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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2231735 times)

noonespecial

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2595 on: February 10, 2015, 04:32:39 PM »
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 10, 2015, 03:11:58 AM
An extremely daring thought:

2. A Rider can attach a lead weight at the rim of his back bicycle wheel.  Gravitational energy will be brought-in to help him.  Theoretically, he will be able to spend less energy to cover the same journey.


Doesn't this eliminate the 'bounce' component?
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ARMCORTEX

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2596 on: February 10, 2015, 06:00:46 PM »
How are we even sure that the bounce is even necessary, the centrifugal second oscillation of the midpoint has been done by Bobby only, and still we havent seen any news from him, of confirmed success.

We hav seen, 100'000's of dollars of machine building but still no video.

Do not try to find any logic in the above, Noones, you will only get confused.
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Paul-R

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2597 on: February 10, 2015, 06:21:59 PM »
Quote from: noonespecial on February 10, 2015, 04:32:39 PM
Doesn't this eliminate the 'bounce' component?
You are mixing up two ideas - the Milkovic and the Chas Chandler.
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noonespecial

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2598 on: February 10, 2015, 06:41:35 PM »
Quote from: Paul-R on February 10, 2015, 06:21:59 PM
You are mixing up two ideas - the Milkovic and the Chas Chandler.

I may have missed a response but don't know who Chas Chandler is (did you mean Campbell?). My point was that if there isn't a second degree of freedom (i.e. Milkovic, et al) l don't see any advantage or 'lead in' energy.
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ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2599 on: February 11, 2015, 12:15:25 AM »
Quote from: ARMCORTEX on February 10, 2015, 05:44:29 AM
Nothing is that easy, lets be honest.

And daisy chaining wont work either, how would that be different than a normal flywheel.

Lets be real, if it was that easy it would be done by now.

Theres something about oscillating shock input, I agree, but now we must investigate methods of actually achieving that.

Methods to achieve the goal, not the goal itself.

A balanced flywheel will store mechanical energy and smooth out the rotational speed.  It will not oscillate to lead-out gravitational energy.

An unbalanced wheel is essentially a flywheel with an additional weight attached to the rim.  It will store mechanical energy. It will produced the oscillation motion to lead-out gravitational energy.



The number of oscillation is once per revolution.  Engineers in the past automatically dismissed unbalanced wheel or cylinder because of the vibration or shaking that would "destroy" the structure.  They did not realize that they could lead-out gravitational energy. 

Please see the Chan Wheels videos on Youtube.  Focus on the comparison - balanced bicycle wheel will not lift the weight no matter the rotational speed.  Unbalanced bicycle easily reproduced the Milkovic effect...
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ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2600 on: February 11, 2015, 12:30:20 AM »
Quote from: noonespecial on February 10, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
I may have missed a response but don't know who Chas Chandler is (did you mean Campbell?). My point was that if there isn't a second degree of freedom (i.e. Milkovic, et al) l don't see any advantage or 'lead in' energy.

In your video (and many others), you found that the Input Energy seemed to decrease after rotating the unbalanced wheel.  If you pulse (or supply energy) to a pendulum, the amplitude of oscillation will increase.
The Lee-Tseung lead-out energy states that some gravitational energy is actually brought-in to provide the increase.  For small angles, two parts of the energy is the supplied pulse energy.  One part is the lead-out or brought-in gravitational energy.

If you supply energy to an unbalanced wheel, it will rotate faster.  At the same time, it will lead-out gravitational energy to make the rotation even faster.  I have not worked out the ratio yet...  The difficulty lies in the rotational friction.  If that is reduced, both balanced and unbalanced flywheels rotate freely independent of the weight of the wheel.

In the case of the unbalanced wheel, supplying more Input Energy may increase the shaking and destroy the device.  (Dr. Ting was very upset when his wheel axle was twisted.)
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2601 on: February 11, 2015, 12:31:06 AM »
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 11, 2015, 12:15:25 AM
A balanced flywheel will store mechanical energy and smooth out the rotational speed.  It will not oscillate to lead-out gravitational energy.

An unbalanced wheel is essentially a flywheel with an additional weight attached to the rim.  It will store mechanical energy. It will produced the oscillation motion to lead-out gravitational energy.



The number of oscillation is once per revolution.  Engineers in the past automatically dismissed unbalanced wheel or cylinder because of the vibration or shaking that would "destroy" the structure.  They did not realize that they could lead-out gravitational energy. 

