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developing idea's
« on: September 13, 2012, 02:26:04 PM »
  @all,
 to develop an idea requires trying it in different ways.. by doing so, between the experience gained from the build itself, the mechanics that could allow for a successful demonstration would become better known.
 with one build I am doing, I will be trying the same thing 3 different ways.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 03:45:55 AM »
Really?  But you said Stefan does not support O.U.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2012, 05:39:51 AM »
hey bill
you ever talk to a metholic people.. they have big dreams and think everyone is against them.. their mind is racing but they still don't get nothing good done all day long.. sound familiar.. remember ..ist.. and now we have jimbo johnny..
 
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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2012, 06:02:26 AM »
Robbie:

Exactly right. He claims Stefan banned him because Stefan does not believe that O.U. is possible.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2012, 06:49:03 PM »
Robbie:

Exactly right. He claims Stefan banned him because Stefan does not believe that O.U. is possible.

Bill

  Bill,
 Do you know what slander is ? it's when you keep posting crap about someone trying to prove something and since you live in Kentucky just like I do, it would be no problem to show your posts to a  judge. I think he would wonder why you keep on when I quit posting.
 And I think in Kentucky they also go after domains that do not acknowledge the decisions of courts in the state of Kentucky. Anyway, something for you to think about.
 
edited to add for anyone wishing to encourage Bill,
   Uh Bill,
 You have gone way over the line. Looking to say any kind of crap about me and think because it's Stefan's forum it's okay ?
The laws of Kentucky apply very much in this forum and I think that's why tk backed off, but with you, it might just take
talking to a judge.
 like you said, you're not the moderator of the gravity section but you have been moderating it favorably for tk and yourself.
I think a judge would see that, especially when tk says I'd have to be the messiah to have a couple of different idea's. From one extreme to the other.
 If I'm not God then I have to be an idiot, pretty much what he was setting up and I think a judge would agree unless of course you have him in your back pocket too. Of course, you and tk trying to make me look like an idiot could be considered libelous or slanderous. You are trying to defame me or make it so nobody would work or post with me.
 Us living in the same state will make you much easier to pursue. Think about it.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2012, 08:05:02 PM »
There you go again Jimpbo. I've told you and told you.... whenever you mention my name or initials in your lying, misrepresenting posts, I am going to remind you that you have LIBELLED ME IN PUBLIC, by making a serious and lying accusation that you have not withdrawn nor apologised for.

You should go and ask your Kentucky judge what he thinks of this claim that you made on my YT video.... My video, the eighth in a series, my video that was posted PUBLICLY a week BEFORE Bill started his thread and you ever mentioned anything concerning your "idea" that you claim I ripped off and then took credit for. Ask your judge about what your claim and accusation constitutes, and whether he then advises you to keep on with your idiocy.

In fact, the dates make your claim IMPOSSIBLE, and make it perfectly possible that YOU in fact saw my construction first.



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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 01:52:06 AM »

  Bill,
 Do you know what slander is ? it's when you keep posting crap about someone trying to prove something and since you live in Kentucky just like I do, it would be no problem to show your posts to a  judge. I think he would wonder why you keep on when I quit posting.
 And I think in Kentucky they also go after domains that do not acknowledge the decisions of courts in the state of Kentucky. Anyway, something for you to think about.
 
edited to add for anyone wishing to encourage Bill,
   Uh Bill,
 You have gone way over the line. Looking to say any kind of crap about me and think because it's Stefan's forum it's okay ?
The laws of Kentucky apply very much in this forum and I think that's why tk backed off, but with you, it might just take
talking to a judge.
 like you said, you're not the moderator of the gravity section but you have been moderating it favorably for tk and yourself.
I think a judge would see that, especially when tk says I'd have to be the messiah to have a couple of different idea's. From one extreme to the other.
 If I'm not God then I have to be an idiot, pretty much what he was setting up and I think a judge would agree unless of course you have him in your back pocket too. Of course, you and tk trying to make me look like an idiot could be considered libelous or slanderous. You are trying to defame me or make it so nobody would work or post with me.
 Us living in the same state will make you much easier to pursue. Think about it.

Where to start....ok....first, since I have not spoken to anyone on this forum in person, it is impossible for me to slander you. (Look it up Mr. attorney)  Second, only you would think that it is libelous (correct word) to quote you in your own words in your posts here. 

Typical, you make lying posts, I quote them and I am the one making you look like an idiot?

You can try whatever legal threats you want...I look forward to it...but first, have the Judge explain what slander is and then be sure to tell him I libeled you by quoting you.  Then be sure to tell him that you lied about what you claim Stefan said to you in a pm.  By putting that out there you put Stefan's earnings from this forum in peril.  You cast dispersions on his credibility which could easily cost him thousands of dollars/month.  Why not produce this famous pm Stefan sent to you?  You can't because you lied about it.  That Judge will have a very interesting talk with you, especially if you tell him all about libeling TK and me.

