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Offline a.king21

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #255 on: September 03, 2013, 03:15:51 PM »
Hi a.king21,
Could you explain better how can energy be extracted from an oscillating bloch wall? Is there any link or reference to this subject?

What it is true is that Figuera stated that the distance between the two inducer external coils should be very small. And this statement is related with some kind of effect that he was trying to capture. Is it needed to wind each external coil in clockwise (CW) and counter-clockwise (CCW) directions?


http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/mil/mindcontrol/Richard_Clark_Letters_Compilation_Vol1-3.pdf


About half way in the pdf Richard Lefors Clark explains the gating of the Bloch wall.


I would treat N ans S as one continuous coil - so the windings are in the same direction. The Bloch wall arises naturally.
What Figuera appears to have done is to oscillate the Bloch wall with this simple design.
That's why he clearly pictures the y coil as much smaller than the two control coils.
If the y coil is much  bigger than the Bloch wall then Lenz kicks in and ou is gone.
You can get one coil from each dead CFL . The core is however ferite and may need to be changed.
I've had this on my "to do" list for a long time.

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« Reply #256 on: September 09, 2013, 07:46:25 PM »

What Figuera appears to have done is to oscillate the Bloch wall with this simple design.
That's why he clearly pictures the y coil as much smaller than the two control coils.


It is true that Figuera stated in his 1902 patent that the separation between the poles of the electromagnets must be very small. In 1908 Figuera wrote: "Between their poles is located the induced circuit represented by the line “y” (small)" I have always been intriged why he called line "y" and not coil "y".

Anyway, I have been collecting some material about magnetism discoveries by Howard Johnson and, Roy Davis & Rawls. Maybe you are interested in the next video. It is -at least- surprising:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWOKefrcpAg

I know that there is more into magnetism that the current concepts accepted by mainstream science.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #257 on: September 09, 2013, 11:52:14 PM »
Hi all,

Apart from the 1908 Figuera patent there is another Figuera patent (No. 30378 dated in 1902) about a motionless electrical generator: http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/docums/30378.pdf This device is even simpler to replicate. Figuera appeared in the newspapers in 1902 when he was using this generator to produce 20 HP. Therefore we know that he also got high energy gains. Later, Figuera changed his design after selling this patent to a banker union.

 A deep study about this patent was also done by user Bajac. You can find his technical study in the next link, which is really worthwhile to read it:

http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/dlattach/attach/125092/

As a conclusion: "BECAUSE THE INTERIOR WINDINGS (b) ARE TOTALLY ENCLOSED BY THE INDUCED WIDING (c) THE INDUCED MAGNETIC FIELD WILL ENTER AND LEAVE THE TURNS OF THE INTERIOR WINDING (b) INDUCING A ZERO NET VOLTAGE, WHICH RESULTS IN A CANCELLATION OF THE EFFECTS OF THE LENZ’S LAW. IN OTHER WORDS, THE LOAD CURRENT FLOWING IN THE c-WINDING IS NOT REFLECTED BACK TO THE b-WINDING."

Note: The induced winding is denoted by (c) while the inducer electromagnets are (a) and (b)

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Offline hanon

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« Reply #258 on: September 11, 2013, 01:53:58 AM »
Regarding the methods to minimize the effect of Lenz's law, one can see that Figuera used two method: the method of in the 1902 patent and the method in the 1908 patent. If you draw the magnetic flowpath in the 1902 generator, it can be noted that the flow of the induced coil (external) enters and leaves the inducer coil (internal). Because the inducer coil is symmetrically placed at 90 degrees inside the induced, the flow from the induced coil will enter and leave the inducer coil. If the flow enters and leaves the coil no voltage will be induced in it. Notice that it is not enough to placed those coils at 90 degrees but also there must be symmetry. This is because if there is no symmetry the balance of magnetic flux entering is not necessarily equal to the magnetic flux coming out.

The method of 1908 is different. While one coil induces another coil deviates the induced magnetic flux so that this flux does not oppose to the coil which is inducing.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #259 on: September 14, 2013, 03:26:59 PM »
How deep is the rabbit hole Alice? Oh ,it's about yay deep ends about at the spot where you cant go any farther.lol
  In the interest of statements used one could consider what is the patent for and what is it not for. Things that already are in play are not new. Seperate them out and learn what is not new. To better understand what is.
 close'st comparable. There seems to be many, patent 3913004 "Method and apparatus to increase electral power" Built on a standard generator frame fairly straight forward good nuggets. But is that one BS umm have to check the citations 3078409 "Electrical power converter" GM owned aviation use.2640181 "Dynomo electric machine " signed to Bendix aviation.Who know they had a aviation division ,Ithought they just worked with braking systems.3223916 "Brushless Rotary inverter" signed to TRW inc a big gov contractor with lots of little gubby fingers in lots of pies.Like a daycare center on crack. Now while I like to ponder how all these big wigs never stumbled on the idea to just make thier toys not turn I have to remind myself with whom they like to sleep with.Who stands to lose the most money.Not just the money today but all the money for all time. Figura figured out why have it turn at all.Others figured how to stay in business and still get the benifits of better engineering. You can learn a lot if you keep plugging along.The method is what is important not the exact toys. The same applied to weapon like a gun would yeid a zero recoil gun where all the forces both forard and recoil are directed to forward only motion or force forward.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #260 on: September 17, 2013, 12:25:28 AM »
Hi all,
 
