Robbie:
Exactly right. He claims Stefan banned him because Stefan does not believe that O.U. is possible.
Bill
Bill,
Do you know what slander is ? it's when you keep posting crap about someone trying to prove something and since you live in Kentucky just like I do, it would be no problem to show your posts to a judge. I think he would wonder why you keep on when I quit posting.
And I think in Kentucky they also go after domains that do not acknowledge the decisions of courts in the state of Kentucky. Anyway, something for you to think about.
edited to add for anyone wishing to encourage Bill,
Uh Bill,
You have gone way over the line. Looking to say any kind of crap about me and think because it's Stefan's forum it's okay ?
The laws of Kentucky apply very much in this forum and I think that's why tk backed off, but with you, it might just take
talking to a judge.
like you said, you're not the moderator of the gravity section but you have been moderating it favorably for tk and yourself.
I think a judge would see that, especially when tk says I'd have to be the messiah to have a couple of different idea's. From one extreme to the other.
If I'm not God then I have to be an idiot, pretty much what he was setting up and I think a judge would agree unless of course you have him in your back pocket too. Of course, you and tk trying to make me look like an idiot could be considered libelous or slanderous. You are trying to defame me or make it so nobody would work or post with me.
Us living in the same state will make you much easier to pursue. Think about it.
Where to start....ok....first, since I have not spoken to anyone on this forum in person, it is impossible for me to slander you. (Look it up Mr. attorney) Second, only you would think that it is libelous (correct word) to quote you in your own words in your posts here.
Typical, you make lying posts, I quote them and I am the one making you look like an idiot?
You can try whatever legal threats you want...I look forward to it...but first, have the Judge explain what slander is and then be sure to tell him I libeled you by quoting you. Then be sure to tell him that you lied about what you claim Stefan said to you in a pm. By putting that out there you put Stefan's earnings from this forum in peril. You cast dispersions on his credibility which could easily cost him thousands of dollars/month. Why not produce this famous pm Stefan sent to you? You can't because you lied about it. That Judge will have a very interesting talk with you, especially if you tell him all about libeling TK and me.
Obviously Jim, you do not understand the gravity of the situation. (Pun intended)
Bill
Every time, Jimpbo, that you mention me I am going to remind you and everyone else that you are a huge liar, that you have libelled me, you have made false claims and you have not retracted them or apologized. EVERY TIME.classic projection...
Nobody is going to "discuss engineering" with you, Mister "CUBIC INCHES OF SURFACE AREA", because you do not know what you are talking about and you refuse to educate yourself. In addition, you are a whiner, you blame other people for your inadequacies, you have NOTHING that works, and you are always "going to do something" if only people would just leave you alone. You are a wimp and a whiner, and this forum was much better off for the past week when you have not been posting your nonsense garbage and whining lies.
classic projection...
hmm,
I can see where I'm not missing anything by not posting any of the work I've been doing.
have let stefan know what I'm doing
kind of surprising (not really) that idea's aren't discussed in here.
edited to add; told one gal I know about the critics in this forum. she asked if I was going to prove those critics wrong. I told her no because they'll never be wrong, they'll just change their story.
at least now I can work in peace and take my time in working out the details.
what I find funny is when webby1 offered to send his set up to tinselkoala, tk's reply was " golly, I don't know if I could be trusted with it". not an exact quote but he was making fun of Tom.
if anyone tried the zed, all they need to do is have a weigbt compress an outer chamber and have a weight lifted by the middle chamber/cylinder with two extra chambers if they want. they'll see tne weight being lifted has the same force as the weight creating the input pressure.
what mignt be missed is this, work is mass times distance while force is mass times velocity.
flow rate of a compressed fluid is determined by volume times velocity, this what would determine the amount of force it has that can be converted into electricty by powering a hycro~generator. I think that is what mrwayne has over looked. basically compressed fluids have a lower velocity.
And as I told him is that steam turnines use jets to convert the high pressure low velocity potential into a low pressure high velocity energy source. he and his engineers refute this but it is them that are wrong.
of course, I think he is a fraud and is only in here hoping someone will give him a solution that he can claim as what he supposecly spent $40,000 patenting.
still, even using jets would only think his system would break even on it's energy output compared to it's energy consumption.
what I find funny is when webby1 offered to send his set up to tinselkoala, tk's reply was " golly, I don't know if I could be trusted with it". not an exact quote but he was making fun of Tom.
