Not quite independent... Clearly the lever is energized by the pendulum and thus takes energy from it. Even though the pendulum movement seems to be unhindered by it, the pendulum will, logically spoken - and this I also noticed in my tests -, swing less, that is shorter, when the lever is allowed to move along. This you can test. If positive to you as well, - mind e.g. the position of the pivot point, high or low - that doesn't mean that there wouldn't be any gain in efficiency of transmitting pulses this way. But the OU claim still needs to be proven by experiment before we can confirm that we have gold in our hands here. So indeed go ahead and build a loop. But we mustn't confuse efficiency gain with energy gain.

Everything you said is correct. Lever is taking some energy from pendulum. Part of that energy is used on working side of lever, another part is bounced back to pendulum. Easiest test to prove pendulum energy loss on lever is by fixing lever so it cant move. Pendulum will swing very long because pendulum is loosing energy only in frictions (bearings, air, etc.).

Energy cant be created nor destroyed and there is no perpetuum mobile (not proven yet and i don't have interest in doing so). My goal is to use small energy to channel large energy, its like martial arts. Using small energy to overcome energy barrier so we can manage flux of gravity field, extracting large energy.

P.S.
Guys from Texas with 1340kg pendulum don't even get milkovics movements. Take look at lever ratio, frequency of pendulum & working mass. They put in a lot of effort and money in but i don't see anything what milkovic describes. For me, waste of resources, too bad.

Everything you said is correct. Lever is taking some energy from pendulum. Part of that energy is used on working side of lever, another part is bounced back to pendulum. Easiest test to prove pendulum energy loss on lever is by fixing lever so it cant move. Pendulum will swing very long because pendulum is loosing energy only in frictions (bearings, air, etc.).

Energy cant be created nor destroyed and there is no perpetuum mobile (not proven yet and i don't have interest in doing so). My goal is to use small energy to channel large energy, its like martial arts. Using small energy to overcome energy barrier so we can manage flux of gravity field, extracting large energy.

P.S.
Guys from Texas with 1340kg pendulum don't even get milkovics movements. Take look at lever ratio, frequency of pendulum & working mass. They put in a lot of effort and money in but i don't see anything what milkovic describes. For me, waste of resources, too bad.

There is still Reidar Finsrud with his claim of a working perpetuum mobile machine working since 1996 you know. The thing does not deliver energy, but keeps running for over a decade by now. He also uses the inertial oscillation of a steel ball on a track and primary and even secondary pendulums. That he has in common with Milkovic.

See my vid on him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q

AnandAadhar

Thanks for the info, ill make it and check the results then try to loop it together, i cant see why it cant work seen as its easy to keep the pendulum swinging so the force from the lever sustains it??

Alex

Read this paper
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Mechanical_Feedback_Loop.pdf

RHEAD re-uploaded his video

UpDate on escapement that works for 2 stage oscillator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol4jU7e910Y

Some new pendulum video

Milkovic`s com dois pêndulos opostos e defasados em 90 graus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mCUgx-3SPo

Here is something (un)related, but it looks nice

Free Energy Gravity Wheel P2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoJx6BcAnas

Free Energy Gravity Wheel TX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11SrQRH7qbw

A swing is a swing, it does not matter if it swings 10 feet or 5 feet. A swing is easy to sustain once its swinging no matter what distance it swings. Therefore, in the two stage oscillator, SOME of the energy is indeed extracted from the swing into the lever, causing the swing to of slightly decreased, but its still a swing. Over all, there is no increase in energy, but like I said above, so long as its still swinging, it remains easy to sustain, so therefore, the energy extracted from the swing into the lever can then be put into the now slightly reduced swinging pendulum to sustain its swing. Because it retains the power of free movement, you can subtract a certain amount of energy from the pendulum, then put it back into the pendulum just to sustain it. You could probably even increase the pendulums swing through its own swinging. You can probably control if the pendulum is caused to just sustain its current swing or increase via the difference or distance between the two weights.

Because the lever does cause the pendulum to stop swinging earlier than just a single pendulum, it may indeed take slightly more energy to sustain its swing but the energy from the lever should be more than enough evidently from the videos i have seen.

P.S To put it simply, a swinging pendulum that has a swing span of 10 feet is more than enough to sustain itself if, through energy extraction, its swing is reduced to a 5 feet span.

Alex

Yeah, I realize that the swing is constantly being reduced, but the output from the lever must be enough to sustain the swing. I'm on a build at the moment to loop the output back into the pendulum. If it fails then there must be something quite interesting to learn from this. The free movement of the pendulum is an important idea in the search for perpetual motion i am sure because Bessler talks about "retaining the power of free movement" which to me means that, the POWER of FREE MOVEMENT is like a pendulum on the two stage oscillator, it swings with its own power even though its got a kind of load on it and it is therefore easy to sustain the swing.

Alex

Before you try to construct something you must also try to tell where that extra energy would come from.... the output lever moves because of the pendulum transferring a part of its energy plus the energy that was triggered by it from an unknown source you somehow have to address logically. It must be space energy somehow, but how did you address it? By the lever moving the pivot point alone? Suppose you succeed, then what is your explanation? The pulse transferred to the lever was amplified by what?

Well, supposing, because the lever is weighted at the end, you extract the energy close to the pivot point of that lever so to get a kind of leverage in order to sustain the pendulum?

P.S Would it be a good idea to post a picture of my simple idea before I finish the build or would that be a bit risky in case the thing worked?


Alex