t make your position correct!
Don't preach gospel out of one side of your mouth and condemn to death, souls you could save out the other side of your mouth.
I'm sure you prayed for this ,back when you were searching?,now you got what you prayed for,A HUGE responsibility!
Life or death ,Saved or lost!

SOULS ....................
A tool to save millions!

Early missionaries saved countless souls with technology.

This could work the same way for you!
Or you could walk by fear !

Silver?
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 13, 2011, 04:57:59 PM

Luke 12:48
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 19, 2011, 08:12:19 PM

In this thread, the questions should be:

a) How to convert small kicks into big kicks, this is known already ok? now!

CAPACITOR, for example with Avramenko plug and grounded from one leg. BUT it is not as efficient as expected. Tito ,is there a better way to store many small kicks in capacitor ?
Also here is my question : we CAN have many various signals various frequencies  running down the single wire to Avramenko plug. Would it handle all at once ? I would rather try to find other method without using diode which is the weakest point here.

Quote

b) The second is How to convert one kick into multiple kicks  ???

Now! that is simple ok, if you can't get that!, I don't know to you!!!!@!@#@#\$#@

sample of one kick into multiple kicks :=> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hm3O3jRKW4&feature=related
i am sure that no one is prohibiting us to add many more disk ok?.

oh gussssssh this is ovious!  :o

THAT'S ALL ????! Are those two (a and b) sufficient to get OU ? I can see it but my faith is not so strong  :'( to build another not working crap

P.S. Could somebody draw for me how to get back-emf from single flyback with a diode back to battery ?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on February 19, 2011, 09:47:04 PM
When will you guys stop being fooled by the Tito. He talks out of his ass and reminds me of IST. He doesn't have anything and if he did he wouldn't share it anyways.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 20, 2011, 12:14:12 AM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 20, 2011, 12:25:33 AM
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on February 20, 2011, 12:32:44 AM
....

P.S. Could somebody draw for me how to get back-emf from single flyback with a diode back to battery ?

Hi forest,

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4419.msg97648#msg97648

http://www.energeticforum.com/inductive-resistor/4314-cop-17-heater-rosemary-ainslie.html#post56075

Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 20, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
I think we took the wrong way. May I propose the following new approach to find the solution ?

ONE QUESTION PER THREAD and very precise. Means that for this thread we need to find ENERGY AMPLIFICATION and we should propose EXPERIMENT after a while of theoretical discussion.
Experiment must be of obvious usability for ordinary usage , stated by a question related to the topic.

I propose:  I need to boil a 1 litre of water for a coffee/tea for my family using electric kettle.
How to get 2200W of usable electrical power during 4 minutes required to boil 1 litre of water using 12V 7Ah sealed lead acid battery and ENERGY AMPLIFICATION process , without depleting battery (small energy loss is allowed) ?

1. Propose technic of energy amplification.
2. Propose math for energy computation.
3. Propose circuit.

Let's begin serious work.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 21, 2011, 09:23:03 PM
Ok,time to compute something.

1. Technic of energy amplification to use : capacitor discharge.
Main problem : how to charge faster then discharge rate ?

2. Some crude math  ;D
2200W = 2200 J/s  (or 528000J per 4 minutes)

I assume 230V 50Hz current, that means 50 cycles or 100 impulses per second (one positive and one negative per cycle). It gives 22J per impulse. Huge.
To impulse the same using a capacitor  250V rated  we have to choose:
E=0.5*C*U^2 (energy in cap) -> C=2*(E/U^2)=2*(22J/250V^2)=704uF
Huge.Ugly.

But...what if we could rise rate of impulses to 22khz ? That means 22000 impulses per second.
2200J/22000=0.1J per impulse

C=2*(0.1J/250V^2)=3.2uF.

Still a lot but here I made assumption :
Energy in capacitors is the same if those (!)  capacitors are connected in series or in parallel.
Is that true ? I don't know, but it sounds good.

So we could take 4  1uF/400V capacitors and charge them in series, then discharge at parallel at rate >= 22khz.

In series those capacitors would form 0.25uF capacitor rated at 1600V.

From above I conclude that if we could charge 0.25uF capacitor to 1000V or above at the rate 220khz or more (500khz for example) then such amplification would be possible.

Questions :
How to charge those capacitors at the rate >220khz ?
What is better to discharge them ? A rotary spark gap at 1000V when connected in series or a mosfet at 250V when connected in  parallel ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 21, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
Some thoughts :
Discharging when connected in series using spark gap, I expect oscillation happen so the rate may be lowered many times IMHO. Also the output current may be safe cold electricity.The other problem is impedance : if output current would be of very high frequency oscillations then would electric kettle work with it ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 21, 2011, 09:59:28 PM
Continuation :

when discharging in parallel 3 mosfets are needed plus one for discharging process actually.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 22, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Hey Mr.mag Don't mind my ass it's mine! you mind yours that's yours!  :-\

see the picture below there is a more better solution to this.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 22, 2011, 01:17:48 PM
Hey Mr.mag Don't mind my ass it's mine! you mind yours that's yours!  :-\

see the picture below there is a more better solution to this.

Here is the question. Are those diodes required to charge capacitor from bemf ? Tesla didn't have diodes.Hmm... Bedini is using one diode only. Strange.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: pese on February 22, 2011, 01:48:38 PM
Continuation :

when discharging in parallel 3 mosfets are needed plus one for discharging process actually.

Ad the CD Polority for Input Voltages
them for each Capacitors that charge up
(give attention to charged polarity!)
If you close now the relais, you understand.
this give an BREAK-Sgoted Ciricuit without any output
Pese
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 22, 2011, 01:54:39 PM
Hey forest
Just here to help ya.   That drawing is the same as the Ossie motor also, which he claims is a runner and a charger.  I dont know what Titos better solution is. He always says he has one and will let you know it, except he wont let you know the solution. Just like the zener spark gap, will congratulate you only to tell you that he has a better way every time.  etc  etc

I found it tough to get 2 reeds to open and close together, considering rotor magnets are not always equal, so out of 4 mags 1 or 2 may not control the reeds exactly like the other 1 or 2.  It would be better to have a reed that contains 2 switches do they will switch on and off at the same time, in this circuit it is important.

Magning
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 22, 2011, 02:15:55 PM
Well Tito
This Guy lives in the Phillipines,and has something he claims will change our world,just like you he wants some mula [he's not a religious man]

Perhaps you or one of your helpers can get in touch with him?
He has been on the TV in the phillipines and claims the gov't will be testing his tech,
If you can find out more and share it here,maybe Chaloopa will take your picture off the Dart Board.

%\$@\$*
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 22, 2011, 04:48:12 PM
Tito

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9720.new#new
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 22, 2011, 06:24:50 PM
TITO
BATTER UP
[If you don't call him ,You know I will!=}

But you should !
It would be Good for your Image and Morale around here!

Chet
PS
OK a secret code for you to answer
Number >1< means yes ,I will call him
Number >2< means No ,I don't want to call him
Number >3< means what the heck you talkin about?

Just so you know ,This guy is in the Phillipines [could be your next door neighbor] and he's gonna steal your O U thunder.
Yep ,You should find out if he's got the goods?
God works in mysterious ways?
Let me know please 24 hrs [tomorrow 8 pm ,on Stefans forum clock]
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2011, 03:45:15 AM
Hey Teets,
While your deciding I crunched some Numbers for yah
Whats it been 730 days since you started braggin

HHHMMmmmmmmmmmmm the Math is 24,000.00
Children Starve to Death every day ,Never mind woman and Old folks ,Just Kids

Thats One Million Six Hundred eighty thousand Souls!
Since Tito started playing his I know something you don't know game!

I wonder how many would still be here If you shared your knowledge??

Buddy I'd be crappin in my pants about meeting the big man upstairs if I was you!
All those eyes staring back at you!!

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 06:32:39 AM
Hi everyone !  ;D

nice to see you again, i just showed the picture just to tell you that i currently made something much better than what i showed, so that what i'm expecting is that you will study that also, so that you will scrutinize that pict  ;D

Ismael aviso is my fellowmen yes! and i believe he also discovered the expanding technology.

@ramset
why should i call him. i know that already!  >:(  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 23, 2011, 06:39:26 AM
Hey Teets,
While your deciding I crunched some Numbers for yah
Whats it been 730 days since you started braggin

HHHMMmmmmmmmmmmm the Math is 24,000.00
Children Starve to Death every day ,Never mind woman and Old folks ,Just Kids

Thats One Million Six Hundred eighty thousand Souls!
Since Tito started playing his I know something you don't know game!

I wonder how many would still be here If you shared your knowledge??

