Hi Robert.
I agree with you on all counts, but consider this:
1) Are the kicks created by the RMF, or is the RMF created by the kicks?
2) The kicks and RMF are not necessarily co-dependent ;)
Why have they done all this?
Two reasons immediately come to mind:
1) To protect UEC's IP investment.
2) Because the device's technology is perhaps new and novel, but not that difficult or complicated.
It can't be that difficult or complicated. LOOK AT THE DEVICES! I would even go out on a limb and say that most folks are achieving overkill in terms of complexity and "drive power".
Cheers,
Darren
wattsup.
I have no doubts about the authenticity of SM and the TPU, therefore I am not the best person to be discussing "fake" theories with.
In regards to the use of the "primary" and "secondary" frequencies, I've mentioned this before, but no one seems to catch on.
The minimum number of collectors for a working TPU is one. The first TPU1 unit has one collector, one feedback coil. The TPU2 unit has 4 collectors and 4 feedback coils (4 TPU1's integrated into one package). The cut TPU had 2 collectors, but I am uncertain of how many feedback coils it had. The larger 17" TPU most likely has 2 collectors as well, judging by the fact that two feedback coils are present (the two small toroids).
So the TPU17 contains 2 separate TPU units in one package. Each operates at its own set of 3 frequencies. All 6 frequencies are related. This is for better control of higher power units. Primary frequencies = F1, F2, F3; Secondary frequencies = F4, F5, F6.
You could have as many collector coils or complete separate units that you like in one package, but it would become increasingly difficult to control. 3 units is probably a practical maximum, but certainly not required to make it operational.
I like this re-assesment of the TPU Darren. We need to do that once in a while.
We need to step back and re-assess what we know.
We need to step back and re-assess the theories.
We need to step back and re-view the videos.
Periodicaly!!! LOL :)
EM
In one of the videos, SM says that the unit vibrates at 7.3 Hz
Can you tell a 7.1 Hz vibration from a 7.4 Hz vibration?
I can't, and neither can SM, so why does he say 7.3 Hz?
Possibilities:
1) He measured it with a scope/transducer, etc..
2) He quotes the number since it's the Schumann resonance (or close to it) AND HIS TPU WAS DESIGNED TO TAP THAT FREQUENCY
EM
I am certain SM measured 7.3 Hz, and was not saying this because it happens to be close to the SR.
I like Marco, and respect his work, but I am not convinced his magnet demo illustrates tapping the SR. There have been no replications I know of supporting this notion, and Marco himself has not demonstrated the same effect and frequency with different mass magnets. Until such time, I don't buy into this tapping effect at all.
It is curious however that the 7.3 Hz and 5-6 kHz frequencies are specifically quoted by SM. Clues from his material does not suggest these frequencies are applied by the controller. Perhaps they manifest as an artifact of the actual applied frequencies and how they interact in the coils.
The ferromagnetic materials used in magnetostrictive position sensors are transition metals such as iron, nickel, and cobalt. In these metals, the 3d electron shell is not completely filled, which allows the formation of a magnetic moment. (i.e., the shells closer to the nucleus than the 3d shell arc complete, and they do not contribute to the magnetic moment). As electron spins are rotated by a magnetic field, coupling between the electron spin and electron orbit causes electron energies to change. The crystal then strains so that electrons at the surface can relax to states of lower energy. When a material has positive magnetostriction, it enlarges when placed in a magnetic field; with negative magnetostriction, the material shrinks. The amount of magnetostriction in base elements and simple alloys is small, on the order of 10-6 m/m.
I am certain SM measured 7.3 Hz, and was not saying this because it happens to be close to the SR.
I like Marco, and respect his work, but I am not convinced his magnet demo illustrates tapping the SR. There have been no replications I know of supporting this notion, and Marco himself has not demonstrated the same effect and frequency with different mass magnets. Until such time, I don't buy into this tapping effect at all.
It is curious however that the 7.3 Hz and 5-6 kHz frequencies are specifically quoted by SM. Clues from his material does not suggest these frequencies are applied by the controller. Perhaps they manifest as an artifact of the actual applied frequencies and how they interact in the coils.
An important characteristic of a wire made of a
magnetostrictive material is the Wiedemann effect (see
Figure 2). When an axial magnetic field is applied to a
magnetostrictive wire, and a current is passed through
the wire, a twisting occurs at the location of the axial
magnetic field. The twisting is caused by interaction of
the axial magnetic field, usually from a permanent
magnet, with the magnetic field along the magnetostrictive
wire, which is present due to the current in the wire.
The current is applied as a short-duration pulse, -1 or
2 µs; the minimum current density is along the center
of the wire and the maximum at the wire surface. This
is due to the skin effect.
Ok, guys,
This is very important. I think I found the foundation article for the TPU, related to the theory of Magnetostriciton.
I sure hope this is it !!!
So many clues relate here. Iron wire. Vibrations. Kicks (as in physical motion), cork to dampen vibrations in the 17" TPU, etc..
I'm starting a massive effort to investigate these principles, for they relate electric waves and mass waves (acousting sound in wire) which travel at approximately 3000 m/s, orders of magnitude slower then EM waves, so we can resonate easily at LOW SCHUMANN FREQUENCIES and tap into the earth magnetic field, like SM says. :)
Here's a picture from the article, and the article itself.
EM
Here's a better explanation of the OPEN TPU.
EM
Oh my God, tao, check this out,
In the video he says he uses 6000 Hz
From the video it looks like the TPU has a diameter of about 16 cm
Circumference = pi x 16 cm = 50.27 cm = 0.503 meters
Now,
Assuming the approximate 3000 m/s acoustic speed in iron
wavelength@6khz = [ 3000 m/s ] / [ 6000 Hz ] = 0.5 meters
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Same result man, he is using ONE FULL WAVELENGTH RESONANCE !!!!
What a confirmation, wow. I'm hooked man.
EM
Guys, this is a team effort and I have to say, we mentioned magnetostriction before, but for some reason never pursued it or got excited about it, at least I didn't.
At this point I would feel confident enough to say that we might have figured out the modality, the phenomena, the physics, if you will, that are at work in the TPU, and that is ACOUSTIC RESONANCE induced through MAGNETOSTRICITON.
Now, the rest of the story needs to be figured out. What do we do with a resonating ring? With 4 coils off in phase by 90, 180, 270, 360? (in the case of the open TPU at least)
How do we tie it all together? Where is the energy coming from? Schumann? Quite possible Schumann. We are resonating so low now, that we can couple into a harmonic of Schumann.
I'm already experimenting and I realized a strange heating effect. I previously used the same Blocking oscilator to resonate at around 5 kHz but there was hardly any heating effect. (I can change the frequency by bringing a magnet into the proximity of the inductor)
EM
SM stated early on that there was "no iron" in the core of the TPU and that the core wires (collectors) are copper.
It makes a lot of sense tao, like in the TPU schematic I posted that's what I was thinking. It could be just that, fast motion of coils through a magnetic field. And since the whole thing is supposed to vibrate anyway, any RETARDING effect from this induction, will just resonate it some more :) Basicaly the resonating ring is free floating, and you know what, it could be affected by GRAVITY. Any free floating vibrating ring will be !!!!
Oh, and in the videos SM also says something about induction (after the blanked out portion in the UEC video towards the end of the tape)
@ Grumpy, if that is true, then the iron wire is around the circumference. It can work both ways. Copper inside, Iron on the outside, or iron inside, copper around the outside. :)
I'm excited now about the open TPU. The magnetic beast !!!
EM
I always thought that duplicating the Open TPU was the best idea, because that was the only one we could really SEE INTO ;).
That means if you deform the material it produces a voltage.
It's the same stuff as piezo effects with electric fields, except this is magnetic phenomena.
EM
September 27, 2006
It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship
between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of
the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking
field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to
have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I
remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"
Hello Mac, (short for Macedonia)
I am sorry if I am slow to understand what you are saying, so please let me ask you to be more precise.
Are you saying;
[snip]
Now I know you have the answer to starting the current flow with your coil and Buzz11 diode system, as I had indirectly eluded to this when I said pulse the current from the inducutors at 120k, into a cap, but I would like to know where you can get enough power to run an RF Generator and what this will do in the system.
