Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Google Search

Custom Search

Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 10158790 times)

Offline Void

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2451
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17910 on: August 31, 2017, 07:27:49 PM »
Hi Nick. I also have a Siglent (SDS1102CNL) scope which I have had for about
five years now. It is not a bad scope overall, although mine has a few minor glitches
and bugs. It has served my purposes so far anyway.

A simple way to check for peak resonance in the series loop between the yoke output
and grenade is to use a homemade current transformer like Ruslan was using.
If you have a small ferrite toroid of about 1 or 2 inches diameter or so, that should work
as long as the ferrite toroid works reasonably ok for frequencies down around 20kHz or so.
Just wind 2 or 3 turns of wire on the toroid and pass the wire from the series loop
through the center of the toroid. Connect your scope probe to the 2 or 3 turns winding
you made on the toroid and adjust the PWM frequency for max sinewave peaks on the scope.
The PWM frequency that gives the max peaks from the current transformer will be the
resonant frequency of the series resonant loop. Those max peaks will indicate the current
in the series loop is at maximum, which means series resonance.



« Last Edit: September 01, 2017, 05:00:00 AM by Void »

Offline itsu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1841
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17911 on: August 31, 2017, 07:32:33 PM »

Nick,

the 40W/220V bulb connected to the Grenade output is putting out still the same brightness when in resonance (half bright).
The 24V batterypack then supplies 6A, so 144W in, so most of the power is lost in the inductor coil which gets hot quick.

I guess it was worth the waiting when you finally get the Siglent Nick.


Itsu

Offline NickZ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17912 on: August 31, 2017, 08:24:46 PM »
   Inefficient yes, as it's built to work in another way, compared to a regular inverter.
The increased output will only be noticed when the kacher is doing it's job properly.

I've ordered the snubber resistors, for both of the snubbers.

Offline AlienGrey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3656
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17913 on: September 01, 2017, 02:10:18 AM »
AG,

this 3 times relation you mention, is to my knowledge not about the resonance of the wima cap/inductor compared to the kacher frequency.

Its the relation of the resonance frequency of the Grenade compared to the kacher frequency.
Like in my setup where i had the Grenade resonating on 2665Khz (2.665MHz) and had the kacher tuned (via a ferrite rod) to 1/3th which was 888Khz.

Ontop of that realtionship, there also has to be a 50x, 60x or 100x relation between the wima cap/ inductor resonance frequency and Grenade resonance frequency 

My setup was tuned for:
2.665Mhz grenade resonance frequency
888Khz kacher frequency (1/3)
26.6Khz wima cap / inductor resonance frequency (1/100th)

See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tgkg1XrDlk


At least that was how i understood the important relationships.

Itsu
Itsu I was going over some of your information you shared on this post I recall you saying you failed to achieve to gain Akulas goal, If I remember correctly somewhere in that or a similar video he mentions a threshold where he says the focus lies, I'm pretty sure the frequencies you quote are far too high and you may do better to look lower.

Regards Allen

Offline NickZ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17914 on: September 01, 2017, 02:56:45 AM »
   So, looking lower, I hit on it... Radio Moscow. Suddenly the device starts to sound just like Geos does.
The silence was gone... and the bulbs get brighter, big time.

   It's not that easy to find, that sweet spot, as I had searched for it throughout all of the full ranges of what the TL494 controllers can do.
   So,  I placed just a smaller 50w bulb on as the load, and started seeing a tad of increase in bulb brightness with the Kacher on. Light at the end of the tunnel, you might say. Then all of a sudden, while moving the yoke, just like Geo showed, there it was, doing the Geofusion ringing thing.  After it's been silent up to that time. There it is was... I had found the sweet spot.

   So, I went to take my dogs for a walk, and when I get back, I can't find the sweet spot again,  no matter how I adjust the controllers. Oh,  where did it go?... Where is that silly wabbit.   But, I did find it again,  and again.
However,  one of my fets gets real hot if I stay there too long. There's always a "but",  but so what...
   Radio Moscow at last...

   PS:  You'll know it when you hit on it. It starts ringing in Russian. Oh, don't forget the vodka, and cigs.  Or you'll never see it.
   

Offline Void

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2451
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17915 on: September 01, 2017, 03:24:26 AM »
Hi Itsu. If you still have your PWM connected to the ferrite yoke (or equivalent toroid)
with the series resonant loop going to the grenade, and, if you have
some time at some point, I wonder if you could check something for me?