Buddy I'd be crappin in my pants about meeting the big man upstairs if I was you!
All those eyes staring back at you!!
why is the "big man upstairs" letting 24,000 kids (never mind women and old folks) die every day? that doesn't sound like much of a "big man" at all... ::)

that being said, teetsla doesn't know jack squat. if i were you chet, i'd be more concerned about meeting your "big man upstairs" after wasting so much time doing something close to nothing but different than yesterday with teetsla!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 23, 2011, 07:48:59 AM
Tito

ferrite is needed or I can throw it out ? I mean , in falling dominoes ?  :D

one big hose into multiple tiny pipes or multiple short thick hoses each one having own tiny output pipe ?
in other words : does it matter how I use fingers if those are parts of my hand ?
1. Imagine each finger plays different tone on piano  but still this is one move of my hand
or
2. can I use my fist to press many piano keys at ones ?

now I think it is related with cold electricity as Dole shown us. With cold electricity you can light many bulbs and each bulb does not take energy for the other bulb near. Look at his last video.
Without that we could try and try and try and still first receiver eats all energy of transmiter and subsequent ones as barely powered.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 23, 2011, 07:53:33 AM
each piano tone should go to capacitor of course as lot as possible

but here is the main big pain in ass : without finding the correct timing it is a one key piano and others are not powerful, got it ?

I'm still searching for the method to get it into OU. Unstable.

P.S. you know that diode bridge is two Avramenko plugs ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 08:17:52 AM
.

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 08:21:30 AM
why is the "big man upstairs" letting 24,000 kids (never mind women and old folks) die every day? that doesn't sound like much of a "big man" at all... ::)

that being said, teetsla doesn't know jack squat. if i were you chet, i'd be more concerned about meeting your "big man upstairs" after wasting so much time doing something close to nothing but different than yesterday with teetsla!

So why are you doing that? i now feel afraid, ok i think i have to hide now
goodbye friends

They are driving me away

is there really big foot upstairs owh boy i'm really afraid are they giants?  ???  :o

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 08:43:27 AM
.
;D
.
ASTALAVISTA BABYSITTER
;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 08:53:16 AM
Well Tito
This Guy lives in the Phillipines,and has something he claims will change our world,just like you he wants some mula [he's not a religious man]

Perhaps you or one of your helpers can get in touch with him?
He has been on the TV in the phillipines and claims the gov't will be testing his tech,
If you can find out more and share it here,maybe Chaloopa will take your picture off the Dart Board.

%\$@\$*
Chet

HI chet

peace be with you darling, may you rest in peace. joke  ;D

:P
;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 08:55:51 AM
So why are you doing that? i now feel afraid, ok i think i have to hide now
goodbye friends

They are driving me away

is there really big foot upstairs owh boy i'm really afraid are they giants?  ???  :o

;D

ok don't worry i'm DAVID AND I'M GIANTKILLER  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 09:00:33 AM
HI everyone

seriously, i smell something about the game  ;)

so everyone benefit with the free energy learned here so whats the massive effect ? 8)

FYI, my one foot is bigger than the other one, therefore i'm also half bigfoot ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 09:13:07 AM
TITO
BATTER UP
[If you don't call him ,You know I will!=}

But you should !
It would be Good for your Image and Morale around here!

Chet
PS
OK a secret code for you to answer
Number >1< means yes ,I will call him
Number >2< means No ,I don't want to call him
Number >3< means what the heck you talkin about?

Just so you know ,This guy is in the Phillipines [could be your next door neighbor] and he's gonna steal your O U thunder.
Yep ,You should find out if he's got the goods?
God works in mysterious ways?
Let me know please 24 hrs [tomorrow 8 pm ,on Stefans forum clock]

i don't care if he can get it, and thats good. i have my own way don't panic ok  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 09:15:47 AM
is this a  game of death?  ;)

don't worry i'm always ready with my e-gun  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2011, 10:24:17 AM
Wilby
The death of innocents no doubt causes our creator great anguish ,Some seem to like playing games with the knowledge that could change that.

I recall another story of a man that tried to cash in on
Hubbard.
He left this world broken and miserable.
Perhaps just like the men that run this world ,The Men who could step over the starving bodies of children on their way to play a game of Golf,Tito will also have a wonderful life.
But he most definately isn't behaving the way a Godly Man
with this Knowledge would!

And I don't know how he sleeps at night ,or what he could possibly say when he prays to God?

But Wilby you are an athiest. atheists step over the bodies all the time on their way thru life ,unlike Tito who claims to be a born again christian !

End Of story
Luke 12 :48

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 10:36:28 AM
Wilby
The death of innocents no doubt causes our creator great anguish ,Some seem to like playing games with the knowledge that could change that.

I recall another story of a man that tried to cash in on
Hubbard.
He left this world broken and miserable.
Perhaps just like the men that run this world ,The Men who could step over the starving bodies of children on their way to play a game of Golf,Tito will also have a wonderful life.
But he most definately isn't behaving the way a Godly Man
with this Knowledge would!

And I don't know how he sleeps at night ,or what he could possibly say when he prays to God?

But Wilby you are an athiest. atheists step over the bodies all the time on their way thru life ,unlike Tito who claims to be a born again christian !

End Of story
Luke 12 :48

Chet

Sorry bud, you're one of the bigfoot upstairs, and i think you're the youngest.  ;D

you tell challopa that i'm a good chef , i eat dogs ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 23, 2011, 10:42:21 AM
Wilby
The death of innocents no doubt causes our creator great anguish ,Some seem to like playing games with the knowledge that could change that.
is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
then he is not omnipotent...

is he able, but not willing?
then he is malevolent...

is he both able and willing?
then whence cometh evil?

is he neither able nor willing?
then why call him god?
- epicurus

end of story.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2011, 10:48:26 AM
Proverbs 26:11

-----------------
Btw Tito, I do work for the man upstairs,
I build furniture for Handicapped children!

Have a good life Tito [and I mean that]
I hope someday ,just like myself ,you finally "get it".

ChetKremens@gmail.com
PS
I also pray that Wilby gets it too someday!
{Ha!, wouldn't that be Grand !>}
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 23, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Proverbs 26:11
;D yes, i know chet... this is the way you live (returning to your vomit with your repeated references to your imaginary friends...). did chaloopa teach you that or is it just innate in everyone with blind faith in the holy babble?

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2011, 10:56:34 AM
But Wilby ,your one of My imaginary Freinds?

I gotta go back to sleep,alot to do later!

The Kids need me!!
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 10:58:14 AM
is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
then he is not omnipotent...

is he able, but not willing?
then he is malevolent...

is he both able and willing?
then whence cometh evil?

is he neither able nor willing?
then why call him god?
- epicurus

end of story.

hey willbronchitis  ;D

Don't you know that God set a sure appointed Time for everything?

His way of thinking is not the way you think, your nothing if compared ok!

He is God because you're human, his master piece!

start of story ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 23, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
hey willbronchitis  ;D

Don't you know that God set a sure appointed Time for everything?

His way of thinking is not the way you think, your nothing if compared ok!

He is God because you're human, his master piece!
i've read the bible numerous times. great piece of sordid literature (and i use the word loosely), lots of violence, intercourse (of all sorts), political intrigue, etc. it's a good science fiction book, but certainly not proof of some imaginary shepherd entity... ::)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 23, 2011, 11:13:58 AM
i've read the bible numerous times. great piece of sordid literature (and i use the word loosely), lots of violence, intercourse (of all sorts), political intrigue, etc. it's a good science fiction book, but certainly not proof of some imaginary shepherd entity... ::)

oh how pity you are bro. you missed the time when God showed up his love, He loves you very much He gave his only begotten son just to give you hope
If you only knew he was suffered very much just for you then you're saying that! God is crying for what you are saying bro. repent! ask for forgiveness accept Jesus and you will have eternal life. try to watch charles stanley's preaching so that you will grow.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 23, 2011, 11:17:32 AM
oh how pity you are bro. you missed the time when God showed up his love, He loves you very much He gave his only begotten son just to give you hope
If you only knew he was suffered very much just for you then you're saying that! God is crying for what you are saying bro. repent! ask for forgiveness accept Jesus and you will have eternal life. try to watch charles stanley's preaching so that you will grow.
let him cry... and then he can eat cake. he is omnipotent is he not?
repent? for what? LOL ::)
ask for forgiveness? for what? LMFAO ::)
does charles stanley's preaching include material evidence or a logical proof of this imaginary friend of yours/his? if it doesn't i think i'll pass, i have heard the party line before, not buying it.

but no worries bro... i was baptized and have partaken of the zombie jesus flesh and blood. it's all good. ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: gyulasun on February 23, 2011, 11:41:50 AM
.
ASTALAVISTA BABYSITTER
;D

Hey Tito L. Oracion,

I noticed you deleted your post here and I wonder why you did so?

What is so secret about what you wrote?

If I recall from memory your text, it was: you start out from a 12V battery and charge up say 10 capacitors in parallel, then you discharge the 10 capacitors  in series.  And you wrote the effect is a 'surprise' or something similar.

So you probably discharge the series caps into a Tesla coil primary and utilize somehow the 'amplified' energy from the secondary coil, right?

