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Offline Jimboot

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4050 on: June 28, 2015, 12:40:22 PM »
Now there is a waste of air time.

Roll on bathurst ;)
I'll watch it when they're all electric :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4052 on: June 28, 2015, 01:04:54 PM »
Chris, I forgot about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqFOIOTYt-4&list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9

The highest performance pulse motor architecture you will find complements of yours truly.

Well i'm simple out of words with you constatation ! Very good !

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« Reply #4052 on: June 28, 2015, 01:04:54 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4053 on: June 28, 2015, 01:45:08 PM »
Here is the next test video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJbNcmJCac


Great work tinman. Just curious, have you tried putting your output via an isolation diode or bridge to a second battery to see if you can
charge it with a greater current than the supply battery current ?


People insist on looping to prove OU, but positive feedback loops are not always beneficial, often due to mis-phasing and impedance mismatching.


However, a linear throughput to a secondary battery with a greater current than the supply current would be just as astounding
and just as practical to put to good use.


In almost every OU claim with batteries, it is the charging current which always falls short. High output voltages are easy to achieve
but current is always lacking, and always less than the supply at the necessary voltage for charging, with eventual drain down of
both supply and charging batteries, even when swapped over continually.


If you can loop this device - great, but If you can't, but can still charge a second battery at a greater CURRENT rate than the supply current, then you've still got me hooked, line and sinker.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4054 on: June 28, 2015, 01:49:49 PM »

Great work tinman. Just curious,


People insist on looping to prove OU, but positive feedback loops are not always beneficial, often due to mis-phasing and impedance mismatching.


However, a linear throughput to a secondary battery with a greater current than the supply current would be just as astounding
and just as practical to put to good use.


In almost every OU claim with batteries, it is the charging current which always falls short. High output voltages are easy to achieve
but current is always lacking, and always less than the supply at the necessary voltage for charging, with eventual drain down of
both supply and charging batteries, even when swapped over continually.


If you can loop this device - great, but If you can't, but can still charge a second battery at a greater CURRENT rate than the supply current, then you've still got me hooked, line and sinker.


KneeDeep

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have you tried putting your output via a diode or bridge to a second battery to see if you can
charge it with a greater current than the supply battery current ?

One would think that with all the pulse motors i have built that charge one battery while running from another-this would have been one of the first things i would have done ::)-->but i never gave it a thought.
Im heading back out to the workshop now lol.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4055 on: June 28, 2015, 02:18:59 PM »
Here is the next test video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJbNcmJCac

Tinman,

What is the maximum I and V rating of your bench supply?

PW

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4056 on: June 28, 2015, 02:48:10 PM »
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One would think that with all the pulse motors i have built that charge one battery while running from another-this would have been one of the first things i would have done [/size]-->but i never gave it a thought.Im heading back out to the workshop now lol.


TinMan,


What is the no load voltage output?  I see that it is around 9V loaded but I am curious what it is without a load.  If you already stated it in one of the videos, I must of have missed it.  I have not even tried to look for it in this thread, because it has become really cluttered.  Are you discussing this somewhere else on any other forums or threads?  It is rather time consuming to filter through all the personal stuff that is going on in this thread.   By the way, I thought your window pulse motor was awesome!  I had never seen that build before.  Very nice work.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4057 on: June 28, 2015, 02:54:04 PM »
Brad,

As I mentioned at OUR, trying to charge even a different 12V battery isn't going to work, because your output is only about 10V. If you try charging a 6V battery, then it may work.

However, I think the best solution would be to buy that boost DC to DC converter (or something similar) so that you can not only charge the 12V run battery, but adjust the charging voltage, effectively allowing you to change your load for optimal power transfer.

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« Reply #4058 on: June 28, 2015, 03:16:55 PM »
Here is the next test video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJbNcmJCac

Thanks Brad for this excellent test. Having a separate Voltage meter on your input battery has made this very convincing, as now we can also see the battery recover when you apply the load. In you prior test using the scope to measure battery voltage I never saw a change in input battery voltage when you switched the load on and off. I couldn't understand why no change in battery voltage when the input was dropping by over 1 Amp under load. Now we can clearly see the battery recovery.
This way of measuring and filtration should be the standard for anyone wanting real results.

.99 suggestion above seems good.

I have no home at this time (living in my van) but I'm very excited about what you have found, so today I'll be pulling stuff out of my storage and will try a replication of your effect.

Thanks for sharing what you can to this point.

Luc

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« Reply #4059 on: June 28, 2015, 03:17:11 PM »
Brad,

As I mentioned at OUR, trying to charge even a different 12V battery isn't going to work, because your output is only about 10V. If you try charging a 6V battery, then it may work.

However, I think the best solution would be to buy that boost DC to DC converter (or something similar) so that you can not only charge the 12V run battery, but adjust the charging voltage, effectively allowing you to change your load for optimal power transfer.

