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Offline johnny874

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2012, 04:14:21 PM »
  @CuriousChris,
 There are a few critics that silence everybody else. It seems they believe their aggressive behavior is warranted as they're making someone out to be a fraud unless it's proven to them.
 But as Bessler's own critic said, Bessler's wheel is so simple that a child could build it.
 If I were to show a working wheel, the self described experts would say I confused them when trying to explain it, the fault would be all mine.
 I think the real issue is why I would be criticized for posting math and builds while no one can refute my work based on them having tried a basic test to better understand tthe basic principle that could allow for free energy. and we are talking about something that would cost under $5 to try.
 ab hammer always said it was Bessler's wheel and anyone can build it. They can if they're willing to do the work and haven't met someone else who is willing to in this forum.

edited to add; getting an idea to work within the frame work of a wheel increases the difficulty level quite a bit. what helps me is that I have some schooling in design engineering and understand how loads and stress move within a system. still, there is nothing easy about yet have been soundly criticized for reviewing my own designs so I can better understand them and hopefully will be able to improve the design of the wheel I am building as a result of a willigness to do my home work.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2012, 04:14:21 PM »

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2012, 06:20:24 PM »
  what I find funny is when webby1 offered to send his set up to tinselkoala, tk's reply was " golly, I don't know if I could be trusted with it". not an exact quote but he was making fun of Tom.
 if anyone tried the zed, all they need to do is have a weigbt compress an outer chamber and have a weight lifted by the middle chamber/cylinder with two extra chambers if they want. they'll see tne weight being lifted has the same force as the weight creating the input pressure.
 what mignt be missed is this, work is mass times distance while force is mass times velocity.
 flow rate of a compressed fluid is determined by volume times velocity, this what would determine the amount of force it has that can be converted into electricty by powering a hycro~generator. I think that is what mrwayne has over looked. basically compressed fluids have a lower velocity.
And as I told him is that steam turnines use jets to convert the high pressure low velocity potential into a low pressure high velocity energy source. he and his engineers refute this but it is them that are wrong.
 of course, I think he is a fraud and is only in here hoping someone will give him a solution that he can claim as what he supposecly spent $40,000 patenting.
 still, even using jets would only think his system would break even on it's energy output compared to it's energy consumption.

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2012, 06:40:13 PM »
  what I find funny is when webby1 offered to send his set up to tinselkoala, tk's reply was " golly, I don't know if I could be trusted with it". not an exact quote but he was making fun of Tom.
 if anyone tried the zed, all they need to do is have a weigbt compress an outer chamber and have a weight lifted by the middle chamber/cylinder with two extra chambers if they want. they'll see tne weight being lifted has the same force as the weight creating the input pressure.
 what mignt be missed is this, work is mass times distance while force is mass times velocity.
 flow rate of a compressed fluid is determined by volume times velocity, this what would determine the amount of force it has that can be converted into electricty by powering a hycro~generator. I think that is what mrwayne has over looked. basically compressed fluids have a lower velocity.
And as I told him is that steam turnines use jets to convert the high pressure low velocity potential into a low pressure high velocity energy source. he and his engineers refute this but it is them that are wrong.
 of course, I think he is a fraud and is only in here hoping someone will give him a solution that he can claim as what he supposecly spent $40,000 patenting.
 still, even using jets would only think his system would break even on it's energy output compared to it's energy consumption.

Jim:

Maybe if you did not tell so many blatant lies, folks might actually believe you once in a while.  Do I need to post a recap of some of them?

Bill

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Re: developing idea's
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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2012, 07:08:48 PM »
  what I find funny is when webby1 offered to send his set up to tinselkoala, tk's reply was " golly, I don't know if I could be trusted with it". not an exact quote but he was making fun of Tom.
 

You are a liar, plain and simple. I said no such thing, exact or not, and I have never made fun of Tom. You make these blatant lying assertions without the slightest shred of evidence to back up your mendacious claims.

Not only that but you have also lied many times about me. Every time you mention my name I will remind you and everyone else that you are a liar, you have libelled me and made false claims and accusations about me.

Go ahead and lie all you like about your useless wasted "work" with Bessler wheels, Jimbo. Blame everybody else for why you can't do anything useful. But leave my name out of your lying fantasies.

What I find funny is that Bessler's wheel is so simple a child could build it... but you cannot.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2012, 07:41:26 PM »
You are a liar, plain and simple. I said no such thing, exact or not, and I have never made fun of Tom. You make these blatant lying assertions without the slightest shred of evidence to back up your mendacious claims.

Not only that but you have also lied many times about me. Every time you mention my name I will remind you and everyone else that you are a liar, you have libelled me and made false claims and accusations about me.