I had thought that the great inspectors that have looked at SM's devices had checked for any RF or other wave or signal emmanations and I do not remember any of them saying this to be so.
And why are you talking about the atom bomb?MAC is talking about an uncontrollable energy avalanche.
And why are you saying SM is like Tesla. Tesla brought his products and inventions to the world, openly patented them and we use them today. SM hid his device from the world and we are not using them today. There is a very big difference. I am sure if Tesla was alive today, with the communication as it is, he would be on the internet explaining every little aspect of his systems, his knowledge, etc., and we would not have to play guessing games until the moon turns blue. I don't think you can put them on the same stage.
I'll not dig for it because I'm sure someone knows the exact stansa and verse but wasn't there a reference to methods of using magnetic fields to 'image' objects? Say MRI? Do you know where that banging noise comes from when your head is in there?
@ BEP
It's true about the magnet doing the same as DC bias, but in a ring how do you use it Longitudinally ?
Here's a better explanation of the OPEN TPU.
EM
[snip]
3. Waves of magnetostrictive movement can follow standard wave functions - like interference, summation, cancellation, harmonics, FFT, etc.
At least #3 is the only way I can explain why I pump high freeks in and it buzzes below 60Hz.
PS - I think EMDevices was on the right track with this post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.msg48900#msg48900
PS - I think EMDevices was on the right track with this post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.msg48900#msg48900
Agreed then and now to "A varying E-field in a vertical plane will give rise to a magnetic field that circulates around the E-field vectors".
Do we all realize that the reverse is true? A circulating magnetic field will give rise to a varying E-field in a vertical plane centered on that circulating magnetic field.
I don't have to think about it. I turned it off back in March. What do you think got me branded a heretic, even in an OU forum?
Slow watches, light shifts, waveguides, EMP devices - should I go on?
I don't recall Freedomfuel saying he built and tested anything like the TPU. Does anyone know if he did?
If he didn't, I wonder what could have caused his sudden aversion to TPU research?
If he did experiment, I guess the reason is obvious.
It was meant to be a sort of Manhattan-type project where SM was supposed to PERSONALLY show up and guide us, as long as the forum was secure enough, which it was. But, SM never showed, due in part to his one letter about his meeting with gov officials which scared him to death.
@tao
What letter about his meeting with government officials? Can you post a link to it?
So SM bottled, yet again, amazing! Makes you wonder if he really did use batteries... In the time since the original grainy videos were posted here far more progress has been made on how he might have faked them than anything else? The Pied Piper anyone?
I know we should not expect him to give the TPU to us on a plate, but after all the stuff in his letters to mannix regarding his respect for UEC and their rights, and now we find out this... it seems somewhat hypocritical and like he is just arsing everyone around with BS. Since it also appears that he has tried to obscure the working of the TPU, as much as explain it, as well as purposefully obscuring the design of his devices by adding false components on some of them...
In his letters to mannix he states he will supply a coil diagram... well he didn't...
At some point he should put up or shut up... but then he appears to have shut up, no surprises there... it is a shame the weakest link is right at the start!
Acerzw
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.
a very interesting discussion here.
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.
a very interesting discussion here.
@Earl
@ALL
This may be of interest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_array
I repeated my earlier experiment that produced very low frequency from a much higher single frequency. I was able to make adjustments that brought the unexpected pulse down to an easy 1 (one) Hertz. Then I blew another precious 2N3055 :o
Core = a loose bundle of iron rods actual size about 16 ga.
jammed into two coils of wire (plastic spools)
A very basic feedback oscillator. Scope frequency drifted around 2.5 kHz
I changed the spacing between the coils for maximum 'thump' on the bench and then adjusted base voltage.
Changing base voltage (also current through the collector coil) changed the frequency of the thump.
My mistake in not understanding why the low freek was because I was still thinking electrons instead of sounds and vibrations.
Regardless, obtaining very low frequencies (very strong ones also) from higher frequencies that have little harmonics or noise happens very well this way.
Esa,
That was the only reference to the importance of the meduim of air and it was in reply to alternate cooling methods that were discussed. I suggested using teflon hollow tube with refrigerant gas as a cooling method and it was agreed that it could be a good solution that was not yet explored.
It does suggest that during full operation the control coils may be vibrating back and forth on the collector.
wether it is 7.3 ,5000,or 35,000 who knows? They get hot..and NOT as a by product of current drawn...counter intuitive ...I Know !
I have always been convinced that it is the tpu config which is the "active" component.
Smashing slow dirty pulses of random spectrum square waves will just create noise.
Sine...or perhaps a ramp signal (as in tv scan coils) (as in a discharging cap) can be the only method of excitation as far as I can see. and i wont mention the devices that must be used to experiment with here.
Lindsay
OOPS.... I was not aware of comment 32, which when taken with the fact that the TPU did not work in bath, make it seem highly likely that the TPU will not operate reliably for an extended period of time and therefore is not likely to be able to be used as a continuous power generation device.
If this problem cannot be overcome then the value of the TPU will be severely diminished when compared to other OU devices...
SM seems to imply that the vibration and gyroscopics effect are a necessary side effect of a properly working TPU, if this is the case this heat and vibration will indeed cause the material of the TPU coil to degrade over time and fail....
This is not a good development...
Really hope this can be overcome, though I have my doubts... otherwise a serious waste of effort by many, but probably enough learnt here for many to produce viable OU devices that do not rely on this particular destructive effect...
Does anyone know what the maximum running time for the various size TPU's were before catastrophic failure was likely to occur/did occur?
Acerzw, hoping this is a pessimistic post which is not true...
Computers heat up too, even to self destructive levels. I don't think it's very practical compared to other electronic devices.
Point being: Use the power from the tpu to power it's own cooling mechanism. Problem Solved. ;)
and i wont mention the devices that must be used to experiment with here.
Lindsay
Heater elements were made of many different things but most would be excellent magnetostrictive metals. And guess what? Like GK says 'the light is a residual effect' and so is the heat. The first thing that happens when you apply current to the heater is it has a sudden increase in length - then it glows. What about the required magnetic field you say? It is a current carrying wire - and the tube is a mini particle accelerator. What else do you want?
If it gets hot - SO WHAT? Heat is energy. I'll make use of it.
Bash the inventor - Already been done - wasting forum space IS MY JOB!
Only searching for the truth? Good - so am I.
Witholding information for personal gain sucks. Witholding information to prevent harm is bad enough.
@Tao
Answering your questions - My comments in blue:
Where did you source your iron rods from, are they pure iron?
They are from bundles of marking flags sold in a hardware store. The diameter is a little over 2mm. They are somewhat stiff but brittle. I am sure they are just a very low quality steel. The bundle length is about 15 inches an diameter about 1.2 inches (fits in the spool center)
Am I to take it that you feedback power through your simple oscillator and your 2n3055 blew? Or did it blow simply because of too much driving power? :)
In this case I'm sure it blew because of overdrive or flyback. Base bias was just a variable resistor from the collector pin. PS current stayed under 1A. Voltage applied was 3.5DC. Collector coil is a 800ft. spool of 22ga. magnet wire. Feedback coil is a 1200ft. spool of 24ga. magnet wire. The 22ga. coil was between the collector pin and B+. The 24ga. coil is between B- and a capacitor (.1mfd) the cap is then connected to the transitor base. A dirt simple 'blow me up circuit'
How strong were those 1 Hz thumps? Just wondering...
The bundle has some weight to it. Movement was axial and radial. Axial movement was enough to feel with fingers. Radial movement would have broken sheet glass from a common window.
I must say, the parametric array, and even more so, a simple ring formed of iron wire with driving coil(s) around it, driving a lower frequency 'longitudinal' 'sound/vibration' through the iron ring and at key successive moments when the LAST sound/vibration made its way back to its starting point, another was generated/driven into the iron so that these longitudinal sounds/vibrations ADDED, certainly would seem to related directly to our old friend the Hungarian: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3068.0.html
Yes. The Hungarian again. I have no doubt his work can explain most of this - if not all.
Kicks from a vacuum tube?
I don't know what any books say as the ones referenced were not found by me but think about this:
A simple rectifier (get those dirty little SS thoughts out of your mind - TUBES) Even more simple than most would think of - I'm saying 'hot cathode'. That means the heater element is the only cathode - no metal sheath around it - no separate connection for the cathode. The only two elements in the tube are the plate and the heater.
