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Author Topic: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION  (Read 38632 times)

Offline magnetman12003

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A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« on: November 15, 2008, 08:45:46 PM »
Hi All,
After 30 years of making various all permanent magnet motor devices I have designed something that should work. All previuos model devices I made did not function. This one functions to a point but I need help designing a  rotor.   I figure a hundred or so different folks working on this could expedite a self starter motor device.  It would take me a lot of time doing that myself. All I want is credit for the magnetic box design that I will show you after I downsize the completed magnetic box structure I have been experimenting with.  I will post a jpeg of it here then.

Shown is a SMALL rotor with 5 arms on it in the center of the magnetic box design.  It does not turn because the powerfull magnetic forces inside the box completely envelopes the whole rotors south and north poles.  All North poles on the rotor arm tips face the insides of the magneti rail box.

Clockwise rotation comes by making a rotor leg very long and raising it at least 6 inches or more over the box track and thats another story.

The long rotor leg will turn 360.  This is where experimenting by a lot of different folks can expedite rotor development.  I believe a long cone or spiral shape rotor will work but that is only my idea at present.

No-- I have not achieved a self starting fully operational motor but I think my magnetic rail box is a good place to start.  When I post the jpeg photo of this magnetic rail box  device you will see it color coded. Reds are north ends. Blues are south ends.  The rail design and polaritys---- "MUST"---- be constructed as pictured. Any other way the box setup will not work. The insides of the square box has the magnetic flow going in a single direction on all 4 rails.
 
The corners of the insides of the box are what I would like to call transitional areas. They are not sticky spots and can be easily powered through because 4 out of the 5 rotor arms will always be on the magnetic track while 1 arm is pointing at a corner area.

I would like any person who finally makes a suitable turning rotor to post it on this web site for the world to copy for free.  I am not into this for money or fame. I just would like to be recognized that I designed the basic magnetic box setup given to all for free.  I also plan to make a movie and place it on The U tube so you can get an idea of what I am talking about.   Will do that and tell you where on the U tube you can view it later

Who is interested?

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2008, 11:03:38 PM »
Thks, awaiting for materialised thoughts:) ("When I post the jpeg photo of this magnetic rail box...").
 

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2008, 11:11:41 PM »
Hi All,

Here it is.  Make it with stock over the counter ceramic blocks EXACTLY as you see it.  Otherwize it will not work.  Red is a North polarity end and blue is a South polarity end. Note: The box covered up with wood is the first one I made but it is made the same way as the others.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2008, 12:00:31 AM »
@magnetman

Does disk magnets work? I ask because I have about 20 left from other projects.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2008, 01:00:54 AM »
Hi All,

Here it is.  Make it with stock over the counter ceramic blocks EXACTLY as you see it.  Otherwise it will not work.  Red is a North polarity end and blue is a South polarity end. I painted the 45 degree wood support blocks to show that. Note: The box covered up with wood is the first one I made but it is made the same way as the others.  I now included a colored drawing.

Notice how the magnets rails line up in the corner areas.  Use block magnets. I have not used round magnets. The magnets must be staggered just like you see them. The magnet ends are 90 degrees apart  NO AIR GAPS  between the magnets.  In my setup I used 3/4 inch thick magnets. So my staggered end triangles were 3/4x3/4x3/4 inch.    Also shown in my drawing is a 3 arm rotor. 5 arms should work better.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2008, 01:04:24 AM »
 I did some thinking about this and I find three resistance points as pictured and therefore would not work as you think it will. I may be wrong but I cant see where I am.


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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2008, 01:24:57 AM »
I did some thinking about this and I find three resistance points as pictured and therefore would not work as you think it will. I may be wrong but I cant see where I am.


  Hi, The resistive points you mentioned are on the OUTSIDES  of the square rails.

The magnetic energy in this setup has a very queer pattern.
All 4 central areas on the "OUTSIDES" of these magnetic rails have a resistive point. On the "INSIDES" of the rail box the magnetic energy flows only one way.  The first rail I made ( with a wood cover) had to be flipped over so the other free flowing side could be used inside the magnetic box.  Now its  identical to the rest of the track rails as far as build and polarity except the magnets are covered. I will later make a new wood framework exposing the magnets.   If you make a bunch of mirror images of this track and place them in a square shape you will find out real soon your setup will not work.  Save yourself a lot of time and construct this as per the drawing and have fun looking for a rotor to fit it.

The magnets in the corners should line up exactly as shown in the drawing with polaritys as illustrated on the ends.

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2008, 01:39:06 AM »
Your thoughts of how the rails act are different then they will act with a circular motion. They will act as you are thinking when a straight line motion is sought after but not when a circular motion is sought after. You have to think about where the fields are going to attract and repel at and you can not have a field that doesn't have a equal amount of both.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2008, 01:41:17 AM »
 I just noticed you added another design that has magnets on all sides, is that what you are going to build?

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2008, 02:06:53 AM »
Hi,

The drawing and the completed rail box are the same thing except the drawing shows a 3 arm rotor and I made a 5 arm rotor for the finished box.  ??

The track is in four rail sections. When all four sections are put togeter in a box form the magnetic flow does not stop as may be the case in other or circular track designs.  It still flows but hestitates at the corner transitional areas. Notice I said hesitates I did not say stop as in sticky spot.  You have to make and try it to see that. 

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2008, 02:13:14 AM »
Hi Again,

The wood covered rail box with a red rectangular polarity painted on it has the same magnets inside it as you see on the other 3 sides of the box rail forms. This is a complete 4 rail magnetic box setup as illustrated on the drawing I made.  Dont let that covered magnet  rail box fool you into thinking this has ony 3 sides.

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2008, 02:32:59 AM »
 Have you got it to work?

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2008, 03:03:29 AM »
Not yet.

Looking for help fabricating a rotor that will keep on spinning.  The box rail one way magnetic forces are there. Its just how to make good use of them with regard to rotor development.
Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2008, 03:04:11 AM »
What we really have here – 4 rails with open ends each, within length of  which there’s a magnetic polarity. Metal ends of the rotor following this magnetic “stream”, but not hitting the “sticky” points, because they’re at the very ends. And since rotor’s spikes are odd, it helps to overcome attraction when spike leaves the rail. Very clever.
But does it really turns?
In my believe the rotor will turn freely if push it (but not self-running) because of compensation of magnetic forces of all rails.
It seems better to put magnets at the ends of rotor (under 90 degree to rail) and they will follow the “stream” of the rails, hoping able to jump from one rail to other.
But thank you, very smart approach.
 

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2008, 03:05:16 AM »
@magnetman

I understood. No round magnets.


 

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