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Offline Magluvin

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2012, 11:42:25 PM »
  show your post when making claims magluvin.

Here it is. The upper water dish empties into the middle chamber abd pushes water from the bottom.

http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg333944/#msg333944

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2012, 12:42:09 AM »
  Mags,
   Interesting, close but NOT the same. This is what you guys were saying  >>  and there may be some advantage to having this be a wide shallow container instead of a tall bottle; at least I think I've seen some drawings to this effect  <<
 Shallower and wider containers. I knew the pressure was caused by the static head in the tube. None of you guys ever caught on to that.  And where I DID TRY working with you guys, read the post, I got REJECTED.  And do notice I say a larger diameter TUBE. It is in the drawing I did which I'm attaching. And notice, 1 reservoir is used where everyone else's design requires 2.
 
Re: Heron's Fountain« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM »   here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
 Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
 If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
 The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.   
 
edited to rephrase post but sorry mags, tried working with you guys like I have been willing to work with anyone else.
 

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2012, 01:09:38 AM »

  TK-luvin,
 Here is a side by side picture of what you, pirate88719 and tinselkoala came up with, what you say is it.
The tubes are lettered so anyone can understand that the tallest tube is the same diameter as the other tubes and is the fill tube
which water is poured into.
 

In my 'earlier' pic to the left you have posted above named Herons Fountain, look at the yellow straw. It goes from the bottom container to the area above the top drain bowl. It is the fountain tube.  ;) Clearly

It is the same as your redraw of combined beakers in the 'Comparison' pic

Just because my lower container is lower doesnt mean that it is a different concept.

So in your 'comparison' pic these are one and the same except for  your lower container is a bit higher.

So my pic yesterday where the 2 containers are 1 and the water level is the same is a step further than my earlier pic and even your latest.

Take it. Keep it. Its yours.  Frikin build it already.   But if you want to claim it is original to you, then who is stealing whos idea?  ;) Can you show a post that is earlier than August 29 that shows a depiction of the fountain sourcing from the bottom? If so, then it is your original idea.

If you would just turn off the computer for a few hours, it would be done weeks ago.  ;)

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2012, 01:16:25 AM »
In my 'earlier' pic to the left you have posted above named Herons Fountain, look at the yellow straw. It goes from the bottom container to the area above the top drain bowl. It is the fountain tube.  ;) Clearly

It is the same as your redraw of combined beakers in the 'Comparison' pic

Just because my lower container is lower doesnt mean that it is a different concept.

So in your 'comparison' pic these are one and the same except for  your lower container is a bit higher.

So my pic yesterday where the 2 containers are 1 and the water level is the same is a step further than my earlier pic and even your latest.

Take it. Keep it. Its yours.  Frikin build it already.   But if you want to claim it is original to you, then who is stealing whos idea?  ;) Can you show a post that is earlier than August 29 that shows a depiction of the fountain sourcing from the bottom? If so, then it is your original idea.

If you would just turn off the computer for a few hours, it would be done weeks ago.  ;)

Mags

  It is a different concept. Any Heron's Fountain will be similar. Edited my post to go to the design your claiming is yours.
 It uses one lower chamber with a barrier. Your design requires 2.  Also, there is no way your up tube could pump water, there is nothing above it that could generate sufficient pressure. I guess that's why you didn't build it, you knew it wouldn't work.
 With what I posted, the fill tube itself is shorter and larger in diameter to hold more water. None of you guys have posted anything that shows you understand prssure heads. I guess this is why tk wanted me to explain pressure heads and how they work. Then once you guys understood that I understood these things, then YOU GUYS wanted it.
 It doesn't work that way.
 

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2012, 01:17:01 AM »
  Mags,
   Interesting, close but NOT the same. This is what you guys were saying  >>  and there may be some advantage to having this be a wide shallow container instead of a tall bottle; at least I think I've seen some drawings to this effect  <<
 Shallower and wider containers. I knew the pressure was caused by the static head in the tube. None of you guys ever caught on to that.  And where I DID TRY working with you guys, read the post, I got REJECTED.  And do notice I say a larger diameter TUBE. It is in the drawing I did which I'm attaching. And notice, 1 reservoir is used where everyone else's design requires 2.
 
Re: Heron's Fountain« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM »   here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
 Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
 If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
 The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.   
 
edited to rephrase post but sorry mags, tried working with you guys like I have been willing to work with anyone else.
 

Having wider containers with water level at same height still produces the same psi anywhere at the bottom of a container wide or thin. Wider just means more water for longer fountain time.

Sorry your aug 31 doesnt beat my aug 29.  ;)

Like I said, just build it. Ive seen you put together that one demonstration that I liked.

This one is easy. ;)

Mags

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2012, 01:22:54 AM »

  It is a different concept. Any Heron's Fountain will be similar. Edited my post to go to the design your claiming is yours.
 It uses one lower chamber with a barrier. Your design requires 2.

