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Offline EMdevices

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #135 on: October 08, 2007, 04:22:11 AM »
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because  in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.

a very interesting discussion here.



Another wonderful confirmation for the magnetostrictive/vibrational mode of operation.  Thanks Mannix.   So, the device must be allowed to VIBRATE "freely", and I say "freely" because the only damping on the vibration must be due only to the output power being generated (induction produces a retarding force on the moving object/magnet).

I was gone for a few days, but this week I'm starting to implement the LINEAR concept I presented.    While I was gone I've been thinking,  what if TESLA's power source ( the box that had rods inserted) functioned simular to this linear concept? 

@BEP, I'll be right behind you in those experiments.  Good thinking in the design.   Using multiple thin Iron wires in a bundle will keep down the eddy current losses and the HEAT.  The low 1 Hz resonance is amazing. I was getting 120 Hz, but I deduced it was comming from the grid through my transformer (overloaded)  :)   I need to start using batteries.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #135 on: October 08, 2007, 04:22:11 AM »

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« Reply #136 on: October 08, 2007, 04:47:49 AM »
Might try reading through this wiki page, I find the ribbon tweeter an interesting read, plus
  all of the other unusual speaker types, some of these I have never heard of before 8)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweeter

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« Reply #137 on: October 08, 2007, 05:13:43 AM »

The point is everything - down to the particle level IS rotation.


Yup.

and the spins stay where you put them until something changes them.  Amazing. 

Kinda funny that it moves along with us at like 70K MPH...

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« Reply #138 on: October 08, 2007, 06:39:41 AM »
is there anybody getting positive results or am i the only one seeing intresting things?

According to my cigarette smoke I had some slow rotation just before bedtime. Gotta work ya know  ::)

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« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2007, 07:01:42 AM »
So you would place a solenoid where Naudin has his pickup coils?

Yes. The axis of the coil will be the axis of the funnels. Actually you could think of it as an SM style collector with multiple turns along the axis. I haven't decided if I should put the bias in a bifilar winding or in the solenoid coil directly.

I'll do a sketch in the morning for the coil. I'm alright with ACAD but stumble on MS Paint.

Basically it is a rope wound coil like you find on CRT necks except it is folded into a C pattern. This way you don't need to alternate polarity or worry about flyback misdirecting current or inducing into the secondary. Apply a pulse - the entire inside is North. Remove the pulse - North inside subsides to South while the sides spike as North. So either applying or removing current either squeezes the hose or pushes the current away from that point.
The C will lie on its back with the bottom facing inward. The bottom will be used to promote rotation in the center and the inside and sides will squeeze the hose.

I have one at each quadrant and I am currently sequencing them with an lpt port interface. Hitting them with the BCD equivilant of 1000,0100,0010,0001 repeat. 0=negative pulse - 1=positive pulse. This way all four coils are always on. The top and bottom ring are reverse of each other so this same sequence would creat CW in one and CCW in the other.

I don't expect to get nice straight funnels or the lens effect with this. It is only a functional experiment.

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« Reply #140 on: October 08, 2007, 07:06:00 AM »

@BEP, I'll be right behind you in those experiments.  Good thinking in the design.   Using multiple thin Iron wires in a bundle will keep down the eddy current losses and the HEAT.  The low 1 Hz resonance is amazing. I was getting 120 Hz, but I deduced it was comming from the grid through my transformer (overloaded)  :)   I need to start using batteries.


The 1HZ wasn't resonance I forced it down that far. The coil resonance was abot 2.5k. The magnetostrictive resonance is probably under 45Hz.
The bundle idea was from McFarland Cook  :)

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« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2007, 07:12:32 AM »
A slight sample of what a magnetostrictively operated TPU might do in water, and why it must be allowed to vibrate 'freely' (as EMDevices put it...)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6821818183625131337&q=magnetostrictive&total=4&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

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« Last Edit: October 08, 2007, 07:45:15 AM by tao »

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« Reply #142 on: October 08, 2007, 07:27:00 AM »
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I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because  in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.
What were the TPU preparations for the test ?
Fully sealed or like in the video ?

I have just saw a MIT lecture about coils levitation.
Due to eddy current...
Quote from: SM
The destructive heating caused by the eddy currents ,
become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil.
Look like scaling up could be a problem, but it is also present in the smaller TPUs.

So...
How eddy current created ?
how does the distance, relative to the surface of the material in witch it is induce, affect it ?
what would be the effect of putting water in between ?
Does eddy current have it own magnetic field ?

For some of those questions i have an answere, some i don't.

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« Reply #143 on: October 08, 2007, 12:40:26 PM »
If the Earth did not rotate, gravity alone would not cause any water vortexes.