You are a liar, plain and simple. I said no such thing, exact or not, and I have never made fun of Tom. You make these blatant lying assertions without the slightest shred of evidence to back up your mendacious claims.
Not only that but you have also lied many times about me. Every time you mention my name I will remind you and everyone else that you are a liar, you have libelled me and made false claims and accusations about me.
Go ahead and lie all you like about your useless wasted "work" with Bessler wheels, Jimbo. Blame everybody else for why you can't do anything useful. But leave my name out of your lying fantasies.
What I find funny is that Bessler's wheel is so simple a child could build it... but you cannot.
@pirate88719,
I showed your friends post. ever since he has posted in this part of the forum, I have been nothing but harassed by thr two of you.
like when you posted you like it where smart people like him show me where I wrong when all he did was repost what I had already posted. and what did I do to piss the two of you off ? I posted an idea that was gravity powered.
bill,Translation: Feel sorry for him, he can't work, he has medical problems that prevent him from saving the world with a Bessler wheel.
like ab hammer and tk both say, my medical problems don't matter. considering I'm off work because of them, not sure where they went to medical school.
Translation: There is nothing there, no invention, no patent, just words and unfulfilled promises, and it's everyone else's fault but Jimbo's that he cannot work and show Milkovic how to make his pendulum perpetual.
@Aem, milkovic's pendulum is not perpetual. the improvement that would allow for it to work perpetually would make it my invention. also have been told in this forum that people should refrain from patenting ANY invention. if tbey are that charitable, then donating patent rights to charity should be something they're willing to do to show tbey're about something other than looking for a free energy.
Translation: Other people are distracting him from working with their bs.
@bill, have been working on the mechanics but bs can be distracting. it is like the best way I can think of to seal a tube is by setting the two sides of tbe tube into the outer part of the wheel. not an easy thing to do.
so all I can do for now is work on construction techniques and better linkage for pumps and levers.
will need to be back at work so I can rent shop space again. but will be worth it to demonstrate that it is something Bessler could have built with the materials he had available back then.If only he could work, then he could afford to rent a shop so he could prove to the world that Bessler could have built a wheel. If only.
tk, when u post saying I blew it because I lose all rights to an invention even though I posted a link to the USPTO stating other wise tells me u only play games.
this forum in reality is a skeptics forum because the people with no verifable schooling in mechanical engineering are tbe resident experts.
after all tk, haven't seen you discuss engineering yet, a topic ab hammer avoided as well. seems like him, ur willing to rip someone off by trying to discredit them.
and bill, ur the person who told me about ur dad, could b y u wouldnt mind seeing me get screwed by one of ur friends.
edit
bill, can u show me the rule that says I have to build?havent seen u, tk or ab hammer build a wheel. havent had much of an example to follow.
johnny874 "....milkovic's pendulum is not perpetual."
Right, and neither is yours by the looks of it. It will stay that way until you absolutely prove it by demonstrating an operational prototype. Announcing any kind of "discovery" with just drawings in hand won't do, it will only make you look foolish.... you must demonstrate it or it's just another drawing.
johnny874 "The improvement that would allow for it to work perpetually would make it my invention."
Would it? Prove it! Make the improvement.... Make sure it works.... Then make an announcement.
johnny874 "Also have been told in this forum that people should refrain from patenting ANY invention. If they are that charitable, then donating patent rights to charity should be something they're willing to do to show tbey're about something other than looking for a free energy."
Well, I don't know about all that.... Right now I'm too busy plastering the internet with the results of about twenty years of my own research, up to this point, on a truly new and unique design of my own (free of charge) here.... http://scienceforums.com/topic/26247-gravity-driven-mechanisms/ (http://scienceforums.com/topic/26247-gravity-driven-mechanisms/) and here.... http://thecolemechanism.blogspot.com/ (http://thecolemechanism.blogspot.com/) and even here.... http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg339219/#new (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg339219/#new) .... and that's just for starters. Anyone is free to follow my progress, replicate it, modify it.... or just ignore it!
As far as going to the trouble of patenting something and then donating the patent rights to charity goes.... What's the point? Why bother going to all that trouble when you can just donate it to the world using the internet? Just a thought.
