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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 10158814 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17970 on: September 05, 2017, 05:28:26 PM »

   Hoppy:  I'm not establishing anything at this time. Nor am I saying the mosfets need to be going into any particular condition.
I'm simply stating what I see. But, it may be that while clamping the voltage peaks to run under the 200 volts of the mosfet limits,  that that may cause the "effect" to not be present, and not kick in.
 

If eventually you get the 'effect' without the mosfet getting very hot, then you will have automatically established that its not primarily due to an avalanche condition. I was not suggesting that you to do anything particular to establish this, or decide on a condition that's causing it.

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17971 on: September 05, 2017, 05:40:58 PM »
Itsu and NickZ please be aware if that data on your spectrum analyser is off Nicks video, Google and the phone frequency response might use compression software as we found out using a video from Adrian Guska tests were made and might very well be misleading. Also, you might need a bit of voltage hysteresis between the anding diodes cap junction and back feeding the push-pull power feed to limit the current when the spike occurs you can monitor that with your new scope.

Allen

Offline Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17972 on: September 05, 2017, 05:52:03 PM »
Hi Nick. What model is your Siglent scope?

Not sure if your Siglent scope is similar to my scope for controls and features, but here
is how some things work on my Siglent scope:

To use the built in 'Measure' feature, press the Measure button to display the
Measure display panel on the vertical right side of the scope screen. To change which individual
measurements are being displayed in the 'Measure' display panel section, press one of the unmarked buttons
beside each individual measurement that run in a vertical line just to the right of the
right side of the scope display. For example, when you press one of those vertical row of
unmarked buttons when the Measure display panel is turned on, you can then select 'Voltage',
then for the 'Source' select 'CH1' or 'CH2', and for the type you can try selecting Vmax for example,
then select 'Return'. (This is assuming your Siglent scope is similar to mine for the controls).

A handy feature for automatically vertically centering the Ch1 and Ch2 displays
on the screen is to press the CH1 and CH2 'Position' knobs all the way in (you
should hear a beep), and then the trace for that scope channel will get auto vertically
centered. This is handy when you want to quickly vertically center the scope traces.

You can do the same thing with the Horizontal 'Position' knob. Pressing it all the way
in automatically centers the scope traces in the center horizonatally on the scope screen.
This centered horizontal position should be the default.

That auto center feature also works if you push in the Trigger 'Level' knob all the way in
as well. That will auto center the trigger level to the vertical center of the scope screen.

For normal operation, the 'Single' button in the top right corner should be off, and the
Run/Stop button should show as being on (lights yellow on my scope when in run mode, lighting yellow means Run, red means Stop).


To print a scope screen shot to a USB flash drive:
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Insert a USB thumb drive into the front USB slot on the scope.

To configure the scope 'Print' button to print scope screen shots to the USB drive:
Press the 'Save/Recall' button on the scope.
On the right side of the scope display, press the unmarked button to the right of the 'Type' selection and select 'Picture'.
For the 'Print Key' option choose 'Save Picture'.

Press the scope's 'Measure' button to display the Measure display panel on the Scope screen again.
When you are ready to save a scope screen shot to the USB drive, press the 'Print' button,
which on my scope is located just to the right of the bottom right corner of the scope screen.
The screen shot should get saved to a folder on the USB drive.
For my Siglent scope, the screen shot gets saved to a BMP file in a folder called "BMP" on the USB drive.
Your scope being newer than mine may have an option to save to a different type of picture file format.
(Since the forum software here doesn't accept BMP files, I have to manually convert them to PNG using other image editing software).

My scope is five years old or maybe six years old, so I don't know if your Siglent scope
will work exactly the same as my Siglent scope does for saving scope screen shots. Your scope could
be somewhat different, but it is probably fairly similar if not the same.


Offline itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17973 on: September 05, 2017, 06:14:33 PM »
Itsu and NickZ please be aware if that data on your spectrum analyser is off Nicks video, Google and the phone frequency response might use compression software as we found out using a video from Adrian Guska tests were made and might very well be misleading. Also, you might need a bit of voltage hysteresis between the anding diodes cap junction and back feeding the push-pull power feed to limit the current when the spike occurs you can monitor that with your new scope.

Allen

Good point AG, so Nick should do the analysis himself.

Not sure what you mean by:

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you might need a bit of voltage hysteresis between the anding diodes cap junction and back feeding the push-pull power feed to limit the current when the spike occurs you can monitor that with your new scope[/size]

Itsu

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17974 on: September 05, 2017, 07:05:02 PM »
Good point AG, so Nick should do the analysis himself.

Not sure what you mean by:

Itsu
well we want to use all energy we have available here as far as the phenomena is concerned if we make the device a designers model piece, we could be chucking out the phenomena with the baby and the dirty water, you can play clean waveforms later if it's a problem.

