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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #210 on: October 10, 2007, 02:12:16 PM »
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« Reply #212 on: October 10, 2007, 05:18:05 PM »
@Earl
I think you probably have most if not all the answers here. Any opinions?

Hehehe, thanks for the compliment.

Attached is an idea where one end of a vertical string / wire / bar / bundle / whatever /  is attracted to a lossless, instantaneously-acting "magnetic spring".  This "spring" consists of two attracting magnets.  One magnet would be moved by magnetostriction.  The amplitude of the magnet's movement is not important, only its speed.

With a high enough magnet speed, output would exceed input.

With a test setup inverted to that shown, one could easy measure the contribution from "gravity" and compare between both versions.

Of course the pulsed material should have the largest magnetosriction and most fast-acting as possible.

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how many hours or days do you need to build this and test & measure ?

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« Reply #213 on: October 11, 2007, 02:54:04 AM »
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« Reply #214 on: October 11, 2007, 05:04:53 AM »
@EM

Myself, I am not planning to implement your idea, but you might find the attached articles from a University in Brazil extremely interesting for your setup, especially, starting from the second article. Each article is about the same theory but with more details and fixed explanations.

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« Reply #215 on: October 11, 2007, 11:38:54 AM »
hi to all
 

I HAVE TOLD  YOU  THAT    WHIT  ONE CIKC   WHIT DC   IS PRODUCES   1000  OR 10000  KICKI FOR ONE SECOND
  THAT CAN BE  MAKE  WHIT  BATERY OR  PERMANENT MAGNET 
<<< EXPLANATIONS   IF YOU BRING  CLOUSE  PERM. MAAG N   TO  MANY WIRES   THAN  IN THE WIRES  WHILL BE  PRODUCED DC  ONLY ONE SECOND >> BUT  I FIND I WAY HOW  TO MAKE OSCILATIONS  WHIT  ONLY ONE KICK  THE POINT OF THIS IS HOW TO MAKE  A COILS  NOW  I NOT TELL YOU  HOOW TO MAKE THIS  >>ONLY I TELL YOU THIS

TPU  HAVE THIIS ELEMENT  .... ONE COLECTOR COIL WHIT  SOME TURNS   ..AND CONTROL COIL HO HAVE MANY TURNS  .. THEN ONLY YOU NEED TO HOW TO MAKE  10000 KICKS  PER SECOND ONLY  PUSH WHIT ONE SECOND OF DC VOLTAGE THEN THIS INPUT VOLTAGE  YOU DONT NEED ENY MORE  OR  WHIT PERM MAGN.  ..
THIS SECRET  I HAVE FOUND  OF  READ SOME PATENT   TH S.M   IS START WHIT SIMPLE PER, MAG  TO PRODUCED  SMALL KICK  ONLY ONE SECOND   THEN  CONTROL COIL PRODUCED  10000  KICK  WHIT  HIS  SMALL ELEKTRMAGNET FILD    YOU IMAGEN  YOU HAVE  SMALL ELEK. MAG WHIT SPEED  THEN THE COLECTORS COIL BRINGTHE POWER 
NO ORE EXPLANATIONS  ENYY MOE  IF YOU DONT ANDERSTEND  HOW  YOU DONT  NOW  ELEKTRONIKS  ,,  AND ANTHER THE TPU IS NOT HAVE ELKTONICS COMPONENTS
NO TRANSISTOR OR SOMEYHING ELSE  ONLY COILS AND START BATERY  OR  PERM .MAGN  FOR STARTING THIS   BY  8) 8) 8)

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« Reply #216 on: October 11, 2007, 03:16:14 PM »
@all

I have been looking at the open TPU for several days straight, trying to make heads or tails of such a short video and of such bad quality. There are some things that I have seen and have put them here for your comments. I also made a diagram of the TPU so you can have a concrete look. If some of you are into it, please take some time to review the video and see if there are other things I did not notice.

Some deductive observations;

1) When putting magnets on the top of the two coils. If the base onto which the magnet was placed was metallic, it would have jumped to the spot when nearing the location. This did not happen so I am confident there was no metal under the magnet. I did a quick test with a coil and a magnet and one way the magnet would stick closer and reversing the polarity the magnet would fly off. So this means the coils under the magnets never change polarity, otherwise the magnets would have flown off their seats. Also, I think these magnets have a dual purpose.