Go ahead and lie all you like about your useless wasted "work" with Bessler wheels, Jimbo. Blame everybody else for why you can't do anything useful. But leave my name out of your lying fantasies.

What I find funny is that Bessler's wheel is so simple a child could build it... but you cannot.

  You need to remember your own posts tinselfkoala,

>>  Reply #1545
@Webby... thanks for your kind offer, but please don't consider sending me anything you've built. I can't handle that kind of responsibility! Golly, what if the world's only portable OU device gets dropped by UPS or something... <<

http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg332957/#msg332957

 @CuriousChris, to some people, they're just here to entertain themselves.
The work I have accomplished is because I have not had to put up with bored people like TK.

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Re: developing idea's
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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2012, 07:59:12 PM »
  Chris,
 I have posted links before to some basic work I have done, zzzzzzzz.
 Still, to understand Bessler's drawings, understanding basic concepts in engineering is essential. After all, it is a mechanical wheel that I falsely claim uses hydraulic and pneumatic principles as a part of it's dynamic system of operation.
 Of course, some people have said it's not mechanical, but if you look at Bessler's drawings, mechanics and gravity seems to be what his drawings are about. It's just that with a basic pump like the attached video's, how would you modify them so they could work within the concept of a wheel ?
 For me, I think that's when Bessler's work comes "alive". By the way, the last video shows the effects of a 100% over balance that can only be achieved by using water. If 8 weights were used, since they are all in balance with each other, acceleration or speed of rotation would probably be about the same. If the wheel were 40 inches in diameter instead of the 20 shown, it would probably have about the same velocity but would have 1/2 the rpm because of the increase in the circumference of the wheel.
 And if you can understand these things, then you would probably find Bessler's drawings interesting because they explain some of what he wrote. And that would help in building an authentic Bessler type wheel.
 One quote of Bessler's from his Poetica Apolgetica,
http://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html
 >> The things we eat run through every limb and sinue of our bodies.                    <<
 A reference to our blood stream and I think it is in Mt 27 where he shows a heart shaped weight.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Mt_027.gif
 And channel E is where a weight "rolls". The pumps would work in a rolling type motion because they would match the curve of the wheel. Still, it does get tiring being criticized for working on Bessler's wheel in the gravity section of an overunty forum which is German owned. It would seem this would be the place to work on an obscure part of German history, like I said, this seems like it should be the place but have usually been told I am in the wrong place.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2012, 11:59:53 PM »
@pirate88719,
I showed your friends post. ever since he has posted in this part of the forum, I have been nothing but harassed by thr two of you.
like when you posted you like it where smart people like him show me where I wrong when all he did  was repost what I had already posted. and what did I do to piss the two of you off ? I posted an idea that was gravity powered.

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2012, 12:41:48 AM »
@pirate88719,
I showed your friends post. ever since he has posted in this part of the forum, I have been nothing but harassed by thr two of you.
like when you posted you like it where smart people like him show me where I wrong when all he did  was repost what I had already posted. and what did I do to piss the two of you off ? I posted an idea that was gravity powered.

WTF?

Jim, or Johnny or BA Hammer or whatever you are going by these days.......my post had NOTHING to do with you...ok?  TK is NOT my friend....I have never met him or spoke with him or pm'd him.  I do have a lot of respect for the work he has done here and also the fact that he freely shares his work is great also.  I wish I had the chance to meet TK and become friends....but I have no idea where here lives.

The stuff you have posted have been proven lies....over and over.  You have claimed that Stefan, the owner of this forum, has admitted to you in a private e-mail that he does not think that overunity is possible.  But, you can't seem to reproduce this famous pm.  You claim that you have 5 Bessler designs that work but yet you can't seem to make even one of them?  Even though a child can do it? (your words)

Some guy named Allan is stopping you from making anything?  Now TK is stopping you?  And now I am somehow doing this?

If somehow you can stop your lies....you may actually have something to contribute here.  You posit some interesting ideas and theories....but...you never try them out or, when someone else does...you claim they stole it from you. (Like that poor guy named Allan)

TK and I have had our differences on here but, I will always stand up for him for sharing his knowledge, and helping to debunk some bs design that someone is selling on the net.  I have learned from him and I am grateful.

Clean up your act and get with the program and build something that works....or not.  At least you tried....folks will respect that.  Telling us you have all of these OU designs that work, but you won't share or build them to prove that they do is stupid.

Bill

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2012, 01:17:32 AM »
Pirate88179 "Telling us you have all of these OU designs that work, but you won't share or build them to prove that they do is stupid."

Just a new guy here but, sorry johnny874, I really have to agree with Pirate88179. I just got done with "My Invention" where there was no invention, just a variation on the Milkovic arrangement, and now this.... Well, at least this one was only two pages instead of ten!