Obviously Jim, you do not understand the gravity of the situation.  (Pun intended)

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 11:20:40 PM »
Where to start....ok....first, since I have not spoken to anyone on this forum in person, it is impossible for me to slander you. (Look it up Mr. attorney)  Second, only you would think that it is libelous (correct word) to quote you in your own words in your posts here. 

Typical, you make lying posts, I quote them and I am the one making you look like an idiot?

You can try whatever legal threats you want...I look forward to it...but first, have the Judge explain what slander is and then be sure to tell him I libeled you by quoting you.  Then be sure to tell him that you lied about what you claim Stefan said to you in a pm.  By putting that out there you put Stefan's earnings from this forum in peril.  You cast dispersions on his credibility which could easily cost him thousands of dollars/month.  Why not produce this famous pm Stefan sent to you?  You can't because you lied about it.  That Judge will have a very interesting talk with you, especially if you tell him all about libeling TK and me.

Obviously Jim, you do not understand the gravity of the situation.  (Pun intended)

Bill

  I'll tell you what Bill, after I get done with the build I'm doing, I'll make it known that people from Stefan to yourself said it couldn't work.
The posts are here. I thought Stefan said this is a research forum. It's not.
 
 To add Alan's aka ab hammer's comments;  >>  Correction time as usual for Jim

Alan is the actual problem. He has said many times he only considers his armoring to be real engineering.

No you are the problem, and I said Blacksmithing/armouring is an early and pure form of engineering as well. YOU!! said it was not engineering.

The rest is so many lies and bull$#!+ it is not worth commenting on.

I knew he would to come back to lie and slander

By the way Jim. How are you going to keep your wheel from doing this as show in the picture below? For what I see this is all you are going to get. Like I said I only want to talk wheel.  <<
 
  @All, with the attached drawing, Alan is pointing to the weighted lever that did not pump any water. The real question is what would keep the weighted lever up ? he says it won't work and is well supported in here in making such claims. I have poisted videos showing this tyype of pump works quite well. So much for doing research. A link to the video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl2dJaavS8&feature=plcp
and the link to Alan's comments, kind of shows what I've had to put up with while working on an idea.
Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant« Reply #2279 on: March 19, 2010, 08:33:40 PM »Quote
Quote from: P-Motion on March 19, 2010, 08:10:13 PMhttp://www.overunity.com/7150/sjack-abeling-gravity-wheel-and-the-worlds-first-weight-power-plant/2265/  What is missed by those that dislike me is I have been willing to stickj with an idea I like. And all they have is b.s. to offer. Enjoy your jealousy Bill, Alan's post shows you guys have been after me for a very long time. But as Alan says, he may have Bessler's wheel so I should be nice to him. I can show that post as well. But the reality is, you, tinselfkoala and Alan don't or won't discuss engineering.  @Everyone else, the drawing I am attaching is essiantially what I am building. It requires more knowledge of engineering than what my critics possess. The drawing was an early concept and realizing a way to make it into a working wheel has not been easy. Unfortunately for myself, nobody in here develops an idea openly. All of Alan's work is privately built. He doesn't believe in sharing information unless he is given something that might be of value. So Bill, you can go ahead and get me banned, the reality is either the build I am doing will show potential or it won't. As far as engineering goes, it does have potential, it just takes time to develop it and this forum is not the place.  LMAO !

edited again to add; at everyone who is not in the posse, the pic of Mt xx shows Bessler's wheel without the water pumps  :-)
choke on it Alan. decided not to show it and you can tell everyone how you've done nothing but metal work aka armoring for 26 years and learned nothing but that. it would require having some other experience. and one day we will meet and i'll gladly insert your cane up your rear end where it belongs.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 12:30:27 AM »
Every time, Jimpbo, that you mention me I am going to remind you and everyone else that you are a huge liar, that you have libelled me, you have made false claims and you have not retracted them or apologized.  EVERY TIME.

Nobody is going to "discuss engineering" with you, Mister "CUBIC INCHES OF SURFACE AREA", because you do not know what you are talking about and you refuse to educate yourself. In addition, you are a whiner, you blame other people for your inadequacies, you have NOTHING that works, and you are always "going to do something" if only people would just leave you alone. You are a wimp and a whiner, and this forum was much better off for the past week when you have not been posting your nonsense garbage and whining lies.


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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 11:32:38 PM »
Every time, Jimpbo, that you mention me I am going to remind you and everyone else that you are a huge liar, that you have libelled me, you have made false claims and you have not retracted them or apologized.  EVERY TIME.

Nobody is going to "discuss engineering" with you, Mister "CUBIC INCHES OF SURFACE AREA", because you do not know what you are talking about and you refuse to educate yourself. In addition, you are a whiner, you blame other people for your inadequacies, you have NOTHING that works, and you are always "going to do something" if only people would just leave you alone. You are a wimp and a whiner, and this forum was much better off for the past week when you have not been posting your nonsense garbage and whining lies.
classic projection...

