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Author Topic: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device  (Read 271707 times)

Offline Dbowling

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #255 on: January 14, 2012, 03:38:07 AM »
Well, the motor was still running when I went down to check, but voltage on battery two had dropped to 11 volts. Going to let it rest and see if it recovers. Also, the "bad" battery now has a voltage of 12.48 even though there was a light bulb connected between its terminals the whole time. I will let this one rest also, but I am afraid I have just fixed another bad battery. #&*$%!!!

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #256 on: January 15, 2012, 10:03:16 PM »
My buddy reports that his system was up an running for a test yesterday. He hooked up an inverter to battery 3 and it squealed, indicating there was not enough voltage to power it. So then he let it charge for a few minutes and was able to run the inverter and a lightbulb as well as the 12 volt bulb he has across battery three with no apparent change in the voltages of battery 1 or 2. He has been playing with it off and on for a week now, and the voltages on batteries 1 and 2 have remained the same. Sometimes they drop a little depending on the load, but always return to their starting point after resting. Maybe he has something. I certainly hope so. I have yet to find the battery I want or the load I want for the motor, but am working on it!

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #257 on: January 26, 2012, 03:01:25 AM »
Just to stay current. There are two of us working on two different setups. When we have something that we can share that anyone can repeat step by step, we will post here and at EF. Right now it is just a lot of tedious work trying different things...different loads, different batteries. I haven't found a battery yet that will do what my original setup did when I flip the switch. Still checking out the batteries I have stacked up in the basement. When I have tried them all, then I will move on to trying to replicate my original by altering a standard battery. That will be a little tricky and very interesting. Wish me luck. As is, we are able to make just two batteries last a long long, long, long, long time. SO far, when allowed to rest, they regain their charge. Don't know how long they can keep that up, but that is what testing is for. Looking at things like, can I run it on one set of two batteries with a third bad battery and then switch to two other good batteries and the same bad battery while the first pair rests and recovers. So this would take five batteries, but run continually. Working on those kinds of things.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #258 on: January 28, 2012, 12:29:58 PM »
Let me see if I can explain where we are now. Find a bad battery...one that only shows ONLY a few volts. Hook it up in the third position. If you don't know what that means, go back through the thread and figure it out. Check the voltages on your other two batteries and record them.  Hook a small 12 volt light between the terminals on the bad battery to keep it from charging. Now run the motor and slowly add additional loads to your inverter which is connected to battery three. I would suggest a 40 watt bulb to begin experimenting with. The motor should speed up when you add a load, and then run for a few minutes and suddenly kick into a zone where the bulb on battery 3 becomes brighter. This is the zone you want to stay in. If you add too much load you will drop out of this zone and the system won't produce enough energy. The way you get it to go back into the zone is either to reduce the load on battery 3, or increase the load on the motor to compensate for the increased load on battery 3. The two HAVE to balance to stay in that zone. Run it for 20 to 30 minutes and then check the voltages on your two batteries. You may have lost a little voltage during the time you were trying to get into the zone, but after several hours your batteries will recover. Make note of what you had to do to balance each individual load on battery three so you don't run down your other two batteries trying to figure out how to get into the zone every time. On my motor I might add another generator coil to my rotor, which will slow it down because of the magnetic attraction and slightly increase the load on the motor. In my original setup I had a turnbuckle I used to tighten a belt on a pulley on the motor to make it work harder. Soon you will establish that for every 100 watt load you add to battery three, you have to do something specific to the motor, and eventually you will reach the capacity of the motor to increase in speed, and this is the max capacity of this motor to put out usable power. If you do it right and take it SLOW, staying in the zone, you can keep increasing your loads. You should get lots and lots of 20-30 minute runs in and keep track of the data. If you do it like this, and keep track of your voltages, you will see that your batteries recover, and you eventually produce way more amp hours of production than two batteries could possibly put out. This is still not where we want to be with this, but it is working.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #259 on: February 06, 2012, 03:59:14 PM »
I am building a prototype energizer out of wood with 80 coils on it. Once it is completed and I have figured out all the different places I want to have things available for adjustments, I will visit my local machine shop and have one made out of steel. I know I want an adjustable mounting shelf on one end so that I can use different sized motors and motors that come with different sizes and lengths of shafts so that I can continue to experiment with different motors that will need adaptors to connect to my energizer. I know I want to have the coils able to be easily removed so coils with different lengths of wire can be put in their place, and I know I want the coils to be able to screw in and out, to adjust their clearance to the magnets on the rotor, eliminating any small imperfections in the construction. This means the octagon shape of the device must be hinged at some point, or bolted together at two points. Attached is a photo of my construction so far with only 16 coils mounted. Sixteen is all I have wound so far, so I have some work to do to get to 80 coils, but I'll get there. I also know I am going to have to put a threaded sleeve on my rotor shaft that will fit a bearing, so I am working on that. It will need one on each end and one in the middle. For now I can just wrap the rotor shaft with pipe tape to get it to fit the bearing, but I want to be more precise than that with the machine shop version, so I will have to use a larger bearing. A perfect build would allow me to disengage a whole set of coils from the rotor, but while I have already come up with a design for that, it may be beyond my budget for right now. Maybe some day. Anyway, attached is a photo of the present stage of construction. It's not much, but I'm getting there.
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #260 on: February 15, 2012, 09:59:43 PM »
So yesterday I got 100 empty spools in the mail so I can start winding coils. That will take a few days. I have been playing around with this and playing around with it, and I feel like I am learning something every day. Right now my goal is to put together an energizer that is enough of a load that I can get a balance with the load I have to have on battery three to keep it from charging, and then see how much power my energizer puts out. That will be a balanced system where no appreciable energy is used up running the motor or the light off battery three. That does NOT mean that the three batteries in the system may not run down eventually, but they will last much, much, MUCH longer than they should, and I will be pulling power off the energizer the whole time. And it is usually ONLY battery 2 that loses charge. So if I have a battery charging, one resting, and one in the second position that is full, and I can charge one faster than the one in position two is drained, I get the power of the motor for free, which is all I want.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #261 on: February 27, 2012, 02:17:28 AM »
Since no one here seems interested in working on this, despite the fact that we are having some serious success, we are no posting on EF at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system.html


