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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 190028 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #480 on: March 11, 2009, 07:26:00 PM »
Now that you have switched to using the magnets inside of the iron I believe you have something that may work!
I have done some testing on this design and it does show promise.

I started testing on this about 2 months ago when I found a similar design made by Pavel Imris a few years back.
There was no information whether the device in the patent was actually a working device.








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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #481 on: March 11, 2009, 07:37:12 PM »
lumen,
Your going to love the rotary design, it is so obvious that is is overunity and high torque. The operational sequence is very unique.
Butch

Offline broli

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #482 on: March 11, 2009, 07:59:06 PM »
This is going to be interesting  ;D.

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Offline lumen

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #483 on: March 11, 2009, 08:05:08 PM »
Butch,

I was just about to build something to test the operational principal of a device using this concept. I have a CNC mill in my shed with a table travel of 20" x 40".
I have built a lot of different test projects to verify operating principals and this one shows that to move two magnets into the steel uses the same force whether apart or together. That is why I believe this concept shows promise. There is however the domain flipping problem in the steel that will absorb some energy and in fact may actually end up being exactly the same as anything gained.

But then that's why it needs testing!


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #484 on: March 11, 2009, 08:23:49 PM »
Hi Butch
Bring the video on,I can't have my dinner until I see it!!
peter

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Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #485 on: March 11, 2009, 08:24:44 PM »
Lumen,
I feel this is what everyone has been looking for.
Making drawing now on our layout. I can't believe this is not drawing more attention from the overunity community, but this is not uncommon when you look back through history. Alot of it is just petty emotions.
Butch

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #486 on: March 11, 2009, 08:39:59 PM »
Mr LaFonte

Maybe a headliner on the top of the Forum soon?

You are one special Man [wish I lived closer, I would come and paint your house]

Chet
« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 09:06:02 PM by ramset »

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Offline lumen

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #487 on: March 11, 2009, 09:56:52 PM »
Butch,

This is a simple toggle arm setup I was planning to build to test a similar principal.
If there is any energy gain it should cause the arm to continue to rock as the magnet outside the steel moves to the outside and pulls the other ends magnet (the one now in the steel) closer to the center.

I may wait now to see your results.


Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #488 on: March 11, 2009, 10:02:53 PM »
so where is the video? still waiting...Butch

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #488 on: March 11, 2009, 10:02:53 PM »
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« Reply #489 on: March 11, 2009, 10:36:21 PM »
The operational sequence is,
1. Rotor magnets are drawn to flux redirecting side plates.
2. When both magnets line up in near maximun repulsion position, side plates move out.
3. Magnets are now in full repulsion mode and torque is created on rotors.
4. As magnets clear side plates the side plates move back in for next power cycle.
This is just one of very many rotary configurations that can use this basic principle.
See attached, 3D animation coming.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #490 on: March 11, 2009, 11:28:59 PM »
This is a good design. What pushes the plates in and out. Something like a cam? Btw you can use the same principal of repulsing magnets to pull the plates effortlessly. I have an idea on how to do it in this design. Because unlike the other one, the magnets here leave the plates and thus when you reset the plates you need to put energy if you use repelling magnets. But I'll try to make a sketchup model.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #491 on: March 11, 2009, 11:34:16 PM »
Butch,

It may be better to design it so the steel does not need to be pulled from the magnets.
1: Magnets under heavy repulsion will pull harder to the steel.
2: Magnets under heavy attraction will pull less to steel.
3: Steel only distorts the field shape,it does not weaken the field.

The design would work the same even if you only covered one magnet with steel.
Then it would look like a shield and all the testing I have done on the shield theory follows the rules above.


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #492 on: March 11, 2009, 11:50:13 PM »
Butch,

It may be better to design it so the steel does not need to be pulled from the magnets.
1: Magnets under heavy repulsion will pull harder to the steel.
2: Magnets under heavy attraction will pull less to steel.
3: Steel only distorts the field shape,it does not weaken the field.

The design would work the same even if you only covered one magnet with steel.
Then it would look like a shield and all the testing I have done on the shield theory follows the rules above.



Hmm you made me wonder about something. It might have been tried to no avail.

Edit: Oke model is attached. I realized it kind of looks like the Perendev motor now. Instead of have the plates move up and down, you shield half the magnet. When they aproach each other shielded it would be like the plated idea. But once they cross each other they sense each other better and push each other away.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2009, 12:15:37 AM by broli »

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #493 on: March 12, 2009, 12:31:02 AM »
Actually I was thinking where both disks spin the same direction only the outside spins 1/2 the speed and has 4 magnets and is geared to the inner that spins twice as fast.
Then as the slower magnet enters the steel, later the faster magnet enters the steel but then the both leave the steel at the same time to leverage against each other and generate power.

But, the problem still exists where the high repulsion will cause the magnets to attract back to the steel harder.
On the toggle arm device picture I posted, the compressed magnets leave the steel at the same time the other two are entering but the seperated two entering have a mechanical advantage because they are further out on the radius.

In any case it appears we don't need to think of any of this any more because someone already has it!
Yes! Look at freeenenegynews.com PESWiki and see the new wind turbine that needs NO WIND!

We can only hope?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #494 on: March 12, 2009, 07:37:03 AM »
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In any case it appears we don't need to think of any of this any more because someone already has it!
Yes! Look at freeenenegynews.com PESWiki and see the new wind turbine that needs NO WIND!

The hunt for perpetual motion is chasing perpetual  motion, and here we go from a grazed pasture off into un-grazed greener pastures.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Boswell+windless+turbine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

As of this date there is nothing in Google or is there any posts in the Boswell Yahoo forum!  I for one have yet to find anything other than a possible hoax. 

It just so happens that I still have a stock of vacuum packed post holes available, would you like to buy some so you can set up your windless wind turbine?  ::)

Believe me you are better off reseeding this field, at least you have an idea of what you are working with.

Ralph

 

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