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Offline picowatt

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3975 on: June 27, 2015, 05:24:18 AM »
Yes-coil B is the one that is shorted.
When coil B become's open,then a small amount of current can flow back to the cap via the resistor-->this current is negligible,but every bit help's. I shouldnt even call it a current flow,but that is the result when you need to pull down the Fet

That is correct. Coil B's main job is to provide torque and to buck the rotors field at the right time. As i also explained in the video,this bucking effects coil A through the inductive path of the stator core,and thus the two coils are inductively coupled to each other as well as to the rotor.

PW-You need to add in the bit's that i spoke to you about via PM-the bits of the device i had concerns with.

OK, this explanation is more in line with my previous understanding and my confusion has evaporated a bit.

Is the following statement accurate?

The current flow you are depicting via the red arrows is a negligible amount of current, more akin to a bias current and does not represent a significant amount of the output current produced by the device.

PW

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3975 on: June 27, 2015, 05:24:18 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3976 on: June 27, 2015, 05:50:54 AM »
OK, this explanation is more in line with my previous understanding and my confusion has evaporated a bit.

Is the following statement accurate?

The current flow you are depicting via the red arrows is a negligible amount of current, more akin to a bias current and does not represent a significant amount of the output current produced by the device.

PW


This is just getting more and more confusing!

If we are talking Gate Current, then 10.40 Volts on the Cap is going to do what? FET on 24/7  :o

Lets not forget that the IRF540 has an Internal Diode!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3977 on: June 27, 2015, 05:54:12 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3977 on: June 27, 2015, 05:54:12 AM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3978 on: June 27, 2015, 06:34:12 AM »
OK, this explanation is more in line with my previous understanding and my confusion has evaporated a bit.

Is the following statement accurate?

The current flow you are depicting via the red arrows is a negligible amount of current, more akin to a bias current and does not represent a significant amount of the output current produced by the device.

PW
That is correct.

I want you to look at the two scope shot's below PW.
This is as close to my RT that i could whip up in a solid state version(to date). This is extremely close to the workings of the MEG<--believe it or not.

The input current is being measured over a 33 ohm resistor(yellow trace),and the output current is also being measured over a 33 ohm resistor(blue trace)-->no cap's,just straight from the inductor.
The first scope shot show's current in and out without the component of concern.
The second scope shot shows current in and out with that component installed.
No other parameters where changed during the installation of said component.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3979 on: June 27, 2015, 06:41:55 AM »

This is just getting more and more confusing!

If we are talking Gate Current, then 10.40 Volts on the Cap is going to do what? FET on 24/7  :o

Lets not forget that the IRF540 has an Internal Diode!

You are making assumptions EMJ that you know how the Fet is wired up.
I ask you this. If we take the simple SSG circuit that has a pot and resistor in series with the trigger coil/base and emitter of the transistor. The depicted series connection go's- emitter,trigger coil,pot,100 ohm resistor ,base. Would it matter if it went-emitter,100ohm resistor,pot,trigger coil,base ?.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3980 on: June 27, 2015, 06:52:41 AM »

As a Can of Worms opens here on this thread, we get some ideas why I have held back showing my work!


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What can of worm's EMJ?.
What i have seen is some here telling me and others how my device works
There have been claim's that current from coil B flows through coil A-->it dose not.
Coil B is not shorted-->yes it is.
The coil's are partnered-->no there not.

Current is flowing from coil B-->very little. Not even enough to light a 1/2 watt bulb.
The resistor go's to the gate of the mosfet,and thus is fed current from the cap--> really :o<--an assumption base on what you see in the schematic.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3981 on: June 27, 2015, 07:02:57 AM »
You are making assumptions EMJ that you know how the Fet is wired up.
I ask you this. If we take the simple SSG circuit that has a pot and resistor in series with the trigger coil/base and emitter of the transistor. The depicted series connection go's- emitter,trigger coil,pot,100 ohm resistor ,base. Would it matter if it went-emitter,100ohm resistor,pot,trigger coil,base ?.

@Tinman - Your Rotary Transformer is a Very Elegant piece of work! Simple and straight forward!

Not forgetting that the Two Coils on the Stator are Magnetically Coupled via the Stator Housing and also a Coupling via the Rotor, which you kindly pointed out in your Video. These Coils can only work one way! This we both know.

Electrically, and Mechanically, this can also work one way. Although an arrangement of components may not make any real difference!

