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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2019, 10:14:51 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkAMNFKjds4&t=438s
but it's not an only way imho. The EM field is the REAL source of energy conservative ; the stream of energy go out from somewhere (ether or pure vacuum or whatever) and goes back and can DO work on electrons, but this work is free energy only in special cases - when the flow is steady, free and undisturbed.
If you create or must recreate this flow (at any rate) you must do work and spend energy, the same if you disturb it or have to recreate the dipole. Don't kill the dipole and the nature is providing the mirror energy.In case of the video above , once you do it electronically you will end up with capacitor charged at fast rate with very small energy expended to do it and can discharge it at slow rate. The only problem is in elements : it won't work with the simple electronic parts  . For example common capacitor does not have 3 terminals : the additional used for electrostatic induction effect. There is no simple spark gap controlled by gate working in open circuit though maybe mosfet could be used

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2019, 12:23:49 PM »
"How do you measure power?"
" The usual ways. But..." (insert paragraphs of autogenerated irrelevant text here) "and if your meters don't show OU you are not using them right."
"OK... but how do _you_ measure power?
" I already told you!" (insert more paragraphs of text)

This kind of "answer" is somehow unsatisfactory, although as a general obfuscatory strategy it is quite effective.


So let's be more specific. A fan blade is turned and moves air. How is the power dissipation of that fan blade measured? That is, just exactly how much power does it take to turn that blade at a specific RPM, how much air (in Cubic Feet per Minute, CFM) does it move, what's the pressure differential across the fan,  can one draw a graph of power dissipated versus CFM at various RPM, etc? In other words, is the fan blade calibrated?
 
I'm not talking about electrical power input to some motor that is turning the fan blade, although that is important, because the fan isn't 100 percent efficient, is it? Or is it? How can we even know the fan's overall efficiency at all if we do not actually know the _mechanical_ efficiency of the fan blade itself?


What is its power curve? For example a plot of Mechanical power at the blade shaft versus CFM at various RPM.  How is this measured? Can we see a raw power plot for a particular fan that might be used in, say, a demonstration of OU?  Is this data and information even known or considered by the demonstrator?


https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/docs/documents/197/VentilationFanPowerConsumption.gif


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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2019, 04:31:29 PM »
Benitez:  I'll try explain it this way. You give one pulse of one joule  to a capacitor plate A, The other plate  B charges up from the environment.
Before the second pulse you route the second plate B  via a series of diodes and coils back onto the first plate A.
The first plate now has one joule on it.
You pulse plate A again from your device and now Plate A has 2 joules on it and Plate B receives 2 joules from the environment.  Before you know it you have 1000 joules on plate A and plate B receives 1000 joues from the environment.  All minus system losses of course, and the energy is limited t0 the size of the capacitor.
This is the simple way to explain the concept. You don't need meters on this because the gain is self evident.
Now the way Benitez does it is he intercepts the inrush of charge to plate B with a system of coils and possibly interrupters and diodes. He fires the energy into the source to increase the source output.  Hope this makes sense. I have replicated the effect and had the Slayer self powered until night time. Let's have some help here guys. And try it and post your results.

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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2019, 04:51:27 PM »
Benitez:  I'll try explain it this way. You give one pulse of one joule  to a capacitor plate A, The other plate  B charges up from the environment.
Before the second pulse you route the second plate B  via a series of diodes and coils back onto the first plate A.
The first plate now has one joule on it.
You pulse plate A again from your device and now Plate A has 2 joules on it and Plate B receives 2 joules from the environment.  Before you know it you have 1000 joules on plate A and plate B receives 1000 joues from the environment.  All minus system losses of course, and the energy is limited t0 the size of the capacitor.
This is the simple way to explain the concept. You don't need meters on this because the gain is self evident.
Now the way Benitez does it is he intercepts the inrush of charge to plate B with a system of coils and possibly interrupters and diodes. He fires the energy into the source to increase the source output.  Hope this makes sense. I have replicated the effect and had the Slayer self powered until night time. Let's have some help here guys. And try it and post your results.
yes that was in book 5 final secrets Tom Bearden  complete with a circuit.  http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%20of%2015%20Feb%201994/index.html

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« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2019, 04:51:43 PM »
   Well A, that sound interesting. Can you at least post a picture? I'm sure that you must have a cell phone.
   So, it ran by itself? With no additional external input? And no load, how can you tell that it's running?What value capacitor are you using. Is there a recommended type of capacitor?
   Sorry for all the questions.   NickZ

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« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2019, 04:52:27 PM »
Benitez:  I'll try explain it this way. You give one pulse of one joule  to a capacitor plate A, The other plate  B charges up from the environment.
Before the second pulse you route the second plate B  via a series of diodes and coils back onto the first plate A.
The first plate now has one joule on it.
You pulse plate A again from your device and now Plate A has 2 joules on it and Plate B receives 2 joules from the environment.  Before you know it you have 1000 joules on plate A and plate B receives 1000 joues from the environment.  All minus system losses of course, and the energy is limited t0 the size of the capacitor.
This is the simple way to explain the concept. You don't need meters on this because the gain is self evident.
Now the way Benitez does it is he intercepts the inrush of charge to plate B with a system of coils and possibly interrupters and diodes. He fires the energy into the source to increase the source output.  Hope this makes sense. I have replicated the effect and had the Slayer self powered until night time. Let's have some help here guys. And try it and post your results.

