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Offline picowatt

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4080 on: June 28, 2015, 11:22:41 PM »
@Tinman,

This simple voltage doubling circuit between the bulb wires and battery should work fine!

Tinman's output is DC.  The doubler you propose requires an AC input.

However, a simple switched capacitor doubler is a possibility.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4080 on: June 28, 2015, 11:22:41 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4081 on: June 28, 2015, 11:45:25 PM »
Tinman's output is DC.  The doubler you propose requires an AC input.

However, a simple switched capacitor doubler is a possibility.

PW

You're right! An inverter chip would help. I believe the switched capacitor doubler delivers A.C. ; The voltage doubler D.C. So take your pick.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4082 on: June 28, 2015, 11:49:47 PM »
EMJ
It is not that MH is a goon,and TK is very good at what he dose. But when MH insists that all videos must be presented with data,but cannot answer a simple question about presented device(what is it we are looking at that is so wonderful),then that seems a little two faced to me. Demands are made,but no information given on his behalf. What i see is a neon being lit,and a rotor spining,by a circuit that requires 2.5 watts of power-->but it is suppose to be Quote:The highest performance pulse motor architecture you will find complements of yours truly. ???

Still say it is very inefficient :D

@Tinman - Fully agree  ;)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4082 on: June 28, 2015, 11:49:47 PM »
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Offline synchro1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4083 on: June 28, 2015, 11:54:30 PM »
@Tinman - Fully agree  ;)

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The MHOP is a good example of "Garbage Art".

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4084 on: June 28, 2015, 11:59:42 PM »
The MHOP is a good example of "Garbage Art".

What does that mean?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4085 on: June 29, 2015, 12:02:12 AM »
@The Pests here,

Tinman is doing the best he can here to field Questions/Comments.

I suggest you lay off a bit, leave the poor man to do what he does! Build your own if you want questions answered!

Tinman will no doubt be getting sick of your harassment's! Build your own if you want questions answered!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4086 on: June 29, 2015, 12:40:25 AM »
You shouldn't be saying anything when your web page has unethical criminal adds on it.  How many people did you and your Argentinian partner rip off last month Chris?  Does dirty money get you excited or something?

Synchro1 is just being a total hypocrite because when the MHOP was being developed he got all excited about it.  It was nothing more than a gratuitous statement of ugliness and nastiness and a total lie because that's something he craves.  Ugliness and hypocrisy.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4087 on: June 29, 2015, 12:46:50 AM »
You shouldn't be saying anything when your web page has unethical criminal adds on it.  How many people did you and your Argentinian partner rip off last month Chris?  Does dirty money get you excited or something?

Synchro1 is just being a total hypocrite because when the MHOP was being developed he got all excited about it.  It was nothing more than a gratuitous statement of ugliness and nastiness and a total lie because that's something he craves.  Ugliness and hypocrisy.

Chris should partner with Sterling, et al.  Chris tries sometimes to come off as a good guy, but if he is ripping off hapless dupes for money, then I feel sorry for him.  Totally bad Karma there.  I would never tolerate those types of ads on my website.  There are none like that now, and there never will be.  I do not need money that desperately to do such a thing.

What a hypocrite.

Bill

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4088 on: June 29, 2015, 12:59:07 AM »
All Tinman needs to do is to run the positive bulb wire to the positive battery electrode and see if the battery increases it's charge. Naturally, the grounds need to be connected too.
If you have been paying attention, Tinman dos not think that he can do that.  I have suggested some tests that do not risk harm to his circuit that will resolve the issue.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4088 on: June 29, 2015, 12:59:07 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4089 on: June 29, 2015, 01:02:35 AM »
@Tinman,

This simple voltage doubling circuit between the bulb wires and battery should work fine!
Do you think that works with DC?  What do you think the current looks like with AC?

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4090 on: June 29, 2015, 01:07:12 AM »
Tinman:

Okay, we will hack through this stuff.

I said, "The highest performance pulse motor architecture you will find complements of yours truly."

You said, "Not even close lol" and linked to a clip of one of your "very efficient" motors.

There is either a problem with your comprehension, or you just want to think what you want without even trying to understand what people are saying to you, or you can't see more than 30 inches past your own nose.

I said, "highest performance pulse motor architecture."   Now you think about what that really means before you go running for one of your clips.  I made no claims about any kind of efficiency at all.  "Highest performance" does not necessarily mean I am talking about "current consumption."  It certainly doesn't have anything to do with making a neon light up.  It's about the architecture of the motor, and that completely flew over your head.  TK built a demonstration motor based on the architecture, a "concept motor" if you will.  He didn't give a rat's ass about current consumption or RPMs, nor did I.  He just found an old setup to hack into and turn it into a motor based on the architecture.  He was just demonstrating the technology.  Nor was I even referring to any numbers associated with his motor, because that was not the point at all.

So your whole pitch about your "efficient" motor in comparison to what TK built is completely misdirected and not even applicable to what I was talking about.  Hence my frustration and hence my staying away from your current build.