Heater elements were made of many different things but most would be excellent magnetostrictive metals. And guess what? Like GK says 'the light is a residual effect' and so is the heat. The first thing that happens when you apply current to the heater is it has a sudden increase in length - then it glows. What about the required magnetic field you say? It is a current carrying wire - and the tube is a mini particle accelerator. What else do you want?
How does the heater voltage appear on the plate signal? Because the heater was AC. Hot cathode tubes were nasty amplifiers until some tricky LC heater circuits were done AND the separate cathode was introduced. The alternating heater current would modulate the plate signal ? and sometimes create a feedback loop, a great source of harmonics.
Anybody with some age has experienced this kick. Scopes are one-eyed monsters. Don?t let then ?narrow YOUR bandwidth?. You old folks remember the ?WUMPF? sound when you turned on the old tube radio? The heaters were not lit at that point!
How about now when you?re driving and some idiot has his stereo too loud? All you hear is ?THUMP-THUMP?THUMP-THUMP?. And when the fool cracks his window the thumping noise goes away but you notice it wasn?t the same rhythm of his music.
If it gets hot - SO WHAT? Heat is energy. I'll make use of it.
Bash the inventor - Already been done - wasting forum space IS MY JOB!
Only searching for the truth? Good - so am I.
Witholding information for personal gain sucks. Witholding information to prevent harm is bad enough.
*** To everyone:Are we aiming to develop a "highly-evolved" TPU or just the TPU a la Mark? C'mon, crawl before you walk.
stop with all the preconceptions everyone!! Just bc SM made a TPU with heat as a byproduct doesn't mean a highly evolved TPU technology will also have heat; it is NOT a necessity.
either SM is a very very poor explainer; or he is very very good at misleading. So think OUTSIDE the box!!!! :oI'm afraid it is a case of neither. Your own inability to understand is what the problem is here.
devilzangel
TPU heat is not a problem. We can make many TPUs then connect to the load via an automatic switch. The switch controller will select the coolest TPU among them to the load.
2. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of the tests that I have carried on the coils that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
AND
9. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field that can be accelerated by applying harmonics.
Regarding the upside down turn off phenomena, I'm not realy sure why that happens?
and it sounds like SM didn't either. Once we duplicate this thing we'll be able to experiment and find out why.
EM
Regarding the upside down turn off phenomena, I'm not realy sure why that happens?
and it sounds like SM didn't either. Once we duplicate this thing we'll be able to experiment and find out why.
EM
The upside down turn off phenomena is because of Gravity's interaction.
This is also responsible for the weight loss and it is a result of the proper wing design.
M.
Those that subscribe to the notion that a magnetic vortex is one major aspect of the device's operation, know that gravity does not come into play here.
[snip]
Water vortexes form because gravity has an effect on water.
Since gravity does not affect a magnetic field, how can gravity come into play in an electromagnetic device?
2. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of the tests that I have carried on the coils that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
AND
9. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field that can be accelerated by applying harmonics.
I believe the first is SM and the second is Mannix.
Water vortexes form because gravity has an effect on water.
Since gravity does not affect a magnetic field, how can gravity come into play in an electromagnetic device?
If the Earth did not rotate, gravity alone would not cause any water vortexes.Indeed water does not require the rotation of the earth to rotate into a vortex. As long as gravity is present, the water will form into a vortex on its own, but the vortex direction will be determined by chaotic imperfections in the holding container, and hence will be random on a case by case basis.
Since gravity does not affect a magnetic field, how can gravity come into play in an electromagnetic device?
Do you understand that your body is NOT being attracted to planet Earth?
Do you understand that your body is being PUSHED to planet Earth by aether flow?
Do you understand that the Moon is NOT orbiting Earth because of mutual attraction balancing centrifugal force?
Can you visualize a thin flat stretched rubber sheet with planet Earth causing a deformation in this surface and in this indented cone the moon is rolling around? Should the Moon's velocity increase it would rise up towards the rubber surface. As the Moon's velocity increases further it continues up the cone until it reaches the rubber surface, at which point it no longer orbits the Earth, but flies off into space. Astronomers call this escape velocity.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GRAVITATIONAL ATTRACTION.
Gravity is only a "symptom" of the flow of aether caused by space-time deformation. Mass causes space-time to deform.
Electrostatic potential and electrodynamic rotation are know to cause space-time deformation.
This fictional term gravity can be equated to chariots pulling celestial bodies across the sky. Gravity as two bodies attracting each other, as you think of it, does not exist.
Think of the 2-D rubber sheet example above, then wrap your mind around a 3-D version of it. You will then be able to start understanding aether and space-time deformations.
Can you visualize in the 2-D rubber sheet example, that you are sitting on Earth's surface and your TPU with it's rotating vortex, and all of a sudden the cone on which the Earth is depressed starts deforming. First a little dimple, then a long finger, then it gets bigger and wow, the rubber surface stretches and forms a cone right into the center of your TPU. The TPU has synthesized a virtual mass so great that it deforms space-time.
So yes, gravity can be involved in the TPU, even though gravity does not exist. ;)
Regards, Earl
This energy I'm after is disorganized and therefore null. I need to organize it by stirring the pot the right direction. Once it is all spinning the right direction it becomes potential. In order to use that potential I need to suddenly redirect it. Since it is not possible to add or subtract from this potential I can only convert some of it by forcing a sudden change in direction.
This is amazingly simple after rotation is achieved. You just add a biased solenoid type coil at the point where the opposite rotations of the vortex meet (notice I used a singular form). The magnetic field (lack of a better word) causes the traveling particle/charge/spin to exit vertical E field at a right angle - right through the coil windings. Once in the winding's field it happily jumps in line with the current already flowing in the coil.
Against the rules induction does occur.
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.
a very interesting discussion here.
The point is everything - down to the particle level IS rotation.
is there anybody getting positive results or am i the only one seeing intresting things?
So you would place a solenoid where Naudin has his pickup coils?
@BEP, I'll be right behind you in those experiments. Good thinking in the design. Using multiple thin Iron wires in a bundle will keep down the eddy current losses and the HEAT. The low 1 Hz resonance is amazing. I was getting 120 Hz, but I deduced it was comming from the grid through my transformer (overloaded) :) I need to start using batteries.
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.What were the TPU preparations for the test ?
The destructive heating caused by the eddy currents ,Look like scaling up could be a problem, but it is also present in the smaller TPUs.
become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil.
If the Earth did not rotate, gravity alone would not cause any water vortexes.
Indeed water does not require the rotation of the earth to rotate into a vortex. As long as gravity is present, the water will form into a vortex on its own, but the vortex direction will be determined by chaotic imperfections in the holding container, and hence will be random on a case by case basis.
In fact, water can be "encouraged" to rotate in a direction opposite its natural tendency due to the earth's rotation, simply by stirring it up manually before "pulling the plug".
So for all intents and purposes, water will form into a vortex under the influence of a rotating earth or not...as long as "gravity" is present.
Call "gravity" whatever you wish; its effect is what matters, .......
... and the fact that gravity has no significant effect on electromagnetics, can only mean the TPU does not operate on any principles involving gravity.
hi :)
as my memory serves me right there was also something about drawing a lens when velocity becomes extreme.
some people claim gravity itself is a electric/magnetic force.
i do not know what it is, but i do think it is convertible into another form or forms of energy.
is there anybody getting positive results or am i the only one seeing intresting things?
M.
It boggles my mind. SM has already provided enough information and clues as to the underlying principle and folks either ignore it or are totally oblivious to it.
The method how TPU converts energy from external magnetic field is done by taking a precession energy from electron, when electron is wobbling under phonon pulse. Sharp phonon pulse comes from magnetostrictive material, when control coils makes an magnetic field around composite core material, that includes both ferromagnetic and magnetostrictive particles.....Esa Manu
It boggles my mind. SM has already provided enough information and clues as to the underlying principle and folks either ignore it or are totally oblivious to it.
@Esa Maunu
Have you seen any of your statement proven or repeated parts on a work bench? (Now I sound like you guys when I came bursting on!)
All of what you say is old information here. The question is - Can you put it in practice and document all of it so others can benefit?
