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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #120 on: October 07, 2007, 06:41:02 PM »
Gravity may (and I stress may) indeed play a role in determining the direction or polarization of energy utilized by the TPU in operation, but the energy being extracted, converted,  or generated by the TPU is not coming from gravity itself.

Tesla in his experiments with RE knew this energy was directional and flowed from space towards earth, but even he apparently did not speculate as to what caused the flow in this direction.

"Antigrav" effects, if apparent in TPU operation need not be a result of manipulating gravity itself, but could in reality be the result of magnetic vortex/TPU attraction, just as two opposite mag fields attract. At the power levels being generated by the TPU's, it is quite conceivable that the devices could lose weight during operation.

Sweet's VTA exhibited "antigravity" effects as well when operated at high output, but the device itself does not tap gravity as its source. IMHO, the VTA and TPU operate on very similar principles.

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« Reply #121 on: October 07, 2007, 06:44:47 PM »
Think of planet Earth as a spherical bathtub, filled with aether "water" extending infinitely in all directions.

A spinning magnetic and/or electric field opens up a drain plug right through the center of the toroid.

Then the aether vortex goes pouring through, down the drain.

A TPU is a bathtub with electrically-operated drain plug.

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« Reply #122 on: October 07, 2007, 06:49:02 PM »
The bottom of the bathtub is the surface of Earth.

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« Reply #123 on: October 07, 2007, 06:59:34 PM »
Water vortexes form because gravity has an effect on water.

Since gravity does not affect a magnetic field, how can gravity come into play in an electromagnetic device?

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« Reply #124 on: October 07, 2007, 07:03:16 PM »
Another thought to share - maybe it is useful here:

I feel very strongly were are indeed dealing with three frequencies here - I should say pulse rate frequencies, sine, if you wish. Either way the result will be sine.
But not in the way I have seen discussed here (no I haven't read EVERY post so forgive me if I re-hash something).

My previous toys only required one base frequency. The 'Third' is the component of the base frequencies of the two separate coils (oddly enough after joining this forum I decided to fire-up in a low level mode and check.) Mine was not meant to be stable so the component varies wildly but centers in the Schumann range. The component is what did the dirty work but only lasted a few cycles before the caps were done.

Also the two bases were identical. One in the top coil and an opposite rotation but same frequency in the bottom coil (Phase and rotation difference only). The component was created by the two. All three wind up appearing in both coils. The two separate oscillators are connected in a multi-vibrator fashion.  So the two IGBT's never fire at exactly the same time. And yes, I use magnetostriction as the first step.

The object was to make separate sourced waves and any harmonics meet in a way to multiply the area of the resultant wave. Separate waves of the same source generally cancel. This was with the belief that a wave's energy is the square of its area. When such waves meet in this way you start squaring upon squaring and wind up with astronomical numbers. I have not tried this with transverse waves.

If nothing else this is a great way to explode caps and cause radios to quit  ;D

I didn't engineer in a means to automatically hold it back or follow the mechanical/resonance changes. The most I wanted was about three giant pulses.

The big difference I'm only now seeing - I have no means of collecting the organized (particles?) and keeping it just off-center for a continuous run.

I'm working on a solution for both......

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« Reply #125 on: October 07, 2007, 07:06:35 PM »
Water vortexes form because gravity has an effect on water.

Since gravity does not affect a magnetic field, how can gravity come into play in an electromagnetic device?

I'd like to answer that but I've already taken up too much forum space and need to get back to the bench.

For right now I'll just say it is only an opinion based upon past experiences. I mentioned it it the last dancing magnet thread and haven't been able to prove everything drilled into my head. -yet

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« Reply #126 on: October 07, 2007, 07:08:50 PM »
This is for whoever still thinks there is NOT a magnetic vortex at play in the TPU:

Here is a phrase from the famous Carl Hurst letter:

17: The imploding television story is very interesting.
Could Mark?s device be close to tapping into or creating such a powerful magnetic vortex?
Has he seen any evidence of magnetic attraction of any objects in or near the toroids?

Do you know the  very clear answer (bold and in capitals!!!) from SM???

here it is.... read it til you never forget again....

and #17: YES

nothing more nothing less......

Leaves only two options:
1. You don't believe SM or
2. There is a magnetic vortex at play.

regards,

Robert

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« Reply #126 on: October 07, 2007, 07:08:50 PM »
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« Reply #127 on: October 07, 2007, 08:01:50 PM »
hi  :)
as my memory serves me right there was also something about drawing a lens when velocity becomes extreme.
some people claim gravity itself is a electric/magnetic force.
i do not know what it is, but i do think it is convertible into another form or forms of energy.

is there anybody getting positive results or am i the only one seeing intresting things?