Would you be able to wind a few turns on a ferrite toroid to make a
homemade current transformer and place it over the wire on the series
resonant loop (like Ruslan did previously), and connect one scope probe
to the homemade current transformer output and a second scope probe to show
the output voltage across the two output wires on the grenade coil with
the PWM running? A commercial current probe may include phase shift correction,
so I wanted to see if possible how it works for you when using a simple homemade
current transformer as Ruslan did previously, for comparison.

I just wanted to compare the phase difference that you are seeing between
these two waveforms to what I saw in my own tests. In my own tests using a
homemade current transformer like that, I did not see the 90 degree phase
difference between the two waveforms (loop current and grenade output voltage)
which Ruslan showed in one of his old videos. Just wondering what you get
when you use a homemade current transformer on the current loop? I see
either 0 degrees or 180 degrees phase difference (depending which way the scope probe
wires are connected), not the 90 degree phase difference that Ruslan showed (with
the Kacher turned off). 


Nick: That funny noise you mention may just be a spot where the
PWM goes unstable (parasitic oscillations or similar). That might well explain why
the FET gets hot. You would likely be able to see what is happening by looking at the
Drain to Source waveform of each of your PWM driver FETs with your scope
when it is happening. Would be informative to see what the scope shows
on the PWM driver FET waveforms when that is happening. It is interesting that you
see a little effect from the tesla coil when the PWM is doing that however.


Offline NickZ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17916 on: September 01, 2017, 03:49:10 AM »
   Void:
   It's not just a "little effect". It's the real deal... without it there is very poor output.
   I did install a CT like you mentioned, today. And did adjust for the highest output at the CT, as shown on my scope.
   But, what really seams to set it off, after tuning with the CT,  was moving the yoke around a bit. That kicked it into what Itsu would call the "Kaotic mode". It's there that the magic lies, and the effect is to be seen. Similar to what the Mazilli would do.

    Itsu: It seams that the static ringing noise like Geo had shown, is part of the "spacial resonant effect". At least on some devices, like mine and Geos.
 And without that sound I don't see the same kind of "effect". That sound can also be tuned best when it reaches a steady clear ringing sound. I'll show all these things in my next video. If my fets live that long without the proper snubbers on. Which is why I'm lowering the load of bulbs on, until I reinstall the right type and value of carbon resistors back onto the snubbers. As the higher load, like 600w, induces higher peaks, up to 230v in my case.

Offline Void

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2451
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17917 on: September 01, 2017, 04:29:54 AM »
Hi Nick. Ok, that is really interesting. It sounds to me like the PWM
becomes quite unstable when that happens, but I guess the big question is
why. Will be interested to see your video.

Offline AlienGrey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3656
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17918 on: September 01, 2017, 06:09:00 AM »
   Void:
   It's not just a "little effect". It's the real deal... without it there is very poor output.
   I did install a CT like you mentioned, today. And did adjust for the highest output at the CT, as shown on my scope.
   But, what really seems to set it off, after tuning with the CT,  was moving the yoke around a bit. That kicked it into what Itsu would call the "Chaotic mode". It's there that the magic lies, and the effect is to be seen. Similar to what the Mazilli would do.

    Itsu: It seems that the static ringing noise like Geo had shown, is part of the "special resonant effect". At least on some devices, like mine and Geos.
 And without that sound, I don't see the same kind of "effect". That sound can also be tuned best when it reaches a steady clear ringing sound. I'll show all these things in my next video. If my FET's live that long without the proper snubbers on. Which is why I'm lowering a load of bulbs on until I reinstall the right type and value of carbon resistors back onto the snubbers. As the higher load, like 600w, induces higher peaks, up to 230v in my case.
Hi Nick!
I must admit it does sound a little too good to be true, and I must admit I am beginning to a appreciate your past scepticism on my part, but yes you have got there and I must offer you congratulations on your achievement!

Allen

Offline Hoppy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4324
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17919 on: September 01, 2017, 09:18:01 AM »
Good climb Nick. The peak is in view!

Can you show a scope shot of both mosfet source / drain waveforms? Don't use your new scope for this! I got to this chaotic stage and reckoned that HV was affecting the PWM. As you say, I think this is the 'effect' that Geo and others have demonstrated and may well be the real deal to achieving what others claim to be a self-running device. You will need to monitor input current and voltage whilst this effect is taking place. I saw increased current and like you, one very hot mosfet.

Offline itsu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1841
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17920 on: September 01, 2017, 10:42:06 AM »
Itsu I was going over some of your information you shared on this post I recall you saying you failed to achieve to gain Akulas goal, If I remember correctly somewhere in that or a similar video he mentions a threshold where he says the focus lies, I'm pretty sure the frequencies you quote are far too high and you may do better to look lower.