A) Connect a reed switch inside the coil with possible batteries. If the coils had Lytz wire, some of the strands could be used to turn on the circuit. There could also be 1 or more batteries inside the coils. This is just a best guess and not based on any real observation save the fact that the magnets require some form of mechanism to turn on the TPU. Also if there were batteries, what better place then below the magnets, for quick access for battery replacements.

B) I think the coils are being pulsed on and off at 6000 or more cycles per second, sending its magnetic field over its left and right collectors, thus passing a magnet over a wire to produce current. It is that simple. The magnet on top of the coil is not only used to activate a reed switch but also to deflect the coil field so as to spread it out over the collectors. He said an inherent vibration, not a frequency. What is the best wire type to produce the widest field?

3) You can most certainly rule out any metallic rings since the weight of such metal rings, with the dimension and thickness as seen on the demo would have made it much much heavier and SM would not have been able to manipulate it by lifting, turning in one hand, etc., so effortlessly. You can see that his fingers are straight when he is holding it in one hand, something that would be impossible if the device had any substantial weight, since he would have held it in a full palm grip or had a few fingers inwards to counter the weight.

4) There are only three legs on the TPU. You will notice at 38:38 there is a circuit going downwards to the right of the metallic box. It is about 1.5" by 4" and is bracketed to the top output speaker terminal, the white wires are going there. The circuit is just a tad too long, but enough so that the TPU swings on the circuit board and one other leg when on the table. At 38:38 I can see what I think is a variable capacitor and other components. Neet. This enforces the fact that the rings are not made of metal since SM would have never put so much weight onto the circuit board.

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« Reply #217 on: October 11, 2007, 05:45:56 PM »
@Wattsup,

what if the two coils under the magnets are needed to develop the first kicks? Remember the infamous:.....if you slide a magnet over a wire you get something, if you do it over 1000 wires you get 1000 x something....so I've in front of me 20 meters of Litz cable with  640 isolated strands....and if I'm so mad to cut  10 cm of that cable , splice the 640 +640 end single leads and take my time to put them for example half in series and half in parallel?....at the end I should have a 'consistent'  pulse  after the magnet sliding action.
What do you think?

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« Reply #218 on: October 11, 2007, 07:05:27 PM »
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« Reply #219 on: October 11, 2007, 09:47:49 PM »
@BEP

Thanks for your comments. I don't know either and that's why I wanted to get the most info on the build out there, first.

Actually I think if z_p_e could use his post #1 to keep a build spec specific to this design, we could add to it as parameters get more precise.

Things to keep track of would be.

1) Concrete observations of the TPU
2) Less concrete but observable.
3) Explanations for item #1.
4) Theories for item #2.

I'd say within two weeks of brainstorming on this device, it should be clear enough to then make a specific build spec with minimal variables to test.

@Roberto

I think you will get a kick anyways just by pulsing on/off.

Now with a coil having Litz wire, lets say you wound all 20 metres as a coil. You would have 640 coils if you used them individually. Imagine. You can use 25% of them to pulse 3000 cycles, 25% to pulse another 3000 cycles but both could be inverse meaning when one is off, the other is on. This would create a constant pulse field with half less maximum amperage. The other 25% could be used to capture flyback, while the remain 25% could be split into three to pulse frequencies. All on the same wire. You could even have some strands going from internal batteries to power the circuit at start up.

"Wire is very important". Yes it is. He did not say wire, metals and frequencies.

I can't really say concretely as this is part of the discovery. But what I am trying to point to you guys is that you have to keep this real. If you have a theory of operation, fine, point to me physically where in the TPU you are talking about. If it does not fit the TPU physically, then forget it and find another theory.

As long as the theory can fit inside a TPU using what there is there, contrained to a circuit board of about 1.5" x 4", etc., etc. Then these would be considered valid. If you keep the physical TPU in mind at all times, this will be your guide to theorize in specifics. Keep it real.

Roberto, I understand you are saying this may start without any batteries. This is also a fine theory cause physically we cannot see the batteries. But I do know that when you look at the bottom of the Leg #2, the one that holds Coil and Magnet #2, the leg is hollow. Also the Leg #3 has tape wrapped around and under the leg. Even if the TPU was started by battery, let's say (2 x 1.5 volts computer type) 3 volts under each coil, that's 6 volts. This may be just enough to start the unit but never enough to keep it going so the TPU has already proven itself indeed. If you start with batteries, get the device to work, then you can worry about getting rid of the batteries afterwards.

