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Offline Qwert

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #315 on: September 28, 2013, 04:19:23 PM »
Hi


Do you have any link to detailed explanation about laminated core ?  I have to understand how it is build, work and how it is produced (the steps involved).

Maybe in Europe it does not work, but in the US when I have a question, first I try to find an answer on internet, usually on google.This time I've just put the two words "laminated core" in the proper box. I guess, the short and appropriate answer could be this, from "wiki-answers": http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_purpose_of_laminating_an_iron_core_in_transformers

"What is the purpose of laminating an iron core in transformers?

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The reason we laminate the iron cores in transformers is because we want to limit what are called eddy currents. Transformers are basically two coils of wire wrapped around a core of iron. They work by induction. Induction occurs when current flows in one conductor (or one set of windings in the transformer) and the magnetic field that forms around that conductor (that set of windings) sweeps the other conductor (the other set of windings) and induces a voltage. In order to increase the effectiveness of the transformer, we need to improve the way the magnetic fields are coupled from one set of windings to the other set. Iron conducts magnetic lines of force well, so we use that to help conduct the magnetic lines of force from coil A to coil B. Problem is, iron is also a conductor, and it's being swept by the magnetic field as well. If we didn't use laminations, the iron core would provide a place for the magnetic lines to produce (induce) current, and that current flowing in the core would heat the core up really fast and waste energy. By laminating the cores, we break up the current paths within that core and limit eddy currents."

Also, good source of knowledge is, as always, on WikiPedia.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #316 on: September 28, 2013, 07:09:33 PM »
The internet is a good source for finding information about anything.
Here is a pdf document that has a summarized description:


http://www.navymars.org/national/training/nmo_courses/NMO2/module2/14174_ch5.pdf


 [size=78%]http://www.magmet.com/pdf/TransformDesignConsiderat.pdf[/size]


Wikipedia: [size=78%]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer[/size]








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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #317 on: September 28, 2013, 07:25:29 PM »
Thank you guys. First I did a research but that had not removed my doubts. I have dismantled EI core from transformer and I did it many times trying to replicate JackNoSkills setup. What always astonished me were a marks on each E or I parts like they are composed from a tiny iron wires pressed together. I always thought laminated means that core is combined from a many separated shapes like E+I parts, but HOW THAT PARTS are made is what I WANTED TO KNOW. I know they are covered by some very thin lacquer but that's all I know.
Can you find information WHEN laminated cores become popular and cheap ? COULD Figuera used DIFFERENT setup of core ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #318 on: September 28, 2013, 10:33:40 PM »
Hej forest,

In USA patents the oldest mention of laminated transformer cores date back to around 1890-91 when 4 patent applications were filed:
US461135,  US528188,  US581873,  US602218  but they were granted later in different years.

This means that Figuera must have been aware of laminated cores from the year of 1891 (US461135) and onwards.

You can see some drawings on different shapes in the above patents. (I did not search non-American patents to check for dates.)

Gyula

PS:  I use http://www.pat2pdf.org/ for retriving US patents in PDF files (when you know patent numbers, that is).

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« Reply #319 on: September 29, 2013, 01:27:38 PM »
Maybe in Europe it does not work, but in the US when I have a question, first I try to find an answer on internet, usually on google.This time I've just put the two words "laminated core" in the proper box. I guess, the short and appropriate answer could be this, from "wiki-answers": http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_purpose_of_laminating_an_iron_core_in_transformers

"What is the purpose of laminating an iron core in transformers?

 Answer:

The reason we laminate the iron cores in transformers is because we want to limit what are called eddy currents. Transformers are basically two coils of wire wrapped around a core of iron. They work by induction. Induction occurs when current flows in one conductor (or one set of windings in the transformer) and the magnetic field that forms around that conductor (that set of windings) sweeps the other conductor (the other set of windings) and induces a voltage. In order to increase the effectiveness of the transformer, we need to improve the way the magnetic fields are coupled from one set of windings to the other set. Iron conducts magnetic lines of force well, so we use that to help conduct the magnetic lines of force from coil A to coil B. Problem is, iron is also a conductor, and it's being swept by the magnetic field as well. If we didn't use laminations, the iron core would provide a place for the magnetic lines to produce (induce) current, and that current flowing in the core would heat the core up really fast and waste energy. By laminating the cores, we break up the current paths within that core and limit eddy currents."

Also, good source of knowledge is, as always, on WikiPedia.