You know how simple this is! Also How Cheap this can be! Time wise, its not so cheap!

Best I leave this here. I do get a little overly excited on certain things. Tinman, you're a good bloke, I am sorry for pushing! I can say, you're light years ahead of the masses! Well Done!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3982 on: June 27, 2015, 07:13:23 AM »
What can of worm's EMJ?.
What i have seen is some here telling me and others how my device works
There have been claim's that current from coil B flows through coil A-->it dose not.
Coil B is not shorted-->yes it is.
The coil's are partnered-->no there not.

Current is flowing from coil B-->very little. Not even enough to light a 1/2 watt bulb.
The resistor go's to the gate of the mosfet,and thus is fed current from the cap--> really :o<--an assumption base on what you see in the schematic.

@Tinman - I am a bit of a stubborn Prick - Have removed my post.

Apologies.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3983 on: June 27, 2015, 08:25:27 AM »
OK-confusion here ???

PW wanted to see a scope shot using AC coupling.
So i switched to AC coupling while taking some scope shots across the 1ohm CVR.
The results are below-->why when i switch to AC coupling on the scope do the traces drop to 0 volt's?,but on DC coupling,the traces read correct-second scope shot.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3984 on: June 27, 2015, 08:39:52 AM »
OK-confusion here ???

PW wanted to see a scope shot using AC coupling.
So i switched to AC coupling while taking some scope shots across the 1ohm CVR.
The results are below-->why when i switch to AC coupling on the scope do the traces drop to 0 volt's?,but on DC coupling,the traces read correct-second scope shot.

Surely you jest...  Of course the traces drifted back to zero in AC coupling...

What I wanted to see though was AC coupling with the vertical sensitivity increased sufficiently to make the noise on the in/out rails visible when the decoupling caps are in place. 

Your previously posted scope shots are interesting.  Do those input current peaks that run off the top of the screen go much higher?  (Could've moved the Vposition down a bit)

PW 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3985 on: June 27, 2015, 08:46:42 AM »
OK-confusion here ???

PW wanted to see a scope shot using AC coupling.
So i switched to AC coupling while taking some scope shots across the 1ohm CVR.
The results are below-->why when i switch to AC coupling on the scope do the traces drop to 0 volt's?,but on DC coupling,the traces read correct-second scope shot.
Because AC coupling blocks the DC and attenuates low frequency signal components (something EMJ may still not understand).  PW just wants to see the noise: particularly any spikes that may be riding on top of the mostly DC signal.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3986 on: June 27, 2015, 08:54:49 AM »


What I wanted to see though was AC coupling with the vertical sensitivity increased sufficiently to make the noise on the in/out rails visible when the decoupling caps are in place. 



PW

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Surely you jest...  Of course the traces drifted back to zero in AC coupling...

Nope-one forgot to turn up the vertical sensitivity :-[
Junior scope operator here ::)

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Your previously posted scope shots are interesting.  Do those input current peaks that run off the top of the screen go much higher?  (Could've moved the Vposition down a bit)

No,they stop right at the top of the screen,which is why i didnt drop it down a division .

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3987 on: June 27, 2015, 09:25:04 AM »
OK,to get any sort of a mess on AC,i had to switch my V/divisions down as low as they can go on my scope-2mV P/D

Yellow trace across P/in wires--> voltage
Blue trace across amp meter-->current
First scope shot without load on output.
Second scope shot with load on output.
Third scope shot showing scope not hooked to anything-->probes lying on bench.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3988 on: June 27, 2015, 09:43:46 AM »
OK,to get any sort of a mess on AC,i had to switch my V/divisions down as low as they can go on my scope-2mV P/D

Yellow trace across P/in wires--> voltage
Blue trace across amp meter-->current
First scope shot without load on output.
Second scope shot with load on output.
Third scope shot showing scope not hooked to anything-->probes lying on bench.
Those shots should assure all that the decoupling is working well.  At this point the oscilloscope is not necessary and the measurements can all be performed with DMMs.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3989 on: June 27, 2015, 10:12:42 AM »
OK,to get any sort of a mess on AC,i had to switch my V/divisions down as low as they can go on my scope-2mV P/D

Yellow trace across P/in wires--> voltage
Blue trace across amp meter-->current
First scope shot without load on output.
Second scope shot with load on output.
Third scope shot showing scope not hooked to anything-->probes lying on bench.

Tinman,

That's what I wanted to see.  Thanks.

PW


 

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