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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 10159105 times)

Offline Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17925 on: September 01, 2017, 04:35:55 PM »
Void,
i would be happy to conduct those tests, but we have been there before a few times and these tests were already done.
See f.i. this link in which there are again 2 links with the 2e one showing the measurements you ask:
http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg497451/#msg497451
I will setup things later today/this weekend.
Itsu

Hi Itsu. That's ok. No need to set that up if you have already done that.
I was curious about the 90 degree phase difference between the loop current and grenade
output voltage waveform which Ruslan showed, but it sounds like you came to the conclusion
from your previous test that Ruslan was seeing the 90 degree phase difference because
his CT was saturated. Thanks for the info on that.
All the best...

Offline Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17926 on: September 01, 2017, 04:44:26 PM »
I saw increased current and like you, one very hot mosfet.

Yes, if the input current from the battery to the PWM increases a fair bit when the lights get brighter, then
as we have discussed in the past, that is probably not the kind of effect that we are looking for.

Offline itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17927 on: September 01, 2017, 04:50:05 PM »

Void,

it has always puzzeled me how Ruslan was able to show, on video, that 90° phase shift when activating the Kacher only.
For me the saturation of the the CT would be stable, so always there with or without the Kacher.
But apparently he was able to balans it such a way that the Kacher had that effect on the phase shift.

Itsu

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17928 on: September 01, 2017, 05:02:30 PM »
Yes, if the input current from the battery to the PWM increases a fair bit when the lights get brighter, then
as we have discussed in the past, that is probably not the kind of effect that we are looking for.
Yes but A clamp meter can be used to monitor the ground current should tell us exactly what we want to know. Would it be possible to go that way assuming the device has no other form of earth leakage to another earth connection?

Offline Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17929 on: September 01, 2017, 05:15:40 PM »
it has always puzzeled me how Ruslan was able to show, on video, that 90° phase shift when activating the Kacher only.
For me the saturation of the the CT would be stable, so always there with or without the Kacher.
But apparently he was able to balans it such a way that the Kacher had that effect on the phase shift.

Yes, that is a big mystery for me as well, which is why I was doing some testing related to that.
Even at very low power using a signal generator with only a FWBR and capacitor as the grenade load
(as I believe Ruslan was using in that video), I can get the same sort of summing of the two waveforms
using a grenade coil wound the same as Ruslan showed how he winds it in one of his previous videos,
but I don't see that extra 90 degree phase shift when the two waveforms are summing. BTW Ruslan was
running his PWM at either 37.3 kHz (shown by his scope) or 34.2kHz (shown by the frequency counter on
his DVM), and his tesla coil at 1.74 MHz (shown by his DVM) in that video.

Probably I need to test further at full power to have a better chance to see that sort of phase shift effect. That extra
90 degree phase shift may possibly be a key, assuming what Ruslan showed in his demos was legit. I so far don't
have an idea of what could have caused that 90 degree phase shift when he switched on the tesla coil however.

Blue trace is the current waveform from the CT on the series resonant current loop.
Yellow trace is the output voltage waveform of the grenade coil.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17930 on: September 01, 2017, 06:14:21 PM »


Nick,

i understand your excitement, but without proper snubbers, you probably hit like Void and Hoppy mentioned some oscillations / feedback (chaotic mode).
It will unbalans the yoke- and TL494 system and cause all kind of effects   ( i had my near by temperature controlled Weller soldering system shoot up to 500°C).

But be welcome to further explore this, and a video would be very nice to see.

Itsu


  Well, the thing is that unless it goes into what we'll continue to call the Kaotic mode effect, there is no extra light at the bulb(s), when the Kacher is also connected on. So, that is the only frequency point, the only sweet spot that I've found that will increase bulb brightness. Otherwise it's a no show.
   The reason that the one fet gets hotter, is because that's the one that is showing a higher peak. And when the effect kicks in, the voltage goes over 250 volts. Therefore that the one fet get hotter than the other one. And the other one stays much cooler. And yes, there is higher draw from the PS.
   But, when you see and hear how moving ones hands near the grenade's antenna coil causes that unusual sound effect, that could not be replicated without that Kaotic mode in action. You'll know that something different is going on there.
Yet, it's a very very very narrow tiny bandwidth where this happens, and is why it's so hard to find, and maintain. As any additional bulbs, tuning caps, ground connection and such added to the system can throw it off. Even ones body being close to the device. Or the placement of the yoke, etz...
  So, more tuning is necessary to really tune into this Kaotic mode.  And yes, we've been there, done that,  next.
   But, this ain't the same ol thing. As I NEVER heard Radio Moscow, before.

Offline Hoppy

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« Reply #17931 on: September 01, 2017, 06:34:47 PM »

   The reason that the one fet gets hotter, is because that's the one that is showing a higher peak. And when the effect kicks in, the voltage goes over 250 volts. Therefore that the one fet get hotter than the other one. And the other one stays much cooler. And yes, there is higher draw from the PS.
 

Nick,

The mosfet is running into avalanche which is why you need to clamp the voltage, otherwise you will be unable to run without the risk of smoke. You may find as I did that you can disconnect the 'cold' mosfet and still get the effect.

Offline NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17932 on: September 01, 2017, 06:57:11 PM »
    Hoppy:
    Don't worry, WE are going to get to the bottom of this. But, this "effect" does happen without the Kacher.