Now that you first wrote the above in bold, then deleted it, its is no use denying?

rgds,
Gyula
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 23, 2011, 02:12:54 PM
Despite that's not addressed to me...
Tracing Tito's posts included in many different threads, there is high probability that an open minded guy with proper knowledge, can be successful in pursuing his concept. I believe, Tito himself is not aware what kind of information he already managed to share.
It's my observation that many guys in this forum are not successful only because they don't look into (not only Tito's) back posts. But I am aware that all those who experiment, are just too busy to do that in this huge forum resources.
So, I offer my hand in that, if somebody is in such need.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2011, 02:31:40 PM
Tito

charles stanley's

A question?What do you think Mr.Stanleys would say
If I asked him this question?

Sir
I have discovered a way to power water treatment facilities
supply power to hospitals ,Heat homes ,and power  irrigation /refridgeration units in remote locations.
Also to run green houses to grow food 24/7

What do you think I should do as a true Christian Mr. Stanely?

Tell yah what Teets
Give me his Number I'll ask him for you!
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 23, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
That seems to be the efficient source usage !

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 23, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
Tito

charles stanley's

A question?What do you think Mr.Stanleys would say
If I asked him this question?

Sir
I have discovered a way to power water treatment facilities
supply power to hospitals ,Heat homes ,and power  irrigation /refridgeration units in remote locations.
Also to run green houses to grow food 24/7

What do you think I should do as a true Christian Mr. Stanely?

Tell yah what Teets
Give me his Number I'll ask him for you!
Chetkremens@gmail.com

but they are not really true christians... charles stanley teaches the heresy of modality!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2011, 12:57:44 AM
Thanks Wilby,

I've seen this man on TV [My wife likes him]!
Reading thru the Link you posted,I think Teetsla better get another religion.
Only because he's gonna get yelled at By this Pastor!

Teetsla's interpretation of his position as a "Christian".

Do you think I'm being unrealistic here,Should a man that practices Christianity[modality aside] turn his back like this on so many?

I may regret asking you this but you are a very wise man reguardless of your beliefs.

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 24, 2011, 02:08:35 AM
Thanks Wilby,

I've seen this man on TV [My wife likes him]!
Reading thru the Link you posted,I think Teetsla better get another religion.
Only because he's gonna get yelled at By this Pastor!

Teetsla's interpretation of his position as a "Christian".

Do you think I'm being unrealistic here,Should a man that practices Christianity[modality aside] turn his back like this on so many?

I may regret asking you this but you are a very wise man reguardless of your beliefs.

Chet
i don't think you are being unrealistic in this situation at all. teets claims to be christian but his actions identify him as a hypocrite or a poseur with zero integrity...

some quotes from teet's book of dogma:
"do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves." (philippians 2:3)

"for we are his workmanship, created in christ jesus for good works, which god prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."  (ephesians 2:10)

"in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, dignified, sound in speech which is beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be put to shame, having nothing bad to say about us." (titus 2:7-8)

i could post many more, but i think those clearly demonstrate your point.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2011, 02:41:21 AM
Wilby
Thanks for helping to shed more light on the Fallacy of Teetsla's position!

So he is an Absolute Hypocrite,in need of repentence before His lord and savior!
And I don't Know if his Brother is also a Christian [the one who tells Teets not to share}
But he's looking Dicey too!

Teets, You Prayed for it, you got it,now you have to decide!
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 08:40:31 AM
Hey Tito L. Oracion,

I noticed you deleted your post here and I wonder why you did so?

What is so secret about what you wrote?

If I recall from memory your text, it was: you start out from a 12V battery and charge up say 10 capacitors in parallel, then you discharge the 10 capacitors  in series.  And you wrote the effect is a 'surprise' or something similar.

So you probably discharge the series caps into a Tesla coil primary and utilize somehow the 'amplified' energy from the secondary coil, right?

Now that you first wrote the above in bold, then deleted it, its is no use denying?

rgds,
Gyula

You're lucky co'z you got some part. there is other part you missed, you try to notice it, they are not reading it and that's not my fault.

Your wrong i don't use tesla coil co'z its an old style tesla its very much simpler and enough for an ordinary use for an appliances. so therefore we conclude then that for every appliances, then it has its own power supply, so the trend should go like this, in the future an appliances should have its own free power supply isn't great gyula?  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 08:53:32 AM
@will and ram

i am not hypocrite as what you are thinking and all you are thinking to me is wrong, there are just so many conflicts running in my head co'z any wrong move, everything is lost.

it is easy for you to say that without minding what i feel co'z thats what you want, you only looking to your way without minding the other way in the road.

i think before concluding something you must not only think once, twice or thrice you have to have some kindness in yourself, and also do not make some coat from the bible co'z i can do that also and much more better than that ok? so be careful you might get lost  ;D

now!, am i look like serious  ;D lol hahahahahahhaha

You now what? i am now planning to make meeting from my small men downstairs! ;D lol hahahahhah
owh boy chaloofa is in danger ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
each piano tone should go to capacitor of course as lot as possible

but here is the main big pain in ass : without finding the correct timing it is a one key piano and others are not powerful, got it ?

I'm still searching for the method to get it into OU. Unstable.

P.S. you know that diode bridge is two Avramenko plugs ?

hi forest
nowadays we don't anymore need timing, things change into more better solution, every time we need it, it must be new and powerful.

So therefore if i have at least 7 strong man in the forest, then therefore they are enough for me in the middle to be safe from harm.  ;)

consider me as the big foot transformer  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 09:16:10 AM
Question: why does the sun is not burning very fast into explosion? but it is a full of gas.

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 24, 2011, 12:12:58 PM
Question: why does the sun is not burning very fast into explosion? but it is a full of gas.

;D
;D "the physical relation among the pressure, temperature, and fusion rate creates a natural thermostat which keeps the center of the sun (and the center of any other main sequence star) at a steady temperature."
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~ryden/ast162_4/notes14.html
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 12:00:22 PM
;D "the physical relation among the pressure, temperature, and fusion rate creates a natural thermostat which keeps the center of the sun (and the center of any other main sequence star) at a steady temperature."
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~ryden/ast162_4/notes14.html

So Pressure, Temperature and fusion rate, is the reason why it is stable hmmmmmmm, the effect is familiar to me. strange  :).

So a good combination of different natural things makes something in a stable condition hmmmm. great! nature really teaches us how to make something great, hmmm ,really strange.  ::)

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2011, 12:16:08 PM
Tito
I don't know how things will work when we all go home,
But this guy
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10425.msg275916#new

That just posted this,

"My reason was the children. When I became aware of how many were dying needlessly every day I set about doing something about it. I still do not know if I have been successful, but I have tried, and I hope I have helped."
--------------------------------

I think He is some one you should watch !
An example put right in front of you!A person our Lord can point to and then look at you.

Tito,
Just so you understand,I believe this {OU] belongs to no "one".
It is For "every one"!!
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
Tito
I don't know how things will work when we all go home,
But this guy
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10425.msg275916#new

That just posted this,

"My reason was the children. When I became aware of how many were dying needlessly every day I set about doing something about it. I still do not know if I have been successful, but I have tried, and I hope I have helped."
--------------------------------

I think He is some one you should watch !
An example put right in front of you!A person our Lord can point to and then look at you.

Tito,
Just so you understand,I believe this {OU] belongs to no "one".
It is For "every one"!!
Chet

Hi chet

My style is to give ideas and expect them to work in their own where ever they made a progress then its good for them and happy for them but my hardwork is mine and for my children. please understand  :(

Something like this:
i will give you a net to catch fish then your hardwork is yours and mine is mine ok.

And Here is my stand: all tips i gave are truth but only they are in the development and process of my progress thats why many times things change co'z i am discovering new things, but still i am updating something and still i'm very very bad!  >:(
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2011, 12:46:07 PM
OH
I see .........................
I suggest Two things
Pray a lot more!
And Pay attention!

These Things I do myself.
Chet
PS
Also keep an eye here ,Because its really
TEACH A MAN TO FISH
Not
I GOT MINES[net] THE HECK WITH YOU!
PPS
For persons who may be Judgeing Christians buy Tito's position

This is "N O T " the way we are tought
ZERO     N A D D A  to do with GOD.
Not Faith!
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 01:02:01 PM
YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY?!

I ALWAYS WANT EVERYONE LAUGHING IN THIS THREAD FORGET QUARRELING
I REALLY DON'T TAKE EVERYTHING SERIOUSLY

SEE I'M LAUGHING  ;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 24, 2011, 02:03:25 PM
OH
I see .........................
I suggest Two things
Pray a lot more!
And Pay attention!

These Things I do myself.
Chet
PS
Also keep an eye here ,Because its really
TEACH A MAN TO FISH
Not
I GOT MINES[net] THE HECK WITH YOU!
PPS
For persons who may be Judgeing Christians buy Tito's position

This is "N O T " the way we are tought
ZERO     N A D D A  to do with GOD.
Not Faith!

OWH BOY WHAT HAVE I DONE AGAIN!

