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Pirate88179

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #960 on: August 05, 2009, 07:15:06 PM »
jeanna said:Very good, jeanna.  You're right.  The Creative Science plan I had strongly suggested to soak the ground with water around each wire for greater current output.  Dry ground would get you less, even nothing.  They said water it regularly; every two weeks at least.

Here's the patent:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=Q19NAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:600457&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=

--Lee

I have always had higher mA's and volts in very dry soil.  When it rains, everything goes down, the dryer the soil, the better my numbers.  With 100 degrees here last summer for 2 weeks, my numbers were the best yet. Now, when I first "plant" a new cell or set of electrodes, I water the area around it liberally to help it connect to the surrounding soil.  After that, no more water for my set-ups.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #961 on: August 05, 2009, 07:21:11 PM »
The big question for me is why no one has duplicated Stubblefield to the extent he did. It all leads back to him and the existing environment and conditions he was in. Its really peculiar how he died.

I agree with what you say and I want to add he also used materials available at that time, like the cotton insulated wire which we can't seem to find today. (It is available at high end stereo shops BUT it has a layer of teflon or plastic making it no good for this application)  I believe if we had that same wire now, a lot of us would have much larger (much easier to wind) coils with decent outputs.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #962 on: August 05, 2009, 07:25:22 PM »
Oscar:

You are correct about not being able to use plastic anywhere on the coil.  We discovered this the hard way in our beginning experiments. Fortunately for me, some other folks figured this out before I could gather materials to wind a coil.  Some even tried plastic mesh material to allow some moisture to pass and still no go.  I think it is important for the cotton (Jeanna used silk with success too) to not only allow the passing of moisture, but to hold it in place over time.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #963 on: August 05, 2009, 09:27:06 PM »
With the same diameter the tube would have more surface area...
 Even using pointed rods may be better. The higher potential materiel's is a plus as well as mass to get more out.

good point!  :o

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The big question for me is why no one has duplicated Stubblefield to the extent he did. It all leads back to him and the existing environment and conditions he was in.


I personally stopped last year because I had reached my limit of understanding.
I had to absorb the information I had gained from my experiments. But I needed the joule thief and its thread and all the helpful people to start to understand what I had learned so I could move forward.
It is not at all surprising to me that we never got very far.
I do believe it is all right there. I do not believe he used an undisclosed switch. I do think we have lost information that was so commonly understood that no one ever mentioned it.

This idea struck me when I read tesla's lecture to the EE's in london in 1892. He referred to a "common inductor coil"

What is that?
That is the kind of thing we have lost. It was the basis for our electrical system, yet we do not remember what they did with an inductor or other things like it that were so common.

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I have made most of my coils with 360 turns total. That is 180 turns for each wire.
The silk did make a better coil.
I suspect that it is because it is sooo thin that the wires can be very close together as oscar has explained so well.

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The key to the wetness issue is in the word moist.
I used to live on the east coast.
The soil there never really dried out. I think KY is similar. There is a little rain every 10 days at least. Often once every 5 days. And there is moist snow all winter. The moisture there goes very deep.

Here in the west coast the climate is called mediterranean. I quickly learned that this has nothing to do with warm mediterranean temperatures, but only to do with the seasonal nature of the rain.
There is a rainy season and dry season.
I must water once a day or 2 in the summer because in the summer there is no rain for 3 months.
Just try to imagine no rain for that long and what that does to your soil... to your earth battery.

Stubblefield said the ground needed to be moist. If you had a rain recently and your ground is moist, then do not add water.

Does this make sense?

I do believe we are adding to the progress from last year. I would not be here to repeat what I did last year.

thank you all,

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #964 on: August 06, 2009, 12:35:45 AM »
Kentucky has been under drought conditions for the past 4 years, no watering the lawn, washing the car etc.  It usually get's like the dust bowl here in the summer with temps over 100 degrees on a regular basis (104-110 with the heat index)  It is just hot and stays hot.  Trust me, I know as I work in my van with no ac for many hours at a time.

Now this summer has be a mild one, very mild.  We just recorded the coldest July ever since they have been keeping records.  (Thank God)  And, we have had plenty of rainfall too.  Also many more storms producing tornadoes.  May garden area is totally dry and I have to water my upside down bucket plated vegetables 3 times/day otherwise they start to wilt.  This water has nothing to do with my electrodes as they are in the ground and my plants are not.

I think we are talking of two different things here...for the coils...yes moisture is needed for them to work, but from my experience with the electrodes I am using, the dryer the better.  Of course I am sure that soil composition comes into play (we have a lot of clay here) as well as mineralization.  So, I am not surprised if this is not the same for everyone. ***EDIT***  Also, my 5 lb. magnesium block is encased in a bag filled with potash so, whatever moisture there is/was is held in that bag for a long time.  So, I don't want to give anyone the wrong idea here.  If adding water to your set-up increases the output, do it.  If letting it dry out completely helps it, do that.  Whatever it takes to get the best output should be done.

Bill
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #965 on: August 06, 2009, 01:31:50 AM »
I will let my probes go dry. I see there is a 20% chance of rain on thursday. After that, if it does rain, I will clock the dryness effect. I will surely be able to clock the wetness effect in another 2-3 months  :D

There is something else we have not really dealt with, but it probably won't make a difference if we talk about it. That is the amount of iron in our soil.

Bill, since you have always had a higher reading than I have with not exactly comparable probes  ;) , I am wondering if you know the iron content in your soil?

