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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1645913 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #330 on: September 30, 2013, 02:15:39 PM »
Resonance? It depends on which definition. EE definition you need a capacitor ie tank circuit.
Tesla definition is longitude  wave. ie radiant energy. I don't remember Figuera  mentioning resonance or capacitors.
You amplify current by using step down transformer. Of course you lose voltage so power stays the same minus losses in the circuit.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #331 on: September 30, 2013, 02:20:48 PM »
As i said in one of my posts, I have 2 sets of transformer core 280 mm to 100 mm and I had the windings done in the primaries of one set. Is 360 turns of 14 AWG aluminum magnetic wire. My plan this week is to test several configurations. As you can see, the sets are composed of 2 "C" and one "I". In the picture number 15, I put a small insulated plate to make a "gap" between the elements.
Any suggestions for test?


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #332 on: September 30, 2013, 02:34:01 PM »
Resonance? It depends on which definition. EE definition you need a capacitor ie tank circuit.
Tesla definition is longitude  wave. ie radiant energy. I don't remember Figuera  mentioning resonance or capacitors.
You amplify current by using step down transformer. Of course you lose voltage so power stays the same minus losses in the circuit.


That is the classical knowledge! The transformer that you can see in the picture that I posted minutes ago, was tested with 4 turns of thick wire in the secondary, and believe me, the current amplification very high.
Thinking out of the box, what can we do speed up the large flow of electrons in this case, without use to much energy?

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« Reply #333 on: September 30, 2013, 07:52:11 PM »

That is the classical knowledge! The transformer that you can see in the picture that I posted minutes ago, was tested with 4 turns of thick wire in the secondary, and believe me, the current amplification very high.
Thinking out of the box, what can we do speed up the large flow of electrons in this case, without use to much energy?
Well... you are starting to sound like the Barbosa-Leal patent from Brazil.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html
about 1/3 rd of the way in the document.

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« Reply #334 on: September 30, 2013, 09:04:17 PM »

That is the classical knowledge! The transformer that you can see in the picture that I posted minutes ago, was tested with 4 turns of thick wire in the secondary, and believe me, the current amplification very high.
Thinking out of the box, what can we do speed up the large flow of electrons in this case, without use to much energy?


Good path.
You already know the answer I'm sure ;-) Sometimes the answer is very confusing....  The simplest way to rise amperage without rising voltage is ....by having the second power source adding electrons at the same voltage level......  ::)     


C'mon...you already saw that picture.... that's how noise is generated to hide the truth by mixing real info with garbage....
If you can take second battery and attach in parallel to the power source at the same voltage then you have the simplest way to rise amperage without rising voltage. Now... the "magic" is to find a way how to do this with AC and 2 frequencies .


That is the special case Steven Mark said "another time" and you already saw the picture explaining it.....just find a picture with two signals drawn by red pen....the noise level is astonishing....


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #335 on: September 30, 2013, 09:10:59 PM »
Well... you are starting to sound like the Barbosa-Leal patent from Brazil.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html
about 1/3 rd of the way in the document.


Yes, I know that. I will run some tests with the transformer and I need to find out a place to put the results. This tests will be a mix of everything that I can think about the transformers, like the myths that the magnetic flux will divert and release the primary (Lenz law) if we add a alternative path in the transformer...


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #336 on: October 01, 2013, 12:05:50 AM »
This was the first look be at my understanding of the original patent.
with all three coils equal, primary and secondary example 200 turns, magnetic wire 18 ... This was my first test.
No load was all normal, but when the secondary is loaded the voltage drops and the primary amperage increases, so far so good as any transformer, but varying the frequency it happens something strange, secondary voltage increases and the primary amperage decreases as there was no great loss but does not reach 100%, and depending on the adjustment of frequency and other parameters comes very close of 100%...
The test was done with just a small laminated core, will be that  affect much the core size, not amperage e voltage but effect FE?  ???

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #337 on: October 01, 2013, 12:37:40 AM »
Schiko,

Watching the shape of your signals I think that maybe your are using resistors of very high value. For that reason you just get high values in the contacts close to the inducer coils (both sides: contacts 1 and 8 ). If you use smaller resistors you could get an increase more steady in your signal. Which is the value of your resistor?

What frequencies are you using in your tests? Remember that Figuera used a small motor to rotate the brush around the commutator. Therefore I guess that he could be used a maximun of 2900 rpm. I  think that his generator does not rely on high frequencies. Maybe he operated his commutator to get comercial 50 Hz AC current (Europe), but this is just my oppinion.  Also remember that he used soft iron cores: I suppose that soft iron has a maximun proper frequency. Does anyone know which is the maximun frequency to be used with soft iron?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #338 on: October 01, 2013, 12:48:35 AM »
Re cores:  There's something to add about this.
In a later patent by Bufon, he shows a diagram in which  the cores are less than half way in the primaries.
Also he states  that you can substitute the cores for a coil and this coil will generate voltage which can make the device a self runner.
I tested a solenoid with an ex tv small coil inside instead of the core and it did produce a good current and voltage.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #338 on: October 01, 2013, 12:48:35 AM »
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« Reply #339 on: October 01, 2013, 02:23:00 AM »
Hi Hanon
This photo I took of a post I made here #304  <  Link-1 > has nothing to do with the circuit that I used in the first test was only an outline. The trafo is on the same link is the third picture. And the circuit that I used is this link #288 < Link-2 > controlling 9 Mosfet with resitores of 4 ohms. The frequency was around 30 to 300 Hz.   The waveform did not have peaks as big as those of this photo here. Now I use an H-bridge  I will standby the tests of Ariovaldo.  If ok I'll see if I can get a big transformer to replicate and post too here.