Regards Allen

Allen,

its hardly possible to go lower on the kacher, the 888Khz which should be 1/3th of the grenade limits this, especially with the dimensions it needs to be contructed with.


Itsu

Offline itsu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1841
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17921 on: September 01, 2017, 10:47:56 AM »
   So, looking lower, I hit on it... Radio Moscow. Suddenly the device starts to sound just like Geos does.
The silence was gone... and the bulbs get brighter, big time.

   It's not that easy to find, that sweet spot, as I had searched for it throughout all of the full ranges of what the TL494 controllers can do.
   So,  I placed just a smaller 50w bulb on as the load, and started seeing a tad of increase in bulb brightness with the Kacher on. Light at the end of the tunnel, you might say. Then all of a sudden, while moving the yoke, just like Geo showed, there it was, doing the Geofusion ringing thing.  After it's been silent up to that time. There it is was... I had found the sweet spot.

   So, I went to take my dogs for a walk, and when I get back, I can't find the sweet spot again,  no matter how I adjust the controllers. Oh,  where did it go?... Where is that silly wabbit.   But, I did find it again,  and again.
However,  one of my fets gets real hot if I stay there too long. There's always a "but",  but so what...
   Radio Moscow at last...

   PS:  You'll know it when you hit on it. It starts ringing in Russian. Oh, don't forget the vodka, and cigs.  Or you'll never see it.
 


Nick,

i understand your excitement, but without proper snubbers, you probably hit like Void and Hoppy mentioned some oscillations / feedback (chaotic mode).
It will unbalans the yoke- and TL494 system and cause all kind of effects   ( i had my near by temperature controlled Weller soldering system shoot up to 500°C).

But be welcome to further explore this, and a video would be very nice to see.

Itsu

Offline itsu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1841
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17922 on: September 01, 2017, 10:51:46 AM »
Hi Itsu. If you still have your PWM connected to the ferrite yoke (or equivalent toroid)
with the series resonant loop going to the grenade, and, if you have
some time at some point, I wonder if you could check something for me?

Would you be able to wind a few turns on a ferrite toroid to make a
homemade current transformer and place it over the wire on the series
resonant loop (like Ruslan did previously), and connect one scope probe
to the homemade current transformer output and a second scope probe to show
the output voltage across the two output wires on the grenade coil with
the PWM running? A commercial current probe may include phase shift correction,
so I wanted to see if possible how it works for you when using a simple homemade
current transformer as Ruslan did previously, for comparison.

I just wanted to compare the phase difference that you are seeing between
these two waveforms to what I saw in my own tests. In my own tests using a
homemade current transformer like that, I did not see the 90 degree phase
difference between the two waveforms (loop current and grenade output voltage)
which Ruslan showed in one of his old videos. Just wondering what you get
when you use a homemade current transformer on the current loop? I see
either 0 degrees or 180 degrees phase difference (depending which way the scope probe
wires are connected), not the 90 degree phase difference that Ruslan showed (with
the Kacher turned off). 


Nick: That funny noise you mention may just be a spot where the
PWM goes unstable (parasitic oscillations or similar). That might well explain why
the FET gets hot. You would likely be able to see what is happening by looking at the
Drain to Source waveform of each of your PWM driver FETs with your scope
when it is happening. Would be informative to see what the scope shows
on the PWM driver FET waveforms when that is happening. It is interesting that you
see a little effect from the tesla coil when the PWM is doing that however.

Void,

i would be happy to conduct those tests, but we have been there before a few times and these tests were already done.

See f.i. this link in which there are again 2 links with the 2e one showing the measurements you ask:
http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg497451/#msg497451


I will setup things later today/this weekend.

Itsu

Offline AlienGrey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3656
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17923 on: September 01, 2017, 01:37:30 PM »
Oh yes this is really fun ;), I can see this next little 'gem/' is really going to be popular, now that Nick has found his sweet spot (I'm sorry but this is because the meal has been cooked with out the correct and or all the ingredients, because we have all not been able to understand what was said) a note needs to be taken of that frequency and the Katcher and grenade and inductor either need rewinding to be in resonance for maximum effect or in some way will need retuning.

Hence why the device is not transferable around the planet every one would be different.

All this in the Vids and some of the Russian forums.

Regards Allen

Offline AlienGrey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3656
Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17924 on: September 01, 2017, 02:50:51 PM »