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #966 on: August 06, 2009, 01:47:23 AM »
Jeanna:

Good question.  I don't know.  I think I can call my local county extension office and find out though.  This is a great thought and might make a lot of difference.  I used to be a Geology major in college and I know what high iron content soil looks like. (It looks red)  This is not that.  But as to what levels there are is a very good question.  I know we have a lot of clay as the soil does not hold water very well at all.  Our main bedrock in this area is limestone hence all of the caves in this region, including Mammoth Cave (20 miles from me) which is the longest cave in the world.

I will do some research on this and post my findings. 

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #967 on: August 06, 2009, 03:12:36 AM »
Pirate88179 said:
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I have always had higher mA's and volts in very dry soil.  When it rains, everything goes down, the dryer the soil, the better my numbers. 
Okay, that something I hadn't heard.  It seems we're thinking of different types of systems.  I was using heavy wires shoved into the ground about 6-10".  What are you doing?

--Lee

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #968 on: August 06, 2009, 03:55:25 AM »
Pirate88179 said:Okay, that something I hadn't heard.  It seems we're thinking of different types of systems.  I was using heavy wires shoved into the ground about 6-10".  What are you doing?

--Lee

I am using, on the north meridian, two 1" X 9" long carbon rods.  On the south meridian, I have a 5 pound block of magnesium wrapped in a bag full of potash.  The angle of the depth of the mag. block and the bottom of my rods via the distance separating them (about 15 feet) matches the magnetic dip angle for my area.

I can light 400 leds and also have lit a 48" tube and have run a Bedini motor from this set-up.

I hope this helps.  For more info, see my Youtube channel. (Pirate88179, the home of Pirate Labs)

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #969 on: August 06, 2009, 04:22:25 PM »
I am using, on the north meridian, two 1" X 9" long carbon rods.  On the south meridian, I have a 5 pound block of magnesium wrapped in a bag full of potash.  The angle of the depth of the mag. block and the bottom of my rods via the distance separating them (about 15 feet) matches the magnetic dip angle for my area.

Bill

Why 2 carbon rods?  Are they together or separated and each connected to the same Magnesium block (which is what I was thinking of trying)?

How do I determine the magnetic dip in my area (upstate NY)?

Thank you,
DonL


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #970 on: August 06, 2009, 05:47:51 PM »
Here is a calculator that will tell you all sorts of info for your area including magnetic deviation and dip angle:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/IGRFWMM.jsp

I used 2 carbon rods because when it was one carbon rod (18" long) I could not get it deep enough in the ground to use most of the surface area so I cut it.  I did various tests and found that keeping the second rod along the same meridian alignment (not magnetic north/south) separated by about 5 feet increased my output.  I have a single 5 pound block of mag. on the south end.

There is much more detailed info about my set-up discussed here on this topic and on Localjoe's topic.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #971 on: August 06, 2009, 10:09:38 PM »
How are your 3 wired?
2 carbon rods wired together for the positive and 1 wire from the magnesium block for the negative?

Also I can't get a Frequency reading on my earth battery.  Is this normal?  The frequency keeps jumping around on my meter.
I verified my meter is OK by checking MAINS frequency at 60 Hz.

DonL
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #972 on: August 06, 2009, 11:48:25 PM »
How are your 3 wired?
2 carbon rods wired together for the positive and 1 wire from the magnesium block for the negative?

Also I can't get a Frequency reading on my earth battery.  Is this normal?  The frequency keeps jumping around on my meter.
I verified my meter is OK by checking MAINS frequency at 60 Hz.

DonL

Don:

Here is an older video that I will re-post here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4gRDwPqSz4

In this video I am only lighting 4 10mm superbright leds but you can see how it is wired up.  The two carbon rods are tied together with test leads and the load is wired from them on the + side to the - on the load to my magnesium block.  Check out some of my other videos, especially the newer ones, to see what I am able to light up and run now.

As far as your meter not reading the freq.  I can't say.  Possibly the changes are too fast and or the freq. is too high for that meter.  I am only now getting used to using my scope so maybe one of the other electronics folks here can help.  I suspect the meter was designed to read in the range of 60 Hz give or take, and we have been seeing some wild stuff on the scopes that may be driving your meter crazy.  I am just guessing here.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #973 on: August 07, 2009, 02:32:43 AM »
Hi everyone.
This is dataloging but it is Stubblefield and I do not want to complicate the datalogging thread with un-plain things, so I am posting them here.

The ground is drying. One of these has 0.28vdc but it has plenty of the activity I saw with moist ground.

6 pix follow.
I will put them together for comparison so notice the caption says "both" at the end of its name when both NS coils are connected, otherwise just the one on the south is and the north is just the carbon rods.

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #974 on: August 07, 2009, 03:49:39 AM »
Don:
I suspect the meter was designed to read in the range of 60 Hz give or take, and we have been seeing some wild stuff on the scopes that may be driving your meter crazy.  I am just guessing here.
Bill

The meter is supposed to be able to read 5Hz to 10mHz.  It just kept bouncing around between low Hz numbers to kHz numbers.


That website states my inclination is 68 degrees 45'.
Does that mean i have to lower the bottom of my + northern rod 68 degrees lower then the bottom of my - southern rod?
But at what distance between the rods?  45'?
Their FAQ help isn't very helpful  :(


I'll take a look at your videos.
Thanks

DonL
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