I THINK YOU NEED SOME PRESSURE, TEMPERATURE AND FUSION RATE TO BECOME STABLE!  ;D

GOODBYE  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2011, 02:12:27 PM
Forget the watch battery running a refridgerator!
Give me a glass of water!
Mark9:41
And when I hand that glass of clean fresh water to the little face standing in toilet water,
I will say {with a very big smile ,and perhaps a Laugh}
This is From > ;D<
We called him Tito.............
God bless you Child!

THAT WILL MAKE ME LAUGH and Cry
tears of joy!

Go play with your Children,and thank your lord they don't have to drink from the Toilet.

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 24, 2011, 02:40:40 PM
Ramset, I suggest you should create your own thread, or better forum to show your scribbles. You look very irresponsible recently. Are you sick, or drunk? BEHAVE!!! TRY TO CONTROL YOURSELF. For me, your behavior looks rather frustrating.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
Qwert
Appologies
I don't like to be taunted by the elite amongst us!
The haves and the have nots
an old story ,always the same ending!

I'm done..............
See Yah
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on February 24, 2011, 03:04:51 PM
Ramset, I suggest you should create your own thread, or better forum to show your scribbles. You look very irresponsible recently. Are you sick, or drunk? BEHAVE!!! TRY TO CONTROL YOURSELF. For me, your behavior looks rather frustrating.

I agree. Seems you are only here to use any ruse possible to push buttons. There is a limit to how far one pushes in the name of valliantry, gallantry and all the other trees you can muster up.

wattsup

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2011, 03:40:35 PM
Yeah
Thanks for the sobering comments fellows
@ Wattsup
Your right I do have an agenda!,Its "Open Source"
And I will Gladly look the fool!
The "I'm saved" comment set me off.
Now I'm Off!
Chet
PS
80 % of this worlds 7 billion people live in poverty
They Drink from polluted waters .
Doesn't mean they are not out there!
Free energy  could clean their drinking water.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 24, 2011, 06:51:02 PM
Here is my theoretical circuit for electric kettle. Can we improve it ? It is only theoretical right now

I don't know if this is possible but I found a way to charge caps in parallel while they are still connected in series. Very strange but theoretically why shouldn't it work ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: mscoffman on February 25, 2011, 07:58:29 PM

Here is my theoretical circuit for electric kettle. Can we improve it ? It is only theoretical right now

I don't know if this is possible but I found a way to charge caps in parallel while they are still connected in series. Very strange but theoretically why shouldn't it work ?

@forrest,

This is interesting - but in the .pdf file what are the instrument(s)
connected to the FET gates? Are these offset (inverted) digital
oscillators? They look like o'scopes?

:S:MarkCoffman
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 25, 2011, 10:02:27 PM
This circuit is very theoretical, and probably would not work. Those boxes are simplified versions of square wave oscillators  ;D Frequency is not chosen, I just followed hfaistio user from youtube

I'm searching for the way to effectively charging caps without discharging source and also thought about charging capacitors in parallel while they are connected in series, but now I think it is not possible without switches.I may be wrong.

First I plan to compare step up booster (simple DC-DC converter) with the proposed method of charging caps using the same parts (relay, coil ,diode)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 26, 2011, 01:32:59 PM
Here is my theoretical circuit for electric kettle. Can we improve it ? It is only theoretical right now

I don't know if this is possible but I found a way to charge caps in parallel while they are still connected in series. Very strange but theoretically why shouldn't it work ?

Your circuit has an effect of voltage multiplier.  :)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 26, 2011, 03:53:36 PM
Tito
How do we make "Current" Multiply?

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 26, 2011, 04:35:35 PM
Your circuit has an effect of voltage multiplier.  :)
Tito, wake up! You still have chance to disclose your invention in full details in an Open Source media. I am afraid, your fellow-coutryman (Ismael Aviso) is just  in his way to steal your hopes, it will be too late (for you and for the rest of the world) when he protects his rights to his inventions. There are several threads on this forum covering this. Here is the latest one: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10443.msg276131#new
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 26, 2011, 09:33:25 PM
Look here :

This is about charging capacitors in parallel, look at equations.
If we would be able to charge each capacitor or all of them in parallel and discharge it in series then because amount of charge is constant voltage will shoot up, but equations seems indicate also energy gain ????
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on February 26, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Look here :

This is about charging capacitors in parallel, look at equations.
If we would be able to charge each capacitor or all of them in parallel and discharge it in series then because amount of charge is constant voltage will shoot up, but equations seems indicate also energy gain ????

He Forest

I really like Nilrehob's stuff.  But that vid, there is something to realize.    In parallel that capacitance is twice as a single cap, and in series the capacitance is half of a single cap.

I would have to say that the caps in parallel, at less than 14v, have greater energy than  the series caps with 16v.  A common mistake, and it was a while ago that Nil made that vid. He has come a long way since then. =]  I find similar issues with the vids of shorting the batt, cap and coil all at the same time, because he doesnt show the value of the caps.  It looks like he is taking a smaller cap and producing a large charge into a larger (physically) cap, when really his discharge cap may be many microfarad, and the large box cap may be 1uf.   I had watched that guys vids many times, who was he, "Free energy from the vacuum"   It took me a while to see that he was making a similar mistake to Nil's vid. Or was he?  ;]

Here is a voltage multiplier.  The caps get charged individually through the diodes to the source voltage and allows you to discharge them in series, thus the output is the source voltage times the  no. of caps.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 28, 2011, 12:44:58 PM
Tito
How do we make "Current" Multiply?

Chet

hi chet  ;D

That is actually the remaining secret. there are different method how to achieve this but there is always a better and safe way of course.

To make it stable we need pressure, temperature and fusion rate ok  ;D

See the sun its not blowing but it contineuosly give of energy ;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 28, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
He Forest

I really like Nilrehob's stuff.  But that vid, there is something to realize.    In parallel that capacitance is twice as a single cap, and in series the capacitance is half of a single cap.

I would have to say that the caps in parallel, at less than 14v, have greater energy than  the series caps with 16v.  A common mistake, and it was a while ago that Nil made that vid. He has come a long way since then. =]  I find similar issues with the vids of shorting the batt, cap and coil all at the same time, because he doesnt show the value of the caps.  It looks like he is taking a smaller cap and producing a large charge into a larger (physically) cap, when really his discharge cap may be many microfarad, and the large box cap may be 1uf.   I had watched that guys vids many times, who was he, "Free energy from the vacuum"   It took me a while to see that he was making a similar mistake to Nil's vid. Or was he?  ;]

Here is a voltage multiplier.  The caps get charged individually through the diodes to the source voltage and allows you to discharge them in series, thus the output is the source voltage times the  no. of caps.

Mags

ok

WE dont actually need large caps ok.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW IS COILING SECRET.

COMMON MISTAKE IS NOT A COMMON MISTAKE IT ALWAYS DEPENDS ON HOW A COIL IS BUILT. WHETHER YOU DISCHARGE IT IN PARALLEL OR SERIES AS LONG AS THERE IS PRESSURE HAPPEN INVOLVE IN THE COIL.  THEN LIFE GOES ON ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 28, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
Tito, wake up! You still have chance to disclose your invention in full details in an Open Source media. I am afraid, your fellow-coutryman (Ismael Aviso) is just  in his way to steal your hopes, it will be too late (for you and for the rest of the world) when he protects his rights to his inventions. There are several threads on this forum covering this. Here is the latest one: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10443.msg276131#new

OK

He will not give it! promise  ;D

The secret is simple, mark my word.

Now if in case that he gave the 1% secret then thats the time i will reveal everything, and that's a deal.  ;D

That is if he really have it.  ;)

Ps. I don't really care what ever he does or what ever happen.

Coz' if i reveal now then no more excitement ;)

It really needs some kind of fore playing first before going into the climax. ;D
Many people here always wants direct to the point! ;D LOL HAhahahha!

Parental guidance needed ;D hahahahaha!
by the way condoms are good tools to suppressed the volcanic attack ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 28, 2011, 01:07:56 PM
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Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on February 28, 2011, 01:30:41 PM
Ps. I don't really care what ever he does or what ever happen.
Now, we'll already have it, no matter if you reveal it or not. It's only a matter of time. So, I see no excitement anymore.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 28, 2011, 02:08:55 PM
Tito
You make me nuts!,Well........... Nutsier ![I'm already whacky!:-}

Chet

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on February 28, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
Hey Tito,
Gas just jumped 30 cents a gallon by me,
How much longer you think till they take away our boys [children] toys and hand them rifles?

Next Oil war Is allready up and running!

Its Time Teets..................................

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on February 28, 2011, 07:45:19 PM
ok

WE dont actually need large caps ok.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW IS COILING SECRET.