But come to think of it, you can also presume with what is given on the table, that the two coils are not used to produce a magnetic field over the collectors, but that it is used to catch a magnetic field produced by the collectors. So you put your magnet on the coil, it produces a current that energizes the circuit so it then pulses the collectors. So by pulsing the collectors, you are sending the fields towards the coil, that energizes the circuit, that pulses the collectors, and so on in a loop. This would be a valid theory also. So this device may work without batteries if the coil is used as an inductor, like i am sure he is doing in the large TPU.

But if the coil is used only as a simple pulses field generator, where could the energy come from if not from a battery to start it?

So, tests would have to be made to see how much initial voltage may be produced by simply putting a magnet onto a litz coil (or inductor) and then designing the circuit to start with that voltage and having to work it upwards in a loop.


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« Reply #221 on: October 11, 2007, 10:51:14 PM »
Just re-watched the 38 minute U.E.C video and noticed a couple of interesting things:

SM mentions toward the end that TPU's have been tested to 15k feet in airplanes and still functioned, but with some "slight voltage variation", and after this he mentions that TPU's are "frequency sensitive".

Earlier, when SM is demonstrating the large ring, he flips a switch to turn on the first frequency and then another for the second frequency.  He does not mention a third frequency.

The most interesting thing is that SM does not apply a magnet or other device to start the TPU's, except for the switches on the large one.  It's like they immediately operate once a load is applied to close the circuit.  Only the large TPU has the familiar electrical components in the center, the medium one has a box-like appendage on one side and the small one appears to have nothing like this.  SM says that the power comes from inside the devices and that they are not recieving or coupling power from another sourse, but if the source were "passive" and not known or understood then there could be a source.

Could it be that the devices are "tuned" to some sort of ambiant source of energy, of a "universal" nature?  Like a tuning fork that starts vibrating in the presence of another of the same frequency.  Tesla mentioned "kinetic energy" throughout the universe which he referred to as the "wheelwork of nature".


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« Reply #222 on: October 11, 2007, 10:58:30 PM »
Not throwing a fit by deleting my posts. Just cleaning house. I'll start my own thread for my build when ready and after I have the ability to lock it while I'm posting the information. The things I had posted were too specific to my opinions and results.

@EM

The reason I coudn't measure the MS was because my mechanical gauges are not accurate enough to register it even though I could feel the vibration and extention. Like Earl keeps saying - it isn't the amplitude that is important it is the speed.
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« Reply #223 on: October 12, 2007, 12:34:12 AM »
Just re-watched the 38 minute U.E.C video and noticed a couple of interesting things:

SM mentions toward the end that TPU's have been tested to 15k feet in airplanes and still functioned, but with some "slight voltage variation", and after this he mentions that TPU's are "frequency sensitive".

Earlier, when SM is demonstrating the large ring, he flips a switch to turn on the first frequency and then another for the second frequency.  He does not mention a third frequency.
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He does not directly mention a third frequency.

One could also assume that switch 1 turns on a carrier frequency.  Switch 2 turns on a modulating oscillator (F2).  Now the carrier is, for example, amplitude modulated.  This automatically gives the following frequencies:
Carrier frequency
carrier plus F2
carrier minus F2

Now we have the famous 3 frequencies, created by using only 2.

Further, we could theorize that F2 is derived from F1 by means of frequency dividers or maybe simple injection locking.  In other words there is an exact integer relationship between the two frequencies like 1:2 or 1:3 or 1:4 or 1:5 or 1:X.  Maybe this relationship is the famous "harmonic perfection"?
Should the modulation not be AM, but 2-phase - - this could be achieved by flipping the phase 180 degrees, which is not difficult to do.

In closing, I would like to say that although MAC CD's posts are more difficult to read, he has a keen analysis and I found his last post to be very intriguing.  The openTPU must be very simple.

Regards, Earl

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« Reply #224 on: October 12, 2007, 01:13:56 AM »
Unless we object, I would encourage you gentleman to each start a new thread for the open TPU and the magnetostriction ideas.

This is only a suggestion, but it would keep the focus on each work respectively, instead of having one thread alternate between two major themes. You would then also have full control over your updated documents available on your first post.

btw wattsup, nice work again ;) Are you sure you see two vertical coils there on the legs? I always assumed there might be coils there, perhaps inside the legs, but I could not see any on the outside myself.

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