I don't want to argue with you (it looks like you have your hands full already) so I won't post any more in your threads, I'll just read them, besides.... I have to get back to work on my real physical three dimensional prototype.
Good luck man, something tells me you're going need it....
Emile
Thanks Emile. Unfortunately, some people in here believe idea's should be given freely with no credit given to whose idea it was
you know bill, they say everything happens for a reason. and like Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens said, God doesn't make mistakes. could be why my dad lived under the 3rd Reich for, so I would know oppressive people when I meet them. would salute you but I don't salute the Nazi flag.
I see, and if you don't you're stuck with it.... a rather irritating thing for a science forum to do on purpose. It not only confuses the topic but cheapens the posts as well.... I don't like it.
Thanks Bill (nice to meet you).... Emile
CC,
With Bessler's wheel, I am trying to demonstrate that Bessler's claims are legitamate.
This does not allow me to claim that I am the invetor. I have known other people who are interested in seeing a Bessler wheel work.
It may be that a principle as simple as 8 pumps working sequentially is something they can not uncerstand.
One thing I am keeping in the back of my mind is my test wheel might be able to be cleaned up for use as an attempt at a working wheel.
I think what some dislike is that Bessler
himself said he built many wheels. I've built quite a few myself so I could better understand how much over balance is needed and what might be good ways to conserve momentum. The design I'm working on is the best solution,
edited to add; Chris, would be best for me to wait until I have a place to work. I hoped to find someone to work with who had a place to work but something critics discourage.
Next month I will be going on long term disability which means thirty days of no income. This means about all I can do is try and work out some of the mechanics and try to come up with a design I like that won't be to difficult to build. One reason why is the wheel would need at least 16 primary levers. Then there is the gears they would work with.
I wish you the best of luck then
Just keep this in mind.
Bessler claimed 300 years ago to have invented his wheel.
Only one person other than him saw its insides.
There is ZERO proof it worked (testimony is not proof, its hearsay)
His maid admitted to the fraud.
He destroyed the machine about that time. My belief is to ensure no one could verify the maids account of how the wheel worked.
Since then many many people have tried. Not one has succeeded in 300 years.
I think the odds are pretty high that it cannot be done. That hasnt stopped me from toying with different designs though. But nothing I have come up with so far can work and I am pretty ingenious, But I would never claim to be smarter than 300 years worth of effort.
CC
Pirate88179 "Very nice to meet you sir. I do agree with you but, we do have to remember that this is quite a large site and there are, I am sure, some large expenses associated with that. If Stefan (the forum owner) can generate some revenue by adding those links to off-set the costs involved, i don't see that as being too bad a thing."
Point taken.... thanks for the welcome.
johnny874 "....post a wheel that is gravity powered. magnets are not considered perpetual motion."
Not so fast.... the jury is still out on that one.
And bill's friend tinselfkoala has accused me of posting an idea that is his but has had to show no proof when he claims to have some. bill and stefan want me to be nice to tk. not sure why.
readt the thread heron's fountain which bill started and then read the thread modified heron's fountain which I started. I was willing to work with bill and tinself koala but they were to good. instead, tk wanted credit for what I thought of.
More lies. TK did NOT steal your idea. His videos were up on youtube long before you posted anything. I think you took credit for his work as the dates prove. Just because you repeat this lie over and over does not make it any more true.
Also, I am not married, another lie. I have nothing against foreign women. As a matter of fact, I love foreign women, as often as possible.
Are you attempting to set a record for how many lies you can post before being banned again? How many times have you been banned from this site now? 3? 4? I lost count. it was not because you have any real ideas or builds, it was because you lie about other members and constantly violate the TOS for this site. (That is Terms Of Service Mr. cubic inches of surface area)
What "engineer" uses terms like "Cubic inches of surface area"? You post crap like that and then try to defend it and then claim we are picking on you. You are an idiot. If you do not know what that means, look it up. I would not be surprised to see your picture next to the definition.
Magnets can not be used in a perpetuum mobile? Why? Because Mr. Cubic Inches Of Surface Areas says so? Go to school, get an engineering degree and then maybe we can talk. Until then....piss off troll.
