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Author Topic: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation  (Read 62626 times)

ramset

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A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« on: July 16, 2019, 03:13:34 AM »
Here it has been requested by TinselKoala that a separate thread be started to discuss this device.

much gratitude and appreciation to the builder.
respectfully  Chet K
 

 
« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 12:16:55 PM by ramset »

TinselKoala

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Re: TK's AKDS SSSTC build discussion /investigation
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2019, 09:58:58 AM »
This is actually A.King's project, not mine. 

The photos are of my construction, yes, but HE is the one who wants to discuss it, mostly by challenging my work and telling me I'm doing it wrong. I'm not playing that game, so this is a good place to start if anyone is really interested in another Slayer/Kacher/SSTC but do NOT expect me to jump through hoops on the demands of others. I am NOT the one making extraordinary claims about this thing. My opinion right now is that it is what it is, a simple SSTC of the Slayer Exciter type, autoresonating, and as we all know, the _first time_ a bunch of grad students build and try to test a Slayer exciter, they will encounter all kinds of things that they probably never saw before, in their little digital EE classrooms and laboratories working with 5 volts and under.

And all of us who have been around a while have learned to be really suspicious of claims of Free Energy and Overunity coming from users of the Cyrillic alphabet.

So carry on, I'd really like to see A.King do some of his own work to demonstrate anything really unusual from this circuit or the others in the paper he references. His OWN work, not mine. If he can demonstrate something that I find unusual or particularly interesting I might set up and look at it again. As I recall, this project blew out a few bulbs, and melted some glass bulb envelopes, but I'm careful with my power transistors so I don't think I lost any to this Exciter.  Right now it looks like I've got a TIP35C in there but I think the typical CRT horizontal output transistors may work better. I didn't do a lot of transistor comparisons I think, but I really don't remember at this point.

So Chet, I would feel better if you retitled this thread, make it A.King's, because I have other, more important things to do. Life, unfortunately, is short.
(I will say that this project was a stage in the development of the EEEE apparatus.... )

AlienGrey

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2019, 01:02:22 PM »
Tinsel hi, any chance you can show or discuss on this project or the other device you mentioned and or the EEEE device please.
the other thing is the circuit you show produces a sine wave would it be any better or worse using a negative going pulse ?

a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2019, 01:09:23 PM »
Here it is folks seeing as you've twisted my arm.

Grumage

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2019, 01:13:41 PM »
Tinsel hi, any chance you can show or discuss on this project or the other device you mentioned and or the EEEE device please.
the other thing is the circuit you show produces a sine wave would it be any better or worse using a negative going pulse ?

Mr AlienGrey.

Try this for starters.

https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg516320/#msg516320

Cheers Graham.

a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2019, 01:26:51 PM »
Grumage:  Not  very useful as it detracts from the principle of operation which is the Don Smith effect.  It s useful if a phase locked loop is applied to the initial coil which is stage 1 of the process.  Stage 2 is the DSE proper.


The principle of operation in the first two stages of the Don SMith process is known as the DSE.  This is actually a Carlos Benitez invention from his first patent in 1914.  It is called electrostatic induction. If you pulse one plate of the capacitor then the other plate gets an equal and opposite charge from the ambient background.  This could be the air, a plate or the chassis of the device or an earth ground.
it is NOT capacitative coupling which is to be avoided.
The DSE works much better during the day than at night.  ( I have proved it). this is because there are more electrons available in the day due to sun activity.
Depending on the electron activity in your location it works better on high ground as electron activity is greater the higher your location above sea level.
The DSE is buy one get one free minus system losses.


HAVE AT IT.


My thanks to Rick Friedrich and his Don Smith book for doing all the hard work. Well done sir you have my eternal thanks.

Grumage

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2019, 02:37:09 PM »
My apologies.

I was merely pointing Mr AlienGrey to the reference given by Mr TinselKoala.

There will be no more interference from the " cheap seats. "   :)

Cheers Grum.

a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2019, 02:42:31 PM »
......
the other thing is the circuit you show produces a sine wave would it be any better or worse using a negative going pulse ?
If you look at item 5 in the original diagram you wil see a spark gap.  This is designed to produce the disruptive discharge which Tesla talked about. So yes you are correct.

TinselKoala

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2019, 03:01:38 PM »
If you look at item 5 in the original diagram you wil see a spark gap.  This is designed to produce the disruptive discharge which Tesla talked about. So yes you are correct.
Maybe I'm going blind but the only spark gap I see in the whole pdf is the one in the very first diagram Figure 1, the Don Smith alleged diagram. This is not going to produce what Tesla called a disruptive discharge, and that brings up another of my pet peeeves. Whatever you have been talking about it isn't a Telsa Disruptive Discharge. You've been listening to Master Ivo, haven't you. You might think so, but this apparatus cannot produce a real disruptive discharge in any of the schematics or described constructions in the pdf.  If you want to see how to produce a real Tesla disruptive discharge it takes a little more than winding some wire around a mailing tube. See the work of George Trinkaus if you actually want to do that.

And of course the authors of the paper DID NOT USE that diagram, or that spark gap. "The study was conducted according to the schematic in Fig. 2" which is a simple Slayer Exciter, with NO spark gap.  Neither did they have a spark gap in any of the other Slayer Exciter circuits Figures 3-6.

When one does a "replication", one replicates the work actually done, yes? Not some speculative schematic that does not even relate to what is being actually built by the original claimants.



TinselKoala

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2019, 03:06:52 PM »
My apologies.

I was merely pointing Mr AlienGrey to the reference given by Mr TinselKoala.

There will be no more interference from the " cheap seats. "   :)

Cheers Grum.
You can lead a horse to water.....   

And I've said what I'm saying too.  I'm sure Master Ivo and RF can help AKing get his don smith device running.

But will it be OU?  I guess you will just have to ask somebody else, because the only overunity I know about is Joules Out > Joules In. So you'll have to use somebody else's definition if you want OU.

I see where this is going. I can't be a party to misrepresentation, false claims and uncorrected error.

a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2019, 03:42:29 PM »
Here is some of the original version I have located. I have stated the principle of operation.  Those who have ears to hear can hear. Those who have eyes to see can see. Those who want to understand can understand. I am not criticising anyone.  Have at it.

tinman

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2019, 04:18:43 PM »
You can lead a horse to water.....   

And I've said what I'm saying too.  I'm sure Master Ivo and RF can help AKing get his don smith device running.

But will it be OU?  I guess you will just have to ask somebody else, because the only overunity I know about is Joules Out > Joules In. So you'll have to use somebody else's definition if you want OU.

I see where this is going. I can't be a party to misrepresentation, false claims and uncorrected error.

I still think my LED driver circuit deserves more investigation.
What ever happened to the scoposcoppy that was going to happen on it TK ?
I would do it again,but my TBPC got dropped and broke in 3 pieces.


Brad

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2019, 04:21:00 PM »
As in RF thread this one seems to be as bad also, without any simple explanation why we should expect OU here.Please tell us : why do you expect OU in Katcher circuit ?


a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2019, 04:38:53 PM »
As in RF thread this one seems to be as bad also, without any simple explanation why we should expect OU here.Please tell us : why do you expect OU in Katcher circuit ?
I have clearly stated the principle of operation.  It is the introduction of the capacitor which is pulsed over a million times per second to earth ground. The principle is electrostatic induction.  You should go back and re-read my posts carefully.

a.king21

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2019, 05:16:40 PM »
Here is a diagram which may help.