Hi a. king21
It's true, I've seen.
I tried that too but gave the same.
The core I used was the same as the link 1.

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« Reply #340 on: October 01, 2013, 03:17:20 AM »
There is something else to consider. The original patent resembles an old style motor car distributor cap -  except with more contacts. That setup is almost certain to create sparks. Even if the make before break does not create an actual spark the sudden abruptness of the constant switching is bound to create a radiant effect. So we could be looking at a Tesla switch type situation with static mixing on each resistor contact.
Whenever I've tried to recreate an old style patent using modern components the only way I could get near was by rapid switching, in the tens of kilohertz.  My experience has been that the higher the switching rate the lower the voltage and the  cleaner the spike, and the better the transistors could handle the process. However the missing link has always been the static generated by the old style switching process. It could be that by introducing static into the switching process we could emulate the 2008 device.
The question is how to do it without blowing transistors or limiting the spike with ne2 bulbs.
I know that Carlos Benitez in his 1914 to 1918 patents realized the importance of static mixing and mentions this process in one of his patents. Please  understand, I am not criticizing anyone's build here, I am just giving you the benefit of extensive research and experiments into this FE technology.
I almost forgot: A Radiant effect type situation involving a spark - even if quenched- causes oscillations in the MHZ region for each short spark. The oscillations travel through the entire circuit. SO even if your switching rate is 50 hz, each switching contact has a MHZ oscillation in it.

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« Reply #341 on: October 01, 2013, 03:29:01 AM »
There is something else to consider. The original patent resembles an old style motor car distributor cap -  except with more contacts. That setup is almost certain to create sparks. Even if the make before break does not create an actual spark the sudden abruptness of the constant switching is bound to create a radiant effect. So we could be looking at a Tesla switch type situation with static mixing on each resistor contact.
Whenever I've tried to recreate an old style patent using modern components the only way I could get near was by rapid switching, in the tens of kilohertz.  My experience has been that the higher the switching rate the lower the voltage and the  cleaner the spike, and the better the transistors could handle the process. However the missing link has always been the static generated by the old style switching process. It could be that by introducing static into the switching process we could emulate the 2008 device.
The question is how to do it without blowing transistors or limiting the spike with ne2 bulbs.
I know that Carlos Benitez in his 1914 to 1918 patents realized the importance of static mixing and mentions this process in one of his patents. Please  understand, I am not criticizing anyone's build here, I am just giving you the benefit of extensive research and experiments into this FE technology.
I almost forgot: A Radiant effect type situation involving a spark - even if quenched- causes oscillations in the MHZ region for each short spark. The oscillations travel through the entire circuit. SO even if your switching rate is 50 hz, each hz has a MHZ oscillation in it.
If you take a look in the youtube video that I posted days ago, using the rotary device in a tranformer, the lights just went on when the rotary device got problem and start to spark...do you think the original patent use HV?
I like this line of thinking..


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« Reply #342 on: October 01, 2013, 04:30:03 AM »

Yes Ariovaldo. Great video - actually it's the first time I've seen it.I read up about spark gaps in an old book. If your spark gap  is too small it leads to a dead short. Then the frequency goes down to your switching rate. If your spark is just right your frequency goes into the mhz range.
Voltage: Figuera talks about emulating mains.
So he must be inputting 220 to 240 volts at 50 hz.

Here's some info on spark gaps from an old book on radio telegraph construction.

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« Reply #343 on: October 01, 2013, 07:42:52 AM »
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Whenever I've tried to recreate an old style patent using modern components the only way I could get near was by rapid switching, in the tens of kilohertz.  My experience has been that the higher the switching rate the lower the voltage and the  cleaner the spike, and the better the transistors could handle the process. However the missing link has always been the static generated by the old style switching process.

I understand what you mean, but I think today using spark-gap does not make sense to me is spark-gap as a capacitor dielectric stuck and generates many harmonics difficult to control, now if you want a lot of tension just to have enough alternating current and a transformer with secondary large and well done. Look I do not want to finish with the fun of nobody but that's what I think.

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The question is how to do it without blowing transistors or limiting the spike with ne2 bulbs.
I know that Carlos Benitez in his 1914 to 1918 patents realized the importance of static mixing and mentions this process in one of his patents. Please  understand, I am not criticizing anyone's build here, I am just giving you the benefit of extensive research and experiments into this FE technology.
I almost forgot: A Radiant effect type situation involving a spark - even if quenched- causes oscillations in the MHZ region for each short spark. The oscillations travel through the entire circuit. SO even if your switching rate is 50 hz, each hz has a MHZ oscillation in it.

It is true, I agree.
But I really believe in resonance. And some circuits work fine using BEMF damped. This is my way. I see everyone putting diode in parallel with the coil, I think better to use capacitor in parallel with transistor and use part of the wave and reinject in the circuit. As was used in old tv's
Making a mix of coils Figueira, Thane Heins transformer and others may be we can find a way, I don't know ...

After I read it I was curious here ...
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/images/inductive_conversion.pdf
But that is a topic for another thead.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #344 on: October 01, 2013, 09:48:23 AM »
Here is strange question if you can help me ?... If there is transformer having one secondary and two separate primaries each one connected to the separate AC power source what parameters should have those currents to combine into 2 times power output on secondary ?

 

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