Bill
PS I have posted videos of magnetic wheel experiments. They are mine. Unlike you, I do not steal other people's work. I don't have to as I have original ideas of my own and I share them freely. So, go ahead and apply for a patent. They will have a good laugh over there trying to read your piss-poor typing and butchering of the English language. You must have dropped out of school in the 3rd grade....sheesh!
johnny874 I would strongly recommend that you prove your critics wrong. If you believe your improvements will work then rather than comment on here. knuckle down as best you can (health withstanding) and get the job done.
If you succeed, get a patent pending and you will own the rights to the device. For anyone to say they thought of it first would require them to have patented it first. The new patent system makes filing date more important than invention date.
If someone says "here is my patent and it precedes yours". Then all you have to do is ask them to show it working based on their own patent. The working device will always trump the non working 'claim' and so far NO ONE has produced a working device. Although plenty claim to, I have never seen a working gravity wheel. So I think you are safe from that angle :)
So don't allow these guys to distract you, knuckle down to get it working.
That's my thoughts anyway.
CC
@All,
Since Bill is claiming I have stolen TK's design, Re: developing idea's (http://www.overunity.com/12711/developing-ideas/msg339632/#msg339632)« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2012, 08:22:35 PM » Quote from: johnny874 on October 09, 2012, 12:36:58 PM (http://www.overunity.com/12711/developing-ideas/msg339589/#msg339589)>> More lies. TK did NOT steal your idea. His videos were up on youtube long before you posted anything. I think you took credit for his work as the dates prove. Just because you repeat this lie over and over does not make it any more true. <<
here is a quote from TK,
>> Re: Modified Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12647/modified-herons-fountain/msg334157/#msg334157)« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 03:08:22 PM » You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design, <<
It seems Bill is helping TK to try to take credit for my idea. Something I will make Stefan aware of. Come up with something else Bill.
@All,
May start my own web page to post my work on. Then if people have questions or would be interested in some type of partnership, then they could contact me.
TK is correct. I made my fountain, and created my topic after watching about 10 or more of his videos. My video was a replication and not my original idea. I gave full credit in my video along with links and a schematic that I used to make it. I also credited TK, not because we are best buddies, but because that is where I got the idea to make my project.
Once again, Jim does not tell the truth.
Bill
Bill,
Here is the first post in your thread. I don't see where anything you are claiming to have mentioned was posted.
>> Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg333934/#msg333934)« on: August 28, 2012, 09:22:21 PM » This past weekend I constructed a Heron's Fountain according to the attached diagram. I will post a video of it in operation when I get a chance. This is a really cool project and cost me nothing to build. It is amazing to see the water lifted higher than the starting point. More later...
Bill << @all, here is a link to youtube where many people have built a Heron's Fountain and a link to Wikipedia.org. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+heron%27s+fountain&oq=+heron%27s+fountain&gs_l=youtube.3..0j0i5.7937.7937.0.9657.1.1.0.0.0.0.106.106.0j1.1.0.echs..0.0...1ac.1.bWDmhbHxHI8 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+heron%27s+fountain&oq=+heron%27s+fountain&gs_l=youtube.3..0j0i5.7937.7937.0.9657.1.1.0.0.0.0.106.106.0j1.1.0.echs..0.0...1ac.1.bWDmhbHxHI8) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heron%27s_fountain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heron%27s_fountain)
edited to add; the link in Bill's post is to blogspot and not a video.
edited to add; the definition of jealous from M-W.com2: hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage My advantage is my schooling and willingness to learn. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jealous?show=0&t=1350057965 (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jealous?show=0&t=1350057965)
things bill and his friend have said;
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(http://www.overunity.com/Themes/default/images/post/xx.gif (http://www.overunity.com/Themes/default/images/post/xx.gif))Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334314/#msg334314)« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2012, 09:46:56 PM » TK and all:
I have old Johnny on ignore and can't see what he is posting...I am sure I am not missing much. Ignore is such a great feature. and this after TK posted this;Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334282/#msg334282)« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2012, 02:22:47 PM »Quote (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/15/post/quote/334282/last_msg/336289/)
Well, I was gonna wait until Bill posted his video of his fountain, but after that last set of drawings from johnny874 I feel rather obligated to point out that I published the video below on YouTube on August 25th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU) and if you watch his video, it is what else that was posted, from gadgetmall;Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334323/#msg334323)« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2012, 11:07:26 PM » Love it Bill . It's nice to see you and other friendlies doing some more research on stuff and Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334441/#msg334441)« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2012, 07:15:16 PM » Thanks Bill!
