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Author Topic: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device  (Read 287706 times)

Offline Dbowling

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #240 on: January 04, 2012, 08:39:24 PM »
A dead battery and a "bad" battery are two different things. When I had this working, the battery in position 3 would not hold a charge. There is a pretty good chance it would not even TAKE a charge, but I didn't clarify that specific piece of information in my notes. My buddy charged the three batteries over night, and I wasn't there when he unhooked them the next morning. It doesn't say in my notes, and I am not sure at this point, so I don't want to speculate one way or another. SO just discharging a battery and putting it in the third position won't get me a working overunity system. Not by a long shot.


When the system was turned on the voltage in battery 3 would jump up to over 24 volts, but the motor would not run. The voltage would go slowly down to 18, at which time the motor would start. It would continue to run as the voltage went slowly down to around 9 volts, at which time the motor would shut off. Then the voltage would jump up again.


It is my belief that battery number three would not hold a charge. But when it was connected, the meter was actually reading the DIFFERENCE between battery number 3 and the other two batteries, or over 24 volts. As battery three charged, that difference would decrease, which is why the voltage went down. At around 18 volts (difference) the motor came on. In my opinion, this is the point at which there was enough voltage on both sides of the motor for it to run somehow. Then at the point where the difference had dropped to 9 volts the motor shut off. WHY? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??   I have no idea. These are the conditions I am again trying to duplicate. Until I have three batteries and a motor that will duplicate these conditions, I do NOT have a system worth running any other tests on. I know that I used two different motors with the original setup, but that "bad" battery was used with both, so it is the KEY as far as I am concerned.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #241 on: January 04, 2012, 11:01:22 PM »
David, I found this diagram on the web, & I think your circuit is the same thing.  Some web sites claim that is the same circuit Tesla used
to run his electric car.
 
The theory is there are 2 charged bateries & 1 discharged batery.  The current running the motor from the charged batteries
HAS TO PASS THRU THE discharged battery, THUS CHARGING IT FREE OF CHARGE!!  Then the batteries keep getting SWITCHED
around so that there are always 2 charged batteries always CHARGING the dead battery.
 
In fact, why couldn't the Electric Motor DRIVE A GENERATOR instead of a car???
 
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BELOW IS A Web story from a MAN RUNNING THE CIRCUIT BELOW, but switching the batteries aound ELECTRONICALLY.
 
Ron told me that when he was running his electric car his neighbors car had a bad battery and he removed one from his electric car
and gave it to them. The alternator on the neighbors car went up in smoke after an hour of driving.  it was more than likely running
at full field trying to charge the battery.
 
Ron told me he ran his car for months without charging the batteries.
 
He also told me a strange story that after running the car for a few hours when setting at a stop light the other cars around him all stopped running.
He called it some sort of energy field he thought it was creating. he also told me that his neighbor could not get out of her mobile home one day when
he had the motor running and the car in idle for a few hours in is driveway, she yelled for help and when he went to help her it was like walking through
air as thick as sand and it took almost all his energy to get to her.  After that he stopped the project to think about what was happening.
 
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« Last Edit: January 05, 2012, 03:00:32 AM by FatBird »

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #242 on: January 04, 2012, 11:33:35 PM »
That probably is the same circuit, and I say probably only because the positives and negatives on the batteries aren't labeled. The layout is exactly the same. And that is probably Ron (Ronald) Brandt (sp?) being quoted in that story. I have run across this information several times in the years since I first posted here.


The significant difference here is, when I had the system working, I was able to tap into something that I used to charge up a number of batteries many, many times. I ran electrical appliances off an inverter. Batteries one and two charged up so high I was afraid they would explode, and I had to constantly pull power out of the system or that was in danger of happening. To me that indicates much more than what can be accomplished by switching around batteries, which might prolong how long they last, but will allow them to eventually run down. (Or at least I THINK it will. I could be all wet) I am searching for something else here. I have seen it, and I will know when I see it again. If and when I ever do, I will post the information here.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #243 on: January 05, 2012, 12:00:16 AM »
You mentioned that when you had it working correctly, you used Battery Cables.  Maybe the battery cables were lying in a circle (inductance).
So you might want to try SUBSTITUTING A COIL OF WIRE (Inductance) in place of the battery cables.
 