 Then why do they not use the same techniques to form the laminations as they apply to a bucking autotransformer winding to increase or decrease the magnetic feild within the laminations. Simple enough to connect a couple of laminations on the ends. You could go as far as to make the laminations form a multilayer capacitor.
 Maybe the trick is in the number of free and mobile electrons and if there are more of them in a given space would'nt it be easier to interact with them using a magnetic field.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #321 on: September 29, 2013, 07:51:25 PM »
Hi guys

I think you guys are looking for water in a desert ...
Magnetítico flow is important, I mean all research is important, but more important is the resonance "this is the key word," If you learn how to take advantage of the extra energy that is generated when any system enters in resonance you rule the world.  8)

Resonance can be your friend if you learn to treat it with care and attention, but can also become angry and destructive if you don't respect it.
Treat it as if it were your wife and she will reward you.  ;D

ps: in technical school always teach us that "resonance" can cause disasters and should be controlled at all costs, maybe it's time to think different!
RESONANCE is where the interesting stuff really happen

cheers!!!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #322 on: September 29, 2013, 08:56:14 PM »
This is supposed to be a Figuera thread. Can we stay on message please.
If you have other stuff to say then by all means start a separate thread.

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« Reply #323 on: September 29, 2013, 10:17:35 PM »
This is supposed to be a Figuera thread. Can we stay on message please.
If you have other stuff to say then by all means start a separate thread.

Those words were to me???

I think I'm completely within the subject Figuera 's, but if you didn't understand what I said, I can't do anything about it, just ask cordiality of its part, anyway I think didn't offend anyone so far.

Just put a subject for all we think, if someone show a device Figuera's operating in self-running presentation I would be very happy.  ;)

I am struggling with this device since the beginning of the thread so I think I have every right to express myself here, independent of their will or understanding.

but still I hope you understand and think a bit before you write ...

Sorry for anything I have written that did not please you!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #324 on: September 30, 2013, 01:04:35 AM »
It's not aimed at anyone. Too many threads go off the rails and invite other people to write even more. It would be good to have posts  which either proved or disproved Figuera. I am of the opinion that all science is valuable even if it doesn't work.
I tried moving a variable resistor manually and did not see anything. That is a positive contribution - even if it was a fail.

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« Reply #325 on: September 30, 2013, 06:17:03 AM »
Too many threads go off the rails and invite other people to write even more. It would be good to have posts  which either proved or disproved Figuera. I am of the opinion that all science is valuable even if it doesn't work.

I understand what you mean, and I agree!  :-X

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I tried moving a variable resistor manually and did not see anything. That is a positive contribution - even if it was a fail.

I'm sorry that I don't understand, you're saying that tried and failed ... is this???  :-[

Because I tried it and it worked, just didn't come out more power than entered, worked as a good voltage inverter, just this.
that's why I'm here to find out where did I go wrong ... If I did wrong.
But I have faith in the device design maybe with some modification it work indeed.

It seems that this week we will have news here... stay tuned.

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« Reply #326 on: September 30, 2013, 10:16:31 AM »
Yes, I meant I did not see overunity. But my experiment was just a casual one to see which way to proceed.
I am wondering about something.
AT this time 1900 to 1920 it was common to use an interrupter with a coil. Many schematics did not even show the interrupter as it was understood to be a part of all coils. Maybe that is what is missing.
AN interrupter is of course a Tesla switch.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #327 on: September 30, 2013, 01:05:19 PM »
Yes, I meant I did not see overunity. But my experiment was just a casual one to see which way to proceed.
I am wondering about something.
AT this time 1900 to 1920 it was common to use an interrupter with a coil. Many schematics did not even show the interrupter as it was understood to be a part of all coils. Maybe that is what is missing.
AN interrupter is of course a Tesla switch.
If is that, we are talking about to mix 2 frequencies again..Is that right?

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« Reply #328 on: September 30, 2013, 01:23:04 PM »
If is that, we are talking about to mix 2 frequencies again..Is that right?


 ::) ::) ::)   ;D ;D ;D ;D  Yes, in special case.  Now I know you are EE, can you answer the simple question ? How we can magnify current but not voltage ?

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« Reply #329 on: September 30, 2013, 02:06:34 PM »

 ::) ::) ::)   ;D ;D ;D ;D  Yes, in special case.  Now I know you are EE, can you answer the simple question ? How we can magnify current but not voltage ?
Is that a million dollars answer?  Just kidding.  RESONANCE?

 

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