Beyond that, you still can't understand the concept of "efficiency."  I told you within the last 24 hours that efficiency without defining it is meaningless bullshit.  Yet you still pushed forward and had a chuckle about your "efficient" motor outperforming the MHOP motor.  "Your motor took two watts to light a neon."  WTF are you talking about?

The challenge for you is this if you want to up your game:  If you are going to build a pulse motor (or anything), then you can give yourself one or more design goals.  For each of your design goals you can create one or more metrics for those design goals.  That is supposed to make the the whole thing more interesting.

Also, it's baffling to me after all this time that you aren't thinking about the implications and ramifications behind some of the things you are saying.   Joe Blow builds a pulse motor with a 19 pound rotor sitting on a big pair of ball bearings.  Frank Blow builds a pulse motor with a rotor that's based on the helical spinner in a VCR and it weighs a total of five grams.  Now, can you compare the current consumptions for the two motors?  Of course you can't.  It's the same thing when you compare your motor that you linked to and TK's MHOP motor.  They just can't be compared, it's total bullshit to spit out numbers for two completely different motors.  It's like saying, "My Vespa uses less gas than your tank" and to be picky, you are not defining what "uses gas" means.  i.e.; what does "current consumption" mean?  It has to be tied to something tangible, like RPMs or power output to a charging battery.  Just "current consumption" alone in a statement is meaningless, it's a "orphan" measurement in search of something else to give it real meaning.

For the MHOP demo motor that TK built, and the architecture of the motor itself, it's actually a very simple design.  But in this realm on the forums it's "light years" ahead of a typical pulse motor.  There are a good six or seven solid reasons for it kicking the ass of any conventional pulse motor.  Based on what you posted, either it didn't sink in or you didn't look at the clips, which include detailed schematics.  I don't think there is a separate thread for it, but searching on "MHOP" should get you there.

I will repeat to you:  If you are going to be real, it's a totally false notion to compare two different motors unless you develop some kind of protocol to do that.  Likewise, you have to put your thinking cap on when you talk about the "efficiency" of a motor and actually define what you mean by that, have some sort of a metric.  Think of a car, it's liters per 100 kM city driving, and liters per 100 kM highway driving.  Nobody says, "My car uses uses 240 CC of gas" because it's meaningless.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4090 on: June 29, 2015, 01:07:12 AM »
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4091 on: June 29, 2015, 01:18:01 AM »
You shouldn't be saying anything when your web page has unethical criminal adds on it.  How many people did you and your Argentinian partner rip off last month Chris?  Does dirty money get you excited or something?

Synchro1 is just being a total hypocrite because when the MHOP was being developed he got all excited about it.  It was nothing more than a gratuitous statement of ugliness and nastiness and a total lie because that's something he craves.  Ugliness and hypocrisy.


Chris should partner with Sterling, et al.  Chris tries sometimes to come off as a good guy, but if he is ripping off hapless dupes for money, then I feel sorry for him.  Totally bad Karma there.  I would never tolerate those types of ads on my website.  There are none like that now, and there never will be.  I do not need money that desperately to do such a thing.

What a hypocrite.

Bill





I have reported you both to the Moderators! Your continued Petty Behaviour has continued to distract a Serious Thread for too long!

Stefan, please Ban these two from visiting this Thread! We do not want them here!

Good Bye!

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4092 on: June 29, 2015, 01:28:04 AM »
That's your second try.  I may talk tough sometimes in a tough-love sense but I am no whackadoo like you.  I have something to contribute and you don't.  If you were wise you would modify your behaviour and switch from being a caricature of a person and become a real person.  People would welcome that, and welcome you.

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« Reply #4093 on: June 29, 2015, 01:28:09 AM »
Aside from one or two individuals we all know of, one would have to try pretty hard to screw up an input power measurement involving a DC supply. In 2011 I clearly outlined how to do it (see pages 33-34, 39-41 in the document) with one DMM on a noisy high frequency switching circuit.

The real challenge is and always has been output power measurements.

So far I can not find any fault in Brad's measurements, and I am cautiously optimistic they are correct. However, I would only gain 100% confidence in the actual measurements unless I performed them myself (after examining the setup of course to ensure no funny business and no ooops's). ;)

Are you serious Poynt?.

I knew this was coming,but i didnt think it would come from you after knowing me for some period of time,and what i am about. The measurements are looking solid,but still yet to be 100% confirmed,and it has started already-->and from you of all people. This is something i would expect from people like MH,who believe in nothing more than what there dusty old books tell them. But to come from some one who believes the TPU is a possibility,and should know me by now,is not really what i wanted to see at this point in time.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4094 on: June 29, 2015, 01:43:00 AM »

Are you serious Poynt?.

I knew this was coming,but i didnt think it would come from you after knowing me for some period of time,and what i am about. The measurements are looking solid,but still yet to be 100% confirmed,and it has started already-->and from you of all people. This is something i would expect from people like MH,who believe in nothing more than what there dusty old books tell them. But to come from some one who believes the TPU is a possibility,and should know me by now,is not really what i wanted to see at this point in time.

Hear Hear - Well Said Tinman!!!

Bump!

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