Here's the "extended version" with the pingpong ball chamber. It's a spacer, really, from the ideas given by Conradelektro and the wiki pages, and my own realisation that the fountain depends on the difference in levels between source and receiver reservoirs. The easiest way for me to add a spacer was just to put another jar in the stack, and have it function as an extended air conduit. The pingpong balls are there to reduce the active air volume in the extra vent space, so that it's not as "springy". The external plumbing of this version might make the operation clearer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3UGTyc36f4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3UGTyc36f4)
I think I'll put another spacer in the stack, just to see how high it will actually pump. end quote. nothing in common with what I designed. If you look at tinselfkoal's design, it is what Bill posted using 2 chambers. What I posted uses only one. A very significant difference. and again what tinselfkoala said about my design; Re: Modified Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12647/modified-herons-fountain/msg334157/#msg334157)« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 03:08:22 PM » You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design,end quote. In tinselfkoala's own words he did not think it was possible. Yet Bill says such statements verify his friend's claims that I stole their idea. And to repeat about Bill saying he is not tinselfkoala's friend, am quoting gadgetmall; Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334323/#msg334323)« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2012, 11:07:26 PM »Love it Bill . It's nice to see you and other friendlies doing some more research on stuff
CC,
In reality, Bessler is the only person who can prove he built a wheel. because he did not do so at that time, all that can be demonstrated is that the work he left allows a person to believe he did.
With what I have had to tolerate to work on his wheel, I could understand why no one has pursued it with much diligence.
I have had my schooling in Propulsion Enginnering, machining, design engineering, etc., etc. discounted as being meaningless.
Bessler did say it would take a discerning eye to understand his drawings, you might say the devil is in the details. With Bessler's work, it is understanding the details that allows for his engineering to be understood. But I have done one thing differently than what I believe everybody else has done. Instead of discussing what I know, I discussed what Bessler knew.
And with the builds I did, it helped me to understand what to look for in his drawings. Be it as it may, people prefer his words which he said he wrote for speculators.
But as I've said before, I am in the wrong place. trying to understand an obscure part of German History about a GRAVITY wheel someone built in a German forum that IS about using gravity to understand how an overunity invention might work is plain wrong. People whose work I have never seen is credible ebcause they are attacking me. I guess the mistake is all mine.
I shouldn't post my work when I believe what Bessler knew is like the Wright Bros. airplane, it was over everybody's heads because they went by what they knew. What the Wright Bros. did differently was to build a wind tunnel and tested wing designs. Such a simple thing really, testing idea's with a scale model before building the real thing.
Of course, my father worked for the Boeing Airplane Co. and did work in the Research and Devolopment department. Plus I worked there also and learned a lot about how Boeing tested ideas through destructive testing. I have worked for other companies that did destructive testing to ensure that the work being done was compliant with FAA standards.
But such experience is not considered credible in this forum. Only flaming someone is and with me, i think I am tired of it.
As AB Hammer siad, it is Bessler's wheel and anyone can build it. He is right about that but what he emant was that he could tell me what to do since i claimed to be working on Bessler's wheel. If he had a worth while idea, I would have thought differently but he really never took the time to learn something other than his armoring.
What AB hammer had to say about my concept of Bessler's wheel
>> Trevor
I did a quick modification of one of his pictures of how it will look. IMO
Now look at MT 66 to 69 and think of how much leverage not_me and what Bessler has in the MT's. The MT's have more leverage to move fluids. And this one will end up with to much weight below the 3 to 9 keel line and not enough to lift it over.<<
pg.4, Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:38 am
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=saw+lead+melting&start=75 (http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=saw+lead+melting&start=75)
What AB Hammer missed is that all the weights and all the levers create no over balance or under balance.
So curiousChris, I think the reason Bessler's wheel will never get built is a blow hard like Alan has to get credit for saying his lack of education allowed him to inderstand what people who went to school are to stupid to learn.
There are a few designs that could work that are not Bessler's and in the same thread I piosted where I made suggestions to Alan but as he said, his design ciould not be changed because it was better than working with someone and finding a solution.
