jeanna said:To be honest, I looked at Stubblefield's patent drawing and didn't understand it.
(Some patents are purposely like that.)

I understand.
I read the patent every day for probably 40 days.
The only thing about this patent that is sooo confusing is the junk he was forced to put in there by the patent office.
They would not grant him a patent unless it was a galvanic battery, which it was not.
So, every reference to it being a galvanic battery needs to be erased, and the whole business about putting it in a jar is added for the patent examiner too, and should be disregarded. But HE wasn't trying to hide anything. He was trying to promote something nobody understood.

I believe the NS generator is like a buried transformer having a primary hooked up to two electrodes of differing metals, also buried?

Please see my advice to protonmom about the stake in the ground and not burying it.

The secondary is the power takeoff?
For a center tap,(like a transformer?) your dealing with AC?
Only one wire has current?  The center tap?

Yup
The load is off the secondary. He says a load can be off the primary but that is in the galvanic part.

The way I have hooked it up right now, is the twisted centertap is connected to the southern buried zinc nail which is 15 feet away from where the meter is. There is another set up at the north end just the same but to the carbon probe.

The speaker wire may also add to the electret effect?
A metallic dome---ungrounded---can generate a fair amount

Well, ya gotta use something. I am using more wire than before because I had such little galvanic action from the earth before, and I was using 24 gauge tele wire single strand. bill was using 14 gauge hook up wire, which I am using for the 9 foot apart probes in the ground EB.

The dome is very much grounded

Thank you,

I am getting 49 mv ac on top of anywhere from .845vdc down to .245vdc. The ac component does not seem to change... more to come here.


jeanna

@jeanna,
thank you for posting the two text copies from the library.
Especially the first text scan with the info about one of Stubblefield's coils (core/coil length 7.5 inches, wire length longer than 100 feet).
In that first scan it also says "Figure 1 here refered to".
Do you also have a scan of this "Figure 1"?

Some more thoughts:
You wrote that you think that Stubblefield did not use a switching system to make/brake contact between 5&6 in order to get induction and thus AC in the secondary, but that he relied on some kind of natural frequencies for induction.

I think he would have used a switch. Yet, using the coils for phoning, he would have used a microphone as the switch.
Applying the microphone between 5&6 the magnetization of the primary and the iron rod would have changed modulated by the microphone. He would have then been able to pick up that signal with a receiver, stuck into the earth somewhere else.

So NS coils can be used for 4 purposes
1: electromagnet
2: power generation of DC in the primary
3: power generation of AC in the secondary, using a proper switching mechanism between 5&6
4: creation of a modulated signal to be transmitted into the earth as a magnetic signal by means of  the iron rods, to be picked up by a receiver.

@protonmom,
the current reading obtained with your new NS coil published in
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4455.msg197009#msg197009
seems to be 92.5 on the 200 mA scale.
So the current output is 92 mA. This far surpasses any result I was able to obtain so far. Also the voltage (0.83 V) is quite high.
Congratulations.

Can you please give some details about the wires you used and about construction?
Or post a photo of some wire samples?
Bare copper wire and bare iron wire?
Or galvanized iron?
What did you use for insulation to prevent direct contact of the two wires?

If you attach a paper clip or small screw to a piece of thread to make a kind of pendulum and then dangle the screw in front of the coil, won't it be attracted to the core, when the wire ends 5&6 are shorted/connected or while an Amp-meter is attached between ends 5&6 (which is the same as making a short circuit)?

Or can you go round the coil with a compass (with 5&6 shorted), to see if it reacts?

It would be great if someone could get to the point that the core gets magnetized by the flowing current.
Winding a secondary before the core's magnetization is confirmed, makes little sense, in my opinion.

Thanks mom.

jeanna said:

...They would not grant him a patent unless it was a galvanic battery, which it was not. ...

Seems plausible.  But, then, can an ordinary transformer be used instead of a NS coil arrangement?

