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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3990 on: June 27, 2015, 10:43:43 AM »
Tinman,

That's what I wanted to see.  Thanks.

PW

OK,this is good.

So tomorrow i will carry out the test that Mark has posted above. I will also scope across the output using AC coupling when carrying out the V and A test on the output.
I will also get a reading off my lux meter,and we then can place a DC current across the same globe,and wind up the power until the lux meter reads the same light output. We should end up with the same power value that we had from the RT unit.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3991 on: June 27, 2015, 10:47:50 AM »
OK,this is good.

So tomorrow i will carry out the test that Mark has posted above. I will also scope across the output using AC coupling when carrying out the V and A test on the output.
I will also get a reading off my lux meter,and we then can place a DC current across the same globe,and wind up the power until the lux meter reads the same light output. We should end up with the same power value that we had from the RT unit.
That sounds good to me.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3992 on: June 27, 2015, 11:00:29 AM »
Those shots should assure all that the decoupling is working well.  At this point the oscilloscope is not necessary and the measurements can all be performed with DMMs.

Has Tinman not already done this?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3992 on: June 27, 2015, 11:00:29 AM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3993 on: June 27, 2015, 11:15:03 AM »
Has Tinman not already done this?

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Yes,but without the small clamping caps in the system.
While doing all these scope shots and measurements today,the small caps do very little. With or without them,my DMM's read the same. As i have stated many times,my DMM's do a very good job at averaging out messy signals. But we do as we are asked,and by following advice by those that know more than me,only helps to set things in stone.

Should have the video up by noon tomorrow-my time. But now my wife and i are off to a 21st-->yah ::),40 drunken miniboppers to put up with.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3994 on: June 27, 2015, 11:26:08 AM »
Yes,but without the small clamping caps in the system.
While doing all these scope shots and measurements today,the small caps do very little. With or without them,my DMM's read the same. As i have stated many times,my DMM's do a very good job at averaging out messy signals. But we do as we are asked,and by following advice by those that know more than me,only helps to set things in stone.

Should have the video up by noon tomorrow-my time. But now my wife and i are off to a 21st-->yah ::),40 drunken miniboppers to put up with.

Yes, I was under this impression also, Some DMM's are very reliable at low frequencies, and even more reliable at DC! I never have claimed to be an EE Expert and there is a lot I am still learning in the EE arena. Mostly know enough to get by, or enough to find the information I need.

High Frequencies DMM's Very unreliable! Don't use em for High Freq! You and I and most here will already know this.

Yes, I agree, so many "Requirements" needed from our Resident Guru EE's - This is good in some ways and we are lucky, but gee they are a Pain to deal with.  :P

Enjoy the Party, become young again with the Boppers! For it is these Young People that we are really working for!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3995 on: June 27, 2015, 11:35:40 AM »
Yes,but without the small clamping caps in the system.
While doing all these scope shots and measurements today,the small caps do very little. With or without them,my DMM's read the same. As i have stated many times,my DMM's do a very good job at averaging out messy signals. But we do as we are asked,and by following advice by those that know more than me,only helps to set things in stone.

Should have the video up by noon tomorrow-my time. But now my wife and i are off to a 21st-->yah ::),40 drunken miniboppers to put up with.
Thanks.  Unfortunately, this is the way of things.  The more unexpected the apparent results, the more important it is to execute the tedious process of crossing t's and dotting i's.  It is unfortunately the only way to insure that what is unexpected is real and not a perceptual or other error. 

DMMs do typically average very well once the signal content is above around 50Hz and do so typically within a couple to a few percent all the way into the MHz.  Poynt99 and others have tested this rigorously on DMMs ranging from cheap to very expensive.  However, various meters can be thrown off by external RF interference which brush motors are very good at generating.  The decoupling capacitors greatly reduce the possibility of error from such effects. 

Your earlier tests comparing DC drive of the bulb from a bench supply with the same voltage as indicated by the DMM in the test configuration, and the relatively quiet scope traces give us good confidence that the ~10.4V and ~17W load measurements are valid.  The apparent input power that is far less conflicts with First Principles, so we cannot take lightly the task of very carefully eliminating all identifiable possible error sources.  If tomorrow it still looks like the input power is well below the output, then the next sanity check is going to be to attempt to set-up a self-loop. We will not be done until we can either account for what you have seen to date with a conventional explanation, or you've got a machine that runs itself.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3996 on: June 27, 2015, 11:52:38 AM »
Thanks.  Unfortunately, this is the way of things.  The more unexpected the apparent results, the more important it is to execute the tedious process of crossing t's and dotting i's.  It is unfortunately the only way to insure that what is unexpected is real and not a perceptual or other error. 

DMMs do typically average very well once the signal content is above around 50Hz and do so typically within a couple to a few percent all the way into the MHz.  Poynt99 and others have tested this rigorously on DMMs ranging from cheap to very expensive.  However, various meters can be thrown off by external RF interference which brush motors are very good at generating.  The decoupling capacitors greatly reduce the possibility of error from such effects. 