Indeed water does not require the rotation of the earth to rotate into a vortex. As long as gravity is present, the water will form into a vortex on its own, but the vortex direction will be determined by chaotic imperfections in the holding container, and hence will be random on a case by case basis.

In EE class many years ago, the professor was drawing circuits on the blackboard and some smart ass raised his hand and said "but the coil has resistance in it".  The professor without hesitation replied "not this coil, it has zero resistance because it is made out of chalk."

My bathtub is a perfect bathtub with no imperfections whatsoever.  With only aether flux flowing to the Earth (what you call gravity) and no Earth rotation, there is NO vortex formed.

In fact, water can be "encouraged" to rotate in a direction opposite its natural tendency due to the earth's rotation, simply by stirring it up manually before "pulling the plug".

But what is the purpose of doing this?  If you rotate the TPU's magnetic or electric field in the wrong direction it won't work.  For this reason, the electronics must be able to rotate in either direction.  If you get it wrong, you will have no success, so it better be switchable.

So for all intents and purposes, water will form into a vortex under the influence of a rotating earth or not...as long as "gravity" is present.

Negative, Earth rotation is necessary.

Call "gravity" whatever you wish; its effect is what matters, .......

Just the opposite is true; it is the CAUSE of you being stuck to the Earth's surface that is important.
It makes a difference of night and day whether you are being attracted to Earth, or whether you are being pushed to the Earth.

If you think that when you jump in the air, you are attracted back to the Earth, then in my opinion you will never be able to understand the operation of the TPU.

... and the fact that gravity has no significant effect on electromagnetics, can only mean the TPU does not operate on any principles involving gravity.

Many people suspect that "gravity" is electromagnetic.

Since there are numerous reports of spacecraft that manipulate "gravity" in order to levitate cause interference to radios, gasoline motors stopping because the high-voltage coil no longer funtions, etc., etc., I would not be so quick to jump to a conclusion that gravity does not effect EM.


Some here have the theory that the TPU operates on a magnetorestrictive principle.  The arguments brought forward are not trival and sound convincing.  It could very well be that brand x TPU could operate OU due to magnetostriction.  However, the SM TPU stops functioning when turned upside down.  If SM's TPU operation was based solely on magnetostriction, turning it upside down would have no effect.
My pet theory is still that the SM TPU harnesses the same aether that is pushing you to planet Earth.  Whether this aether vortex makes connection to the ionosphere for OU or not, I am still undecided.

Regards, Earl

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« Reply #144 on: October 08, 2007, 02:27:04 PM »
@Earl

If you can wade through it, and wade is the right word, it might be worth you checking out the free ebooks on the Divine Cosmos website, there are nuggets in there regarding the energy flowing into the earth and the large pyramids the Russians experimented with outside of Moscow. Many of their findings regarding the really massive detectable energy effectsn it produced, such as a very large column of energy above the apex tend to support your ideas.

I too think that this is energy, which ultimately comes from the Sun, is the source of the TPU's power rather than the Schumman resonance directly.The pyramid shape when aligned correctly, has always been used historically to harness this energy because it is the simplest way of doing it. Now with electronics it appears SM has created a rotating magnetic vortex which sucks this energy in, which is equivalent to one formed inside of a pyramid due to its geometric resonant properites. However SM has the upper hand as he controls the vortex directly with his electronics, where as the pyramids static geometric nature prevents this, so he is able to obtain much more energy from it.

Some of the DVD's on crystals show the link between a pyramids energetic vortex, which is essentially the same in nature as that of the ones formed inside crystals and the Suns energy.

Indeed the several OU pyramid energy generation devices that have periodically appeared on google, the last of which brought from the designer support your idea, they are however generally low powered as they only collect the energy from the pyramids natural geometric vortex, rather than creating an high power artificial one.

There may be several effects in SM's TPU that contribute the OU power, magnetorestrictive contraction and release causing BEMF to be produced as well as a rotating magnetic field causing a vortex that sucks in the Suns energy stream to the Earth. This might be why SM could not be sure it was the Schumman Energy...

Acerzw

P.S   As it is simple and so am I, I actualy built one of these! Yes, it keeps a glass of water fresh almost indefinetly and sharpens razors too, thinking about test its power generation capabilites at a later stage. Coil inside a pyramid anyone, sounds right about down Otto's street...

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« Reply #145 on: October 08, 2007, 03:26:56 PM »
Earl,

In terms of the effects I see on my bench, the argument of whether gravity is an attraction from within the earth, or a repulsion towards the earth is of no consequence.

What I see is no effect on magnetics or electric potentials, and you still have not addressed that question.

It boggles my mind. SM has already provided enough information and clues as to the underlying principle and folks either ignore it or are totally oblivious to it.