Also - I have a fair amount of experience with SEGs. I haven't found a one that worked or been able to reproduce a working model from the information available.
What I have found is that some of the theory pans out but most of it is a flight into theology.
hi :)
as my memory serves me right there was also something about drawing a lens when velocity becomes extreme.
some people claim gravity itself is a electric/magnetic force.
i do not know what it is, but i do think it is convertible into another form or forms of energy.
is there anybody getting positive results or am i the only one seeing intresting things?
M.
Hi Marco.
What kind of things are you seeing and what is your setup?
TPU heat is not a problem. We can make many TPUs then connect to the load via an automatic switch. The switch controller will select the coolest TPU among them to the load.
Exactly what I was thinking before. If for instance we HAD to live with the HEAT 'problem', we could easily use this technique as a sure fire method to avoid the HEAT issue, disregarding what you could use that HEAT energy for....
So, say a TPU could run for 1 hour and then it would get too hot, then you had to let it cool for 30 minutes for it to return to normal temp, you could just use two TPUs, run one for 1 hour, then switch to the other TPU which will run for another hour, and once that second TPU is ready to 'cool off', the first TPU would have already been cool for 30 minutes, so it would be very easy to switch back again. If it was the case that the cooling time was longer than the running time, you could just use 3 TPUs, which would easily solve that timing problem.
In regard to using the HEAT, that are A LOT of ways to USE the HEAT energy that is coming off a TPU, thereby cooling it enough to run forever.
Either way it's done, the HEAT 'issue' isn't really one...
It was an issue for SM because he was only considering the TPU in and of itself, without heat transmuting additions or multiples TPUs, he was only considering any single TPU device, in and of itself, so FOR SM, and his mindset of looking at the TPU like so, the heat 'issue' is an issue...
TPU heat is not a problem. We can make many TPUs then connect to the load via an automatic switch. The switch controller will select the coolest TPU among them to the load.
Exactly what I was thinking before. If for instance we HAD to live with the HEAT 'problem', we could easily use this technique as a sure fire method to avoid the HEAT issue, disregarding what you could use that HEAT energy for....
So, say a TPU could run for 1 hour and then it would get too hot, then you had to let it cool for 30 minutes for it to return to normal temp, you could just use two TPUs, run one for 1 hour, then switch to the other TPU which will run for another hour, and once that second TPU is ready to 'cool off', the first TPU would have already been cool for 30 minutes, so it would be very easy to switch back again. If it was the case that the cooling time was longer than the running time, you could just use 3 TPUs, which would easily solve that timing problem.
In regard to using the HEAT, that are A LOT of ways to USE the HEAT energy that is coming off a TPU, thereby cooling it enough to run forever.
Either way it's done, the HEAT 'issue' isn't really one...
It was an issue for SM because he was only considering the TPU in and of itself, without heat transmuting additions or multiples TPUs, he was only considering any single TPU device, in and of itself, so FOR SM, and his mindset of looking at the TPU like so, the heat 'issue' is an issue...
@tao
This is probably one of the most insane ideas that I have ever come across on this site! The main appeal of the TPU is its small portable size and simplicity, the above is a practical solution to the problem of heat but totally negates the point of the TPU, imagine carrying four TPU's around!
You might as well use a mechanical OU device instead which would be much safer than a TPU which can catastrophically fail without any notice due to external influences. Remember the exploding TV, a TPU even with a decent control circuit can fail unpredictably in such a manner without any warning!
It boggles my mind. SM has already provided enough information and clues as to the underlying principle and folks either ignore it or are totally oblivious to it.
I hate to start something but what really boggles my mind are statements like that. Yes. I've made them too. But now that I think about it if all the clues are there then someone, out of the billions that live here, would have a working device - not just claimed but one that is verifiable.
Same goes for the BB devices and I'm sure many others.
i have a setup like a jet turbine.
when i put energy into the system, it starts to rotate, it also speeds up depending on the amount of energy i put in.
when i flip over the device and apply the same amount of energy ,it does nothing.
when i reverse the polarity of the energy i apply, it works in reverse.
the potential is concentrated exactly around the circumference so this would be the best place for the collector since i did not put one in yet.
i will try to do so comming weekend.
if my findings are correct the right rotation is counter clockwise horizontal and up vertical.
however im not totally sure because i do not see how these will slap each other...
the images i am seeing are becomming quite clear lately.
but i have this lonely feeling about how much people are actually trying to solve this puzzle by experimenting in stead of theorizing.
if i do find the awnser, i do not know how to proceed...
it's like it is laying in front of me, i only need to put it together, and this i can do anytime i want to.
M.
I'm realy stuck on this simpler LINEAR concept derived from the TPU, can't you tell? LOL :)
If this doesn't work, then we know it has to be the CIRCULAR nature of the TPU, that makes it work.
Here's a simpler setup then my previous one. Just a rod with magnets attached at the end. The magnets also BIAS the Iron. :)
How much simpler can one get?
EM
@EM & TAO
@tao, your idea is clearly insane, if you do not desire the TPU to be portable why bother working on it! There are many other much more efficient and reliable mechanical OU devices (and yes a TPU is mechanical for the reasons given above) which can serve the same purpose as a non-portable TPU for instance:
http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device09-2.htm
Acerzw
The most insane ideas, ey? Who said anything about carrying it around? I didn't...
Mine was a SIMPLE example as to how you could solve the HEATING problem of the TPUs in the MOST OBVIOUS WAY, nothing more nothing less.
And, since his 6" TPU weighed only 1 pound, having 2 or 3 TPUs would only make that at around 2 to 3 pounds.
SM said that the HEAT issue was a real problem, so, if he resorted to water cooling, you can damn well bet he tried air cooling with a fan and such. SM insinuated that the HEAT issue was a sort of byproduct of the conversion process, and that eddy currents were in effect also related to the conversion process. Since this is the case, the HEATing problem is almost INTERNAL to the actual conversion elements, and hence hard to COOL. So, my SIMPLE and OBVIOUS example of using 2 or more TPUs, WOULD 100% solve the TPU heating problem a la SM's own words and admissions about how he dealt with the heating problems and how and why they occur.
So, to call my idea insane, is in itself insane, because my SOLUTION is OBVIOUS, and is 100% workable as a SOLUTION...
thanks tao, I belive we should see a drop in input energy at any kind of resonance, but even if that doesn't happen, I'm counting on that powerfull expansion and contraction due to magnetostriciton. This phenomena is like an AMPLIFIER. With little magnetic field we can align a bunch of domains, and hence produce a ton of force. That's why the magnetic constant of these feromagnetic materials is so high (in the thousands).
The only thing that complicates things in this linear concept is the MUTUAL coupling between the input coil and output coils. That's why I show the spacers between the magnet and iron rod. The larger the spacer the less we have to worry about this mutual coupling. It might be good it might be bad, I don't know at this point.
With a CIRCULAR setup we don't need to worry about this, because all the flux is TRAPED by the toroid.
The vibrating ring in LONGITUDINAL MODE, basicaly expands and contract, changing it's radius.
Oh well, I'll experiment with the linear model first and then move on to circular, like the open TPU.
EM
Magnetostriction does not occur in the coil, and this is not what causes the heating. Read SM's material.
A fan will not help as SM stated, the heat can be radiated away, but the heat is caused by mechanical stresses in the coil, presumably due to its expansion and retraction because of magnetorestriction, which degrade its material over time.
A single TPU cannot run for a prolonged period of time because of the degradation of the coil material, of which the heat is a by-product. Removing the heat with any form of cooling device will not make a TPU reliable, the heat does not cause the damage, the heat is a result of the damage being caused.The heat problem is caused by eddy currents. Read SM's material.
This demonstrates the first fundamental flaw in the TPU's design, because of the mechanical effect that it utilises, it has an unavoidable mechanical mode of failure, despite being 'solid state'. It just flexes rather than rotates, in effect it is a linear motor and will eventually fail like one.The mechanical effect may only be a by-product of the conversion process. There is no iron in the TPU aside from the ferrite cores, so magnetostriction is unlikely the cause.
What comes out of this group will not be covered by any TPU patents if they exist, because in essence it cannot and will not be a TPU! 8)What is a TPU? What would preclude a successful working device here from being the true TPU?