COMMON MISTAKE IS NOT A COMMON MISTAKE IT ALWAYS DEPENDS ON HOW A COIL IS BUILT. WHETHER YOU DISCHARGE IT IN PARALLEL OR SERIES AS LONG AS THERE IS PRESSURE HAPPEN INVOLVE IN THE COIL.  THEN LIFE GOES ON ;D

Ok, so it does not matter if we discharge in series or parallel if we have enough voltage ?  Do you mean that someone could find it while building coil with mistake ?
Hmm... Can you answer questions :
1. Does it relate to geometry of single coil (pancake,bifilar,caduceus) ?
or
2. Require extra coil always ?
3. Abstracting from the coil : do you know exactly WHY it works with gain ? Is that hard to understand or simple ? Kapanadze said about ether, do you think it can be simpler expained ?
4. There is only one method and others are just variations or there are a few different sources ?
5. Is that related to cold electricity ?

I'm still wandering in the forest  ;D but finally I see the light and for me it is cold electricity and interaction with ether and geometry. Nothing serious yet (no OU) but I want to find all possible methods  ;) Like capacitors charge by shorting coils - still do not understand it completly, but being here I have to push north side ,right ?   ::)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 01, 2011, 05:40:08 AM
Ok, so it does not matter if we discharge in series or parallel if we have enough voltage ?  Do you mean that someone could find it while building coil with mistake ?
Hmm... Can you answer questions :
1. Does it relate to geometry of single coil (pancake,bifilar,caduceus) ?
or
2. Require extra coil always ?
3. Abstracting from the coil : do you know exactly WHY it works with gain ? Is that hard to understand or simple ? Kapanadze said about ether, do you think it can be simpler expained ?
4. There is only one method and others are just variations or there are a few different sources ?
5. Is that related to cold electricity ?

I'm still wandering in the forest  ;D but finally I see the light and for me it is cold electricity and interaction with ether and geometry. Nothing serious yet (no OU) but I want to find all possible methods  ;) Like capacitors charge by shorting coils - still do not understand it completly, but being here I have to push north side ,right ?   ::)

The shorting coil works like this.  Imagine the coil open, no switch, well, no current either as the magnet passes. But if you short the coil, current flows, flywheel gets going, release the switch and gather while you can.  Its not an ideal flywheel as we might think, but it does have stored energy that will go away if you dont catch it unlike a capacitor.  =]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: e2matrix on March 02, 2011, 04:19:20 AM
OK

He will not give it! promise  ;D

The secret is simple, mark my word.

Now if in case that he gave the 1% secret then thats the time i will reveal everything, and that's a deal.  ;D

<snip <

So if I reveal the secret will you reveal everything ?

First I'll admit I have not read this entire thread but only the first couple and last couple pages.  But a lot of things seem to point to this concept.  The magnetic amplifier circuit which is simple but fell out of use when solid state components became popular.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: e2matrix on March 02, 2011, 04:27:22 AM
Information relevant to the above 2 pics:  "Figures 3-36 and 3-37 both represent practical, workable saturable-core reactors. Circuits similar to
these are actually used to control lighting in auditoriums or electric industrial furnaces. These circuits are
sometimes referred to as magnetic amplifiers, but that is NOT technically correct. A magnetic amplifier
differs from a saturable-core reactor in one important aspect: A magnetic amplifier has a rectifier in
Q-42.
If the permeability of the core of a coil increases, what happens to (a) inductance and (b) true
power in the circuit?
Q-43.
What happens to the permeability of an iron core as the current increases from the operating
point to a large value?
Q-44.
If two coils are wound on a single iron core, what will a change in current in one coil cause in
the other coil?
Q-45.
What symbol in figure 3-33 indicates a saturable core connecting two windings?
SIMPLIFIED MAGNETIC AMPLIFIER CIRCUITRY
If the saturable-core reactor works, why do we need to add a rectifier to produce a magnetic
amplifier? To answer this question, recall that in NEETS, Module 2â€”Introduction to Alternating Current
and Transformers, you were told about hysteresis loss. Hysteresis loss occurs because the a.c. applied to a
coil causes the tiny molecular magnets (or electron-spin directions) to realign as the polarity of the a.c.
changes. This realignment uses up power. The power that is used for realignment is a loss as far as the
rest of the circuit is concerned. Because of this hysteresis loss in the saturable-core reactor, the power
gain is relatively low. A rectifier added to the load circuit will eliminate the hysteresis loss and increase
the gain. This is because the rectifier allows current to flow in only one direction through the load coils."
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on March 02, 2011, 08:32:03 PM
Is magnetic amplifier possible using on core ?
I don't understand how it magnify power. By breaking wave at the peak ? No lenz law ?
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Doug1 on March 02, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
Here forest
http://www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/magnetic%20amplifiers.pdf
Not sure where they got the copy from I even cosidered not mentioning it due to the website name.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Qwert on March 03, 2011, 03:04:39 AM
A find from the past.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1872.msg22314#msg22314
Open attached file:  D3.pdf .
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 03, 2011, 08:43:22 AM
So if I reveal the secret will you reveal everything ?

First I'll admit I have not read this entire thread but only the first couple and last couple pages.  But a lot of things seem to point to this concept.  The magnetic amplifier circuit which is simple but fell out of use when solid state components became popular.

Oh well. this scheme is other way but this is different than mine and you just added some juice in my brain. hmmmm i think its time to scrutinize this one. thanks bro.  ;)

I admit, i'm learning more  ;D

Well ok, here is what i'm doing currently.
I am redirecting the input and the effect of that input into the source, and so the effect is self recharging. take note this is just one of my latest scruitinizing.  ;D

and i think i can add up what you taught above thanks  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2011, 06:35:55 PM
OK, Teestla said a cap charging senario!
These fellows at OUR ,seem to be discussing this
A snipet bellow

Core
Quote:

In the book 'Tesla on his work with Alternating Currents' by Leland Anderson does anybody know what device the cover diagram is for. It is pictured next to the Magnifying transmitter but I do not think that is it. The diagram shows capacitors charged in parallel and discharged in series. I might be missing the patent that this one is for. Any help would be great.

Respectfully,

Core

Cover diagram.

""""Image posted below"""""

-------------------------------

darkspeed

Group: Darkspeed
Â»

Core,
That was the driver for the single wire primary that went around the perimeter of teslas lab. It allowed him to walk around the lab with tuned devices that would run off the primary discharge.

Core

Darkspeed,

As far as you know is there any additional data on this? This is one of the very few diagrams that show a core material. Also to power a tuned device would one end need to be grounded?

Respectfully,

Core

darkspeed

Group: Darkspeed

The first transformer with core is a low frequency step up transformer like a neon sign transformer.
It feeds resonant charging inductors, then capacitors.
When the rotary gap fires the long single wire is in LC with the capacitors and a high frequency is established.
No ground is needed, however a ground will increase the output of the tuned receiver.
Adding a ground allows you to use the electrostatic component between the top of the receiver and ground

@Core

Quote
As far as you know is there any additional data on this? This is one of the very few diagrams that show a core material. Also to power a tuned device would one end need to be grounded?
This is Tesla's hairpin circuit with a mechanical break or a better term would be rotary spark gap which disrupts the circuit. The capacitors are charged in series through chokes to limit current from the secondary and when the break fires the capacitors are discharged through this same path. The changing potential on the capacitors produces a sharp impulse in the loop (a single turn coil) which induces the device(the receiver) in the center of the loop which has a break as well fired at a rate in proportional to the primary break. A variable inductance can also be seen in the loop for tuning the device to resonance.
Regards
AC

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2011, 02:07:38 AM
More Comments from the boys at OUR
Reguarding Parallel to series cap stuff!

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I found this little write up regarding the picture you posted:

"Figure 35.
Apparatus with mechanical break as installed on a large scale in the laboratory at South Fifth Avenue and subsequently at 46 East Houston Street.  Described in U.S. Patent No. 645,576 of March 20, 1900.  Application filed September 2, 1897.

This [Fig. 35] is the apparatus I had at 35 South Fifth Avenue and also Houston Street.  It shows the whole arrangement as I had it for the demonstration of effects which I investigated.
â€¢This cable you see [square loop in top half of Fig. 35] is stretched around the hall.  These are my condensers.  There is the mechanically operated break, and that is a transformer charged from the generator.  That is the way I had it for the production of current effects which were rather of damped character because, at that period, I used circuits of great activity which radiated rapidly.  In the Houston Street laboratory, I could take in my hands a coil tuned to my body and collect 3/4 horsepower anywhere in the room without tangible connection, and I have often disillusioned my visitors in regard to such wonderful effects.  Sometimes, I would produce flames shooting out from my head and run a motor in my hands, or light six or eight lamps.  They could not understand these manifestations of energy and thought that it was a genuine transmission of power.  I told them that these phenomena were wonderful, but that a system of transmission, based on the same principle, was absolutely worthless.  It was a transmission by electromagnetic waves.  The solution lay in a different direction.  I am showing you this [diagram] simply as a typical form of apparatus of that period, and if you go over the literature of the present day you will find that the newest arrangements have nothing better to show.

Counsel

What was the make and break frequency that you got from that apparatus?

Tesla

It was 5,000, 6,000â€”sometimes higher still.  I had two oppositely rotating discs which I will show you and with which I could have reached, probably, 15,000 or 18,000.