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« Reply #146 on: October 08, 2007, 03:34:32 PM »
hi  :)
as my memory serves me right there was also something about drawing a lens when velocity becomes extreme.
some people claim gravity itself is a electric/magnetic force.
i do not know what it is, but i do think it is convertible into another form or forms of energy.

is there anybody getting positive results or am i the only one seeing intresting things?

M.

Hi Marco.

What kind of things are you seeing and what is your setup?

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« Reply #147 on: October 08, 2007, 04:28:12 PM »
The method how TPU converts energy from external magnetic field is done by taking a precession energy from electron, when electron is wobbling under phonon pulse. Sharp phonon pulse comes from magnetostrictive material, when control coils makes an magnetic field around composite core material, that includes both ferromagnetic and magnetostrictive particles.
This created sharp phonon pulse we can call also as a "kick", when it pushes electron precession to wobble. When electron`s precession axis direction is changed from the direction of the external magnetic field lines, electron releases a part of it`s energy in a form of photon. Photon is now a energy carrier and is able to give it`s energy to free electron, that exsist`s on collector wire. To start the tpu, there needs to be free electrons available on collector coil for photons energy, this can be done by applying a bias current to collector coil.
This technology is used also with electron tubes, when photon`s energy is transferred inside the electron tube.
Idea with a TPU is that we need only a realtively small amount of enegy in a control coil to wobble electron precession and have a energy emission in a form of photon. External magnetic field during pulses moves electron precession axis back to be in parallel direction with a magnetic field and gives it`s energy again to electron.
Also SEG works with this principle, when deformation in a  crystallic metal releases phonon pulses as rollers are moving around the stator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect

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« Reply #148 on: October 08, 2007, 04:51:18 PM »
It boggles my mind. SM has already provided enough information and clues as to the underlying principle and folks either ignore it or are totally oblivious to it.

I hate to start something but what really boggles my mind are statements like that. Yes. I've made them too. But now that I think about it if all the clues are there then someone, out of the billions that live here, would have a working device - not just claimed but one that is verifiable.

Same goes for the BB devices and I'm sure many others.

I don't know for sure what makes these things tick or the world around me. All I do know is what is written is always missing something or based on failed observations or personal philosophical flavor.
What is gravity? What is skin effect? Who cares? It would be great to know and minimize this work if understood correctly. Right now I know the final result is the same regardless of the cause - for both.
I seriously doubt gravity is the major player for the reason the TPU 'supposedly' won't work upside down. My EMP won't work upside down, unless you want to break the thing it is sitting on. I can?t even image what it would do in a tub of water.

@Esa Maunu

Have you seen any of your statement proven or repeated parts on a work bench? (Now I sound like you guys when I came bursting on!)
All of what you say is old information here. The question is - Can you put it in practice and document all of it so others can benefit?

Also - I have a fair amount of experience with SEGs. I haven't found a one that worked or been able to reproduce a working model from the information available.
What I have found is that some of the theory pans out but most of it is a flight into theology.


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« Reply #149 on: October 08, 2007, 04:59:18 PM »
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The method how TPU converts energy from external magnetic field is done by taking a precession energy from electron, when electron is wobbling under phonon pulse. Sharp phonon pulse comes from magnetostrictive material, when control coils makes an magnetic field around composite core material, that includes both ferromagnetic and magnetostrictive particles.....
Esa Manu


I like what you worte Esa.  Magnetostriction invovles aligning the domains and when they align they also lengthen the material.  So energy has to come from the atoms themselves, I totaly agree.  And since atoms are electrodynamic entities, spinning charge, etc.., the play of energy through precessions, etc.. can be quite complex and I'm no quatum physicist, but on the surface I can tell it has to come from the atom.   Also Nuclear Magnetic Resoance, which uses precession of the atoms, can also be at work here.  And since Gravity afects atoms, Gravity can play a part. So ultimately energy can come from the cosmos for all I'm concerned. 

  

But from a more practical viewpoint, I'm convinced of the following right now:

1) Magnetostriction is the actuating principle causing VIBRATION from pulsating coils.

2) This VIBRATION is put to good use and by INDUCTION induces current in the output coil.  (like a guitar pickup coil, and SPEED is key, like SM talked about, the faster the vibration the higher the induced voltage)

3) FEEDBACK is used to drive the INPUT COILS from the OUTPUT COILS.  (this is the part that will be tricky, since we need the correct phase, much like in designing an oscillator) and voltage and VIBRATIONAL LEVELS will build REALY REALY HIGH


@tao

nice video link.  wow.  talk about rapid cleaning.   I use to work for a company that cleaned parts in an ultrasonic bath, very cool to watch.

EM

 

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