"Silence is better than unmeaning words" - Pythagoras

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2012, 03:06:55 AM »
bill,
like ab hammer and tk both say, my medical problems don't matter. considering I'm off work because of them, not sure where they went to medical school.

 @Aem, milkovic's pendulum is not perpetual. the improvement that would allow for it to work perpetually would make it my invention. also have been told in this forum that people should refrain from patenting ANY invention. if tbey are that charitable, then donating patent rights to charity should be something they're willing to do to show tbey're about something other than looking for a free energy.

@bill, have been working on the mechanics but bs can be distracting. it is like the best way I can think of to seal a tube is by setting the two sides of tbe tube into the outer part of the wheel. not an easy thing to do.
so all I can do for now is work on construction techniques and better linkage for pumps and levers.
will need to be back at work so I can rent shop space again. but will be worth it to demonstrate that it is something Bessler could have built with the materials he had available back then.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2012, 03:19:58 AM »
So now I'm UPS, in Jimpbo's paranoid distorted reality.  I say I don't want the responsibility of having UPS deliver a delicate device to me, and this becomes "I can't be trusted" in Jimpbo-speak.

I see.

Jim, you're a liar, and crazy to boot. You see what you want to see, not what is really there, mister Folger's Instant Cubic Inches of Surface Area.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2012, 03:32:53 AM »
bill,
like ab hammer and tk both say, my medical problems don't matter. considering I'm off work because of them, not sure where they went to medical school.
Translation: Feel sorry for him, he can't work, he has medical problems that prevent him from saving the world with a Bessler wheel.
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 @Aem, milkovic's pendulum is not perpetual. the improvement that would allow for it to work perpetually would make it my invention. also have been told in this forum that people should refrain from patenting ANY invention. if tbey are that charitable, then donating patent rights to charity should be something they're willing to do to show tbey're about something other than looking for a free energy.
Translation: There is nothing there, no invention, no patent, just words and unfulfilled promises, and it's everyone else's fault but Jimbo's that he cannot work and show Milkovic how to make his pendulum perpetual.

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@bill, have been working on the mechanics but bs can be distracting. it is like the best way I can think of to seal a tube is by setting the two sides of tbe tube into the outer part of the wheel. not an easy thing to do.
so all I can do for now is work on construction techniques and better linkage for pumps and levers.
Translation: Other people are distracting him from working with their bs.
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will need to be back at work so I can rent shop space again. but will be worth it to demonstrate that it is something Bessler could have built with the materials he had available back then.
If only he could work, then he could afford to rent a shop so he could prove to the world that Bessler could have built a wheel. If only.

Post after post, thread after thread. "If Only" people would just get out of his way and stop holding him back, he'd show us all, with a dozen different working Bessler wheels, a perpetual water pump, the answer to Milcovic's problem, and who knows what else. So get back, Skeptics, Jimpbo is gonna save the world.... just as soon as he can rent a shop space again.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2012, 04:36:10 AM »
tk, when u post saying I blew it because I lose all rights to an invention even though I posted a link to the USPTO stating other wise tells me u only play games.
this forum in reality is a skeptics forum because the people with no verifable schooling in mechanical engineering are tbe resident experts.
 after all tk, haven't seen you discuss engineering yet, a topic ab hammer avoided as well. seems like him, ur willing to rip someone off by trying to discredit them.
and bill, ur the person who told me about ur dad, could b y u wouldnt mind seeing me get screwed by one of ur friends.
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bill, can u show me the rule that says I have to build?havent seen u, tk or ab hammer build a wheel. havent had much of an example to follow.

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2012, 04:49:56 AM »
tk, when u post saying I blew it because I lose all rights to an invention even though I posted a link to the USPTO stating other wise tells me u only play games.
this forum in reality is a skeptics forum because the people with no verifable schooling in mechanical engineering are tbe resident experts.
 after all tk, haven't seen you discuss engineering yet, a topic ab hammer avoided as well. seems like him, ur willing to rip someone off by trying to discredit them.
and bill, ur the person who told me about ur dad, could b y u wouldnt mind seeing me get screwed by one of ur friends.
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bill, can u show me the rule that says I have to build?havent seen u, tk or ab hammer build a wheel. havent had much of an example to follow.

What the hell are you talking about?

Bill

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2012, 04:56:53 AM »
  @all,
 to paraphrase Bessler, words are for speculators and drawings are for engineers.
 and as I've often been told, building in haste would be a waste of time because I would have put little thought into my work.
 and with this, I will be doing everything myself. and I think that would be where no one has the right to be critical of me or how I go about learning how best to build it and get it to work.

 

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