Counsel

What wave frequencies did you develop?

Tesla

I could operate from a few thousand up to a million per second, if I wanted.

Counsel

What did you actually use?

Tesla

In these demonstrations, which I showed these effects, these most powerful effects that were the sight of New York at that time, I operated with frequencies from 30,000 to 80,000.  At that time I could pick up a wire, coil it up, and tell what the vibration would be, without any test, because I was experimenting day and night."

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Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: slapper on March 04, 2011, 03:22:07 AM

take care.

nap
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: kooler on March 04, 2011, 05:42:33 AM
what is this ..
it looks like a highly adjustable tesla hair pin..
but has two air coils coming off the high tension side of the input transformer..
what are those for.. ?? would they mate together.. to help feed the caps with b.e.m.f.  ??

??
robbie
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 04, 2011, 07:23:12 AM
That is were energy is being suck.

An open door to get energy in the environment

A vacuum effect for energy outside.

That is how i see it  ;D

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Groundloop on March 04, 2011, 10:36:03 AM
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Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: forest on March 04, 2011, 02:05:00 PM
Choke coil are charging caps from backEMF
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: slapper on March 04, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
delboy posted these Tesla circuits in a hairpin thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7978.msg232723#msg232723 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7978.msg232723#msg232723)

i've added the notes to them.

take care.

nap
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 04, 2011, 05:40:56 PM
The only thing is that what you are showing as the spark gap "T" are actually probes that you hold on to. These are drawings of his medical device. People would hold on to these probes to send the high frequency through their bodies.

The choke coils are used to provide protection to the high voltage transformer from the high frequency spikes that are generated.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 05, 2011, 03:47:38 AM
AMAZING !!!!!!
;D

CHOKE COILS are added as series aiding coils to add up strength for pulling and pushing.

so that energy at the other side of the cap is more stronger.

and were ever the flow of current is, the variable coil is acting as a suction.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 05, 2011, 04:48:52 AM
AMAZING !!!!!!
;D

CHOKE COILS are added as series aiding coils to add up strength for pulling and pushing.

so that energy at the other side of the cap is more stronger.

and were ever the flow of current is, the variable coil is acting as a suction.

The choke coils are not series aiding coils. They are only there to protect the high voltage transformer. They would probably have a relatively high self resonant frequency making it a large impedance to the high frequency spikes. This would stop the spikes from getting to the high voltage transformer.

Wow Teets, for someone who has discovered free energy I thought you would of known better. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sorry, had to edit, forgot the  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 06, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
The choke coils are not series aiding coils. They are only there to protect the high voltage transformer. They would probably have a relatively high self resonant frequency making it a large impedance to the high frequency spikes. This would stop the spikes from getting to the high voltage transformer.

Wow Teets, for someone who has discovered free energy I thought you would of known better. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sorry, had to edit, forgot the  ;D

Oh gush  :o , you're better than me ?  ;D

So you mean they are not aiding connected in series coils to protect the high voltage transformer?  ;D

:P

You know sometimes. it doesn't need to know many thing for free energy, if you only knew the simple way.

i'm not forcing you to believe me okay and maybe you know better than me.

but one thing i am sure , I have it.  ;D

one more thing, this kind of people are sometimes the reason why i'm deciding to not giving.

THEY ARE NOT JUST PROTECTOR OKAY! ;

;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on March 06, 2011, 03:08:09 PM
Just consider the make/break. At make capacitors discharge. At break, inductors (cokes) discharge. When the capacitor discharges it sends a pulse through the loop and also charges the inductors. When the inductor discharges it also sends a pulse through the loop and charges the capacitors. Make-pulse-charge, break-pulse-charge. You get a pulse, a discharge, and a charge at every make and at every break.

Usually in our devices we only get a pulse at make, then at break we hope to hell the flyback will go somewhere useful. But it usually does not.

Both capacitors and inductors are mutually dependent. Without the inductor, there is not enough to charge the cap. Without the cap, there is not enough to charge the inductor. The mH value of the inductor and the mF value of the caps is very important so the exchanged energies are as well balanced as possible otherwise your efficiency will be reduced proportionally.

So what you see in that Tesla patent is a pure example in the art of balancing applied energies.

wattsup
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 06, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
Oh gush  :o , you're better than me ?  ;D
No, I never said that I was better then you or anyone else. Why do you worry one way or the other.
Just by you mentioning this makes me think that you are the one who thinks he is smarter then everyone else.

So you mean they are not aiding connected in series coils to protect the high voltage transformer?  ;D

:P
That's what I said, They are there to protect the HVT.

You know sometimes. it doesn't need to know many thing for free energy, if you only knew the simple way.

i'm not forcing you to believe me okay and maybe you know better than me.
Without you sharing this OU discovery, how are we to know it is the simple way.

but one thing i am sure , I have it.  ;D
Yes, we all know that you say you have it but I really don't think you do. Most people would be proud that they
made the discovery and would like to share it with the world, to save many lives. You remind me of IST.
He also claimed that he has made wonderful discoveries and just expected people to believe him.
I am just waiting for you to say that you are going into production but need investors. If you were scared of being harmed
because of your discovery, you wouldn't be on here bragging about having it. As far as I am concerned, I think that you are
a fake and a fraud and can't even be consistent with your lies. Prove me wrong and share your idea with the people here.
But you won't because you have nothing to share.

one more thing, this kind of people are sometimes the reason why i'm deciding to not giving.

THEY ARE NOT JUST PROTECTOR OKAY! ;

;D
OK good. Now you have another excuse not to share. If someone told me that I didn't have it and I was a fraud,
I would like to prove them wrong and show them. You can't do that because you have nothing to show.

Wattsup,
I understand what you are saying but I dissagree with you. The problem with both of our ideas is that until we know what value
the inductors are, it really is hard to confirm their use either way. All I know is that I have seen them in that location for the reason that I stated.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 06, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
Well  who is to say that the above schem is about OU?  It might be.

If we look at what is going on, the rotor gapper is doing the same as in the Igniter pat.
It shorts the connection of the cap banks so they can be discharged(or just connected) to the output section, And at the same time, the rotor gap shorts the 2 "choke" coils with the secondary of the input.
We seem to have a Shorting coil schem like Romeros experiments.

If we didnt have the 2 "choke" coils, we would be just shorting the secondary.

They are not Choke coils.  They are extensions of the inputs secondary.

The rotor must be in time with the inputs secondary to short the 3 coils while in phase with secondary while peaking, which causes a lot of current to flow through the 3 coils, (choke, sec, choke), then when released(rotor gap) that flow will charge the caps beyond what the sec can do on its own, even when shorted.

Extra coil. These are not just used to receive from a near by operating coil. Tesla used them many ways.  These "chokes" in my opinion are Extra coils.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 02:42:32 AM
No, I never said that I was better then you or anyone else. Why do you worry one way or the other.
Just by you mentioning this makes me think that you are the one who thinks he is smarter then everyone else.
That's what I said, They are there to protect the HVT.
Without you sharing this OU discovery, how are we to know it is the simple way.
Yes, we all know that you say you have it but I really don't think you do. Most people would be proud that they
made the discovery and would like to share it with the world, to save many lives. You remind me of IST.
He also claimed that he has made wonderful discoveries and just expected people to believe him.
I am just waiting for you to say that you are going into production but need investors. If you were scared of being harmed
because of your discovery, you wouldn't be on here bragging about having it. As far as I am concerned, I think that you are
a fake and a fraud and can't even be consistent with your lies. Prove me wrong and share your idea with the people here.
But you won't because you have nothing to share.
OK good. Now you have another excuse not to share. If someone told me that I didn't have it and I was a fraud,
I would like to prove them wrong and show them. You can't do that because you have nothing to show.

Wattsup,
I understand what you are saying but I dissagree with you. The problem with both of our ideas is that until we know what value
the inductors are, it really is hard to confirm their use either way. All I know is that I have seen them in that location for the reason that I stated.

Hi Mrmag__vin  ;D

I am not worry ok! That was just my conclusion.  ;D

ok i don't really want to quarrel to anyone but because the way you said your writings makes an insult to me, i just said the other angle of the picture and thats the truth co'z no matter what it protects it is still an inductor that can able to make self induce energy especially when it is being pulse ok.

You know what i have gave a lot you just didn't appreciate it!  >:(

ok i will never talk anymore if i'm not knowledgeable for you ok  >:(

The floor is now yours!

You provoke me a reason to be bad!  >:(

@wattsup
You're really a good person sir.  ;)

Mrmag is hard headed isn't it sir?  ;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 02:50:00 AM
Who is Vin?   ;)

Well  at least I agree with you here on this one tito.

If we know how an open ended secondary works with an AV plug, then we have to understand that the 2 inductors will act as part of the secondary when the secondary is being energized by the primary. But, the 2 inductors are not directly induced by the primaries mag field, just the back and forth compression in the secondary has more room to expand with the 2 inductors.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 02:55:45 AM
You know what?!