Your earlier tests comparing DC drive of the bulb from a bench supply with the same voltage as indicated by the DMM in the test configuration, and the relatively quiet scope traces give us good confidence that the ~10.4V and ~17W load measurements are valid.  The apparent input power that is far less conflicts with First Principles, so we cannot take lightly the task of very carefully eliminating all identifiable possible error sources.  If tomorrow it still looks like the input power is well below the output, then the next sanity check is going to be to attempt to set-up a self-loop. We will not be done until we can either account for what you have seen to date with a conventional explanation, or you've got a machine that runs itself.


Wow, big difference from your typical one liners!

Coming from MarkE, so far this is good!

Re: conventional explanation: I firmly believe it is Induction, standard Induction. Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Fields. Some of my experiments have shown this to be the only answer that is really possible.

E.G: Turns/Inductance can be the difference between a working device and a non working device. If Tinman were to take off 20% of his turns then the end result would change such. Too many turns can go the other way!

At least, this is my opinion, Tinman's Rotary Transformer is quite obviously not exactly the same as my work, and what I replicated. But he seems to agree the basic underlying principals are the same? Tinman?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3997 on: June 27, 2015, 12:10:11 PM »

 But he seems to agree the basic underlying principals are the same? Tinman?

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OK-the truth?
I have no idea what to believe in any more.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3998 on: June 27, 2015, 12:16:24 PM »
OK-the truth?
I have no idea what to believe in any more.
I suggest that you should believe what you can verify from reliable sources, or by reliable means.

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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3999 on: June 27, 2015, 12:31:48 PM »
I suggest that you should believe what you can verify from reliable sources, or by reliable means.


Hahaha - MarkE!

Tinman, please come to your own conclusions, in your own time, like you already have!

MarkE, you consider me not to be a reliable source, but yet you are here gobbling up all the data you can get your hands on. On a thread you don't believe that Concepts work.

If only you knew, if only you could see, if only your demeanor, you could observe from outside your little bubble. It really is laughable how you look down on others, from the seat you put yourself in! You are no better than anyone else here, and no more important! Never will be!

For it is now that simple things are shown to you that you could never comprehend even up in your High Chair!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4000 on: June 27, 2015, 04:27:05 PM »
TinMan
As always   you show How to get things done and not waste time, you use your resources here wisely and with gratitude ...whatever the outcome .
You  and those helping you make good measurements  are a great example of how this thread should Look.

I must add ,I hope the biggest lesson here will add to our knowledge of what is truly possible .

Regardless the outcome you stand head and shoulders above the noise.

Respectfully
Chet







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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4001 on: June 27, 2015, 05:36:05 PM »
@Tinman,

I'm trying to trace the connection from the negative side of the Diode. Would it be fair to say Coil B shorts itself through Coil A? I can't tell how to distinguish the "Closed Switch" configuration from the "Bucking Coil" loop.

Normally a diode needs the negative side connected to a ground to conduct current, but if the voltage from Coil B exceeds the Cap charge, the diode may send it through Coil A.

I think both Coils may contribute to deliver the overall "Torque".








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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4002 on: June 27, 2015, 11:43:00 PM »
Hi tinman

i understand very well that you want to be sure that your  "out of the box" results have to be be accepted by.....  ME and ......PW and even ...........MH or on the top by .99 , to reassure you of what you seem to get ??

So far i see at this time, and thank's to your measurement donation , it seems that ME is happy with your measurement process .

And my question is, what is your intention next,

Will you try to patent the hided "concerning element "

Or will you disclose openly and without any problem your invention to all of us so we can replicate ?

Laurent



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4003 on: June 27, 2015, 11:54:12 PM »
TinMan
As always   you show How to get things done and not waste time, you use your resources here wisely and with gratitude ...whatever the outcome .
You  and those helping you make good measurements  are a great example of how this thread should Look.

I must add ,I hope the biggest lesson here will add to our knowledge of what is truly possible .

Regardless the outcome you stand head and shoulders above the noise.

Respectfully
Chet

Chet, maybe You could crowd fund Tinman, do something useful for those that can work without all the Limitations of the World on them! Open to real things that are possible when ones mind is not closed!

Tinman, need a new Rigol, new FG, new Car?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4004 on: June 28, 2015, 02:43:25 AM »
Chet, maybe You could crowd fund Tinman, do something useful for those that can work without all the Limitations of the World on them! Open to real things that are possible when ones mind is not closed!

Tinman, need a new Rigol, new FG, new Car?

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I take issue with how you are funding yourself.  I see you have apparently hooked up with some dude in Argentina and you are selling pixie dust video downloads.  When I did some digging on your Spanish friend I found a page where they said he was associated with up to 25 web sites.  I did a partial Google Translate on one other web site associated with him and it looked like some kind of "audio therapy" system for losing weight and stuff like that.

I am holding my nose, tale a look at the next eight pictures:

 

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