@tao, your idea is clearly insane, if you do not desire the TPU to be portable why bother working on it! There are many other much more efficient and reliable mechanical OU devices (and yes a TPU is mechanical for the reasons given above) which can serve the same purpose as a non-portable TPU for instance:You're basing this statement on the assumption the TPU operates using magnetostricition, AND that the coils degrade due to mechanical stresses. If the TPU does not operate using MS, (and imo it does not) and there are no mechanical stresses on the coils (imo there are none), then tao's proposed solution is 100% plausible.
You talk as if there are all these already working OU devices that are readably available for use, lol. Do you have any concrete designs for any of those? Any comments from the inventors? That link is to Don Smith's page, and has been there for a long time, good luck getting any information from him...
Question. Why is an alternating current of 6000 hertz considered DC?
You talk as if there are all these already working OU devices that are readably available for use, lol. Do you have any concrete designs for any of those? Any comments from the inventors? That link is to Don Smith's page, and has been there for a long time, good luck getting any information from him...
@tao, I beg to differ... .
I do have concrete designs for OU devices, so I suspect do you and many others on this forum! Here I will site two examples..
John Bedini has published many schematics that have been replicated, a book and a set of DVD's! As I am sure you are aware one replication was built by a school girl! Since then an even simpler design the Simplified School Girl Motor has been provided by John. Tom Bearden and John Bedini have provided enough comments, detailed scientific explanations and tutorials to fill an entire library and continue to do so....
BEMF is probably the most well explained, simplest and easily verified principle on which an OU device can be based! Absolutely no secrets have been kept regarding its use... Rocket Science it is not...
As I recall SM proved that too, for did he not describe, lest we forget, the simplest OU device of all:
4.In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are caused to flow in it. This was explained because the earth?s magnetic field exerted some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it. Or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
5.The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth?s magnetic field to produce a small kick. (Morgan Jones book, valve amplifiers. 3rd edition, page 262)
6.It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires
7. They say that you cannot get more out of something than you put into it. Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on... There in lies the secret my friend.
Even I can build that one 8)
Some of Don Smith's devices clearly work on similar principles to John Bedini's, notice the similar arrangements of magnets and coils, thought Don seems to have simplified the principle even further than John in some cases... He has multiple systems many of which appear to use ideas very similar to those posted on this very forum... reverse engineering them from the clear photos on his website has got to be simpler than attempting to replicate the TPU from SM's cryptic comments and grainy videos!
Using John Bedini's information alone is enough allow the design of endless OU devices...
Acerzw
@tao
I see what you are saying, but when you make and use statements such as this:
First off, Bedini, he is a great guy for sure, but rest assured, rest VERY assured, that even the people in his inner circle of replicators, and he does have one, even THEY, who talk to him regularly, even THEY don't have their devices operating in OU yet!!! I wouldn't expect you to know that information, not many do, but it is the truth, believe it or not...
which you must be aware cannot be verified or substantiated by anyone who does not have your inside knowledge or contacts, regardless of the amount of research they undertake, then you must accept that many, me included, are simply not going to believe you!
Can you prove any of the above? How come those who know this in his inner circle have not said anything? Are they covering up for him simply because he is a nice guy and he grants them audience? I hope you can understand my healthy skepticism in regard to that comment...
What would John have to say regarding that comment, since you have knowledge which you say is privy only to his inner circle, can you contact one of them, or perhaps him, and ask him for us?
Acerzw
Hi there BEP,Missile siloh? No the rent is too high on those.
I see that you have the whole cold, basement, missile silo motif down pat! ;D
I could not help but notice what appears to be a fire extinguisher on the bench! (GK might want to think about that for his bench also! LOL) Tired of the bucket of oil, eh? ;)
Kidding you of course, my friend! Coils look awesome, and is that a large aluminum cutout I see parked under the bench? Kinda has a familiar look to it. I look forward to your continued experiments, my wave watching friend.
Cheers, :)
Bruce
@tao
I see what you are saying, but when you make and use statements such as this:
First off, Bedini, he is a great guy for sure, but rest assured, rest VERY assured, that even the people in his inner circle of replicators, and he does have one, even THEY, who talk to him regularly, even THEY don't have their devices operating in OU yet!!! I wouldn't expect you to know that information, not many do, but it is the truth, believe it or not...
which you must be aware cannot be verified or substantiated by anyone who does not have your inside knowledge or contacts, regardless of the amount of research they undertake, then you must accept that many, me included, are simply not going to believe you!
Can you prove any of the above? How come those who know this in his inner circle have not said anything? Are they covering up for him simply because he is a nice guy and he grants them audience? I hope you can understand my healthy skepticism in regard to that comment...
What would John have to say regarding that comment, since you have knowledge which you say is privy only to his inner circle, can you contact one of them, or perhaps him, and ask him for us?
Acerzw
No, I can't prove it, out of a respect for my 'word' to someone. That is why I ended the statement with " but it is the truth, believe it or not...". I don't expect ANYONE to believe my statement, without proof.
Why make the statement then? It was a adjunct to the rest of my comment, an additional 'truth' that you can choose to believe or not. It wasn't the basis for my last post, only an 'addition' that I thought some people, including you, might like to know, or at least 'tuck away' as a possible truth, and if the day comes that you hear something similar from someone else, maybe it can become a 'truth' to you also.
I completely understand your skepticism, and I would have the same skepticism as you. In regard to your question, about his inner circle covering up for Bedini, his 'inner circle' for lack of a better word, has spent a lot of money and spent a lot of time duplicating Bedini's setups, and they have results, just not 100% loopable (in the sense of taking the charged batteries and swapping with the running battery or powering an inverter off the charged batteries to restore the running battery) and repeatable results...
Once again, all I was trying to do was show you that I do know about all the devices you talk, yet, not even the devices you are talking about at 100% verified yet, and easily repeatable.
Hence, no CLEAR CUT OU plans are anywhere as of yet...
That is why we are here, you know that, we need to change that, WE need to duplicate, develop, rediscover, and engineer an OU device and distribute freely, PRECISE and CLEAR CUT plans for that device. I hope we are in agreement on that...
I'm realy stuck on this simpler LINEAR concept derived from the TPU, can't you tell? LOL :)
If this doesn't work, then we know it has to be the CIRCULAR nature of the TPU, that makes it work.
Here's a simpler setup then my previous one. Just a rod with magnets attached at the end. The magnets also BIAS the Iron. :)
How much simpler can one get?
EM
@tao, yes that we can always agree on... :)
Frankly I have found this discourse probably the most interesting I have had to date with anyone on this forum...
I do play devils advocate a lot, and assume a lot, but I do tend to find if you shake the tree fruit falls out...
I have been somewhat shocked regarding your statements about John Bedini and by proxy therefore Tom Bearden. Are you stating that no-one has achieved OU using the simple BEMF principles in his book? What are the problems they have encountered? Surely once you have a simple test rig consisting of a single coil and a magnet the BEMF principle can be proven easily? Then it must just be a matter of scaling it up... the running of the device from its own output energy also appears relatively trivial once the you know how to produce BEMF. What am I missing....
Acerzw...
If you use a helical coil around the magnetostrictive rod, it does not create linear lenght changes for this rod.
Helical coil creates a twisting effect and torgue for magnetostrictive rod, this phenomena is also known as Wiedemann effect. ...
@Esa MaunuQuoteIf you use a helical coil around the magnetostrictive rod, it does not create linear lenght changes for this rod.
Helical coil creates a twisting effect and torgue for magnetostrictive rod, this phenomena is also known as Wiedemann effect. ...
Esa, I disagree. The magnetostriction phenomena involves a lengthening of the material ALONG THE ORIENTATION OF THE MAGNETIC DOMAINS, and I'm sure you know that a solenoidal coil produces a AXIAL magnetic field, hence the lengthening happens along the AXIS or the length of the rod.
The Wiedemann effect is something else, but quite related. that's where you impose a radial external magnetic field at, for example the middle of the rod, like I showed in my previous postings.
EM
As far as which direction it goes - both. The only question in my mind is which one provides the most movement...
http://www.miklagaard.com/longitudinal-electric-waves
@ marco i know you have all you need
care to help me with tubes? i want to build a tube rack to test with but where to start?
hummmm...
ist
@Earl
I think you probably have most if not all the answers here. Any opinions?