Allen

Offline NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17975 on: September 05, 2017, 08:19:49 PM »
  Itsu:
  Those spectrum analyzer shots are interesting.
As the new scope has FFT, I'll see what that will show, also.  And then adjust the drivers to run at those same resonant frequency peaks. A controlable Kacher circuit may also need to be built, next.

  Void: Thanks for the scope info.
   My scope  did come with everything, including the manuals. So, I'll be reading those operating instructions, soon.
  And, I'll re-read your scope info again, as well.
 

Offline Void

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« Reply #17976 on: September 05, 2017, 08:50:30 PM »
Hi Nick. I found that for some features the manual isn't all that great,
so I had to fiddle around on my own to figure out how some things work. :)


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17977 on: September 05, 2017, 09:26:55 PM »
  Itsu:
  Those spectrum analyzer shots are interesting.
As the new scope has FFT, I'll see what that will show, also.  And then adjust the drivers to run at those same resonant frequency peaks. A controlable Kacher circuit may also need to be built, next.

  Void: Thanks for the scope info.
   My scope  did come with everything, including the manuals. So, I'll be reading those operating instructions, soon.
  And, I'll re-read your scope info again, as well.
 

Nick,

that spectrum analyzer shot was not from my Rigol SA as that one does not go that low (guess your FFT also won't go there), so i used a soundcard
scope /SA application:   https://www.zeitnitz.eu/Scope_en

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17978 on: September 05, 2017, 11:25:56 PM »
   Itsu:
   I'll compare my 10 inch tablet's sound analyzer frequency app readings, with that of the scope's frequency signals, also.

   So a new sweet spot found today at 27.3KHz, or so. And the FETs don't heat up as much there, as at 15KHz. While  showing lower peaks also.
   I'll see if I can kick it into showing the effect at 27KHz. It a!ready likes it there, even without going into the chaotic mode.

  I see that my Fets and the TL494 can only go down to 13KHz, no lower,  but when the effect kicks,  the frequency changes.
I'll chect to see what it changes to.

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« Reply #17979 on: September 07, 2017, 10:18:03 AM »

Nick,

when i change to 27Khz on the TL494, nothing special happens nor any other frequency outside of resonance (15.5Khz).
The input (@24V) current drops from 6A at resonance to 0.5A or so outside resonance, so off cource nothing heats up
and peaks are lower, nothing strange there.

My tl494 also does not go lower then 13Khz, thats limited by the 1nF cap, change that one and it changes the frequency range,
see my earlier post on the influence of the cap on the frequency.


Did you change the Oleg snubber to how it should be connected?     What was the result?


Itsu

Offline AlienGrey

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« Reply #17980 on: September 07, 2017, 12:35:52 PM »
Nick  Itsu, to be honest, I wouldn't bother too much about anything other than getting the spikes down.

What I find interesting are Nicks new phenomena statements he says he is getting  273000 hz / 8=34125 sounds like you have something the base is 8hz.

the 470nf controls the res freq up to a point by charging pulses ect

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« Reply #17981 on: September 07, 2017, 04:56:43 PM »
   Itsu:
   No, I haven't gotten my resistors for the snubbers yet.
   I have been trying to kick into activation the 27.3KHz sweet spot, but I have not been able to do so there.
   The Kacher is what activates it to go into the chaotic mode.  And it won't just go there without the Kacher's HV pulses.
And without going into that special mode, there is NO effect, or just a little effect noticed.
   At the lower frequency sweet spot, at around 16.3KHz or so, I can make it go into both normal and chaotic resonance. But, like I had mentioned, the one fet gets really hot very quickly, as the peaks go over 250v. The left fet is the one with higher voltage peaks that gets hot, while the other fet never gets hot.
   So, I guess that it's a matter of balance, to get the maximum effect, but without burning the fets out with over-voltages.
   I may get my snubber resistors tomorrow, if I'm lucky. We'll see.
   
   NickZ
   
   

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« Reply #17982 on: September 07, 2017, 05:09:16 PM »

Nick,

i know that you do not have your ordered resistors yet, but as your present Oleg snubber is connected up wrong, it still might work OK with
the present resistor after connecting up the Oleg snubber the correct way.


Anyway,  take your time, no hurry here, get to know your new scope first.


Itsu

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« Reply #17983 on: September 08, 2017, 01:33:10 AM »
   Itsu:
   I may be confused about the pin out on the MUR1530 that I'm using. As well as your diagram.
   So, I can't seem to find the right way to connect up the Oleg snubber.  I may have the polarity wrong on those diodes, but I'm not sure what's wrong. As I can't tell from looking at their data sheet.
  I'll post a close up of the snubber in my next post.
   

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« Reply #17984 on: September 08, 2017, 04:23:13 AM »
This pinout is standard for diodes in the TO-220 package.