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Author Topic: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION  (Read 36100 times)

Offline Goat

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2008, 04:17:04 PM »
@ nievesoliveras

Is the video you are referring to this one?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxl8hx9wcU It was discussed in this thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3114.msg45488#msg45488

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2008, 08:03:29 PM »
@goat

Exactly that one!!!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxl8hx9wcU
The thing is that on one the posts there was a comment about what to do with the working model, and I thought that if it runs at that speed and a shaft can be added, the movement can be used to produce free energy.

Thank you! I will check the link!

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2008, 08:05:28 PM »
@ nievesoliveras

Is the video you are referring to this one?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxl8hx9wcU It was discussed in this thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3114.msg45488#msg45488

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 Hi All,
I got into that spinning disk magnet group and did that.already. It has no bearing whatsoever to this project. Uses electricity.

Tom

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2008, 08:05:28 PM »
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2008, 08:42:59 PM »
Hi Guys, 

 I am a member of that group thats spinning the magnet disk. Been there and done that. A spinoff is what you see in all my U tube videos. I have constructed many projects using that technology.  However it uses a small amount of electric energy to power that motion. $175 will buy you all info you need if you want to go that way. See TRACMAG

I always wanted to construct an all permanent magnet motor using nothing else but the magnets in the project to power itself.

Presently I see a possibility of making 2 track U turns.  One turn a little larger than the other. Take the smaller one and place the ends INSIDE the ends of the larger U turn.   Now we have coupled two open end track U turns within each other. Maybe we could get completete 360 travel this way?  Food for thought.


I like your track setup LIGHT

 looks almost like mine. My inside track area measures 8 3/4 inches square.

Looks now I will try using my disk magnets to make a longer track. I run out of the block magnets.

I have a lot of round wood sewing hoops that old ladys stich fabric on. Those wood rings are perfect and can be bent in an oval shape in a hot water bath to make a track former. They also come in larger sizes and can be found on Ebay very cheaply.

Tom
 

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2008, 08:53:34 PM »
You are obviously using the wrong colors. Try getting some blues and browns in there.

Every working SMOT I've ever seen had blues as well as reds.

No, wait, I almost forgot--

There are (still) no working SMOTs !!

magnetman12003, I am curious to know what you think the problem was with Archer Quinn's various designs. What did he do wrong, that prevented his "sword of god" magnet wheel from working, and also his various SMOT attempts? Did he not have enough magnets, or not a long enough track, or what?

   

 His track has to be long enough to allow the runner magnet to gather enough inertia to go past problem
areas with ease.  I am not sure also if he is using the same magnetic track structure we are using for the track rails here.  The track magnetic rail sructure here allows a runner to get up to speed very quickly and smoothly.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2008, 02:04:56 AM »
Hi Tom, the track is aluminum and it too will carry the ball up a incline and you are right that the concept could be used to lift the ball up and then drop it and continue that action and therefore be perpetual motion. I am going to try a track like the one pictured that will be enclosed with Plexiglas.

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« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2008, 02:47:52 AM »
Thks, Nightlife. Inertia; nice example why closed loop won’t work. When system’s closed there’s no propulsion force.

“The track magnetic rail sructure here allows a runner to get up to speed very quickly and smoothly
- Only within length of the single track. Close the loop, everything stops.

How the Tracmag works shown here (magnet in axles, no need for “magnet guard” – black ring of magnets around):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFB-xYL2xWw
No way to get more than spent by motor.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #67 on: November 20, 2008, 02:53:12 AM »
Tom,
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Can you draw out the magnet arrangement you used on the tracks U curve and post it?


 I will try to post a better video later .

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I am fresh out of block magnets right now but I do have about 2,000 ceramic 1 inch by 1/4 inch thick DISK magnets I might try.  I never thought disks would work.   Arranging them at 45 degree angles is going to be a horror story.

 The disc work just fine and yes, it was a "horror story" putting my little neo's together. LOL

 It was very frustrating and time consuming and I hate thinking about having to do it again.

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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2008, 06:03:58 AM »
Tom,  

 I will try to post a better video later .

 The disc work just fine and yes, it was a "horror story" putting my little neo's together. LOL

 It was very frustrating and time consuming and I hate thinking about having to do it again.



 Hi,
I just wrapped a whole bunch of cheap craft ceramic disk magnets set at 45 degrees to a side of a wood ruler and gave it a try. Track works fine also but a lot slower than my huge ceramic block magnet track. The ceramic disk setup should  be able to make a complete U turn radius easily.

 If someone had about 500+ neodium disk magnets and did this his track would really zip !!  He also would have to fight every magnet he used on the track so it would stay put at a 45 degree angle with no air gaps between them.  Ceramics were bad enough to hold in place while taping them.

Taped the magnets in place with masking tape so they would not move. Now I know that using  ceramic craft magnets still are able to power  up to a 2 inch hollow steel ball around. ( slow but sure)  I will tape them to the sides of a wood sewing hoop tomorrow and post a movie of my results. I wont close the loop so we will see what happens. 

Tom


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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2008, 01:04:30 PM »
Good morning, I glued mine with my wife’s pink fabric glue gun, which my kids are making fun of me for using. LOL

 I cant get the ball to release for it to drop so will have to make the track long enough to produce enough energy to power a magnetic coil to be pulsed long enough to break the draw so it can drop and or go far enough to start again.

 Any ideas?

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« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2008, 03:19:47 PM »
 If we move a resistance thru a magnetic field, we should get a current in the direction of the movement provided the coil is wound in the direction of the movement. I will test this later using a long rail wrapped with wire in the direction of the movement and I will attach a cap to it and have the ball move down the rail and see what kind of voltage I get if any.

 If I am wasting time here, please let me know becuase it is not any fun putting these rails together.
 

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« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2008, 01:21:44 AM »
Thks, nightlife; I’m in this “madness” long enough to see what may work what’s not :).
But please, finish your gigantic track, nobody have such amount of magnets.
I bet it will run in the same way – from middle of track it wont run, it means we’re dealing with inertia.
And most important to close the loop, I guess nothing will move at all.
Thank you very much.
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Re: A SQUARE MAGNETIC RAIL -- ROTOR 360 ROTATION
« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2008, 01:29:26 AM »
Light, actually it does run from any part of the track, the track I used in the video was a make shift track that was not even or very smooth. Tom is going to use a wooden loop and I cant wait to see his results posted. It is a real pain in the ass getting the magnets put together properly enough to work.

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« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2008, 01:52:16 AM »
Hi Guys, 

Instead of a wood hoop I have decided to buy a clear  flexible  plastic tube and but it up as shown using an old garden hose as a reference.    PVC can be cemented and the drop through hole for the steel ball will be drilled through both tubes where you see the down arrow.  I plan to snake and tape magnets all over the entire lenght of the tube.    That will be a chore in itself.    It will take a while

Tom

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« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2008, 02:03:55 AM »
Hi Tom, have fun and lets hope your done by Christmas. LOL

 All kidding aside, what kind of tape did you use? I was thinking of trying some duct tape because gluing them is too hard and takes too long.

 

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