Just re-watched the 38 minute U.E.C video and noticed a couple of interesting things:
SM mentions toward the end that TPU's have been tested to 15k feet in airplanes and still functioned, but with some "slight voltage variation", and after this he mentions that TPU's are "frequency sensitive".
Earlier, when SM is demonstrating the large ring, he flips a switch to turn on the first frequency and then another for the second frequency. He does not mention a third frequency.
[snip]
@z_p_e
Maybe we should stick around here instead of spreading out too thin.
I don't remember talking about a vertical coil on the legs. Could you point me there.
@ all
next step IS TO FIND THE CORRECT WAY TO USE THE MAG GENERATED KICK! please do expose yours ideas as I can check them quickly!
Roberto
@ all
next step IS TO FIND THE CORRECT WAY TO USE THE MAG GENERATED KICK! please do expose yours ideas as I can check them quickly!
Roberto
I'm supprised that more discussion related to MACEDONIA CD's post of October 11, 2007, 17:10:15 is not taking place.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3409.msg54077.html#msg54077
He is obviously on to something that we need to try and figure out being that he's not giving us the details as to how he accompished what appears to be spiral rotation around the collector wire (look at the dawing). He states its in the way the control coils are wound.
I don't know why people post teasers and not just disclose the details - certainly it be benificial to all and a real TIME SAVER.
-Duff
...because at the top of the thread he refers to ultra sound.
"This multiplication , or modulation, of one wave by another wave of the same number of divisions produces what may be called "canonic electric waves", after the process in music where one melody is combined with itself delayed by a given number of divisions if the measure, producing harmony by interference with itself. This process is the underlying principle behind the synchronous condenser, hysteresis motor, and parametric amplifier. The means for producing this phenomenon is call "synchronous parameter variation", and is the principle behind what is often called "free energy", which is quite possible if not certain."
The object of this board is to bring minds together, observe, test, and put forth our ideas. It is not to tease the members. So if you want to teach us something, fine, please do
Hello all,
I forgot: hummmmmmmm!!!
Otto
Do you think this could happen 6000 times per second?
@MAC
You're too much. I think I will count to 6000 tonight while I think about your idea. lol
@marco
I made a relay pulser and it is buzzing like hell, but the voltage I am trying to send to the coil is not getting there. My meter says O volts dc when put on the coil.
Is it because I am pulsing too fast?
Here is a schematic I have drawn to show my connections.
Any comments.
When a glass plate is placed near a condenser the charge of which is alternated, the plate emits a sound. This sound is due to the rythmical impact of the air against the plate. I have also found that the ringing of a condenser, first noted by Sir William Thomson, is due to the presence of the air between or near the charged surfaces.
HI
TOANDERSTEND MY ONLY YOU NEED SMALL PIECES OF WIRE ABOUT 5 cm THEN YOU MOVE PERM,MAG HORISONTAL THHEN VERTICAL OR AROUND YOU WHILL SEE THE DIFERENTS VOLTAGE YOU MOST MOVE THE MAGNET WHIT THE SAME SPEED TO SEE THE DIFERENT BEATVEANE THIS 2 DIFERENTS MOVING OF MAGNET 8) 8) 8)
Ok - I tried your test.
I used a 6 pole magnetic motor.
All magnets poles the same - North Poles facing out.
Rotor turning at 200 rpms
Connected scope probe to one end of 20cm copper wire. Ground not connected.
Held wire in both vertical and horzontal position by passing magnets.
I did not see much difference.
Please make a video of your setup so we can see what you have done
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE
TELL ME WHY?
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO
PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.
We've been restling with these questions for a long time now. ???
SM on "south of the equator":QuoteYES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE
TELL ME WHY?
SM on Rotating field (notice he does not say a rotating "magnetic" field:QuoteYES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO
PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.
The rotation direction could be "influenced" by the earth's magnetic field. This does not "imply" that the earth's amgnetic field is the source of energy. In other words, TPU's still work on the equator.
By using sharp, high voltage impulses, it is possible to stimulate a coil into resonance using one-wire and virtually no power consumption.
HI SOME MIX MP3 WHIT WORDS OF S.M IN MUSIC
is there a diffrence between the earth's magnetic feild and the earth's electromagnetic feild?
ist
or are they the same thing
@EM & BEPmaybe http://www.archive.org/index.php can help you
I recall one of bolts posts where he stated that SM had said a couple of posters were getting close before, I think since EM's breakthrough here it is probably worth you guys taking another look at those posters work, if you can find it, to see if further insights might be gained in the light of your new knowledge.
From bolts post with words that resonate highlighted 8):
"SM has very nearly spilled the beans on this risking his freedom and pay packet. He is right he has said far too much already. SM mentioned Bushwacker and Freedomfuel for getting close. Bushwacker dedicated most of his time working on the Hope device. IMO it will never work he is only making a cooker peizo coil but he was named because he was injecting AUDIO sine waves into his hope device. However the guy reads like a crank to me every post was about abductions and threats from MIB which i very much doubt they would be interested in his cooker coil. Freedomfuel was mentioned because of his excellent theory. He was bang on correct about how this works but for some reason i recon he saw the potential good and BAD and decided to walk away. But he deleted over 100 very critical posts and was leaps ahead of most other on here 12 months ago. For all i know he has a working model."
Link to bolts post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg49823.html#msg49823
Has anyone an archived copy of Freedomfuel's deleted posts? (Mine doesn't go back that far) If so please post as ZIP copy here for all.
Acerzw
hey guys what is rotatinal current??
hummmmm...
ist
The TPU is a "conversion device".
Is this a reference to converting between two types of energy? Two different aspects of the same thing?
Come on Marco. I expect more from a person of your intelect.
Convert that which is static and unusable, to that which is changing and usable.
If there was a giant tuning fork in front of you, you would not be able to use its vibration unless you had another tuning fork of the same frequency.
@marco you gonna fire up some heaters??
ist
The "KICK"
The approach of Oliver Lodge (1851-1940), in attempting to verify Maxwell?s theory, was to generate waves along an open transmission line. The frequency would be known from the fundamental parameters (inductance and capacity) of the Leyden jar used for the generation of the high frequency oscillations, and the wavelength could be measuredfrom standing waves in the transmission line. In 1887-1888 Lodge worked on producing and identifying standing waves in wires. Lodge developed the famous ?recoil kick? experiment, which showed that a strong spark could be produced at the far end of a transmission line only when the line was resonant. In Lodge?s words [12] in 1888:Quote?The best effect should be observed when each wire is half a wave-length, or some multiple of half a wave-length, long. The natural period of oscillation in the wires will then agree with the oscillation-period of the discharging circuit, and the two will vibrate in unison, like a string or column of air resounding to a reed.?Lodge obtained resonance with wires 95 ft long, corresponding to a resonant frequency of about 5 MHz. In a later experiment, he was able to produce much shorter waves, but with enough voltage that the voltage maxima in the standing wave showed up as a visible glow or brush discharge. Lodge looked forward to presenting his results, which gave overwhelming support to Maxwell?s theory, at the September 1888 meeting in Bath of the British Association. However, he was scooped by the earlier publication in 1888 of the results of Heinrich Hertz.
If you send a squarewave in - you will get a pulse out because the steady top of the pulse is not changing
I guess what I am asking is does continuous switching the polarity of a DC current equal AC?In your case (only in your case) continuous switching the polarity of a DC is not the same as AC but would be close to it (I would say square root of two, ie, about 71% or 141%, depends from which side you are looking at it.). You might get a very high BEMF. Be careful. Switching your transformer in reverse and still using 110dc can burn it easily. Why don?t you try to use 5V for now and see what happens.
@Grumpy,
I guess you wanted to be more generic. In this case you are right. However, what you have said is not correct. Assuming all the conditions are ideal, no limit for power, frequency, core saturation, no coil impedance and so on and on and on? if I keep the input current (practically flat input voltage) rising in the linear mode I would get a perfect flat DC output.
Kames.
... wether it is 7.3 ,5000,or 35,000 who knows? ...
... wether it is 7.3 ,5000,or 35,000 who knows? ...Gee Lindsay, you just gave away the magic formula! Let's see if anyone can make good use of it.
I wonder where the 1,2,3 frequency mix myth comes from.