Not really. My edit of your drawing yesterday is essentially one lower container( the 2 beakers connected so the water volume is one. Not 2 containers.  My earlier version(aug 29) didnt have or show a valve or tube to let the upper container drain into the lower to recycle, but I did mention that getting the upper container water to the lower is simple.
 ;)

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2012, 01:41:41 AM »
One more thing.  In your drawing, your have 3 straws on the left and 1 on the right.

I would go for just a larger diameter straw or tube on the left instead of 3 similar to the one on the right. More square area of downward force in a larger diameter tube(straw) than the smaller(thinner) on the right.   ;)


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« Last Edit: October 16, 2012, 04:38:22 AM by Magluvin »

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2012, 02:12:39 AM »
  mags,
 you should do a search to find out one of tbe reasons I give for donating patent rights.
 I didn't see your drawing until you mace me aware of it, otherwise I might have made a few modifications to it.
 But all I've been is harassed for working on idea's.
 I'm not gong to work on anything until I can return to work and then it will be Bessler's wheel if anything.
 And if you read the crap I've put up with over this, Bill and tk say it's tk's idea that he built on Bill's design, they never mentioned you or your drawing.
 What you came up with is very close to what might work if it's possible.
 Heron has already shown that pressure heads can work independently other wise there would be no fountain.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #83 on: October 16, 2012, 04:12:55 AM »
 SHOW YOUR POSTS WHEN MAKING CLAIMS, JIMPBO JOHNNY.

You again make false claims concerning me, without support.
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I guess this is why tk wanted me to explain pressure heads and how they work. Then once you guys understood that I understood these things, then YOU GUYS wanted it.


That's a lie.
I never "asked you to explain pressure heads and how they work." YOU are the one who thinks surface area can be measured in "CUBIC INCHES", and it is your garbled interpretation of my objection to that stupid statement of yours, that gave you the idea that I need, or want, the likes of YOU to explain anything concerning pressure to me, since you clearly are FOS on the matter. Just as you are on the matter of leverage, moments, arms, torques, and trigonometry.

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Bill and tk say it's tk's idea that he built on Bill's design, they never mentioned you or your drawing.

Another lie or distortion. Bill and I both initially built, and credited, the same design from Make magazine. He built his a week or so AFTER I built and posted mine, as has been explained to you SEVERAL TIMES, you thick headed fool. And I have always credited HERON OF ALEXANDRIA for his fountain. My only idea, which I came up with a week before you even mentioned anything about this topic, was to put a MrWayne multichamber floating ZED into the Heron's Fountain. THIS INDEED IS MY IDEA AND MINE ALONE. And the timeline proves it, as anyone who can actually read and look at a calendar can see for themselves. You cannot provide any evidence otherwise.

And why should we mention Mag's drawing..... since it was made and posted WELL AFTER I did the work which you are talking about?

You are still lying about this whole thing, Jimbpo. Sit down with a calendar and compare the dates of my YT videos and the posts and drawings that you are talking about. Anybody who does this can see that you are all screwed up. You really need to get your meds adjusted or something because you apparently are losing contact with reality.

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But all I've been is harassed for working on idea's.


Not only is that bad grammar, but it also is another lie. You  have been "harassed" for nothing. You have been criticised and corrected, for YOUR HARASSMENT OF ME and others by your constant lying and flaming. You have been criticised strongly for NOT WORKING ON YOUR IDEAS.

As if you actually had any ideas to work on. Or the ability actually to work on them if you had.

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« Reply #84 on: October 16, 2012, 07:16:24 AM »
This is so sad.

Now Jim is claiming Mags and TK stole his ideas.  He also claims TK built my idea.....what?  I gave full credit to Make and to TK for the inspiration for making a simple heron's fountain.

It is posted both here and on Youtube.  Jim, stop lying about things so easily checked out....I told you many times now.You are the one flaming us, we are simply defending ourselves from your stupid lies.  Poor AB Hammer has to also defend himself against your lies.

Stefan, now has to defend himself against your lies.  You claim he pm'd you and said he does not believe O.U. is even possible, yet, you can not produce that pm.  Do I need to repost where you have claimed that happened?  How brazen to claim such an easily checked out lie against the owner of this forum.  We all KNOW that Stefan never said that.  Stefan knows that he never said that....yet, you persist in claiming it is true.  So, when you get banned, again, you will think it is because you have such great ideas that we can not comprehend when in fact, it will be because you lie.

Jim, you lie.

Jim, you are one that does not tell the truth.

Jim, you post things that are not true.

Jim, you lie.  (Did I mention that?)

Jim, you flame everyone and then, when we respond, you complain.

Jim, you have never built anything that works, nor shared anything of value....and this is somehow our fault?

Jim, I hope you get the crap sued out of you after you are banned from here for your 5th time.

Please read some books on engineering and also, read some on how to get along with your fellow man.

Also learn the English language and PLEASE learn how to type.

Bill



 

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