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Pirate88179

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2055 on: April 14, 2014, 12:04:24 AM »


   
       If it was any good there's no reason a qualified person wouldn't be able to verify it.
    Koala, MarkE and Mark Dansie are all really honest as far as I can see and I wouldn't
    doubt their scientific ability.
                        John.

I agree 100%.  Well said Sir.

Bill

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2056 on: April 14, 2014, 12:50:46 AM »
Mark Dansie:

You are misunderstanding the context or I was not clear enough.  There is no attacking of you.  The issue is that Wayne clearly stated that his development group got direction from you that they did not have an over unity system.  The issue is on Wayne's side.

It makes no sense at all that his development team would not understand if they had over unity or not, and they had to get guidance from you.  It's akin to developing an electric shaver and your development team is not sure if it can shave a man's beard or not and they have to get in a consultant to tell them if they are on the right path or not.  It is absolutely ridiculous.

Just like Wayne's description of his system is in absolutely ridiculous nonsensical pseudo technical terms that make no sense.

Wayne poses his 'hardball' question challenging people to explain his alleged technology and the question is absolutely ridiculous and doesn't even make any sense.  Just like his description of his alleged system doesn't even make any sense.

Wayne got caught making a statement that destroyed his already destroyed credibility.  I wasn't there for your visits so I can only use my own common sense to try to make sense of this ZED fiasco.  You advising his 'team of engineers' if they had over unity or not is a completely ridiculous farce as far as I am concerned.  This is not about you at all, it's about Wayne and his alleged team.  It's like a scene right out of the movie Dr. Strangelove.

MileHigh


Thanks MH my bad, but I did qualify I could be misreading it. Thanks you for taking the time to clarify it.


Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2057 on: April 14, 2014, 12:51:03 AM »

MileHigh
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Once again MH......Troll
The math has no opinion, it has no alliances, it has no prejudices, it has no gangs..
Facts are facts......
The ZED STILL HAS ALL ITS INPUT AFTER THE EXTERNAL LOAD IS LIFTED....
Tell me another system that can do that.......................or will you come back with another psych babble analysis instead of the facts.....
You owe us an apology
 
Thanks.....

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2058 on: April 14, 2014, 01:01:07 AM »

        For it to work you'd need at least 150% back from a stroke and the machine would
    have to be colossal.
                              John.
Every time you try to claim our system is colossal - I laugh - who are you trying to convince - maybe new readers....or what --- You and I have discussed this over and over....
..............
Just in case -
Do you remember the Anomaly that MarkE refused to answer - after he claimed non exists in our system....
We have more buoyancy lift than is physically displaced' ...........HINT: That concentrates the foot print.........
Well thanks for bringing it up again.....
p.s. MarkE spread sheets show that too.......
Thanks for helping...

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2059 on: April 14, 2014, 01:13:18 AM »

Wayne got caught making a statement that destroyed his already destroyed credibility.  I wasn't there for your visits so I can only use my own common sense to try to make sense of this ZED fiasco.  You advising his 'team of engineers' if they had over unity or not is a completely ridiculous farce as far as I am concerned. 
MileHigh
Excuse me???
LOL - I will ask you one more time...
How do you divide into ZERO????
You don't - you think that is ridiculous???
...................
Once the mechanical barrier was broken (past tense for us) to be able to build a machine that harness a process able to generate energy - without fuel, without consuming anything...
The maturity was required to realize that Over unity - was not the only method available to generate Net Energy.
I know you do not get this yet..... because you keep acting superior and insulting good people.
We have a Paradigm shift in the understanding of mechanics----- Mechanical Free Energy does not require Over unity - it requires A Super conservative process.... 
Evaluating it as a Over unity device - is a Pre - paradigm shift Error -
We work as we 'might' to catch you up----- but you are not listening.
You only posture for another self Ego stroke....
 

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2060 on: April 14, 2014, 01:14:09 AM »
Wayne:

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The ZED STILL HAS ALL ITS INPUT AFTER THE EXTERNAL LOAD IS LIFTED....

Bollocks.  You clearly are not even capable of posing a question or describing a system in comprehensible scientific terms.  You want to pose the question in scientific terms with diagrams that illustrate the problem then you will get an answer.

It makes me think of Webby all proud after posing a similar question to me.  The "catch" was that if a descending bucket is falling under the influence of gravity and also attached to a pulley that lifts another smaller bucket as it falls, then the descending bucket hits the ground with less kinetic energy because some energy was used to lift the smaller bucket.  I clearly explained to Webby that all the energy was accounted for and everything balanced.  I can only guess that Webby was looking for a "victory" and it somehow ties into your "alleged answer to your bizarre and incomprehensible question" quoted above.

So if you want to get out of the Wayne reality distortion zone and pose a question that is actually comprehensible and makes sense and is supported with diagrams and appropriate supplementary information, then I may endeavour to answer it.   However, based on your past history, I am not sure if you are capable.

MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2061 on: April 14, 2014, 01:20:50 AM »
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Once the mechanical barrier was broken (past tense for us) to be able to build a machine that harness a process able to generate energy - without fuel, without consuming anything...
The maturity was required to realize that Over unity - was not the only method available to generate Net Energy.
I know you do not get this yet..... because you keep acting superior and insulting good people.
We have a Paradigm shift in the understanding of mechanics----- Mechanical [color=#0081BD !important][/color] does not require Over unity - it requires A Super conservative process.... 
Evaluating it as a Over unity device - is a Pre - paradigm shift Error -
We work as we 'might' to catch you up----- but you are not listening.
You only posture for another self Ego stroke....

You are not listening.  Stop talking in your "Wayne universe" nonsense talk and talk in a coherent scientific way that makes sense.  If you can't do that it is just another giant blazing 20-story-tall Las Vegas sign proclaiming for all to see that you are a complete and total fraud.

Plan B, if this is beyond your capacity. is to show something that works.

MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2062 on: April 14, 2014, 01:50:00 AM »
Once again MH......Troll
The math has no opinion, it has no alliances, it has no prejudices, it has no gangs..
Facts are facts......
The ZED STILL HAS ALL ITS INPUT AFTER THE EXTERNAL LOAD IS LIFTED....
Tell me another system that can do that.......................or will you come back with another psych babble analysis instead of the facts.....
You owe us an apology
 
Thanks.....

One word for this Mr Wayne Travis... Bullshit.

Your maths will prove anything you like if you indulge in modelling the system in a way that does not represent physical reality.

Show us where you are actually powering an external load and then come back and then prove the potential is still retained.  You will not, because if you did your model would be a first law violation and would not represent physical reality as science currently understands it.

By all means present a model of gravity that allows for it to be non-conservative, but expect it to be well scrutinised by those who actually understand the physics.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2063 on: April 14, 2014, 02:19:22 AM »
Wayne:

Bollocks.  You clearly are not even capable of posing a question or describing a system in comprehensible scientific terms.  You want to pose the question in scientific terms with diagrams that illustrate the problem then you will get an answer.

It makes me think of Webby all proud after posing a similar question to me.  The "catch" was that if a descending bucket is falling under the influence of gravity and also attached to a pulley that lifts another smaller bucket as it falls, then the descending bucket hits the ground with less kinetic energy because some energy was used to lift the smaller bucket.  I clearly explained to Webby that all the energy was accounted for and everything balanced.  I can only guess that Webby was looking for a "victory" and it somehow ties into your "alleged answer to your bizarre and incomprehensible question" quoted above.

So if you want to get out of the Wayne reality distortion zone and pose a question that is actually comprehensible and makes sense and is supported with diagrams and appropriate supplementary information, then I may endeavour to answer it.   However, based on your past history, I am not sure if you are capable.

MileHigh
You have added something scientific to the discussion?
I must have missed it...

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2064 on: April 14, 2014, 02:23:46 AM »
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You have added something scientific to the discussion?
I must have missed it...

Bullshit.

That's a pathetic attempt at diversion.  The issue is can you or can't you pose a question that actually makes sense in proper scientific terms with accompanying diagrams and supplementary data.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2065 on: April 14, 2014, 02:27:55 AM »
You are not listening.  Stop talking in your "Wayne universe" nonsense talk and talk in a coherent scientific way that makes sense.  If you can't do that it is just another giant blazing 20-story-tall Las Vegas sign proclaiming for all to see that you are a complete and total fraud.

Plan B, if this is beyond your capacity. is to show something that works.

MileHigh
Three mistakes you make -
 
It is my invention - not yours - I will use terms that I feel fit the description.
You do not get it at all.... and that's Ok - why waste your time here?
Third - your pathetic attempts to insult me out of relevance did not work with any of the hands on members.....You are wasting your time.
Now.....
When you explain why we can not reuse the input in a ZED - In scientific terms - I will show you "again" how we do...
Good day
Stop the diversions - games and insults...
 
 

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2066 on: April 14, 2014, 02:34:26 AM »
One word for this Mr Wayne Travis... Bullshit.

Your maths will prove anything you like if you indulge in modelling the system in a way that does not represent physical reality.

Show us where you are actually powering an external load and then come back and then prove the potential is still retained.  You will not, because if you did your model would be a first law violation and would not represent physical reality as science currently understands it.

By all means present a model of gravity that allows for it to be non-conservative, but expect it to be well scrutinised by those who actually understand the physics.
Gee Librea... I thought you might say that my math was useless - good guess on my part.
Do you trust MarkE's Math?
Mike adjusted the process as we had asked MarkE to do about twelve times - to show a similar process the ZED uses...instead of his insistence that we must "pop up"
Down load it and answer the physics question? - how much energy is left on the system after the external work is performed?
Thanks

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2067 on: April 14, 2014, 02:36:34 AM »
I see Wayne is a Polly Parrot.

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I will use terms that I feel fit the description.

No you will not use terms that you feel fit the description.  You are playing with hydraulics and pneumatics and the proper scientific terminology for describing these systems exists.  Stop your ridiculous nonsensical baby talk and describe your question and your system properly.

You make a laughing stock of yourself when you use that baby talk.  If you met a group of mechanical engineers that design hydraulic and pneumatic systems they would think that you were nuts.

MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2068 on: April 14, 2014, 02:40:36 AM »

Now.....
When you explain why we can not reuse the input in a ZED - In scientific terms - I will show you "again" how we do...


Such re-use would be a clear violation of the first law. You know the one that says 'Energy cannot be created or destroyed'.

To power an external load, energy is leaving the system, It's up to you to show where energy enters the system to account for this output.

If you try to argue no energy enters the system then you are creating that energy out of nothing. That does not happen.

If you claim the energy is some how 'coming from gravity' then show exactly how and where a mass is being lifted that requires less energy input than the potential it gains.

Another source might be expansion in the air it contains. This is perhaps more likely.. the amount of verbiage you produce is more than enough to generate the hot air this would require.


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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2069 on: April 14, 2014, 02:49:56 AM »
I see Wayne is a Polly Parrot.

No you will not use terms that you feel fit the description.  You are playing with hydraulics and pneumatics and the proper scientific terminology for describing these systems exists.  Stop your ridiculous nonsensical baby talk and describe your question and your system properly.

You make a laughing stock of yourself when you use that baby talk.  If you met a group of mechanical engineers that design hydraulic and pneumatic systems they would think that you were nuts.

MileHigh
Not answering the question and more insults...yep Troll