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Author Topic: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation  (Read 11521 times)

Offline AlienGrey

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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2019, 01:31:39 AM »
Oh, no, no no,  I wouldn't dream of getting in between you, Rocha and Master Ivo. So y'all just go right on ahead, and when you get OU.... let me know.


Of course I mean this kind of OU : Joules in < Joules out.  Your mileage may vary.    8)
Ha, Ha, I don't think I would do it like that, any way it's more about resonance and the affect I would have thought it must happen in the katcher coil circuit than from mega volts being sprayed all over the work place and working devices don't show any radiation like that, so with my experience folk will wait a long long time for a high voltage katcher from me  ;D ;D
And have you seen that stupid over voltage neon regulator Smith uses in his demo's that would never work too much resistance.

PS why would any one use a Slayer device in a resonant circuit ? and if you used a PLL to drive it, it it would no longer be a slayer circuit, and any way the L2 coil needs to go to earth not to the driver devices base! Where do you put the earth wire  in that circuit?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2019, 10:31:18 AM by AlienGrey »

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Offline ramset

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2019, 02:53:13 AM »
Well TK all I can say is thank you
 I will be giggling about that one for quite some time


Pushing the wireless transmission envelope with the incandescent bulb on the cranium.




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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2019, 02:55:34 AM »
   Well A: That would be easy enough to test that circuit, with my current simple Kacher circuit, with the secondary connected to a bulb, capacitor, and the to the earth ground line. It that it?  So, this will obtain what results, other than lighting the bulb? I am trying to be serious, well, almost. Hard to do at times...   
   TK: I've also seen what happens to the neons that are placed on HV high frequency circuits, and left there to fry, and get all black. I commented that to Hoppy one day, he wanted to see the "proof", so I did show a similar chard neon bulb. CFl's and florescent bulbs will also get black spots on them, for the same reason. So, which bulb should I fry, next?
 Just kidding. 

   Here is my Stiffler type of replication, lighting a neon bulb with a simple crystal oscillator. Didn't blow up anything, as yet. But, this oscillator will light a couple 8 watt AC led bulbs, to nearly full brightness, on flea farts. When the the fleas are well fed, that is.
   The second image is of a gutted led filament bulb, which also work very well with HV, and are also very efficient when used with Telsa/Kacher circuits. Providing more light than any other led bulbs that I've tried, and they are very cheap to buy, as well. While providing a great light output, very pleasing to the eyes. Unlike some of the other white led lights such as the ones used are used on car headlights. Which are blinding and should not be permitted.   Anyway, it's happy hour,  I got to go...

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2019, 08:51:47 AM »
Well TK all I can say is thank you
 I will be giggling about that one for quite some time


Pushing the wireless transmission envelope with the incandescent bulb on the cranium.
Wow! that's an awesome looking bench.  ;D

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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2019, 01:02:07 PM »
Well fancy that energy from nats widdle or was it droppings  you must show me how to do that one.
listen we need to get some brain thought pickings from Tinsel K  ;D
what is going round the internet now (youtube and on here some) is about negative energy (master ivo and JBidini info)
what is it and what's missing from it compaired to ordinary energy, holes where the free radical 'flies' 8) ::) :o :o have been
who knows ?

AG

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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2019, 05:41:59 PM »
You seem to be missing the point here.  The Ukrainian experiment proved that the insertion of the capacitor increased the output.  It is not about blowing the bulbs. It is about using the extra energy to produce a real gain and loop back into the circuit.
The increased output comes from electrostatic inductance (best from an earth ground). So you buy one  - you get one free - minus system losses. So how to convert the extra unit to you buy one which now becomes 2 and now you get two more free minus system losses.


Or lets put it into joules.
Start 1 joule in  get one joule free.
So loop it and we get 1 joule in plus 1 joule in free - now we get 2 joules more free - minus system losses. and so on ......
So how did Benitez do it?  Take a look guys. Use your brains guys.
We can surely do it better with today's tech.  Can't we???

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« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2019, 09:58:19 PM »
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   TK: I've also seen what happens to the neons that are placed on HV high frequency circuits, and left there to fry, and get all black. I commented that to Hoppy one day, he wanted to see the "proof", so I did show a similar chard neon bulb. CFl's and florescent bulbs will also get black spots on them, for the same reason. So, which bulb should I fry, next?
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The usual explanation is that the glass becomes sputter-coated with the electrode material that is boiling off the electrodes or simple filaments and being deposited as a thin film on the glass. But there are some intriguing hypotheses concerning possible elemental transformations or transmutations going on and that the black material may not in fact be the same composition as the electrode material itself. One of these days I'm going to ask my friend with the xray fluorescence (XRF) apparatus to take a look at some of the blackened glass envelope material. Or maybe Wesley would like to do it, I'll bet he has an XRF machine in that pile of lab equipment. If he doesn't he should.
At any rate we know we can generate the black bulbs at will, using several different techniques!
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Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2019, 10:00:17 PM »
You seem to be missing the point here.  The Ukrainian experiment proved that the insertion of the capacitor increased the output.  It is not about blowing the bulbs. It is about using the extra energy to produce a real gain and loop back into the circuit.
The increased output comes from electrostatic inductance (best from an earth ground). So you buy one  - you get one free - minus system losses. So how to convert the extra unit to you buy one which now becomes 2 and now you get two more free minus system losses.


