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gotoluc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2010, 04:11:16 AM »
Here it is as a jpg and pdf
Let me know if it is ok.
Harry

Excellent work Harry ;)

Thank you very much for the great job :)

I'm looking it over and will let you know of any add ons or changes.

Luc

gotoluc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2010, 04:17:33 AM »
Okay Harry,

here is the add on:

Add (With magnet aprox. 1/8" air gap) and (With magnet aprox. 1/16" air gap) See attached

And like Mags says, both coil sides start and end the same way. This maybe the most important point as so far this is the only coil that works.

Thanks

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2010, 05:37:59 AM »
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« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 04:26:56 PM by mrock »

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2010, 05:39:52 AM »
Okay Harry,

here is the add on:

Add (With magnet aprox. 1/8" air gap) and (With magnet aprox. 1/16" air gap) See attached

And like Mags says, both coil sides start and end the same way. This maybe the most important point as so far this is the only coil that works.

Thanks

Luc

And the 24 mm should be .24 mm? (actually .255 including dielectric layer?).

@Luc, could you maybe find out the fabric/type of the core, and maybe give a 2 digit value for the coil resistance e.g: 6.9x Ohm.

It's a very clean and simple circuit !

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2010, 06:55:06 AM »
@Luc,

You mention in the video that while the Cap is charging, you constantly need to re-adjust the frequency of the generator slightly. That means the Cap is influencing the coil behavior... Is there a way to collect the energy in the Cap, but exclude the cap from the from the rest of the circuit? Or just try to place the cap (or another one) at a different place in the circuit and by such avoid any possible leaking at all ?  Maybe a simple diode could allow a one way only energy direction to the Cap.

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Magluvin

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2010, 12:54:53 PM »
Alright fellers
I did a quick coil wind on the ferrite transformer.
Some things I need to do is revise my 556 to separate freq and pulse width. Im going to set it up on a solder bread board.
My setup was a bit different as I used 1 12v bat for the timer and drive. I have a 5600 uf 50v cap at the drive branch of the 12v bat. Im using a 100ohm res to deliver the 12v to the cap. This allows me to see more resolution the draw on the cap is as I fiddle, instead of watching for the least draw from the batt, again, as I fiddle, and when it goes up above the 12v bat, then remove the resistor and she goes. Its a good feeling to see it.
 Above 15v. And for a 5600uf, is was a good rise. It didnt take long to fiddle it. =] And it was an audible freq above 10k.
I am going to clear out the work tables and get this 556 straight, wind a couple coils that I can interchange on the core and do a couple vids.  I looked up some sites that have some sweet 2 piece cores. Makes winding a breeze, and the outer core legs can be wound for pickups for some simple variety.

Luc  the strange inductance reading may be to the opposing coils or how they are oppositely wound.
And it doesnt seem to be a requirement to wind the coil that way. But those should be studied all the same to narrow things down. If you had not wound it that way, who knows how long it would have been before someone did. ;]

Mags

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2010, 01:04:37 PM »
I am a layman when it comes to this sort of thing, so please don't take my remark the wrong way. But this is not very impressive, not when you have a signal generator that is hooked to the mains as part of the circuit. That is even worse than when you had a pulsing circuit run by a 9v battery.

If you cannot or will not take the output and run it into the input, so that you have closed the loop, the only thing I can think of is that the 9v battery, or the mains, is powering the device.

Not one free energy demonstrator ever tries to close the loop - there is always a reason not to. If you really believe you have an anomaly, you should try to close the loop.

Otherwise, all you are doing, it looks like, is broadcasting radio waves all over the place and indirectly charging the capacitors from them, with the power ultimately coming from the mains or the 9v battery, depending on whether you are using the signal generator or the pulse circuit.

Magluvin

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2010, 01:38:07 PM »
canam
well this project is relatively new. Things are still being questioned by everyone. Believe it or not, some do try to close the loop but in most cases we fiddle and try again.
The timer circuits actually use a bit of power. It seems to be a barrier here for now. Or until the output gets better, and its only been a few days.

But I can tell ya, when you take the battery off of that cap and that oscillator coil just keeps on a singin, you get a chill down your back.  =]
Not all that play with this stuff are as you claim. So get some wire and start makin some coils.   =]

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2010, 01:39:46 PM »
Correction 2 posts above, the resistor sending the 12v to the cap is 560 ohm.  =]

Magsâ™ 

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2010, 03:38:12 PM »
Okay Harry,

here is the add on:

Add (With magnet aprox. 1/8" air gap) and (With magnet aprox. 1/16" air gap) See attached

And like Mags says, both coil sides start and end the same way. This maybe the most important point as so far this is the only coil that works.

Thanks

Luc

Hi Luc,

To clarify the two coils winding details even better, let me say:

The start of the left hand side coil is at the 11:30 clock position and its end is at 6:30 ,ok?
The start of the right hand side coil is at the 5:30 clock position and its end is at 12:30 ,ok?