Jacob
For a long time I have been puzzled by the following question from Steven:Quote"Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"
I couldn't tell what the ramification would be at all! Reason is that I was visually picturing the "two directions" as happening in 2 different cartesian planes.
Then, I realized the obvious: the rotation had to occur in the same plane. Now it all made sense...
So, if we rephrase Steven's question to this new context, it becomes:Quote"Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it clockwise and counterclockwise at the same time, what would the ramifications be?"
In this new context, we DO have implications, don't we? At least 3 anyway:
1) We now have 2 balls instead of one because we are rotating in opposite directions.
2) We also have 2 particles accelerators. Here is why: When, in electro-magnetism, we consider the movement of electric charges in a magnetic field, we usually consider charges moving perpendicularly to the B field. However, it is important to realize that the preferred path for electrons in a magnetic field is parallel to the flux lines. This has been observed in space where electrons near the earth are sucked in at on pole and released at the other one. So, since an electron in a magnetic field follows the flux lines while moving forward at a relatively low speed and since the collector in the fluxline of the "ball" we are rotating , there will always be some free electrons in the collector accelerated to the "ball" rotational speed.
3) Every half revolution or so, the 2 balls will come to a relative position where their ball shaped fields will be in complete opposition, and therefore cancel each other. When this occurs, something will happen. This something is what we are interested in...
Before going any further, I would like to point out that several posts make it abundantly clear that Steven doesn't know for sure where the energy produced by his device comes from. The official line is that it comes from the earth magnetic field, but modern physics shows this is not the case. Because of this, there are 2 models to explain what goes on inside TPU.
The SM model
Steven says that if we can cancel the magnetic flux, electron that are already spinning around in our particle accelerator will accelerate even more, and when the speed gets to a specific treshold, energy is released.
This model is interesting, but has 2 important drawbacks:
1) It is poorly documented. Where can we find information about this?
2) It doesn't explain the need for a special frequency mix. Just for a minimum value.
Because of these 2 drawbacks, I personally prefer the model that follows, which I call the Drake model:
The Drake model
This model is named after James F. Drake, professor of Physics at the University of Maryland http://www.glue.umd.edu/~drake/. Professor Drake is not aware of the existence of the Drake model in TPUology. Actually, professor Drake is probably anaware of TPUology itself.
Nonetheless... In one of his public presentation, professor Drake plainly states:
"A reversed magnetic field is a source of free energy".
Quite a statement! A free energy source? What do we need to tap this?
Very simple! First, we need to create a "reversed magnetic field", which in this context means two opposing magnetic fields. How many segments we use to achieve this can be discussed, but using bifilar coils in individual segments achieves that goal.
Then, we need the component that taps the energy. The fun part about this component is that a simple multi-strand wire does the job. Collector is a very appropriate name for it since it must also be perpendicular to the coils, in this infamous 90 degrees no-coupling position! Gee, the TPU already has the right configuration, aren't we lucky or what?
O.K. A little theory concerning the Drake model: When opposing flux meets, it creates a situation where at a very precise point, the resulting magnetic field cancel itself. What actually happens is a reorganisation of the flux lines. "When this happen", says Professor Drake, "an event similar to a sonic boom takes place". The picture below illustrates this magnetic explosion. The epicenter is the yellow area in the middle of the picture. What can be seen on either side of the explosion is a stream of electrons animated with an energy of hundreds of thousands of electron-volts.
This is known as magnetic reconnection, and can be described as the sudden reshaping of the magnetic field lines of the two opposing magnetic fields, linking them together so to speak. It liberates an enormous amount of energy in the dimensional plane of the collector coil. Understandingly, if you chain 3 such high energy releasing processes, you can end up with flame capable electrical power.
As it happens, this phenomena is extremely interesting. Wikipedia expands on it on these terms:
"The resistivity of the current layer allows magnetic flux from either side to diffuse through the current layer, cancelling out flux from the other side of the boundary. "
i.e.: the disappearance of the magnetic field is compensated with the apparition of an electrical current in the collector.
Wikipedia continues: "When this happens, the plasma is pulled out by magnetic tension along the direction of the magnetic field lines."
i.e.: if there are nails on the wall, they could be sucked in.
And again: "The resulting drop in pressure pulls more plasma and magnetic flux into the central region, yielding a self-sustaining process."
i.e.: We need a kill switch.
Now, back to the Drake model: There used to be a problem with magnetic reconnection: from a theorical standpoint it was happening too fast! But professor Drake noticed something really weird that seems to explain this discrepency: the presence of whisler waves. Professor Drake call this "Whistler Signature".
What's a whistler wave? Wikipedia answers it this way: "A Whistler is a very low frequency electromagnetic (radio) wave generated by lightning. Frequencies of whistlers are 1 to 30 kHz, with maximum usually at 3 to 5 kHz. Although they are electromagnetic waves, they occur at audio frequencies, and can be converted to audio using a suitable receiver. They are produced by lightning strikes (mostly intracloud and return-path) where the impulse travels away from the earth and returns to the earth traveling along magnetic field lines."
What professor Drake says is that the magnetic reconnection process is driven by very specific frequencies like the one we need to produce the "TPU effect". That these waves act as a catalist to produce magnetic explosions known as magnetic reconnection. Well, it certainly looks as if all the ingredients are there, doesn't it?
When we consider this model, understanding TPU windings and processes becomes much easier. We evidently have to rotate two magnetic fields in opposite directions. How this is achieved is a matter of strategy: one full lenght segment, 3 X 120 degrees segments, 4 X 90 degrees segments... Like Steven said: different configurations can yield results. But it would seem that using coils that go all the way around makes the process very tricky.
Mixing the frequencies can also be achieved in several ways. Personally, I would first try rotating each "ball" at a different speed. We could for instance have a clockwise rotation at 245 Khz, and a counter-clockwise rotation at 35 Khz, so that every time the flux cancels, the radial angle is different.
Also, if we feed the power generated by the magnetic explosions occurring in the first collector to the control windings of the second collector coil, we have a situation where the bullet fired by a cannon becomes another cannon. And so on...
The picture below shows the magnetic explosion resulting from the reconnection process, and the powerful electron beam that is emitted.
Jacob
For a long time I have been puzzled by the following question from Steven:Quote"Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"
I couldn't tell what the ramification would be at all! Reason is that I was visually picturing the "two directions" as happening in 2 different cartesian planes.
@Grumpy
A spinor is the simple answer. Sorry if I hadn't made the point before -- I thought I had...
For a long time I have been puzzled by the following question from Steven:Quote"Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"
I couldn't tell what the ramification would be at all! Reason is that I was visually picturing the "two directions" as happening in 2 different cartesian planes.
@Grumpy
A spinor is the simple answer. Sorry if I hadn't made the point before -- I thought I had. like everyone else, I dont know exactly what SM meant by that comment -- he could have just been posing a question that interested him. He could have been trying to imagine why the TPU actually worked -- who knows? However, the only way to make a ball spin in two directions at once is a spinor. ... just last night I realized another very simple field arangement that fits the TPU and spinor models. I will animate it and write up the explanation as soon as I can - if nothing else it offers a new timing method for driving the top and botom control coils and it also supports a top and bottom crossover scheme like Otto came up with for his collector in the ECD.
cheers
mark.
how about,
clock-wise on the outside and counter-clock-wise on the inside?
well or the way around.
maybe i could better call it "horizontal" and "vertical" ::)
no no to me it still is counterclockwise and up.
M.
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.
I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy. This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . .
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose. Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely.
You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils.
I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to make many several thousands of kicks per second. . .
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT ISN"T DIFICULT AT ALL.
No, I take that statement back. Actually it is difficult if you refuse to start thinking. Some of the information I have given to you is golden. I have certainly given you enough information to move in the right
direction.
I will continue to give you more information but I am so disappointed with the complete lack of ability I see in most everyone so far.
Sincerely,
SM.
what good will this tech do any one if that can not grasp how and why??
research was done years ago as were the pattends lol we are the ones that are behind ;)
far more than the tpu here folks 8)
@Jacob
Good analysis. But I think the wire analogy means what would happen if you had both a magnet move over a wire, plus a frequency vibrating the wire in a magnet.
And don't forget. Your design has to work with two pieces cut out. One at 9 and one at 12 o'clock. Ouch again.