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 07:13:34 AM »
Oh Shush the pair of you.

If you both walked into court and accused each other of libel. The judge would read the posts and laugh you out of HIS courtroom.

To prove libel you MUST prove the person you are accusing of damaging your reputation, which may result in financial or other losses.

How far do you really think you'd get accusing each other of libel in an anonymous forum that deals in perpetual motion machines. You'd be lucky if he didn't decide to have you both committed. Your reputation has already been irrevocably damaged by your own statements.

We play scientifically challenged theoretical games here. I doubt you can libel anyone.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 05:31:33 PM »
classic projection...

  Not sure Wilby, I am the only person I know of that is openly attacked for saying Johann Bessler built a working wheel.
Had one person tell me that if math could figure out how his wheel worked, it would have done so by now. and this means that only a vision from God will reveal his secret. I came out as the person that was ignorant for having a willingness to consider engineering could provide the solution to his wheel.
 And what such believers in God have missed is that in one of his drawings, he displays 3 crosses that are made to have a resemblence to a pendulum. Since Johann Bessler seems to have been a devout Christian (he quoted the Bible over 100 times), it should not be surprising if he used a symbol(s) of christian faith to tell someone to have faith.
  So I guess when the one person said only a visdion was required to solve Bessler's wheel, bessler himself would have said having faith that he did build a wheel and that as he wanted to start a school because there was something that he knew that was worth learning. But a lazy man would not be willing to do the labors necessary to learn and thus would implore God to give them a vision to hide their own laziness.
 By the way, 3 crosses usually represent the crucifixion of Jesus and the 2 thieves that were with him. Here's a link the the pic.
What to say ? pendulums don't need cross(es) bars.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/images/Merseburg_wheel1.jpg
 And if ya'all check, elements in the drawings Bessler did of the wheels he built can be found in his Maschinen Tractate. Something pretty much ignored by people who have shown an interest in Johann's work.
 With me, am tired of getting slammed for working on it by skeptics who proclaim their expertise while lacking any formal training in mechanical engineering. Heck, they can't even cite work experience like being a mill wright. At least then they would have some understanding of how complex mechanical systems with possibly heat exchangers, pumps, vacuum, pneumatic, hydraulic and pressurized fluid systems work, but they don't think there is much to actual engineering.
 

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 12:16:30 AM »
  @All,
 2 different drawings of Johann Bessler's. The encircled areas both show the same detail.
Somehting Bessler afficiandos have missed for over 300 years. It could be that they ignored
this statement of his; 1sfollow tfhttp://www.orfbkiusrdnbsefke the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.


NB. 1st May, 1733. Due to the arrest, I burned and buried all papers that prove the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.
sorry about the post, it is what it is.
Orffyreus
 
edited to add; the pumping mechanism that I have been working to demonstrate is the one found in Mt 66. I have done builds for which I wish to aplogize for.

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012, 04:16:19 AM »
  hmm,
 I can see where I'm not missing anything by not posting any of the work I've been doing.
 have let stefan know what I'm doing
 kind of surprising (not really) that idea's aren't discussed in here.

edited to add; told one gal I know about the critics in this forum. she asked if I was going to prove those critics wrong. I told her no because they'll never be wrong, they'll just change their story.
 at least now I can work in peace and take my time in working out the details.

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2012, 11:28:05 AM »
  hmm,
 I can see where I'm not missing anything by not posting any of the work I've been doing.
 have let stefan know what I'm doing
 kind of surprising (not really) that idea's aren't discussed in here.

edited to add; told one gal I know about the critics in this forum. she asked if I was going to prove those critics wrong. I told her no because they'll never be wrong, they'll just change their story.
 at least now I can work in peace and take my time in working out the details.


As far as developing idea's go, presenting what you have to date is a good way to get feedback. If all your feedback is positive it means you are presenting to the wrong crowd. You cant get it right 100% first time. All feedback especially the critical feedback is vital in discerning where your possible problems are.

If the critic is honest and you understand the criticism, present your solution to the criticism, an honest critic will asses your solution and either accept your solution or tell you why your solution wont work.

If you don't understand the criticism. Take the time to learn about what the person is saying, perhaps they understand whats going on better than you.

If you can't come up with a possible solution.  Then the flaw is fatal and its time to move on to something else. Why waste time trying to solve the impossible.

If you don't want a critical response then don't present anything until you have a confirmed working model in front of you. Not an almost confirmed working model where you just need to add a weight or make it bigger/smaller/lighter etc. Often that means your design is also fatally flawed. In fact in OU that has proved the case in 100% of ideas presented so far.

Flattery while its great for stroking the ego does nothing more than that. there are too many people on this forum that just flatter others. usually they don't have a clue about what the presenter is saying (often they simply don't have a clue) and so their flattery is pointless.


 

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