Several folks over there are working on it and having success. The longest run we have had so far from anyone trying to duplicate my results is ten hours with a raise in voltage of the two primary batteries. So we're not there yet, but we have lots and lots of things to try.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #262 on: March 20, 2012, 07:14:47 AM »
@Dbowling
should be something interesting for you:

Nevermind, found it:  http://www.fluxite.com/WorkingRadiantEnergy.pdf

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #263 on: July 25, 2013, 10:38:48 PM »
Gentlemen,
I am returning here to post this because this is where it all started. I made my very first post about this setup on this forum several years ago. Unfortunately, NOBODY who tried to replicate it could see what I was seeing and soon lost interest. Everyone decided I was full of crap and moved on. Well, as it turns out, I was NOT full of crap. Far from it. After several long years of research we now have a stable system up and running. The longest run I have done so far is ten hours, but I have done long runs three days in a row without drawing down on my primaries. The load I am running on the system is twofold. First there is the inverter, which is only running 18 1/2 watts, which is what I need to run off the inverter to balance with the load I am running off the other half of the circuit, which is the motor. It is running another motor as generator and is pulling 11 amps at 12 volts per hour.


So if someone has an answer for how I can pull just over a hundred amp hours a day for three days in a row out of two 18 amp hour batteries and still have a full charge on my primaries, I would love to hear it. Otherwise I would submit that I am NOT full of crap and this is a working system. We are constantly changing and improving, but the basic circuit can be found here:


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system-78.html
Post #2335


It is my intention to run this thing at least 8 hours a day, every day, until the primaries can run it no more. Hopefully that will be for a long, long time. I have to shut it down at night because it is in my basement, and I can't let it run all night. Fire danger, since the basement is right under my bedroom, and also NOISE. There is no insulation in these old houses, so the only thing between me and the motor running the generator is the floor boards, and my wife would not be happy with me. If you go up the page prior to the schematic, you will see a video of the run I did where I caught battery 3 reversing polarity, and I talked about the need to hit one end of the battery with the spike until it reversed polarity and then hit the other end until it reversed back. Instead, Randy found a different method....add a fourth battery,which is reversed. Anyway, it works. So if you are interested in building this setup, here is the parts list.
2 good batteries of the same kind and amp hours, either SLA or AGM.
Two bad batteries of the same kind and amp hours (don't need to be the same as the primary batteries)  that will only hold less than about 6 volts each. The "badder" the better. We are calling those the transducers. A fifth battery that is a good battery, but discharged down to about 12.2 to begin the run. This will be the buffer battery. One bifilar tesla pancake coil about 9' in diameter made with two strands of #12 wire. The end of one wire connected to the beginning of the other. Thats it. Let the fun begin


Dave Bowing

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #264 on: July 25, 2013, 11:19:23 PM »
David
You are most definately one very Tenacious individual who seems to be impervious to the madness which would surely have driven a weaker mind over the edge by now!
 