Attached is a PDF of Jacob's explanation, in case he has a change of heart after everyone waste their time bashing his explanation rather than taking a crack at it.
Jacob, have you looped it back yet? If so, how did you protect from runaway?
Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete control of the unit most of the time.
However, you must have an emergency KILL switch. A way of cutting off all the control frequencies simultaneity. This kill switch must be, manual and also connected through a heat sensor buried within the collector coil. it should automatically stop the function of the unit before it self destructs on it's own.
This is important for obvious reasons.
Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures over voltage.
Wait a minute...
This is too simple and I am already confused :-\
You describe two sets of control coils. One inside initiating the kicks, and another set creating the RMF.
Now, looking at the RMF set, driven with freqs in the 35kHz range (7.xx apart), how are these coils creating an RMF?
on the "runaway" is it a function of the inner control frequency or the RMF frequency?
You can drive 2 coils with each of their own frequency in the same direction. The heterodyned mixed can create a field that can go in the opposite direction.
--giantkiller.
"I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that wouldIf we look at the 15" model, i would say the wires of the collector are laid on top of each other, like a Voice Coil, giving it the height it has aswell as how thin it iz.
work?
I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc."
there is pantent page where is the picture but you have to bey money to see it :P
but there is some thumb images that page
but they all something do with metal detector
and its clue
sm word's
About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on
top of the other, not interleaved.
Three is important.
You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in
parallel, or etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control
on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around
each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal
collector coils together.
Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly
around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second,
then the third.
coil's three of them "horizontal circle wire"
they are creating three magnet pulse "cannon theory"and earth magnetfield respond with Reflected Pulse
and the right frequency its become super powergenerator
and middle of tpu magnetfield is changing rapidly and there is the toroid coil and what happend when magnetfield changes ;D
kicks and electricityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In one of the videos of the large TPU he flicked a switch saying this is frequency one, flicked the another switch, saying this is frequency two but he never put a magnet to the center coils. Could be that he had internal batteries (we already know how many is possible hehehe) but put center coils to show a start up as non battery, but he forgot to use his magnets on that video. Weird. He forgot to do the magnet show.
Stage 1: Just build it.- coil1 & coil2 terns ?, coil1 & coil2 AWG ?, coil1 & coil2 diameter?, coil1 & coil2 mH ? stranded ? ( as you can see there are many variables )
Stage 2: pulse it incorrectly and blow shit up. Quantifiable results!- I assume that you have blown something up and this will mean that you can either charge a HV capacitor ( Leyden jar ) or do something more useful with this MOMENT energy, maybe blowing up a capacitor will be nice :)
Stage 3: pulse it correctly & coordinate the driving configuration.- It would be good to have at least the ratio between f_incorrect/f_correct if not the frequency ...
Stage 3: feedback to recouple the power.- A simple schematics will be, at least, educational ...
Ring modulator
EDIT: also called a "ring mixer"
EDIT-2: like this - see attached
@giantkiller
For the sake of clarification it will be helpful to be provided:QuoteStage 1: Just build it.- coil1 & coil2 terns ?, coil1 & coil2 AWG ?, coil1 & coil2 diameter?, coil1 & coil2 mH ? stranded ? ( as you can see there are many variables )QuoteStage 2: pulse it incorrectly and blow shit up. Quantifiable results!- I assume that you have blown something up and this will mean that you can either charge a HV capacitor ( Leyden jar ) or do something more useful with this MOMENT energy, maybe blowing up a capacitor will be nice :)QuoteStage 3: pulse it correctly & coordinate the driving configuration.- It would be good to have at least the ratio between f_incorrect/f_correct if not the frequency ...QuoteStage 3: feedback to recouple the power.- A simple schematics will be, at least, educational ...
Sorry if this info has been provided before .... I have not encountered it ...
@all
As Tesla said: " ... it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature "
Lets make this time shorter by, at least, being precise ...
Best
some stuff for internet
>> > I read the info about steven's device. I remember talking to someone
>> > via e-mail in 1996 about my design and he stated that he was using
>> > bailing wire for the core material to run through a coil that was
>> > already wound as he had no wire to wind onto a toroidal core so he
>> > used the bailing wire inserting into an existing coil.
>> > By the way my name is Steven Sullivan.
>>
>> Interesting, some say iron wire is the key to a working free energy
>> device.
[snip]"
jep jep
About the unit he pulls from a suitcase--
@poynt99
Very nice drawing. But there is one problem. With the higher rez video, it is no evident there is no leg on the right side. The OTPU is standing on three points. Leg to the left of output, leg to the back of output and circuit board to the right of output. I was very surprised when I realized this but maybe forgot to mention it.
In the photo below you can see him holding the OTPU right where the right leg should be but his fingers are flat. This image is from the video entitled VTS_01_2.VOB at frame 11126.
@IS
.... I don't know why but the JPG's you posted are not visible. I tried them in many ways and no go.
The problem is... You still don't have enough information to help facilitate your building and execution of the collector. That is what I believe to be the strategic problem.
hello guys,im new here ;D is tihs ok as a TPU? ;D i will test this circuit to see if selfoscilates
I think that's a joule thief type circuit and not a TPU
@Wattsup and @poynt99
Your words are why I have a different understanding (right or wrong) about the meaning of collector.
To me 'collector' means the complete unit - or as most define a TPU. Since I've come to believe this the supposed comments from Steven make much more sense. If you can, look at the descriptions my my perspective for a moment. If you do, you should then perceive different coil layouts and orientations.
Using the perceptions of most folks on the ''collector'' it always seemed the descriptions were contradictory and unclear. As an example: when speaking of winding a vertical wind does that mean wound horizontally around a vertical axis or wound vertically around a horizontal axis or even something else?
@Wattsup
Your transistor analogy is close enough. Your electrical knowledge certainly has greatly improved since my first time on this site. I commend you!
However the description you gave would be called an emitter follower switch or amplifier. It is normally a better bet to connect the load to the collector and voltage drops, losses and other things can happen with the load on the emitter. Of course, such a circuit is not uncommon and may be required in many cases.
The collector of a transistor should be analogous to the anode or plate of a vacuum tube. This metal piece was where the electrons were 'collected' after being 'emitted' by the cathode or heater. In between is the base which is called a gate in other SS and is almost the same funtion as a grid in a tube. (I know you and poynt know this but more than you read this forum ;)
In SM's view the above may not be completely correct because some tubes actually have a part that is called a collector. It collects 'extra' radiated electrons that are 'kicked' off the plate by electrons ejected by the cathode. 'If' SM coined the phrase 'collector' I suspect this is why he used the term.
He said you should look at the effects of out of phase transformer windings! He said VERY unusual things happen. ...and he is right but no one takes any notice.You weren't around at the time, but I can tell you many of us did pay attention to this, and discussed it to quite an extent. A few tried it on the bench, I played with it in a sim.
The conversion from VARS to WATTS is around 10% but who cares its free right??If true, this works for me. ;)
Hey bolt.
I'm interested in trying to simulate this setup of Romero's, but I'd also like to see what it was you used for a circuit to produce those wave forms you posted.
Would you be so kind as to scratch a basic diagram on paper and scan and post it? Alternatively, you could email it to me at:
poynt99atoverunityresearch.com
I'm sure all would appreciate it.
Oh! you know i have not got the source files i thought i explained this the other day. Also for the life of me i can not remember right now how i did this because i spent about 3 hours playing with the SIM for some other purpose then i realised its a reactive pulse wave Romero was showing and quickly modified the sim i was working on as it is the same effect for muller out of phase coils with a series cap. I have to see if i can do this again at some point but only if i remember what i was doing, It really is NOT as important as you think because if you cancel the BEMF using self cancelling coils you get VARS and there is NO BEMF and NO LUGGING when the Power Factor is ZERO then you see that waveform.
The direct method is to use switching or match the load so is sits in series within the loop without changing the phase angle.
The indirect method is to use the powerful magnetic field generated from the VARS coil to induce a current into another coil. This is what the TPU does AND kapanadze both are indirect coupling effects. But its NOT parametric coupling. That way the phase angle is always maintained on the driver and there is no coupling back to the source.
Thank you, Poynt99,
It would be far easier, for YOU to give me the answer, rather than spend an awful lot of time, reading
up on it!
SPANG.