1.  Try making a Coil of wire about 10 or 12 inches in diameter, having about 20 turns.
2.  Try using 12 gauge insulated wire, or bigger.  Using a single wire from some standard house wiring should do the job.
3.  Tape the Coil together with tape to keep it circular.
4.  Place the Coil in series between the 2 good batteries.
5.  Try running your tests again.
6.  Give the test a FEW HOURS because sometimes Free Energy takes awhile to show up.
 
I have seen different web sites claiming that a Coil in series boosts Free Energy somehow.
 
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #244 on: January 05, 2012, 11:24:06 PM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #245 on: January 06, 2012, 05:49:36 PM »
Update:
So far I have found thee kinds of batteries in my testing, which I have categorized by what happens when I put them in position number three.


1. When a good battery, no matter how low its voltage, is put in position number three, it's voltage jumps immediately to 24+ volts (when you read it with a volt meter from the positive to negative terminal) and the motor begins to run IMMEDIATELY. The voltage begins to drop down to around 13 or 14 volts, where it stabilizes.


2. Bad battery type 1. When it is put in position number three, its voltage  (when you read it with a volt meter from the positive to negative terminal) jumps immediately to 24+ volts, where it remains. I have left one of these in position number three overnight, with no noticeable change. I have found two of these so far. Even after being hooked up in the third position overnight, the voltage does not drop. The battery will also not take a charge from a standard charger after having been disconnected from the system.


3. Bad battery type 2. When it is put in position number three, its voltage  (when you read it with a volt meter from the positive to negative terminal) jumps immediately to 24+ volts. It slowly goes down to around 18 volts, at which time the motor comes on. Its voltage continues to go down to around 13 volts where it stabilizes. The motor continues to run. When removed from the system, this type battery will now take the charge of a conventional charger where before it WOULD NOT. I have found four batteries that meet this criteria. All my "bad" batteries were obtained from an auto parts store where they had been taken in as "core" replacements for new batteries because the auto parts store had determined they were "bad" batteries and sold someone a new battery. I myself tried charging them with two different standard chargers and they would not charge.


4. The criteria I am looking for. When you connect the battery in position number three, the voltage jumps to 24+ volts and begins to go slowly down. At 18 volts the motor comes on and the motor continues to run and the voltage continues to drop. When the voltage reaches 8 or 9 volts, the motor shuts off and the voltage once again jumps to 24+ volts and the cycle repeats. I will continue to check batteries until I find one that meets these criteria. Then the fun will begin.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 09:09:57 PM by Dbowling »

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #246 on: January 06, 2012, 08:10:41 PM »
Thank you for sharing your results David.
 
Can you please post the motor name plate stats, like Voltage Rating, Current Rating, RPM Rating, etc.
 
Thank you sir.
 
 
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #247 on: January 06, 2012, 09:40:10 PM »
When I actually had a working system, there are two different motors we used


Fisher Price 12 volt
00968-9003
63822
3E3312 47
It came fro a Fisher Price Power Wheels toy and those are the only markings on it.


The second motor had the following markings


CIM
First Robotics
FR801-001
12Vdc
101104


The motor I am using now, which I THOUGHT was 12 volt DC until you asked your question and I went down to look at it has the following markings


McMillan Electric Company
PM DC Motor
Model S344633401 (the "S" may be an 8..the first "3" may be an 8.... the second "3" may be an 8 or a 2) It is pretty scratched up
P/N 12-0057
26.4 amps


I am not sure that anything about the motor matters except that it is a brushed DC motor.
5020 Rpm
110 Vdc
3HP


I still haven't found a battery to go in the third position that will take a charge but not hold it. This is what I am searching for because I believe it is the KEY to the whole thing.