Talk about ego !
p.s., the water could be kept at the 3 o'clock position if desired. The actuation of the levers would determine when they start exerting force on the pumps and how much force over what range of motion. Kind of like valve timing in a car. The cam has lift and duration and then the timing or firing of the spark plugs will determine before, at or after top dead center for firing. It all works together.
simply put CC, free energy comes from weighted levers falling as the wheel rotates. they can create more force than it requires to rotate the wheel.
edited to add; what no one with a computer bothered to do at besslerwheel dot com, rotate the drawing 90 degrees (2nd pic). myself, was dealing with severe medical issues which I still have :-( but as I have been told, this forum does not care about a person's health, only their ability to do what they are told.
3rd pic shows about how levers actually move.
Now we cant say this modified fountain you show here below is original. My version earlier of draining into the upper chamber and fountain pressure from the lower chamber is the same in concept. Your lower container is just not as low and virtually all in the same chamber of airspace.
So we take it one step further by making the upper and lower chamber and making them one. Posting yours along with it.
It even shortens the fountain tube travel upward. But now, which of the 4 straws(tubes) will the water rise up first? You have 3 on the left and 1 on the right. The air pressure built will be equal on all straws upward to the level of the water in the upper bowl.
I posted the reverse level fountain a bit ago. A drawing is one thing, showing it work is another.
Mags
@ab hammer,
haven't seen you build anything, your point is ? You have no work of your own to discuss.
@tk,
you and pirate88719 have been claiming for a while that I stole your idea. not possible. You nuilt the design of Heron's Fountain that pirate88719 posted in his thread.
The water supply is the longest tube and goes lower tnan the discharge tube. With my design, only 1 chamber with a barrier is necessary. 2 completely different designs.
Now we cant say this modified fountain you show here below is original. My version earlier of draining into the upper chamber and fountain pressure from the lower chamber is the same in concept. Your lower container is just not as low and virtually all in the same chamber of airspace.
So we take it one step further by making the upper and lower chamber and making them one. Posting yours along with it.
It even shortens the fountain tube travel upward. But now, which of the 4 straws(tubes) will the water rise up first? You have 3 on the left and 1 on the right. The air pressure built will be equal on all straws upward to the level of the water in the upper bowl.
I posted the reverse level fountain a bit ago. A drawing is one thing, showing it work is another.
Mags
show your post when making claims magluvin.
TK-luvin,
Here is a side by side picture of what you, pirate88719 and tinselkoala came up with, what you say is it.
The tubes are lettered so anyone can understand that the tallest tube is the same diameter as the other tubes and is the fill tube
which water is poured into.
In my 'earlier' pic to the left you have posted above named Herons Fountain, look at the yellow straw. It goes from the bottom container to the area above the top drain bowl. It is the fountain tube. ;) Clearly
It is the same as your redraw of combined beakers in the 'Comparison' pic
Just because my lower container is lower doesnt mean that it is a different concept.
So in your 'comparison' pic these are one and the same except for your lower container is a bit higher.
So my pic yesterday where the 2 containers are 1 and the water level is the same is a step further than my earlier pic and even your latest.
Take it. Keep it. Its yours. Frikin build it already. But if you want to claim it is original to you, then who is stealing whos idea? ;) Can you show a post that is earlier than August 29 that shows a depiction of the fountain sourcing from the bottom? If so, then it is your original idea.
If you would just turn off the computer for a few hours, it would be done weeks ago. ;)
Mags
Mags,
Interesting, close but NOT the same. This is what you guys were saying >> and there may be some advantage to having this be a wide shallow container instead of a tall bottle; at least I think I've seen some drawings to this effect <<
Shallower and wider containers. I knew the pressure was caused by the static head in the tube. None of you guys ever caught on to that. And where I DID TRY working with you guys, read the post, I got REJECTED. And do notice I say a larger diameter TUBE. It is in the drawing I did which I'm attaching. And notice, 1 reservoir is used where everyone else's design requires 2.
Re: Heron's Fountain (http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg334273/#msg334273)« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM » here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.
edited to rephrase post but sorry mags, tried working with you guys like I have been willing to work with anyone else.
It is a different concept. Any Heron's Fountain will be similar. Edited my post to go to the design your claiming is yours.
It uses one lower chamber with a barrier. Your design requires 2.
I guess this is why tk wanted me to explain pressure heads and how they work. Then once you guys understood that I understood these things, then YOU GUYS wanted it.
Bill and tk say it's tk's idea that he built on Bill's design, they never mentioned you or your drawing.
But all I've been is harassed for working on idea's.