 I have done some testing with a similar winding to the one posted for the 1902 patent No. 30378. As you can see I did not get any output result ( 0 volts) . The output I got with irregular (manual) pulses were a measurement error dued to the voltmeter. But with AC (and also tested with intermittent DC current) I did get 0 volts. I first tested with two identical coils and later I tested with different coils (internal coil:150 turns, copper wire of 0.4 mm diameter; external coil: 900 turns, copper wire 0.4 mm diameter)
 
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 I think that in this case the equation of the  induction over a wire of length "l" has to be applied. Changing the magnetic field over a static wire is the same as having a static B-field and move the wire closer and farer from the electromagnet sequentialy. In this case we can not apply the Faraday Law for the induction over a coil perpendicular to the B-field but the equation of the induction of a moving wire at speed "v":
 
 E = l·B·v·sin (alpha) , being alpha the angle between the B-field and the velocity v
 
 In the  case of patent 30378 (motionless generator)  the wire under a oscilatory B-field can be assimilated to move the wire in parallel to a static B-field so the angle  is sin(alpha) = sin (0º) = 0, and then the induced voltage is null. In case of the patent 30376 (where the winding is wound around a drum which rotates around some electromagnets in the center) the wire is moving at right angle of the B-field, so sin(alpha) = sin(90º) = 1 . Therefore I think that this winding proposal is fine for this patent with the moving coil (patent 30376), but it won´t work for the motionless generator (patent 30378).
 
 In 1902 Figuera patented two different devices but maybe he just built one of them. I don´t know if he built both or he just built one and the other was a theoretical proposal. In the 1902 newspaper clippings is written that the Figuera device "consisted of a generator, a motor and a kind of governor or regulator". This description matches much better with the requirements for the the implementention of patent 30376 where a motor is needed to rotate the moving coil.
 
 One detail about patent 30378: reading the text it seems to indicate that all the electromagnets are conected to the same inducer signal. But reading carefully: " this generator whose form and arrangement are shown in the attached drawings, warning that, in them, and for clarity are sketched only eight electromagnets, or two sets of four excitatory electromagnets in each, ..." Why did Figuera  remark that it was arranged in two sets of electromagnets? ...

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« Reply #261 on: September 18, 2013, 09:05:40 PM »
I am planning to replicate the Figuera device. As I am not that great on electronics, I am planning to build a mechanical switching device. I have a metal working skills and equipment. One question I have is, how many turns of wire are recommended for each primary and secondary windings? Online there in one builder using 150 turns on the primary's and 300 on the center secondary.
Thanks to all,

Shadow

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« Reply #262 on: September 19, 2013, 07:56:15 PM »
Shadow
It seems that everyone may have given up on the stationary device. I have planned to make the commentator on my switching device able to either bridge two contacts (spark less) or not. I reasoned that since most all of Tesla's devices use a spark, maybe Clemente was trying to somehow conceal the way the way his machine really worked. Also, one experimenter got a better response when every time he manually touched the wire to complete the circuit. Anyway, I could still use a sparking device in other experiments!

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« Reply #263 on: September 19, 2013, 08:19:34 PM »
Hi all,

Shadow, wellcome to the forum!! I think Bajac sometime ago posted the proper number of turns for these coils. Search it into Bajac´s posts from some weeks (or months) ago.

Another subject: I posted a winding for the patent 30376, the one with the rotating coil but with static core, I made a mistake in the poles. Now I have calculated fine and with the rotation of the wire the intensity generated in both sides adds up.  (I don´t know how to edit my previous post. If someone knows please tell me how to do it)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #264 on: September 19, 2013, 09:04:22 PM »
Hello everybody
I am testing the "concept" of the 1908 patent
As the commutator I am using one from an AC motor 10 poles
attached some pics, may be useful for replicators
Cheers
Alvaro

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« Reply #265 on: September 19, 2013, 09:14:50 PM »
Alvaro: Nice build, looking forward to test results.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #266 on: September 19, 2013, 09:58:50 PM »
Hello everybody
I am testing the "concept" of the 1908 patent
As the commutator I am using one from an AC motor 10 poles
attached some pics, may be useful for replicators
Cheers
Alvaro


Good job man.
I'm looking forward for the results. I start to build the electromechanic control system. Probably one more week I will be able to test.