LIERS GO TO HELL  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:00:24 AM
lol

What?  you think im MrMags  vin?

Mayyybe you had a bit of some goood Philli sake?

Mags vin
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 03:00:41 AM
OH!  :o mags your here now, where is mrmag he was here awhile ago is he with you, or do you have him with you  ;D  or is it a bulse eye  ;)

now i think you have to turn him on now.  ;D

@ALL
YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYONE I DO NOT USE OTHER NAMES CAUSE I'M NOT HYPOCRITE!  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:03:34 AM
yep  :D   me ;)     Are you with anybody?  :-*

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:06:15 AM
welp, maybe you are wrong for once..    ;)     Na  couldnt be. ::)

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 03:12:27 AM
Next time if you make use of other names, try to make it very different ok

MR.MAG
MAGLUVIN

nEXT TIME TRY MS.mag OR magic johnson or magnetic field ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:13:54 AM
Mrmag has been here a few years longer than me.

Dont know what to tell ya tweets.  Maybe I will have to argue with him about the chokes. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 03:14:38 AM
oh! why you turn on the two computers? now i am convinced that you really have it.  ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:19:31 AM
NOW YOU HAVE ANGERED MEEEE!!!!!    lol   not    tito   your paranoia is hilarious.  Imagine being me right now and im NOT mrmag.   imagine that will ya..     lol   this is funny.  ;]

Im just experiencing it.  lol

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 07, 2011, 03:24:42 AM
I think both of you guys are nuts. If you want to read more into the functions of these rf chokes, so be it. I thought you would like to know why they are in the circuit. I guess your not use to hearing the truth in this thread. With all of the confusing and misleading information being spread by tito in this thread, no wonder your confused. So, I guess with your logic, every circuit that contain an inductor, the inductor is used to boost the voltage. Tito is a great teacher.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:27:38 AM
Actually  I have 3 computers, 1 pc 2 laps.   The pc is an MSI custom build bout 6 years old running Xp pro, the Acer One is, well, and Acer one.  Yippy.   And the alienware is still classified as an area 51 project.

My internet is a Virgin mobile  Broadband2go and is usb fob  Im still trying to het the pc and Acer to Adhoc.   Workin on it.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 07, 2011, 03:30:13 AM
Here you 2, I did a quick google for you.

What is an RF Choke and why would I use one

"RF" of course means "Radio (high) Frequency" and "choke" refers to choking it off or blocking it. It would be used in series with a circuit that will be adversely affected in some way by the presence of RF, but must operate in the presence of it. It will be a coil or possibly a more sophisticated circuit, which does not present a significant impedance up to frequencies the protected circuit is intended to process.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:34:20 AM
Mrmag

lol well tito thinks im you and you are me.  Yep nuts, pistacios, cashews and peanuts.

One thing about this schem is we really dont know any details. What is the input freq as compared to the rotary gapper?  Dunno.

Maybe you are right, chokes.  Thats all they are, and 2 are needed.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 07, 2011, 03:38:06 AM
Tesla usually showed a generator as his source of power. If you built one today, you would use a high voltage transformer so your input frequency would be 50/60 Hz. The spark gap is generating the high frequency pulses that need to be removed by the chokes to protect the transformer.

And no, I'm not you. That is just tito trying to confuse people again.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:40:32 AM
And what harm would the rf do to the transformer?

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 03:46:27 AM
Tesla usually showed a generator as his source of power. If you built one today, you would use a high voltage transformer so your input frequency would be 50/60 Hz. The spark gap is generating the high frequency pulses that need to be removed by the chokes to protect the transformer.

And no, I'm not you. That is just tito trying to confuse people again.

I know your not me. And you know Im not you.    2-Mags  0-Titioso

I can see that if you didnt want what ever is happening on the cap and output side, not to be affected by the input sec.  But I just dont see the issue with the transformer being damaged by rf.  If it wouldnt make it through the 2 chokes, why would it enter a high inductance sec?

Just constructive conversation,  and no argument. ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 07, 2011, 04:09:09 AM
Yeah no problem,

I'm not completely sure what the high frequency would do to the transformer but a good guess is that it would probably burn out or short. The high frequency current usually runs on the outside of the wire (skin effect) whereas the 50/60 Hz would run inside the wire. Since the wire in the transformer is sized to carrier a specific current limit at 50/60 Hz, the the high frequency would be an issue.

As far as your second post, I'm not totally following you on your statement. Let me give it one more try, maybe I'm not explaining it clearly.
The way I see it is that the transformer is running at 60Hz. Input is 110VAC output 10,000VAC @60Hz. The HV would continue to be at 60Hz. What is generating the high frequency is the rotary spark gap. The chokes will not effect the 60Hz going to the spark gap but it will quench the high frequency generated at the spark gap from working it's way back to the secondary windings.

I hope that is what you were asking.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 04:15:40 AM
I get what your saying.   To your knowledge, was all of teslas ac gens working at 60hz?

I know he used dc also.

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 07, 2011, 05:31:05 AM
Sorry, I don't have a clue what frequencies he used. Yes, he did us AC and DC. I think the frequency back then was 50Hz so the common generator would of been that. But when it comes to Tesla, who knows. He was always trying to increase the frequency so I wouldn't put it past him to rewire a generator to give him a higher frequency.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: slapper on March 07, 2011, 05:49:54 AM
I think many are starting to experience the advantages to coil shorting.

The advantage to hitting the peaks is you are starting at the higher
potentials to begin with so the outcomes are higher.

The higher the rate of change that can be expressed across the coil the more
potential there is for the coil to receive a multiple of frequencies limited
by the coil and surrounding environment. The higher the voltage is across the
gap, usually, the higher the rate of change. The higher the dv/dt the higher
the potential frequencies and voltage across the coil.

The components to these frequencies come from the rising edge that the coil
experiences. I think fourier shows this but it has been a while.

The first spark gap immediately following the secondary in the illustrations
is a source for these high frequency waves. The spark gap is a broadband
transmitter. The higher the frequencies the higher the voltage. The higher
frequencies, and by their nature higher voltages, are bypassed through the
caps across lower impedance coils. But to the higher frequency waves this
lower impedance loop appears relatively high since their frequencies are so
high.

My part of the images were to illustrate that there may be advantages
to adding another spark gap somewhere across part of the stout inductor loop
or coil.

By connecting a second spark gap this way a primary to an autotransformer
is basically created since part of the conductor is getting 'shorted' out
when there is a jump across the coil. The remainder of the stout conductor
loop or coil acts like the secondary to the autotransformer at these lower
wavelengths and that is where even higher voltages are achieved since we
are starting with the higher voltages and higher frequency components to
begin with.

This 2nd spark gap would have the potential to produce even higher frequencies
at even higher voltages.

My guess is that the shorter wavelengths serve to cancel out the eddys between
the coil windings but I think we only can see this during high rates of change.
So the more rapid and repetitive use of the spark gap the better since by doing
so more of these rates of change are being offered to the conductor. That is
for this application. That is the way I'm thinking on this. Rotary works better.

Perhaps a more coherent field is created with a mix of these broadband components?

The high frequency waves will be greatly attenuated through the chokes or
higher impedance secondary coil. However, and especially at these high
potentials and frequencies, there will be a variation to these potentials
over time. The higher the voltages and the higher the frequencies the more
variation there is over a shorter amount of time. What will find its way back
to the primary is lower voltage at lower frequencies.

Just some thoughts.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 06:33:57 AM
Tesla usually showed a generator as his source of power. If you built one today, you would use a high voltage transformer so your input frequency would be 50/60 Hz. The spark gap is generating the high frequency pulses that need to be removed by the chokes to protect the transformer.

And no, I'm not you. That is just tito trying to confuse people again.

Me again!  >:(

maybe i'm wrong about your not him and he is not you but it is your name who is confusable  ;D

it is not my intention to confuse everyone it is only you saying that!!! i did not say that your wrong what i said is that they are not only for protection.

>:(

Why tesla still made patented that drawing with chokes and spark gap?
i think your more genious than tesla and then that thing is needed to be modify ;D
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 10:05:37 AM
I think both of you guys are nuts. If you want to read more into the functions of these rf chokes, so be it. I thought you would like to know why they are in the circuit. I guess your not use to hearing the truth in this thread. With all of the confusing and misleading information being spread by tito in this thread, no wonder your confused. So, I guess with your logic, every circuit that contain an inductor, the inductor is used to boost the voltage. Tito is a great teacher.

Hey mr.Amag why are you accusing me of spreading confusion and misleading info in this thread?!!!!!  >:(

b4 you accuse, prove first!!!!!

you are free to make correction but be careful!

you desperate genious!

>:(
:-\
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 07, 2011, 10:22:41 AM
Sorry, I don't have a clue what frequencies he used. Yes, he did us AC and DC. I think the frequency back then was 50Hz so the common generator would of been that. But when it comes to Tesla, who knows. He was always trying to increase the frequency so I wouldn't put it past him to rewire a generator to give him a higher frequency.