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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #248 on: January 10, 2012, 01:35:40 AM »
A friend of mine APPEARS to be having success with a battery in the third position that is bad but does NOT meet the criteria of dropping in voltage on its own by putting a load on it consisting of a small lightbulb from an auto dome light. I will be trying to replicate what he has done tomorrow while I continue to search for a battery that meets my requirements for the battery in the third position. He's putting together a setup right now to do extensive testing, and I'll keep on posting here.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #249 on: January 11, 2012, 12:49:05 AM »
I have had a VERY frustrating day today. Every battery, no matter how bad, that I put in the third position causes the motor to either start right up, or never lets the motor come on at all. I can't find one that will just sit there and increase in charge and THEN the motor starts, no matter how much I drain the battery prior to trying to use it. Even the two I had the other day no longer will do this and are now taking a charge from a standard charger. They are now "good" batteries! Grrrr!!!I am out of bad batteries to try and will have to go on the hunt for some tomorrow. Can't wait for tomorrow!!!!

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #250 on: January 11, 2012, 08:14:45 AM »
On a more positive note. My friend told me today that his battery in the third position won't take a charge up to full, and the motor doesn't come on when the system is first connected, but the battery doesn't drain down like it should and the motor doesn't kick on and off like mine did. However, he is lowering the voltage in that third battery by connecting an auto dome light to it, which is keeping it at right at 4 volts. He is running his motor and running various loads, and feels like he has demonstrated a system that replicates what I had originally. He will be posting here and at EF on the "Use for the Tesla Switch" thread when he has all the data to back up his claims, which may take a couple days. I am trying to replicate what he has done, but still haven't found a battery for the third position. I will be spending my day tomorrow searching for bad batteries at various places. At this point it looks very promising, and once we're sure it works, everything will be posted here.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #251 on: January 12, 2012, 12:42:05 AM »
Thank you David for keeping us posted on your work & results.
It does look interesting.
 
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #252 on: January 12, 2012, 04:47:11 AM »
I got eight batteries today at the auto parts store. Hopefully ONE of them will work. Got my setup all wired so I am ready to use my 120 volt motor as a generator. Had some problems, but got them figured out...I think. WIll know tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD4fgEhYIAc&list=UU14Bfk5iVL6e7VDp76ScNkA&index=1&feature=plcp


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #253 on: January 12, 2012, 05:36:38 PM »
SUPER NICE Lab Setup that you have David, & GREAT videos.
 
I notice that you are spinning an AC motor.  I don't think an AC motor will output anything because there aren't any magnets in it.
A good source of motors that WILL OUTPUT Pulsed DC when rotated are Electric Scooter Motors, because they use Permanent Magnets.
Click on the link below to see some:

 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=scooter+motor+24&_sacat=0&_odkw=scooter+motor+12&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

 
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #254 on: January 14, 2012, 12:34:13 AM »
I thought you could run an AC motor as a generator as long as..
1. You turned it at high enough rpm's
2. You ran a charge through it to begin with to activate the electromagnet. Maybe I'm all wet. At any rate, I'm going to see if I can pick up a car alternator with a 1/2 inch shaft or a small DC motor with a half inch shaft, some more socket, and 12 volt bulbs to of in those sockets.


Here's my video for today's setup.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBo2DyBoiqw


Over the weekend I will be adding a bank of lights and switches for the 12 volt load on the alternator/DC generator. Maybe use some lights and some different caps so I can fine tune the load.


Right now I just turned it on and let it run with the only load on the DC motor being that it is turning the grinder motor. Just want to see how long it runs.
Began running it on two fully charged batteries (and one DEAD one) at 2:15. If it slows down or stops, this is NOT the system I want, so I don't care how long it runs. It should run to the end of time or until the bearings wear out if I have it right. If I have it wrong, who cares how long it runs.