M.

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« Reply #128 on: October 07, 2007, 08:24:31 PM »

2. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of the tests that I have carried on the coils that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range

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9. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field that can be accelerated by applying harmonics.



I believe the first is SM and the second is Mannix.

It would appear from the style, that the entire quote is from Mannix. I know that these quotes are not in the SM material for sure. See Grumpy's original post of the enitre quote here: (Perhaps he remembers where he got it.)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1872.msg37186#msg37186

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #128 on: October 07, 2007, 08:24:31 PM »
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« Reply #129 on: October 07, 2007, 08:30:36 PM »
Water vortexes form because gravity has an effect on water.

If the Earth did not rotate, gravity alone would not cause any water vortexes.

Since gravity does not affect a magnetic field, how can gravity come into play in an electromagnetic device?

Do you understand that your body is NOT being attracted to planet Earth?
Do you understand that your body is being PUSHED to planet Earth by aether flow?

Do you understand that the Moon is NOT orbiting Earth because of mutual attraction balancing centrifugal force?
Can you visualize a thin flat stretched rubber sheet with planet Earth causing a deformation in this surface and in this indented cone the moon is rolling around?  Should the Moon's velocity increase it would rise up towards the rubber surface.  As the Moon's velocity increases further it continues up the cone until it reaches the rubber surface, at which point it no longer orbits the Earth, but flies off into space.  Astronomers call this escape velocity.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GRAVITATIONAL ATTRACTION.

Gravity is only a "symptom" of the flow of aether caused by space-time deformation.  Mass causes space-time to deform.
Electrostatic potential and electrodynamic rotation are know to cause space-time deformation.

This fictional term gravity can be equated to chariots pulling celestial bodies across the sky.  Gravity as two bodies attracting each other, as you think of it, does not exist.
Think of the 2-D rubber sheet example above, then wrap your mind around a 3-D version of it.  You will then be able to start understanding aether and space-time deformations.

Can you visualize in the 2-D rubber sheet example, that you are sitting on Earth's surface and your TPU with it's rotating vortex,   and all of a sudden the cone on which the Earth is depressed starts deforming.  First a little dimple, then a long finger, then it gets bigger and wow, the rubber surface stretches and forms a cone right into the center of your TPU.  The TPU has synthesized a virtual mass so great that it deforms space-time.

So yes, gravity can be involved in the TPU, even though gravity does not exist.  ;)

Regards, Earl

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« Reply #130 on: October 07, 2007, 09:17:53 PM »
If the Earth did not rotate, gravity alone would not cause any water vortexes.
Indeed water does not require the rotation of the earth to rotate into a vortex. As long as gravity is present, the water will form into a vortex on its own, but the vortex direction will be determined by chaotic imperfections in the holding container, and hence will be random on a case by case basis.

In fact, water can be "encouraged" to rotate in a direction opposite its natural tendency due to the earth's rotation, simply by stirring it up manually before "pulling the plug".

So for all intents and purposes, water will form into a vortex under the influence of a rotating earth or not...as long as "gravity" is present.

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Since gravity does not affect a magnetic field, how can gravity come into play in an electromagnetic device?

Do you understand that your body is NOT being attracted to planet Earth?
Do you understand that your body is being PUSHED to planet Earth by aether flow?

Do you understand that the Moon is NOT orbiting Earth because of mutual attraction balancing centrifugal force?
Can you visualize a thin flat stretched rubber sheet with planet Earth causing a deformation in this surface and in this indented cone the moon is rolling around?  Should the Moon's velocity increase it would rise up towards the rubber surface.  As the Moon's velocity increases further it continues up the cone until it reaches the rubber surface, at which point it no longer orbits the Earth, but flies off into space.  Astronomers call this escape velocity.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GRAVITATIONAL ATTRACTION.

Gravity is only a "symptom" of the flow of aether caused by space-time deformation.  Mass causes space-time to deform.
Electrostatic potential and electrodynamic rotation are know to cause space-time deformation.

This fictional term gravity can be equated to chariots pulling celestial bodies across the sky.  Gravity as two bodies attracting each other, as you think of it, does not exist.
Think of the 2-D rubber sheet example above, then wrap your mind around a 3-D version of it.  You will then be able to start understanding aether and space-time deformations.