If your not sure don't be so sure  ;D

you have a lot of maybe or who knows  ;D

so, you think?

if somebody made an accident because of not sure then you have to be accuse.  ;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 07, 2011, 03:01:52 PM
Me again!  >:(

maybe i'm wrong about your not him and he is not you but it is your name who is confusable  ;D

it is not my intention to confuse everyone it is only you saying that!!! i did not say that your wrong what i said is that they are not only for protection.
>:(
Why tesla still made patented that drawing with chokes and spark gap?
i think your more genious than tesla and then that thing is needed to be modify ;D

It may not be your intention to confuse but that is the result.
I am not sure about your second comment here. Why did Tesla make the patent with chokes and spark gap?
Maybe he just wanted to share, I don't think he was a greedy man like some people, he shared his discoveries.
No, I'm not more genius then Tesla, I'm not even good enough to even carry his tools.

Hey mr.Amag why are you accusing me of spreading confusion and misleading info in this thread?!!!!!  >:(

b4 you accuse, prove first!!!!!

you are free to make correction but be careful!

you desperate genious!

>:(
:-\

Because your clues and riddles just confuse people. I know english is not your first language. Sometimes you are hard to understand when you talk straight let alone speak in riddles.

B4 you claim free energy, prove first!!!!!

I don't know what you mean in the last two comments. I've been called a lot of things but never a desperate genious. I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or trying to suck up. Hopefully, your just being sarcastic.

If your not sure don't be so sure  ;D

you have a lot of maybe or who knows  ;D

so, you think?

if somebody made an accident because of not sure then you have to be accuse.  ;D
I don't know everything and have never claimed anything. It was just a statement of what I thought regarding his question. If I am not 100% sure of something, I will say so. I think it is wrong for someone to claim something without being able to show proof of it. A lesson you should learn Tito.
We are not children here. Some people do act like it, you know the " I have something you don't" kind of thing. If I make a statement saying maybe, I think, or I'm not sure, it means exactly that. I am not telling people to do something so your comment doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: wattsup on March 07, 2011, 04:21:55 PM
The feed transformer is either a step up or step down and is not important because it could also be a simple dc feed from a battery. The idea is those two "chokes" are required and are matched to the capacitors. Why are there so many capacitors? Because he uses smaller capacitors so achieving the total capacitance is less expensive then if you had only one capacitor. All that is matched. These are probably only 10 uf each, so 6 capacitors to one inductor on each side of the make/break. That makes for some very interesting discharge effects.

So if the energy in the system can be brought down to one common denominator which would be joules, then maybe one of the guys that has good EE math skills can make a few calculations.

The question is this. If you have a 400 volts 10uf capacitor times six in parallel, how many joules can you store into them? Then, what coil inductance would be required to store the same amount of energy? Then how many turns of a coil of x awg is required to obtain that inductive equivalent in joules ? This will give you a better picture of the device and what is required to make it run at optimal levels.

wattsup

PS: Please, let's just stop the word plays.
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 07, 2011, 07:11:42 PM
I suppose I could have left Titos thinking that I was MrMag, but just wanted to clear that up. Still not sure if I did. :P

As for the "chokes", I still think they are an extension of the sec of the input transformer. I would be willing to bet that the output, regardless of the other circuitry, of the sec of the input trans, will have different qualities than with just the sec alone. And being that the "chokes are in series with the sec, the sec has to play a part in the role that the "choke"s play also. And then the transformer itself, core(?) primary, will also play a part.
I may agree that the "chokes" may keep the "rf" from getting back to the transformer, but I think they have a more dutiful place in how much, as in more, gets from the sec to the caps.

After a lot of reading lately, especially Ottos letter and Loners experience recently, I dont know if I want to go this route. It seems unsafe.  I am working on some more passive ideas that I hope will work out without all the rf emissions and who knows what.  Even JimBoot was getting bad vibes from his Ossie motor.  Dang, is it all hazardous?

Tesla laid claim of different freq, some this some that, some safe. But for the time period, do we know for sure.

But as for the chokes, been pondering how to show that they more or less boost the sec output, by the "chokes" being inductors, I believe they help Flywheel the charge into the caps, like my precharge circuit I have shown that charges the cap from a battery to nearly 2 times the bat voltage and its just a bat, coil, diode, cap and switch in series. Lose the coil, then no output greater than the bat voltage into the cap.

Could the sec of the input trans be made to substitute the sec with chokes?  Not if the primary was only intended to power the sec, and the 2 inductors play their part as intended.

I will try to come up with something to show what I mean.  ;]

Mags

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 08, 2011, 02:47:03 AM
ok MR.mag. so proof is the only thing you want?

one of these days i will show some proof.  :)

only still didn't experience yet how to upload a video, don't worry i will try.

;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 08, 2011, 04:16:37 AM
If your not sure don't be so sure  ;D

you have a lot of maybe or who knows  ;D

so, you think?

if somebody made an accident because of not sure then you have to be accuse.  ;D

Im only going to say this, and I mean it in a good way.  ;)  Lets call it a learning experience.  ;)

Tito,  read your post above. It was after you insisted that I was MrMags. Were YOU sure, had PROOF that I was he?  That is hypocritical.

Common man. Be a Man and just be normal.  ok?   ;)    You may feel attacked, but others feel left behind in something you started.  Make sense?   8)  Just be cool and we all will have good conversation here.  :-*

Im cool   8)   chillin

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2011, 07:51:32 PM
Can somebody teach Teetsla How to post a Vid ?

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Tito quote:
only still havent experienced how to upload a video,i will try.

Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Montec on March 09, 2011, 02:51:33 AM
Hello
Ran across this information in an old book, courtesy of Google books.  "The principles of electric wave telegraphy and telephony"

(First time posting a picture)
;D

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 09, 2011, 03:22:15 AM
very nice find Montec!   They are spark quenchers.  That is great!

Very good find.. I have never seen nor heard of this type of spark quench.
The quench may have some key function, possibly limiting the freq spectrum rather than spread as sparks do.

Thanks Montec and welcome.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 09, 2011, 04:57:25 AM
I feel very very hot!!!!!!!  >:(

GOODBYE!!!!!  >:(

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 09, 2011, 05:04:19 AM
Hot?   Well get that air conditioning goin on that free energy ya got goin silly.   ::)   I have to pay for mine. So be happy. Be happy that I have to pay for mine.  ;)

Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Bob Smith on March 10, 2011, 02:18:19 AM
For comparison purposes with the above schematic, and to turn up the heat...  ;D

See: http://rpmgt.org/588177.html
See the patent schematic/diagram (maybe someone can post it) and the Highlights at the bottom of the linked page.
Many have stated on this forum and elsewhere that the purpose of the ozonator isn't primarily to produce ozone...
Here's a clearer rendition from US Patent Office.
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-568,177-apparatus-for-producing-ozone?
Bob

Â¿tal vez hace un poquito mÃ¡s calor?  ;)
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2011, 02:43:12 AM
Teetsla
Quote:
one of these days i will show some proof.

only still didn't experience yet how to upload a video, don't worry i will try.

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SSOOOooooooooo Mags,
Lets say I have a camera or cell phone Vid
you post movies all the time..............

Get me from the Phone/camera to this Forum,so that someone can click on my vid and see it here?
Please explain how you do this?

Thank you
[PPSSSSSST.......Teets Pay attention]
Chet

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Magluvin on March 10, 2011, 03:31:11 AM
If we read our history here, you will know tito wont show or tell.                                  Mags
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2011, 03:39:57 AM
See, I think he will show a vid,even if its got "the black box"
Thats OK!
But right now he seems "Hot and bothered"?

Chet
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 10, 2011, 05:28:08 AM

chokes are used for protection.

anyway onetime as i was eating, and i was chokes, jokes  ;D

early in the morning when i was trying start my motorcyle, i cannot make it on without choking it, now i realize choking is important.

@chet
don't worry chet i am thinking seriously these days about my discoveries, about the water tech, i am thinking if i will show it or not co'z if that is seen everyone will get it right away, let me think first ok.

about the free energy in battery, i will put it in a box first.

Now here is my share to the world.
do you remember the free energy in thin air?
make 100 of those then try to charge a battery and combine it with a simple bedini and it works great. it gives long energy.

Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: slapper on March 10, 2011, 06:24:56 AM
removed the cover on a magnetron
Title: Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
Post by: MrMag on March 10, 2011, 05:31:04 PM

chokes are used for protection.

anyway onetime as i was eating, and i was chokes, jokes  ;D

early in the morning when i was trying start my motorcyle, i cannot make it on without choking it, now i realize choking is important.

@chet
don't worry chet i am thinking seriously these days about my discoveries, about the water tech, i am thinking if i will show it or not co'z if that is seen everyone will get it right away, let me think first ok.

about the free energy in battery, i will put it in a box first.

Now here is my share to the world.
do you remember the free energy in thin air?
make 100 of those then try to charge a battery and combine it with a simple bedin