.99,

It would be interesting to see what Tinman's in/out measurements look like with a few different loads on the output.  So far, we have seen the one lamp that works out to a 6R or so load.  I wonder what the in/out numbers look like with two or three lamps in series on his output.

His motor, when loaded, appears to be around 16R.

Also, in his first video, Tinman had the battery minus and output cap minus tied together thru his scope probe grounds with apparently no ill effect on the operation of the device.  Being able to intentionally connect those two points together would eliminate the need for an isolated converter, if a converter is indeed required, and allow direct out to in looping tests.

I suggested using a couple diodes, one from Batt+ to motor in, and another from output cap+ to motor in, to see if the output can pick up any of the input load as the load on the output is decreased (thereby allowing the output V to rise).  But before doing so, I would want to see the results of in/out measurements at various output loads (and again, only if the Batt- and output cap- can be tied together)
 
Always great to hear from you...

PW

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4060 on: June 28, 2015, 03:39:44 PM »

TinMan,


What is the no load voltage output?  I see that it is around 9V loaded but I am curious what it is without a load.  If you already stated it in one of the videos, I must of have missed it.  I have not even tried to look for it in this thread, because it has become really cluttered.  Are you discussing this somewhere else on any other forums or threads?  It is rather time consuming to filter through all the personal stuff that is going on in this thread.   By the way, I thought your window pulse motor was awesome!  I had never seen that build before.  Very nice work.

Without a load,coil A will lift the voltage in a cap to over 130 volts,but with coil B in operation the mosfet will blow at around 45-50 volts,as it is triggered by the reverse voltage of coil A.

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By the way, I thought your window pulse motor was awesome!  I had never seen that build before.  Very nice work.

Yes,built that one a couple of years back now. It was when myself and a youtube member by the name of DadHav were seeing how efficient we could get them to run. But John's builds were far better than mine-->i have never seen any other window motor built to his standards.

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« Reply #4061 on: June 28, 2015, 03:44:55 PM »
Hey PW,

You and Mark are doing a great job here keeping things on track with Brad. ;)

I agree on the load testing. I suggested to Brad that his load may not yet be optimal, and that the Pout and/or COP may increase with some load tweaking.

Diode isolation as you suggested is a good idea to try (it may allow the loop connection without stalling the motor), but I'm not sure ultimately if isolation is the problem. If the output voltage can be stepped up in order to actually charge the battery (i.e. Vout ~ 13.5V to 14V), then hopefully the output coil can be properly and optimally loaded.

A boosting DC to DC converter may be the ticket.

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« Reply #4062 on: June 28, 2015, 03:47:18 PM »
Brad,

As I mentioned at OUR, trying to charge even a different 12V battery isn't going to work, because your output is only about 10V. If you try charging a 6V battery, then it may work.

However, I think the best solution would be to buy that boost DC to DC converter (or something similar) so that you can not only charge the 12V run battery, but adjust the charging voltage, effectively allowing you to change your load for optimal power transfer.

No,as i stated at OUR,the output voltage can exceed 12 volts easy,but the current drop is not linear when the voltage is raised.If we raise the voltage by say 1 point,we loose 2 points in current.
I think the DC to DC converter will work-->if we can keep the front end resistance between 5 and 9 ohms at around 10 to 13 volts input.

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« Reply #4063 on: June 28, 2015, 03:50:59 PM »
That's the gist of what I am trying to say Brad.

If the load seen by the coil can be adjusted (via converter output voltage and current), then hopefully you can loop it AND maximize the Pout/Pin ratio.

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« Reply #4064 on: June 28, 2015, 03:55:25 PM »
.99,

It would be interesting to see what Tinman's in/out measurements look like with a few different loads on the output.  So far, we have seen the one lamp that works out to a 6R or so load.  I wonder what the in/out numbers look like with two or three lamps in series on his output.

His motor, when loaded, appears to be around 16R.



I suggested using a couple diodes, one from Batt+ to motor in, and another from output cap+ to motor in, to see if the output can pick up any of the input load as the load on the output is decreased (thereby allowing the output V to rise).  But before doing so, I would want to see the results of in/out measurements at various output loads (and again, only if the Batt- and output cap- can be tied together)
 
Always great to hear from you...

PW

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Also, in his first video, Tinman had the battery minus and output cap minus tied together thru his scope probe grounds with apparently no ill effect on the operation of the device.  Being able to intentionally connect those two points together would eliminate the need for an isolated converter, if a converter is indeed required, and allow direct out to in looping tests.

Ok,how can i explain this so as it makes sense as to why you cant hook the positive of the output to the positive of the input.

Build your self an SSG pulse motor-the simple school girl circuit setup.
Now,in stead of connecting the positive of the run battery to the negative of the charge battery,hook the negative of the run battery to the negative of the charge battery,and then try and hook your positive output to the positive of the charge battery,and see what happens.

There is no problem linking the negative on the input with the negative on the output,but you simply cannot hook the positive of the output to the source positive.

 

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