A glider can take energy from the environment and soar higher.

Now that is true, due to its being able to take advantage of the thermals...so..in effect, it is solar powered.

Bill

Now admittedly Larry, I have never used my Aero Engineering background to work on War Planes.
But everything that I know through REAL experience and experimentation in the Aeronautical Field can be applied to both Commercial and Military flight.

If you would like to know anything about aeronautics, please ask.
You do understand that flying saucers must at some point fly in an atmosphere,
and also in environments subject to a celestial body's gravitational field right ?

Well, you are in luck. That is my primary area of expertise.

So ask away. The knowledge I have in this field can mostly only be gained by many years of hands on experience.
There is no guesswork involved in aircraft development. So you are not going to get answers based only on "book learnin".

This could be a very valuable resource to you.

But I suspect you won't. And the reason will be that you do not want to hear anything that goes contrary to your ideas.
This is evidenced by the quote below.


Having communicated with you in this thread a few times now, I am curious to ask.
Have you formed an opinion of which one I am ?
Ignorant          or         paid debunker.


Or is this just a general insult at everyone.
Thus permitting replies such as the one from MemoryMan

Regards

Pete

Great.  You may be one of the first scientists on this thread to answer the following:

Bernoulli's Principle states that the pressure exerted on the side direction of a moving fluid will be less.  This is the normal answer given to why airplanes fly. 

My question is:  Does Pressure have direction?  Is Pressure a scalar or a vector quantity?

Please think very carefully before you answer.  This was the question that got my aerodynamics professor very upset 50 years ago.

I am sure we can have intelligent and scientific discussions related to flying saucers with and without atmosphere; on Earth and in outer space.

Lawrence
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From google, a search on electric motor manufacturers showed 944 entries.
http://www.thomasnet.com/products/electric-motors-52412608-1.html

The Chinese manufacturers already had a head start.  For world benefit, it will be a good idea to let the other manufacturers know about QMOGEN, Flying Saucer and this thread.  Sow seeds.

Lawrence
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Scalar.

Bernouille states that the  energy at any section in the flow will be the same, and so, if the velocity goes up - due to the longer, curved upper surface of the wing, the pressure goes down. This reduction in pressure causes an upward suction on the top of the wings - aka lift.

This is principally as manifested in David Beckham's famous goal scored from the corner with a corner kick - then called the Magnus Effect - possibly during the World Cup - was it versus Ecuador? (I suspect that goalie must still be getting nightmares).

Let us wait for PIH123 - a real professional in aerodynamics.  In the Internet, a layman and an expert can post.  Opinions are expected to differ.  The reader has to use his own judgment.

My judgment is that Tsinghua University QMOGEN is not a hoax and has been running since 1996.  The theory of lead-out energy is correct.  It explains the energy source of the device.  A good number of the over 50 QMOGENs compiled by Sterling Allan are not hoaxes.

It is also my judgment that both China and USA have Flying Saucers in development.  Some sightings and photos of UFOs are the results.

Paul-R, you are entitled to your opinion.  But think about the pressure facing the wind and the pressure perpendicular to the direction of the wind?  Is pressure really a scalar quantity?

My job is to sow seeds.  Let some readers think - can QMOGENs be real?  Can lead-out energy theory be correct?  Are Chinese and USA military developing Flying Saucers if the scientific explanation is laid out here?

Lawrence
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Paul-R, you are entitled to your opinion.  But think about the pressure facing the wind and the pressure perpendicular to the direction of the wind?  Is pressure really a scalar quantity?

Its not an opinion. It is part of the basic the physics of aerodynamics.

"pressure facing the wind?" You are confusing pressure which is very difficult to sense with the force of the moving air.

A pumped up bicycle tyre has pressure. But there is no difference between the pressure at the front to the pressure at the back of the wheel. Open and valve and let the air out and then the moving  air creates a force.

Its not an opinion. It is part of the basic the physics of aerodynamics.

"pressure facing the wind?" You are confusing pressure which is very difficult to sense with the force of the moving air.

A pumped up bicycle tyre has pressure. But there is no difference between the pressure at the front to the pressure at the back of the wheel. Open and valve and let the air out and then the moving  air creates a force.

Let us wait for PIH123.  Pressure in a non-moving environment will be the same in all directions.  But in motion...  Your understanding of aerodynamics will be challenged.

Your understanding of aerodynamics will be challenged.

My professor will be most irritated.

From the collection of QMOGENs, some did not use flywheels or unbalanced wheels at all.  They do not lead-out gravitational energy.  Can they lead-out magnetic or electromagnetic energy directly?

I believe the answer is YES.  Let me first list the possible situations that can lead-out gravitational energy.
1.  Horizontally push a pendulum.  The tension of the string will increase.  This increased tension will bring-in or lead-out gravitational energy.
2.  The Milkovic 2SO effect.  The Centrifugal Force will be highest when the bob is at the lowest point.  This plus the weight on the RHS will produce a higher clockwise moment and raise the Weight W1 on the LHS.  Gravitational energy is brought-in.  The Chan Wheel is the improvement.
3.  The athlete on a trampoline will exert the jumping force at the right time.  The re-bouncing force plus the jumping force will send the athlete up higher with each successive jump.  Some gravitational energy is brought-in to provide the greater height.
4.  A rotating unbalanced wheel at the end of a spring.  There will be vertical oscillation of the spring.  If the period of rotation matches that of the spring, the successive pulls will reinforce and bring-in gravitational energy.
5.  An unbalanced cylinder is effectively a super set of unbalanced wheels.  It can lead-out more gravitational energy.

If gravitational energy can be lead-out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be lead-out in a similar fashion.  This can be proven with the horizontal magnetic pendulum.

Thus, it is likely magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be lead-out in an oscillation system or rotating system.  Almost all electric motors or generators have rotations.  Leading-out magnetic or electromagnetic energy is theoretically possible.

My recommendation is - do the simplified Tsinghua University QMOGEN first and confirm that the unbalanced cylinder can lead-out gravitational energy.  Add this unbalanced cylinder to almost all rotating systems and bring-in the gravitational energy.

At the same time, find a pair of motor and generator that is commercially available and produce a QMOGEN for all to replicate.  This is being done by the Chinese (and other?) power motor manufacturers.  They already produce a series of motors and generators.

The top secret of China and USA on Flying Saucers and QMOGENs are out.  The secrets of the 188HP Laing Car and the 225HP Pulse Motor are unlikely to be kept for long.

Sterling Allan may be in jail but he can be sure that his effort in compiling QMOGENs is not wasted.

Divine Wine is for all to share...

Lawrence
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