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« Reply #267 on: September 19, 2013, 10:59:19 PM »
a.king21
thank you
I had to stop the tests because of problems with the VRs, may be they went toasted as no way to regulate them.
I made the first attempts with a 12V 200 mA power supply (batteries behave there own way)
With this setup lots of sparks, Volts in the hundreds and much RF emission, I realized that with just one multimeter probe  on a cap at the output it reads crazy voltages.
The output may drive a small dc motor (inductive load) but does goes down with resistive, as a 12V incandescent lamp.
At higher rpm in commutator, better output, and lower amps at input.
Before doing more accurate measurements (systematic) I´ve got to change the resistors an put some for 1W or so.
I don.t like to post results with claims, as for reliable measurements, is essential to use professional equipment AND knowledge which I do not have.

cheers
Alvaro

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« Reply #268 on: September 19, 2013, 11:36:06 PM »
Hi Alvaro,

Very ingenious device!!!  I would recommend you to use much much lower resistors. If you are feeding 12V with just one resistor ( 100 Kohm as you are using) --> I = V/R =12/100000 = 0.00012 A as maximun ( with 1 resistor). I think you should use resistor lower than 5 ohms (or less) to have greater intensities. I posted an Excel simulation where you can see a good value for your resistors. Buy resistors prepared to evacuate some heat (10 W or more ). Also you may use a more powerful DC source. My DC source is from and old scanner (12 V and 1.2 A)

Good luck!!

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« Reply #269 on: September 20, 2013, 03:49:49 AM »
Hi all,

I have to say that I am very happy to see the enthusiasm and effort shown by the members of this forum about Figuera's devices. Figuera's technology is free and it is here for the taking.

First of all, I apologize for not being able to provide the detailed description in a single document of the device that I am building. I have been really busy with other affairs that do not allow to spend time on this project. However, all information about Figuera's technology has been disclosed in this thread.

The main components are the iron cores and the windings. For example, the key components of the 1908 device are the electromagnets. Once you build the electromagnets, you only need two 90-degree shifted full wave rectified voltages. It does not matter how these input voltages are generated! If you do not know how to build the electronic circuits, you can use the commutated switch and the power resistors shown in the original patent. For the size of the device shown in this thread, it is recommended that the power resistors have a minimum rating of 50W and a maximum of 10 ohms. THESE RESISTORS GET REALLY HOT! That is why Figuera showed wire wound resistor type. When Figuera ran his tests, I can imaging these resistors getting red hot similar to wired heaters. The use of these resistors is the least efficient option. The resistors dissipate relatively high energy.

A better option for generating the input voltages mentioned above is to use a motor-generator. The generator should be able to provide two sinusoidal voltages shifted 90 degrees. Then, each of these generator AC voltages can be applied two a full-wave rectifier diodes.

If the iron core is big enough to house the coils, you can use about any iron core that you feel comfortable working with. The cross section of the iron core that I used is about 1 inch width and 3/4" depth.

I have also recommended to build the 'N' and 'S' electromagnets with no less than 300 turns with taps, let's say 200T, 300T, and so on. If you can do 400T, it is even better. The minimum gauge size for these primaries coils should be #18 AWG.

I also recommended that the wire of 'y' secondary coils should have a minimum gauge of #14 AWG. Minimum number of turns should be 200T. The use of #14 AWG wire for the secondary will allow for the connections of heavier loads.

The other important design criterion to keep in mind is to minimize the air gaps. If you refer to the photos I posted a while ago, you will notice that the air gaps consist of a paper thin insulator.

The above recommendations are based on my own experience with this device. If you follow them, you will have a device with good power output during testing.

With respect to the 1902 patent, the primary coils should have a lot of turns. For testing purposes, I would use no less than 500 turns of #20 or #22 AWG for each of the primary coils 'a' and 'b'. Because the secondary must travel through the air gaps, the air gaps shown in the 1902 patent are considerably larger than the air gaps of the 1902 patent, and therefore, the magnetic reluctance of the of the iron core is much higher for the 1902 device. The latter implies that to create a considerable magnetic flux in the 1902 device, you will need a very high A-T (Ampere-Turns). And, that is why Mr. Figuera furnished the air gaps of the 1902 device with primary coils ‘a’ and ‘b’ located on both sides of the air gaps.

Thanks again.
Bajac
« Last Edit: September 20, 2013, 01:40:22 PM by bajac »

 

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