So, every reference to it being a galvanic battery needs to be erased, and the whole business about putting it in a jar is added for the patent examiner too, and should be disregarded.

That was the part which was confusing.  I had the idea Stubblefield wanted it buried for that reason.

Please see my advice to protonmom about the stake in the ground and not burying it.

Good. I'll remember that.

Yup
The load is off the secondary. He says a load can be off the primary but that is in the galvanic part.

Both can be used?  Will Stubblefield's invention work as he described it?  Can yours approach his complexity in design and 1) work effectively or 2) be more efficient?

Well, ya gotta use something. I am using more wire than before because I had such little galvanic action from the earth before, and I was using 24 gauge tele wire single strand. bill was using 14 gauge hook up wire, which I am using for the 9 foot apart probes in the ground EB.

Maybe if I have the time, freedom and enough money, I might try the EB + the NS generator + the extended antenna(a la Moray) to see which works best.

--Lee

Here is something interesting:
I tested the paper clip and if I connected the 10's the clip was repelled.  If I connected the 5 and 6 the clip was attracted to the core.  If I held the clip over the ends of core (either one) without letting the core grab the clip the clip would spin...first in one direction and then the other.  I found if I held the clip about 1/2 inch above either end it would spin (not just above the core).
If I held it above the wrapped core it would also spin but not as fast as above the end core.  Now get this...  I took the whole shebang and got it wet again.  Brought it out and without tying any ends together.....it is still magnetic.  Why is that?  I thought the 5 and 6 had to be connected for it to be magnetic.  What did I do?

Oscar, let me wait a few minutes and then I will re-check the coil for the dmm readings.  (I just now took it out of the bath so want to let it drip a bit longer)  Will get back to you shortly.

Hi Stubblefield guys,

I want to congratulate you all for making these items. They are not easy to make... but I think they will be rewarding.
Lee, I hope you are able to make one or 2...
IotaYodi, will there be one in FL?

Oscar,
I did a lot of magnet tests with a compass in Feb to march of 2008 on joe's thread. Many people jumped in and tested for magnetism along with me etc.

Protonmom,
I think that you found something with the spinning paperclip.
That was a brilliant idea to try!

Oscar and protonmom,
I have had the same kind of magnetic direction with all my coils but one.
That one was the opposite. I believe the compass swung the S to the top of the coil, but I could have that backwards... However, the difference in that coil is that it was made on a piece of pipe. Soft iron, but hollow. Everything else about it was the same as the rest of them.

Protonmom, the metal holding the magnetic direction is not what we are looking for here.
It is what makes soft iron different from steel or not soft.
It needs to change polarity easily enough but then hold the magnetic charge for the collapse.

OK, now here is what has me so excited about my scope findings.

I see many many pulses coming from the earth, and I do believe these pulses were what he was using.
Not for the tele receiver. Because as you say, oscar,  that would have its own, but for ac electrical production it is essential to have a pulse.

He refers to "normal make and break"
We puzzled over that a lot last year, but Tesla also refers to make and break and while he used it for disruptive discharge = sparking,  it really just means pulses.

Induction coils were very ordinary things back then. Everyone must have known how to set them up.
Sort of like setting up a 555 timer circuit.
It was easily done as a beginner.
You set up a coil and the make and break as you wanted it.

I am so excited by the up and down pulses happening all the time from the earth.
These comprise a pulse of 42 to 65 mv 2.5 million times per second.

I think we need to focus on this.

I have inundated the threads with pictures from my scope, so I will pass unless you want another one!

thank you all,

jeanna

@All
Do you suppose there is some Earth action going on early in the morning that would discontinue in the afternoon that would affect the earth battery?  I have tried all day to replicate the readings from this morning, to no avail.  It went down, and there she stayed.  Could it have been electrical energy coming off ME??? that caused the higher readings this morning?  I just don't understand how I can get a high reading then, but not now.  It is very frustrating.  Here are some photos of what I did get this afternoon.