AND both coils start by going UNDER the core first, ok?  (AS shown by you and by HarryV too.) 

HOWEVER on the schematic made by member mrock (Reply #92) the start of left hand side coil is drawn as going OVER the core first, not UNDER the core.

WHICH IS CORRECT?

Thanks, Gyula

gotoluc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2010, 03:46:05 PM »
Edited & Compacted

Thank you mrock for making the changes.

Luc

And the 24 mm should be .24 mm? (actually .255 including dielectric layer?)

NextGen67

Yes NextGen67, you are right! 

@mrock can you change it to 0.25mm instead of the 24mm

Thanks

Luc

mscoffman

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2010, 03:46:57 PM »
To whom ever it may interest. I received the below message by
YouTube PM from user: energytruth's who I believe is OU user:
PaulLowrance

Is this him?...  if so, what's up with him ::)

Luc


Take it to University
A quick easy way to tell a faker is they refuse to take it to University or
someplace and all they do is chant to theme, "Please build it. Just build it.
Please build it!" So far you've encouraged people to build it, but have made
no mention to you taking it to a University or anyplace to have it verified by
professionals. If you're a faker to distract from the Steorn replications, you'll
be caught one day. Promise You! There are methods you can't even begin to
imagine. Getting compensated to lie and distract the public is against the LAW.

@gotoluc

If you want, you can go to his blog and ask him what he means.
He is doing some very advanced technical stuff himself.

http://globalfreeenergy.info/

I'll tell you, I expect he'll deny he sent this. Mainly cause it makes
no sense. ;). He seems to be a very smart guy but he has said some
emotional driven things in the past. He also seems to have a relatively
intense adverse hacker following that damages his web site etc.
And they are taking stuff he said previously and broadcasting it...So
please, if you will, don't add to it.

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gotoluc; it's important that you don't listen to adverse things sent in
the way of the above message.  You are contributing greatly to the
general knowledge level with your videos of hands-on experiments
...Force anyone else of them come here and be reasonable!

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By the way, let those who want to patent motors with no outputs
do that all they want...they are the ones that are their wasting
time. Who first uses scientific and engineering principles?

:S:MarkSCoffman

gotoluc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2010, 03:56:38 PM »
@Luc,

You mention in the video that while the Cap is charging, you constantly need to re-adjust the frequency of the generator slightly. That means the Cap is influencing the coil behavior... Is there a way to collect the energy in the Cap, but exclude the cap from the from the rest of the circuit? Or just try to place the cap (or another one) at a different place in the circuit and by such avoid any possible leaking at all ?  Maybe a simple diode could allow a one way only energy direction to the Cap.

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If a variable resistance is added on the cap bank and the resistance raised to the point where the voltage does not climb or go down then no adjustments would be needed.

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #103 on: March 18, 2010, 04:05:23 PM »
Hi everyone,

I took some time off today to do some more experiments as I can't stop thinking about this setup and I'm sure that goes for many of you.

I made 2 new video's to which I hope will answer some questions and help understand the effect.

Sorry I can't answer individual questions. I rather use the limited time I have to continue experimenting and posting videos that will hopefully cover everything one would need to make a successful replication.

@Gyula, can you please explain how the 3vpp measured gate leak between the source and drain is capable of keeping the circuit running NOW at 30vdc, 57KHz with 50% duty cycle without using any current and maintaining 1.90vdc on the pickup coil with 49,850 Ohm load. Thank you for your help and time

Test 5 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhrYzBld74w

Test 6 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UflGpzijWIA

Luc

Hi gotoluc,
In searching for explanations, there could be another remote possibility, may I suggest the following very simple test?
Remove the probes of the two mutlimeters that continuously monitor the voltage and current of the capacitor(s).
And then, only measure the voltage/current momentarily at some time intervals eg every 10 or more  minutes to see if the voltage still rises.

IIRC There was another thread, I think Ossie’s motor, or orbo replications, where it appeared that a trickle current from the continuously hooked up voltmeter was back charging the source battery…

Btw what are the batteries used in those two meters? Are they 9V a piece?

Great work and thought process on your setup
Thanks for posting.
Mike

gotoluc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2010, 04:06:30 PM »
Hi Luc,

To clarify the two coils winding details even better, let me say:

The start of the left hand side coil is at the 11:30 clock position and its end is at 6:30 ,ok?
The start of the right hand side coil is at the 5:30 clock position and its end is at 12:30 ,ok?

AND both coils start by going UNDER the core first, ok?  (AS shown by you and by HarryV too.) 

HOWEVER on the schematic made by member mrock (Reply #92) the start of left hand side coil is drawn as going OVER the core first, not UNDER the core.

WHICH IS CORRECT?

Thanks, Gyula

Hi Gyula,

the changes made by mrock are correct! as I asked for these changes. Please see this post as this maybe important until proven otherwise: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8892.msg233097#msg233097

Luc