Or lets put it into joules.
Start 1 joule in  get one joule free.
So loop it and we get 1 joule in plus 1 joule in free - now we get 2 joules more free - minus system losses. and so on ......
So how did Benitez do it?  Take a look guys. Use your brains guys.
We can surely do it better with today's tech.  Can't we???
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Sure. Now all we need to do is to agree on just how to measure those free Joules. Most of the time we can agree (not always!) on how to measure that one input joule, and we can usually measure that one output Joule too. It's that free Joule that is shy and doesn't want to show up on monitoring equipment or by powering other loads.

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« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2019, 10:03:47 PM »
Wow! that's an awesome looking bench.  ;D
You should see it now. It has acquired several more layers since I was doing that old work. I can still run EM wireless but I don't dare run E-field wireless at any substantial power because ... well, just because. Have to go outside for that stuff and it's too darn hot.

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2019, 10:41:36 PM »
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Sure. Now all we need to do is to agree on just how to measure those free Joules. Most of the time we can agree (not always!) on how to measure that one input joule, and we can usually measure that one output Joule too. It's that free Joule that is shy and doesn't want to show up on monitoring equipment or by powering other loads.
Well it didn't do a bad job blowing those bulbs - so that's a good starting point...

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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2019, 10:43:10 PM »

Or lets put it into joules.
Start 1 joule in  get one joule free.
So loop it and we get 1 joule in plus 1 joule in free - now we get 2 joules more free - minus system losses. and so on ......
So how did Benitez do it?  Take a look guys. Use your brains guys.
We can surely do it better with today's tech.  Can't we???

Let's see- I use 1 joule from my input to create .95 joule on the output (95% efficiency) and this is reasonable enough to complete the first cycle.  So next, I take the accumulated .95 joule and add it to the next 1 joule taken from the input for a total input of 1.95 joule which will then create a 1.85 joule output (again 95% efficiency).  And then I..... wait a minute!  I've used 2 joules to create 1.85 joules output in just two cycles so I'm in the hole already so no need to continue!  I must be doing something wrong.  Could you please explain my problem and why I don't see a gain?

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2019, 10:50:24 PM »
I think you can blow an incandescent bulb due to internal arcing in the bulb caused by the high voltage destroying the filament,
but does that tell you anything meaningful about output power? I am inclined to think it doesn't.

They stated that "Ammeter shows current consumption as net 1.2A", and for the second bulb,
"The current in this lamp in this configuration was 1.8 - 2.3A", but the operating frequency was
around 1 MHz. You need a special RF ammeter or RF current probe of some sort to measure currents at
such a high frequency, but they made no mention of the exact measuring equipment they used in that document
that I saw. This was apparently done by a doctoral candidate. Who writes an engineering paper and doesn't list the exact
measurement equipment used? That seems kind of sketchy.



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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2019, 10:54:36 PM »
Use 1 joule to create .95 joule and recover 0.95 from original joule

Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2019, 11:12:02 PM »
Well it didn't do a bad job blowing those bulbs - so that's a good starting point...
Sure, blowing bulbs is fun.   ;D
But is it OU?    :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aKuwNTiO7I

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2019, 11:20:01 PM »
I think you can blow an incandescent bulb due to internal arcing in the bulb caused by the high voltage destroying the filament,
but does that tell you anything meaningful about output power? I am inclined to think it doesn't.

They stated that "Ammeter shows current consumption as net 1.2A", and for the second bulb,
"The current in this lamp in this configuration was 1.8 - 2.3A", but the operating frequency was
around 1 MHz. You need a special RF ammeter or RF current probe of some sort to measure currents at
such a high frequency, but they made no mention of the exact measuring equipment they used in that document
that I saw. This was apparently done by a doctoral candidate. Who writes an engineering paper and doesn't list the exact
measurement equipment used? That seems kind of sketchy.
Which echoes my opinion from when I first worked on this. The paper is incomplete in its description of the data and how it was collected. It might pass for a 10th grade science fair project in the USA (and many things like it probably have, already). A graduate EE thesis.... well, it leaves one wanting. If we can't reproduce overunity measurements, and we don't know how the authors made their OU measurements, but we are familiar with artefacts in HVRF  measurement that they may not be... what are we to conclude?


 

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