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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 208429 times)

Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #465 on: February 23, 2009, 07:16:22 PM »
@charlie
You want to look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWePP4MLUD0&feature=channel

Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #466 on: February 23, 2009, 10:36:08 PM »
Step #5 is the same as step #1 butch  :P.

Just like butch said when you close in they will pull on you so that's energy gain. You'll just have to give that energy back when you spread the magnets back open. On the other hand you can use a clever trick to not feel any push/pull by doing the below thing. Basically you have a set of magnets that always repel each other attached to this main apparatus. I was thinking of ways how to store the energy effectively when the poles come to each other. Springs wouldn't work nicely as their forces are linear with distance. I need something that had a 1/distance relationship. Then it struck that one could just use magnets in repulsion. That way the attraction from the main apparatus will get canceled by the repulsion of magnets attached to it. Same poled electrical charge could also be used if you worry about demagnetization.
Broli,
See this link for Balance Fixture video from 10 years ago. It's an oldie but goodie.
https://www.yousendit.com/download/U0d5b2VDVnNFd2NLSkE9PQ
Butch

Offline broli

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #467 on: February 23, 2009, 10:57:20 PM »
Yeah that's pretty much the whole idea. Good to see you have all the knowledge packed, I was still in elementary school back then  :P. In your video it seems like attraction wins for very close distances that's why it sticks but repulsions wins for large distances. You'll indeed need a very subtle shaped magnet to overcome these two behaviors.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #468 on: February 24, 2009, 12:33:39 AM »
Butch I have a rotor design in mind that uses the balance experiment you did on youtube. Although it does not use the fanner repulsion but can be incorporated. But I just wanted to keep it as simple and effective as possible. Sure you can convince a lot of people that step by step there's a net energy gain, but everyone wants to see a self resetting runner in the end  ;D.

The design I have is 3d in nature so I'm going to give sketchup a go and try to make a rendition of it.

Edit: Design is attached below. I have to admit that it has many unfinished parts as I got too lazy  ;). Even the spacing of the guiding hoops is not correct. But this is the main idea. First of all from that view it's supposed to rotate CW. Now as the spaced out washers come from below the magnet they get attracted by a big force as proven on your balance experiment. The distance between the hoops should remain constant until the moment the washers arrive at the middle of the magnet. At this point the distance between the hoops will start to shrink very rapidly thus bringing the washers together. But the magnet will still want to keep them in the field. But as you've experimentally proven the force is weaker than they were spaced out and thus the washers manage to escape. While coming back the hoop distance expands again and pulls them apart and the process restarts.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2009, 02:15:19 AM by broli »

Offline Charlie_V

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #469 on: February 25, 2009, 03:19:46 PM »
@broli

Thats a good idea.  I like your idea of balancing the pull force with opposing magnets, I think that could work!

Butch LaFonte

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Verified second operating principle, no repulsion between elements!
« Reply #470 on: March 06, 2009, 11:25:34 PM »
I have verified the second principle of operation for the Perpendicular Magnetics Motor.
When the moving square elements are in contact or near contact (.003") with the upper bars, the repulsion between the moving elements is reduced to near zero and actually becomes an attraction force between the elements when the elements are in side to side contact. When the upper and lower bars are moved apart, the elements go into repulsion. Also, the upper and lower bars move apart with less work when the moving elements are together as compared to when they are repelled and separated as illustrated in our past video. This opens up the basic system for overunity design only limited by ones imagination. I will make a video later tonight when I have someone to help as it takes two to make the video.
See attached pictures. I can not express the importance of this technology.
Butch LaFonte
See video at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxbOQ3nM8w&feature=channel_page
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Offline broli

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #471 on: March 06, 2009, 11:54:56 PM »
Butch I was already convinced a page ago but where does this put us now. The same problem always arises. There's always a lack of physically, verbal or financially help. I've seen and experienced this myself. It made me question the whole free energy community. Why are people trying to dig so far in history when overunity/free energy designs are right under their noses, all they have to do is contribute their share and it'll get done.

I will try to come up with a self sustaining design. BUT It should be made clear that there are two separate overunity cases you have shown so far. The free energy you get from individual washer repulsion. And the free energy you get from leaving the field when the washers are stuck together. I thought the latter was the stronger one and that's why the previous design I posted was based on that phenomenon. But I will try to come up with a simpler,better and maybe cheap to build solution.

Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #472 on: March 07, 2009, 02:14:28 AM »
Butch I have a rotor design in mind that uses the balance experiment you did on youtube. Although it does not use the fanner repulsion but can be incorporated. But I just wanted to keep it as simple and effective as possible. Sure you can convince a lot of people that step by step there's a net energy gain, but everyone wants to see a self resetting runner in the end  ;D.

The design I have is 3d in nature so I'm going to give sketchup a go and try to make a rendition of it.

Edit: Design is attached below. I have to admit that it has many unfinished parts as I got too lazy  ;). Even the spacing of the guiding hoops is not correct. But this is the main idea. First of all from that view it's supposed to rotate CW. Now as the spaced out washers come from below the magnet they get attracted by a big force as proven on your balance experiment. The distance between the hoops should remain constant until the moment the washers arrive at the middle of the magnet. At this point the distance between the hoops will start to shrink very rapidly thus bringing the washers together. But the magnet will still want to keep them in the field. But as you've experimentally proven the force is weaker than they were spaced out and thus the washers manage to escape. While coming back the hoop distance expands again and pulls them apart and the process restarts.
Broli,
The washers in this layout need to be recompressed against a repulsion force and the net energy gain will be zero or a negative.
The repulsion force between the washers needs to be eliminated during the recompression of the washers, but present during the expansion for the system to be overunity.
See my post dated today, 3-6-09
Regards,
Butch

Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #473 on: March 07, 2009, 02:28:42 AM »
Butch I was already convinced a page ago but where does this put us now. The same problem always arises. There's always a lack of physically, verbal or financially help. I've seen and experienced this myself. It made me question the whole free energy community. Why are people trying to dig so far in history when overunity/free energy designs are right under their noses, all they have to do is contribute their share and it'll get done.

I will try to come up with a self sustaining design. BUT It should be made clear that there are two separate overunity cases you have shown so far. The free energy you get from individual washer repulsion. And the free energy you get from leaving the field when the washers are stuck together. I thought the latter was the stronger one and that's why the previous design I posted was based on that phenomenon. But I will try to come up with a simpler,better and maybe cheap to build solution.
Broli,
I don't know why more people don't build replications. I wonder if it has something to do with it not being their idea? Thank god for the people that do build though.
Also I believe many people are building in secret hoping to get a jump on the technology. Is this a great country or what?
Butch

Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #474 on: March 07, 2009, 02:43:01 AM »
Butch, Broli
I just uploaded a file that you may bothe find interesting.
In it I discovered you could use "closed coil of bare or insulated (copper) wire" instead of steel washers.
This gives you other possibilities to think about!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item249

Butch LaFonte

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Will complete video tomorrow
« Reply #475 on: March 08, 2009, 02:33:13 AM »
I will complete the video tomorrow, today my wife has me painting the living room and dining room.
Thanks,
Butch

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Re: Will complete video tomorrow
« Reply #476 on: March 08, 2009, 02:54:18 AM »
I will complete the video tomorrow, today my wife has me painting the living room and dining room.
Thanks,
Butch

Haha women. Trying to change the world but the wife is not happy with the wall color.

Offline Charlie_V

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #477 on: March 08, 2009, 06:57:05 AM »
@AhuraMazda

I tried to view your posted file, it says the pdf is corrupted.  Do you mind reposting or linking in another way?

Thanks,
Charlie

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #478 on: March 08, 2009, 07:16:15 AM »
@AhuraMazda
Well, I went and found the article somewhere else.  It describes an early form of induction motor, what's so special about this?

Butch LaFonte

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Finally, high torque overunity design, LaFonte Perpendicular Magnetics Motor
« Reply #479 on: March 11, 2009, 06:54:32 PM »
I have attached a drawing of the basic operating principle of the LaFonte Group Perpendicular Magnetics Motor Phase 3.
I have decided to make the video showing this basic principle instead of the Phase 2 design that has very low torque.
I will make drawing today of rotary design that could produce huge torque if multiple magnets were spaced around the rotor disk.
I will ask group member Nicolas to also make 3D animation and put on our networking web site. Video coming in a few hours.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte