Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED (Read 761239 times)

mrwayne · « **Reply #2010 on:** April 13, 2014, 03:03:05 PM »

Quote from: Marsing on April 13, 2014, 09:37:47 AM

Post a copy of your Nda, so here will be no more one asking about your engineer qualification, hide the thing that you think confidential, i see that's the only way, or you reveal one.

good night.

I have watched the diversions for over two years - this one is pathetic.

mrwayne · « **Reply #2011 on:** April 13, 2014, 03:05:54 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on April 13, 2014, 10:21:04 AM

As predicted you can't find anyone with an actual technical reputation to vouch for you. Sure Wayne, tell your silly story. Everyone knows that no scientist would want to be associated with you, so of course they would demand you never disclose their association with your fraud.

Diversion Troll.
I know you are not stupid MarkE that only leaves one reason you refuse to admit what the Math clearly shows .... Troll

mrwayne · « **Reply #2012 on:** April 13, 2014, 03:09:38 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on April 13, 2014, 10:29:04 AM

Ah, we now enter the world of the fraud Wayne Travis': Wayne speak. Bad guy: That's you Wayne, sells fraudulent investment in non-existent free energy technology.

Mondrasek has yet to offer any claim for his proposed change. Gravity is still conservative with or without adding a static weight.

Really, you stick with that one...
p.s. So you do not confuse people more with that diversion - we do not alter gravity - as we have said many many times..... As RED SUNSET explained many times - We alter the process during different orientations......
Makes using Gravity as an energy source possible...
Thanks

mrwayne · « **Reply #2013 on:** April 13, 2014, 03:16:06 PM »

Quote from: powercat on April 13, 2014, 11:36:58 AM

Wayne You Missed It Travis

MarkE ask you a simple question, Name a single Ph.D. and/or professional engineer who endorses your fraud. You won't and we all know why.

Did you just miss the above question, will RE Post it in bold (save you going back and looking for it)
Name a single Ph.D. and/or professional engineer who endorses your fraud. You won't and we all know why.
There it is simple as simple is, in plain words on the page, but we know your answer will be nothing but excuses and insults.

Gee Powercat - Did you almost miss the troll band wagon.......
Now seriously - who is insulting you - you spit vile trash, slander good people, refuse to admit your lies, and then you cry because one person stood up to your suppression and lies..... Troll
Tell everyone this Powercat - by what physic's have you proven our machine does not work as claimed and as MarkE inadvertently proven?
or more insults to cover up and divert.....
Yeah........ you do not have character either.

mrwayne · « **Reply #2014 on:** April 13, 2014, 03:17:58 PM »

Quote from: webby1 on April 13, 2014, 01:30:06 PM

Mark,

Show exactly where Wayne has said this.

Since you can not then this is an absolute falsehood, and one done with full understanding and knowledge.

How much is left in a real ZED Mark,, you keep avoiding the question, after lift how much input is left in the system.

I can tell you how much, all of it is still there and still at full pressure. This simple fact is enough for any reasonable person to realize that the "ideal ZED" is not a ZED and that your conclusions drawn from those experiments about the functionality of a real ZED are false.

DITO...

mrwayne · « **Reply #2015 on:** April 13, 2014, 03:22:44 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on April 13, 2014, 02:21:49 PM

Read his posts Tom. The fraud Wayne Travis claims that he has Ph.D.s and engineers who support his fraudulent claims. He does not. He has cooked up the claim that NDAs prevent him from identifying such individuals. They do not exist.

You are surely free to continue to demonstrate your ignorance of basic science by trying to suggest that Wayne's fraudulent claims have any possibility of being true.

MarkE,
If you are not going to admit you are wrong - stop being a liar on this thread and bug off.
Your diversion tactics will no longer be tolerated.
Tom is right - "any" reasonable person can see the obvious facts here - one - that the energy is still in the Zed and could be recycled... Hence my term "Super Conservative" fits nicely.
And two: that you are a fraud - refusing to accept your own Math....
P.s. Our team - is awesome...

markdansie · « **Reply #2016 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:29:45 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 09:11:41 AM

What a joke, just like Mark Dansie "correcting" the understanding of your alleged TEAM OF ENGINEERS. There is no team of engineers from what I can discern, just you and perhaps a few cronies.
MileHigh

I have been consistent from day one where I did see a device that I stated would have to run at the time for at least two days to meet my criteria. I am not sure "what I corrected". I am also under an NDA which I will always honor (I have may dozens of them with different technologies I assess)
Just a few other points.
1. I use my real name and contact details in public
2. I always state I use qualified scientist and engineers to assist in my work, at least three have visited Wayne offering advice on a wide range of topics namely what would be required with an assessment of a POC
3. I have met with qualified engineers and college educated assistants in Wayne's group that do believe in what they are doing, I also know of several others who have visited and have assisted from time to time. They have presented their cases, sometimes with genuine conviction. However I am not qualified to analyse what was presented to me.
4. I am not involved in the project development, but have offered along with several other of my engineer and science friends to be available to assist with evaluating any proof of concept.
5. I have in person on three occasions advised on what outcomes I would be looking to be satisfied that it did what was claimed.

I really am not sure why you want to attack or shoot the messenger (me). Go read revolution-Green where I regularly expose technologies as scams and technologies that are just BS. I am running a series on Hope-Girl and the QEG at the moment.

I have also stated I will stay out of this or any other discussion where I am under NDA and do not have the skill set to argue the science and calculations use. Does that mean I am endorsing Wayne? No, I will wait till a proof of concept comes available to complete my assessment.

Perhaps I misread your intent MileHigh, but suggesting I am some sort of joke and I am correcting my stance is perhaps a reflection on my communication skills. I have respect for you, Mark E and TK. I have at time have received criticism from you and TK, which I have taken on board and in some cases acted upon. But I have always treated you all with integrity, is it too much to ask the same.

Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

powercat · « **Reply #2017 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:35:40 PM »

Quote from: mrwayne on April 13, 2014, 03:16:06 PM

Gee Powercat - Did you almost miss the troll band wagon.......
Now seriously - who is insulting you - you spit vile trash, slander good people, refuse to admit your lies, and then you cry because one person stood up to your suppression and lies..... Troll
Tell everyone this Powercat - by what physic's have you proven our machine does not work as claimed and as MarkE inadvertently proven?
or more insults to cover up and divert.....
Yeah........ you do not have character either.

As predicted you avoided the question, you must have missed it, it's a perfectly reasonable question, I will posted again for you, maybe we'll help you if it's in red letters,
Name a single Ph.D. and/or professional engineer who endorses your fraud..

Marsing · « **Reply #2018 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:48:14 PM »

Quote from: mrwayne on April 13, 2014, 03:03:05 PM

I have watched the diversions for over two years - this one is pathetic.

mrwayne

Do you think i tried to make diversion ?, show us that your nda stated that you must hide your engineer identities, dunno how, or maybe just type it here, so, there will be no more one asking about your engineer, right ?. you talk about diversion, if you can eliminate "engineer issue" then you can eliminate at least one diversion, the discussion will run smoothly on mathematical proof only, that's my point, but sadly you took it wrong.

sometime, i think it is you who make diversion, but whatever..

see your actual machine, October next years.

peace...

Magluvin · « **Reply #2019 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:52:50 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on April 13, 2014, 02:21:49 PM

Read his posts Tom. The fraud Wayne Travis claims that he has Ph.D.s and engineers who support his fraudulent claims. He does not. He has cooked up the claim that NDAs prevent him from identifying such individuals. They do not exist.

You are surely free to continue to demonstrate your ignorance of basic science by trying to suggest that Wayne's fraudulent claims have any possibility of being true.

Hmm. I can imagine that if Wayne were to introduce an engineer or Ph.D here, it would be necessary to give their full name and possibly some other ID in order for it to be checked out that they are really who they say they are.

Well wouldnt that be a wonderful thing for that engineer or Ph.D to do so, reveal who they are in the real world right here and now, along with complete information so they can be hassled in their lives beyond this forum. I can see it now.....

"Well hello Mr. Fraud Engineer and accomplice Mr Fraud Ph.D?. Tell us your lies Mr engineer. Tell us your Lies Mr Ph.D."

Right off the bat.

Yeah, that would be fun for them, considering the NDA would be in the way of them being able to explain anything further than has already been discussed here. So whats the point?. More people to slander and insult consistently? I would not subject these people to this sort of 'non professionalism'.

Like I said above, these people would have to fully identify themselves in order for it to be believed that they are who the claim to be. And if they were to read through this thread first to see who and what abuse and bullying they would be subjected to, why would they want to even get involved in that kind of demonizing and never ending consistent insults and libel?

So what would be the point in Wayne doing so if they could not divulge anything beyond the NDA?

What, the NDA is an indication of fraud?

They are 'very' important documents when presenting and idea to others so as to protect the idea by revealing to chosen others. It is standard procedure in presenting new ideas/inventions. Show me an example that an NDA is an absolute indication of fraud. So you can drop that balony right here and now.

Heck, TK woulndt ever reveal who he is, no way no how. He would not reveal his full credentials, where and how they were obtained. For what reasons? The same that these engineers and Ph,D's 'should not' engage here with full presentation as to who they are in the real world. This thread is a perfect reason and example. Pretty simple really.

And if you said, " Oh, I will be cordial and only kind words will be used when conversing with them Wayne" Why would anyone believe that?

After reading all the bashing towards Wayne, Tom, Mike and Larry, WHY WOULD ANYONE BELIEVE YOU MARK?

? And no matter how you try to explain how good you would treat them, the history of this thread is you are a bully. That cannot be denied. Its written in stone bud.

You are stuck with that here in this forum. You cant just stick to the technical issues to present your case. There has to be nastiness included on every page. Lol, like it is productive and shows what a big smart man you are. What a joke. Well, thats just your way. Oh, its not just your way?

Who else here is acting the same way? You know who you are.

Its really funny that just about every one of you is abusive. Why is that I wonder? All from the same school of, "cant beat then down with technical knowledge, so bully tactics are necessary."
So much respect you all deserve.

Keep up the good works.

Its really workin for ya.

Mags

powercat · « **Reply #2020 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:59:13 PM »

Quote from: markdansie on April 13, 2014, 04:29:45 PM

I have been consistent from day one where I did see a device that I stated would have to run at the time for at least two days to meet my criteria. I am not sure "what I corrected". I am also under an NDA which I will always honor (I have may dozens of them with different technologies I assess)
Just a few other points.
1. I use my real name and contact details in public
2. I always state I use qualified scientist and engineers to assist in my work, at least three have visited Wayne offering advice on a wide range of topics namely what would be required with an assessment of a POC
3. I have met with qualified engineers and college educated assistants in Wayne's group that do believe in what they are doing, I also know of several others who have visited and have assisted from time to time. They have presented their cases, sometimes with genuine conviction. However I am not qualified to analyse what was presented to me.
4. I am not involved in the project development, but have offered along with several other of my engineer and science friends to be available to assist with evaluating any proof of concept.
5. I have in person on three occasions advised on what outcomes I would be looking to be satisfied that it did what was claimed.

I really am not sure why you want to attack or shoot the messenger (me). Go read revolution-Green where I regularly expose technologies as scams and technologies that are just BS. I am running a series on Hope-Girl and the QEG at the moment.

I have also stated I will stay out of this or any other discussion where I am under NDA and do not have the skill set to argue the science and calculations use. Does that mean I am endorsing Wayne? No, I will wait till a proof of concept comes available to complete my assessment.

Perhaps I misread your intent MileHigh, but suggesting I am some sort of joke and I am correcting my stance is perhaps a reflection on my communication skills. I have respect for you, Mark E and TK. I have at time have received criticism from you and TK, which I have taken on board and in some cases acted upon. But I have always treated you all with integrity, is it too much to ask the same.

Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

It's good to hear you state your position, but Wayne's mathematics has been shown to be at fault and no one has ever been able to produce a working device that produces free energy from his mathematics.

Wayne apparently chooses not to release any information that might support his claim and of course let's not forget the promised public verification..... all we get from Wayne is excuses like ...everything is secrets until some future launch date = if everything is so secret why the hell come on this website in the first place. The man comes across as a conman.

markdansie · « **Reply #2021 on:** April 13, 2014, 05:17:11 PM »

@ Powercat
I agree Wayne is not doing himself or anyone any favors here. I would personally never take on TK or Mark E on any maths or science challenge. I have advised Wayne many times not to post and wait till he has a POC before making public statements.

I agree, a POC would settle things.

Kind Regards
Mark

Magluvin · « **Reply #2022 on:** April 13, 2014, 05:17:33 PM »

Quote from: powercat on April 13, 2014, 04:35:40 PM

As predicted you avoided the question, you must have missed it, it's a perfectly reasonable question, I will posted again for you, maybe we'll help you if it's in red letters,
Name a single Ph.D. and/or professional engineer who endorses your fraud..

Again, he does not have to name anyone. What, just because he gives a name, it proves something to you? Then what, you want their address? Phone no.?? Or you will search and hunt them down???

Real nice. Get real dude. What a farce.

How bout you give us your name, number and address, where you went to school, whats your wifes name? How about your kids names? your mom and dads name? Where do you work? Prove your credentials?. Or how about you Mark. Milehigh? Tk??? Anyone else want to step up to that plate???

Oh, it is only your 'demands' that count here. Yeah right.

Mags

Magluvin · « **Reply #2023 on:** April 13, 2014, 05:25:25 PM »

Quote from: markdansie on April 13, 2014, 05:17:11 PM

@ Powercat
I agree Wayne is not doing himself or anyone any favors here. I would personally never take on TK or Mark E on any maths or science challenge. I have advised Wayne many times not to post and wait till he has a POC before making public statements.

I agree, a POC would settle things.

Kind Regards
Mark

Now this guy I here, I have absolute respect for.

Always very professional and excellent mannerisms. ALWAYS.

Big thumbs up Mark D. no matter what your position is on this.

Maybe others can follow your example. But i have my doubts, considering.

Mags

TinselKoala · « **Reply #2024 on:** April 13, 2014, 05:28:40 PM »

Quote from: Magluvin on April 13, 2014, 05:17:33 PM

Again, he does not have to name anyone. What, just because he gives a name, it proves something to you? Then what, you want their address? Phone no.?? Or you will search and hunt them down??? Real nice. Get real dude. What a farce.

How bout you give us your name, number and address, where you went to school, whats your wifes name? How about your kids names? your mom and dads name? Where do you work? Prove your credentials?. Or how about you Mark. Milehigh? Tk??? Anyone else want to step up to that plate??? Oh, it is only your 'demands' that count here. Yeah right.

Mags

Let's see... if Mags doesn't know something, then nobody does, and that makes your argument invalid. Is that how it goes, Magsie?

FYI:

1. There are plenty of people who know just exactly who and what I am, my history and qualifications and etc. and some of them are reading this thread right now. You aren't one of them, but that's irrelevant to the issue at hand. The "important" people do know! If you want to know why people on the internet want to preserve their privacy a little bit .... well, just google "internet killers" for examples.

2. If I had a device that was truly OU and that I was trying to publicize, sell, make money from, convince the set of insignificant trolls of..... you bet I'd be saying right out front everything anybody needed to know to make my claim as credible as possible, starting with the names of my co-authors on the SCIENTIFIC PAPERS that announce my discovery to the scientific world....that is, if the US DoD and Naval Research Laboratories aren't already knocking at (down) my door. No problem, bro.....

3. Once again.... it doesn't matter if the critics are a bunch of anonymous pastry cooks...... what matters is that the Claimant, Honest Wayne Travis, has never yet produced the evidence for his claims. But it's more than that: not only has he just not produced it, he has FAILED, he has "expectations not met, promises not kept, doors closing" and so forth: meaning he still doesn't have a self runner as he claimed and he is still paying for his electric bill at his home and shop.

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