Very cool stuff David ....
have you ever attempted any Geiger measurements of the batterys or any  components of the system?
Thx
Chet

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #265 on: July 25, 2013, 11:40:47 PM »
Have not tried geiger measurements, but hopefully there is no radiation here! LOL.


Dave

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #266 on: July 26, 2013, 01:47:22 AM »
Thank you for sharing David.
1.  Please post the type of motor it is, voltage, current.  Is it a electric scooter motor, etc.
2.  What is a Transducer Battery?
3.  How large is the Bifilar Coil?
4.  It says Under Transducers.  Does that mean 1 HUGE Coil is under ALL batteries at the same time?


Thanks.

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« Reply #267 on: July 26, 2013, 02:17:21 AM »

Here are the parts. All this is on the thread at EF.
2 source batteries, full charge, radiant conditioned. Charged with a SSG.[/font][/size]
2 transducer batteries (3rd position), DEAD, no conditioning to start with. The ones I have been using with this setup have 0.1v and 6v. These charges have moved around about a volt during testing. Nothing significant.[/font][/size]
1 Buffer battery, drained charge (11.5v to 12v), radiant conditioned. This I use for my loads.Bifilar coil 9" in diameter. #12 wire (from a piece of house romex)Motor can be ANY brushed dc 12 volt motor. I am using an MY1016 Razor scooter motor obtained on ebay.Inverter is connected to buffer battery and loads connected to inverter. You need to have a load on the motor. Could run another motor as a generator.YOU MUST BALANCE the system or your primaries will GO DOWN!!!!!!!  This is done by watching the voltage on the buffer battery. Let the system run for a couple minutes. During this time your primaries will go DOWN a little. Watch the buffer battery voltage. If it is going up,  increase the load on the inverter or decrease the load on the motor. If it is going down, decrease the load on the inverter or increase the load on the motor. When you stabilize the buffer battery, your primaries will stop going down, will stay level, and will climb back to where you started or higher when you shut down. The faster you stabilize, the higher your end voltage will be.I am running 17 1/2 watts of lights off the inverter. I am drawing 11 amps running the motor as a load using it to turn another motor as generator. In a ten hour run that is over 100 amp hours of power drawn from 2 (18 amp hour) batteries, and the primaries are still charged. The motor is running at over 6000 rpm and I can use it to run my generator. This is REAL POWER.[/font][/size]
Dave

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #268 on: July 26, 2013, 02:22:09 AM »
Should have mentioned...The 2 primary batteries must be the same kind of battery and same amp hours. The dead (transducer) batteries should be the same kind of batteries and same amp hour, but don't have to be the same as the primaries. The buffer battery...not sure if that matters. Doesn't seem to.
The two transducer batteries (dead ones) sit on the pancake coil. Use a compass to orient them so that north runs corner to corner through the batteries on a diagonal. Any questions, let me know. I am pretty much on the internet all day long on the other forum. Just thought I should post this here because I felt like I owed something, since this was the first place I posted, even if nobody believed me.


Dave

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #269 on: July 26, 2013, 03:04:57 AM »
The only limits to this system are what YOU have on your bench, the size of the motor you are using and the size of the inverter you are using. Put as MUCH load on the inverter as it will run...as long as you can balance it with a load on the motor. Or, put as MUCH LOAD on the motor as it can run, as long as you can balance it with a load on the inverter. Remember, BIG loads make the primaries go down fast until you get it balanced, so be ready to do that. The they will hold and eventually recover. But start with small loads and LEARN.


This is not the end. This is the beginning. We are learning more every day and even sharing MOST of it on the forum. We want to put it all together so to speak before we dump everything out there, so hold on. It's going to be quite a ride. Lots of folks working behind the scenes on things like solid state versions, etc. Now that we understand what we've got ahold of, there are going to be some major revelations in the future. I would bet on that. Come join the fun


Dave