Aking,

Thank you for your explanation above.  I have performed many experiments in the past involving electrostatic induction through various dielectrics and never "saw" what you apparently have seen.  I will run some bench tests of what you describe and will return.

Regards,
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« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2019, 04:58:06 PM »
Benitez:  I'll try explain it this way. You give one pulse of one joule  to a capacitor plate A, The other plate  B charges up from the environment.
Before the second pulse you route the second plate B  via a series of diodes and coils back onto the first plate A.
The first plate now has one joule on it.
You pulse plate A again from your device and now Plate A has 2 joules on it and Plate B receives 2 joules from the environment.  Before you know it you have 1000 joules on plate A and plate B receives 1000 joues from the environment.  All minus system losses of course, and the energy is limited t0 the size of the capacitor.
This is the simple way to explain the concept. You don't need meters on this because the gain is self evident.
Now the way Benitez does it is he intercepts the inrush of charge to plate B with a system of coils and possibly interrupters and diodes. He fires the energy into the source to increase the source output.  Hope this makes sense. I have replicated the effect and had the Slayer self powered until night time. Let's have some help here guys. And try it and post your results.

Hi a.king. Well, a couple of us have mentioned that we have tried such arrangements and didn't get any unusual results.
A circuit diagram of your exact circuit setup would be nice if you want other people to consider trying to replicate.


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« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2019, 05:15:29 PM »
Benitez:  I'll try explain it this way. You give one pulse of one joule  to a capacitor plate A, The other plate  B charges up from the environment.
Before the second pulse you route the second plate B  via a series of diodes and coils back onto the first plate A.
The first plate now has one joule on it.
You pulse plate A again from your device and now Plate A has 2 joules on it and Plate B receives 2 joules from the environment.  Before you know it you have 1000 joules on plate A and plate B receives 1000 joues from the environment.  All minus system losses of course, and the energy is limited t0 the size of the capacitor.
This is the simple way to explain the concept. You don't need meters on this because the gain is self evident.
Now the way Benitez does it is he intercepts the inrush of charge to plate B with a system of coils and possibly interrupters and diodes. He fires the energy into the source to increase the source output.  Hope this makes sense. I have replicated the effect and had the Slayer self powered until night time. Let's have some help here guys. And try it and post your results.
Uh oh. That is an unambiguous statement of a Self Powered Slayer.  I don't think anything more is going to happen until this claim is supported with a lot more detail and ... dare we say it.... evidence.

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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2019, 05:18:32 PM »
   Well A, that sound interesting. Can you at least post a picture? I'm sure that you must have a cell phone.
   So, it ran by itself? With no additional external input? And no load, how can you tell that it's running?What value capacitor are you using. Is there a recommended type of capacitor?
   Sorry for all the questions.   NickZ
Bingo! Nick you are on the ball. How can you tell it's running if there is truly no load? Thank you for that, no kidding, you have made my day.

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« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2019, 05:28:44 PM »
yes that was in book 5 final secrets Tom Bearden  complete with a circuit.  http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%20of%2015%20Feb%201994/index.html
Do you mean these circuits? They don't exactly correspond to the description above (no coils, no diodes, etc.), but they are simple enough and the claim is robust enough (no depletion of the source while the "collector" charges up and discharges into the load) that it should be relatively easy to check out.

However I  know people who have experimented with these circuits in the past, and they found, unfortunately, that the source does in fact provide all the energy that eventually reaches the load.

But don't let that stop anyone from building and testing. Just please report _all_ your results, including the nulls.

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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2019, 05:35:37 PM »
Bingo! Nick you are on the ball. How can you tell it's running if there is truly no load? Thank you for that, no kidding, you have made my day.
Hold on a moment in the TB video he says you need something like 2 or 3 KV but I tried it at a much lower voltage and it didn't work GeoFusion used a spark gap and made a video it's on his web site.

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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2019, 05:42:34 PM »
By a curious coincidence I just happen to have a little oneshot multivibrator demonstration set up on a breadboard, using half of a 4013.
It has LED output and pushbutton clocking and at the moment is powered by an aerogel supercap stack.

Simple to connect it to a dedicated square wave oscillator (what frequency?) and the mosfet gate drivers/op amps/mosfets, whatever, on the output side instead of or in addition to the LEDs. And there is another whole flipflop in that chip that isn't being used.


But seriously... a multivib for that application? Better to use a modern half or full Hbridge driver, no? You have more control over dead time, shootthru, protection for the mosfets, etc,

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« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2019, 05:50:59 PM »
Also I just have to point out that a single pulse charge with "no appreciable work" is not the same as with "no work" and all those little "not appreciable" steps of pulse charging to wind up with a _full_ charge do finally add up to appreciable work. Col. Bearden, nor any of his followers, have yet to eat that free lunch cake.

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Re: A-King 21 - build discussion /investigation
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2019, 06:02:02 PM »
It would be nice if even just one person out there who says they have encountered unusual
results would demonstrate it in a reasonable way. :)

P.S. Itsu. Please stick around. Your efforts are always appreciated here. :)

 

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