Please see the Chan Wheels videos on Youtube.  Focus on the comparison - balanced bicycle wheel will not lift the weight no matter the rotational speed.  Unbalanced bicycle easily reproduced the Milkovic effect...

But again, this only works if there is more than one degree of freedom. For instance, the Chan wheel would lift absolutely nothing and be totally useless if it was not allowed to fall. An unbalanced flywheel does nothing without a second degree of freedom.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2602 on: February 11, 2015, 12:37:10 AM »
Quote from: ltseung888 on February 11, 2015, 12:30:20 AM
In your video (and many others), you found that the Input Energy seemed to decrease after rotating the unbalanced wheel.  If you pulse (or supply energy) to a pendulum, the amplitude of oscillation will increase.
The Lee-Tseung lead-out energy states that some gravitational energy is actually brought-in to provide the increase.  For small angles, two parts of the energy is the supplied pulse energy.  One part is the lead-out or brought-in gravitational energy.

If you supply energy to an unbalanced wheel, it will rotate faster.  At the same time, it will lead-out gravitational energy to make the rotation even faster.  I have not worked out the ratio yet...  The difficulty lies in the rotational friction.  If that is reduced, both balanced and unbalanced flywheels rotate freely independent of the weight of the wheel.

In that particular video, there was 2 degrees of freedom for the unbalance weight.
Not to sound like a broken record, but without that second degree of freedom you do not maximize the effect. Do you agree?
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ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2603 on: February 11, 2015, 12:45:45 AM »
Quote from: noonespecial on February 11, 2015, 12:31:06 AM
But again, this only works if there is more than one degree of freedom. For instance, the Chan wheel would lift absolutely nothing and be totally useless if it was not allowed to fall. An unbalanced flywheel does nothing without a second degree of freedom.

You are correct in pointing out the "second degree of freedom".  I attributed the shaking as a "second degree of freedom".  If not properly used or released, this second degree of freedom may destroy the device.

Both the Milkovic and Chan wheels use lifting weights to use or release the energy.

The Pulse Wheels such as Wang, Tong and Ting wheels use external loads to release the energy.  The Chas Campbell and the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier use another Generator to use or drain out the energy.
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Paul-R

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2604 on: February 11, 2015, 04:22:43 PM »
Quote from: noonespecial on February 10, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
I may have missed a response but don't know who Chas Chandler is (did you mean Campbell?)
Yes, I did. Sorry. (Chas Chandler was the bass player of "The Animals").
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ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2605 on: February 11, 2015, 08:45:59 PM »
Let us focus back on the experiment suggested in reply 2581.
 
That single experiment will confirm the Lead-out Energy Theory and provide practical energy to power electrical appliances.
 
The theory is simple.  Unbalanced Cylinder will lead-out gravitational energy.
 
It is a matter of matching the right motor, unbalanced wheel, belt or chain, generator and achieving the right rotational speed.  The best strategy is to have government support and work with Motor/Generator manufacturers or suppliers.
 
Einput + Egravity = Eloss + Eout
 
Eout = Ein + (Egravity - Eloss) 
 
So long as Egravity is greater than Eloss, Output Power will be greater than Input Power.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2606 on: February 12, 2015, 12:57:19 AM »
 ltseung888One thing you need to remember.  With the unbalances cylinder. You are also going to get a tremendous amount of vibration that can shake the whole machine apart.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2607 on: February 12, 2015, 01:15:31 AM »
For what its worth, here's a screen shot of a 2D simulation of two identical rotors. One with an unbalanced weight and one without. They both exhibit the exact same total energy, which is the sum of both kinetic and potential energies.

There doesn't appear to be any advantage to the unbalanced wheel in a static configuration.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2608 on: February 12, 2015, 01:55:07 AM »
I think Chalkalis tried that in real life with large weight, he never came through with a OU claim, but it did move continuously.
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ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2609 on: February 12, 2015, 08:01:24 AM »
Quote from: noonespecial on February 12, 2015, 01:15:31 AM
For what its worth, here's a screen shot of a 2D simulation of two identical rotors. One with an unbalanced weight and one without. They both exhibit the exact same total energy, which is the sum of both kinetic and potential energies.

There doesn't appear to be any advantage to the unbalanced wheel in a static configuration.

I do not believe in simulation.  It does not predict lead-out energy in any situation.  I believe the assumptions made in the program rule out lead-out energy.
 
We either have to re-write the simulation program or believe in real experiments.
 
We can all see the lifting of weights in the Milovic 2SO with the pendulum.  We can all see the lifting of weights in the Chan Wheel.  There must be something wrong with the simulation program if it cannot predict the observations...
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