Can you visualize in the 2-D rubber sheet example, that you are sitting on Earth's surface and your TPU with it's rotating vortex,   and all of a sudden the cone on which the Earth is depressed starts deforming.  First a little dimple, then a long finger, then it gets bigger and wow, the rubber surface stretches and forms a cone right into the center of your TPU.  The TPU has synthesized a virtual mass so great that it deforms space-time.

So yes, gravity can be involved in the TPU, even though gravity does not exist.  ;)

Regards, Earl

Call "gravity" whatever you wish; its effect is what matters, and the fact that gravity has no significant effect on electromagnetics,  can only mean the TPU does not operate on any principles involving gravity.

I'd be happy to entertain the idea of a gravity-magnetism interaction, and if you were able to intelligently elaborate on one, you'd surely be up for a Nobel prize.

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« Reply #131 on: October 07, 2007, 10:03:51 PM »
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« Reply #132 on: October 08, 2007, 01:51:16 AM »
Interesting arguments - all. I'll put my two cents in just to hear the change jingle.

Yes, you can stir it the wrong direction and it will go down the drain still rotating that direction. However, if you have enough flow to watch at some point the vortex loose momentum and will correct the direction and wind up rotating the way it would have without interference. I don't remember how old I was when I tried this but I was short enough to watch it happen in a milk carrier. That would probably put me around 6 or 7.

I remember watching a PBS show about slow motion photography. Some of the examples were dealing with water flow. One showed water being pumped out a spigot that was miles from the pump. When they showed slow-mo it was obviously coming out in pulses. The explanation was the pulse rate was that of the pump.
The same show displayed how water always has rotation when travelling through a hose even when the pump used a piston. I remember asking an ME why the coolant pumps in the plant all ran the same direction. He looked at me like I was stupid and said all pumps run in that direction unless you need it south of the equator. At that point I thought he was the one that was stupid.

Maybe I'm the one still stupid.

The point is everything - down to the particle level IS rotation. One of my favorite rants 'there is no such thing as a straight line'.

This energy I'm after is disorganized and therefore null. I need to organize it by stirring the pot the right direction. Once it is all spinning the right direction it becomes potential. In order to use that potential I need to suddenly redirect it. Since it is not possible to add or subtract from this potential I can only convert some of it by forcing a sudden change in direction.

This is amazingly simple after rotation is achieved. You just add a biased solenoid type coil at the point where the opposite rotations of the vortex meet (notice I used a singular form). The magnetic field (lack of a better word) causes the traveling particle/charge/spin to exit vertical E field at a right angle - right through the coil windings. Once in the winding's field it happily jumps in line with the current already flowing in the coil.

Against the rules induction does occur.

BTW

@Earl

When you pull that plug on the virtual drain (TPU). You better duck because not only is it draining from above but also below. And where does the dirty water go? Out the sides and drenches you ;)
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My bench time today was fruitful. I now have a control coil that will only create a 'squeeze' in one direction. The function tests well as standalone. I can't wait to put it on my EMP frame but the new coil set is still in the etching tank.

What is a TPU? A wavewatcher EMP ran in reverse with a collector added and a few ounces of batteries instead of a couple hundred pounds of caps and batteries  ;D

The control coil is dirt simple and I believe some folks have used variations of it so ask if interested.

ALL of the above is my opinion. When I have a working TPU that doesn't kill me I'll stick it all on a jump drive and upload when I get to civilization. Until then or some fantastic discovery I'll not wade through server disconnects and hours of connect time for a couple of photos. 

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« Reply #133 on: October 08, 2007, 02:35:56 AM »
BEP,

Of course we're interested.

If you wouldn't mind, a description and small drawing of what you are doing with this control coil would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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« Reply #134 on: October 08, 2007, 03:02:26 AM »
BEP,

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This energy I'm after is disorganized and therefore null. I need to organize it by stirring the pot the right direction. Once it is all spinning the right direction it becomes potential. In order to use that potential I need to suddenly redirect it. Since it is not possible to add or subtract from this potential I can only convert some of it by forcing a sudden change in direction.

This is amazingly simple after rotation is achieved. You just add a biased solenoid type coil at the point where the opposite rotations of the vortex meet (notice I used a singular form). The magnetic field (lack of a better word) causes the traveling particle/charge/spin to exit vertical E field at a right angle - right through the coil windings. Once in the winding's field it happily jumps in line with the current already flowing in the coil.

Against the rules induction does occur.

Is this picture similar to what you are thinking here?
Picture source: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/magvtx.htm

Naudin goes on to explore tapping this energy by placing pickup coils at the vertex:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/dvtgv1.htm

So you would place a solenoid where Naudin has his pickup coils?

 

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