   Yes, but both fets are working and the gate signals seam ok. Even though, the system is not fully tuned yet. As I just found the place where the effect happens. No doubt that I'll need to keep the peaks down to safer levels. And is why I've been using much lower wattage bulbs. As mentioned the voltage peaks go up if more bulbs are added, as well as when it hits that Spacial, as well as special point of resonance. Most may never see it. As I never have before.
   There probably will be other sweet spots that don't heat the fets up as much, as Geo also found.  I'm just not there yet.
   Watch Geo's last video, about 6 months ago. I believe he's hit on the self runner, working now, since that video was made.
 He has a new trick controlable Kacher system that he has not shown working on any video, as yet, as far as I've seen.
 His Serv friends must have helped him build that one.  And it looks, kick ass.

   My hat's off to Geo...  I miss him being around... who knows, I may be the next to go, silent...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17933 on: September 01, 2017, 07:20:48 PM »
From what I can see that 43kh is a bit too high, I wouldn't mind betting that's more like Ferro resonance from a yoke.
Nick is it humanly possible to put a clamp meter around your earth cable just to see if it;s drawing ground current?

Allen

Offline Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17934 on: September 01, 2017, 07:57:47 PM »
Hi Nick. If you mean GeoFusion's very last video where he is running the
grinder on the output of the grenade, if you read Geo's comments to other
people under his video, his kacher is turned off, and he also commented that his
kacher was not having any effect when he turned it on. Or were you referring to another video?

"Kacher was not operating at the moment,
it was only pushpull on the 3-4T series resonance doing the work"

"and this is only series resonance without kacher on.
infact, the kacher really doesn't have influence on it any more if I turn it on, ..."

"Geofusion some crazy test XD with success"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6sFHCwF_MU


Edit (update): Itsu pointed out that Geo is using rectifier diodes at the output of his grenade coil,
so the grinder was apparently running on DC.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2017, 05:36:12 AM by Void »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17935 on: September 01, 2017, 08:35:07 PM »

It's interesting that the PWM would run the grinder at the frequencies it operates at
(10kHZ to 40 kHz). Geo seems to have been running his PWM at maybe 10kHZ or
15 kHZ, as he added some extra capacitors in the series resonant loop. It does show
that whatever kind of electric motor that they have in grinders can maybe run at the 10 kHz or
higher frequency range however, which is interesting, as that maybe adds more credence to other
videos where people are running power equipment like grinders from the output of these devices.

Hi Void,

Makes sense as the grinder has a low impedance, thus good matching to source. Note that the grinder although turning is way under powered. Duty cycle would be important here. Nick mentions that his spike level is lower when lower powered bulbs are used, which again makes sense in respect of impedance matching, as lower powered bulbs will have a higher cold and hot resistance than higher powered bulbs.

I'm pleased to see that Nick has achieved the 'effect' and has the perseverence to dig-in and move up to the next camp, which will hopefully reveal something not seen by those of us who are still resting.

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« Reply #17936 on: September 01, 2017, 09:51:17 PM »
  No Hoppy and Void. The spike is higher with high wattage bulbs. Voltage spike goes up with higher wattage bulbs, so it's just the opposite of what can be expected. And is why I'm using the lower wattage bulbs for now, until I can reinstall the snubber resistors back on again. Or I'll blow these fets, and yes, I'm looking for the best impedance matching, as well.
  I'm trying to see if I can kick it into resonance again by using a 12v battery instead. Another measure to protect the fets, but even on 12v I get those nasty over 200v spikes. This without moving the TL controllers, which are still on the sweet spot.

 
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17937 on: September 01, 2017, 10:04:55 PM »
  No Hoppy and Void. The spike is higher with high wattage bulbs. Voltage spike goes up with higher wattage bulbs, so it's just the opposite of what can be expected.
 

Nick,

Doh - I wrote it the wrong way round. What you have is what is to be expected. Higher wattage bulbs pull higher current, thus higher voltage spike on field collapse. I have corrected my post.

Offline Void

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« Reply #17938 on: September 01, 2017, 10:15:32 PM »
What I think really matters in these kinds of experiments, no matter what the exact configuration is,
is if the current from the battery is going up when the lights get brighter, then that seems
to not be the kind of effect we are looking for. :)

I have reviewed a lot of older videos by Akula and Ruslan, and, from what I have gathered,
what we should be seeing is some sort of unloading effect on the PWM when the effect is
taking place. In other words, the input current required by the PWM should probably noticeably
go down, or at least not go up when you are hitting the real effect, even though you are powering
a very high wattage load.

Another angle to this is that maybe something like NMR or spin waves occurs in the ferrite or copper wires.
I still don't know one way or the other if this is a real possibility with these types of devices or not. :)

« Last Edit: September 02, 2017, 05:34:26 AM by Void »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17939 on: September 01, 2017, 10:33:26 PM »
Geo's 120V (AC/DC) grinder runs on DC from the rectified grenade output, probably on a quarter or less of its needed power.
No mystery there IMO.

Radio Moscow stopped transmitting when the Sovjet Union collapses, it continued as "The Voice of Russia", but
since 2014 this also stopped transmitting on short wave, see wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_Russia
So what do you hear Nick, and where does the sound comes from, the yoke or the coils or what?

Itsu