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gyulasun

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2010, 01:01:28 AM »
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@Gyula, can you please explain how the 3vpp measured gate leak between the source and drain is capable of keeping the circuit running NOW at 30vdc, 57KHz with 50% duty cycle without using any current and maintaining 1.90vdc on the pickup coil with 49,850 Ohm load. Thank you for your help and time

Test 5 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhrYzBld74w

Test 6 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UflGpzijWIA

Luc

Hi Luc,

I try to explain...

The drain source channel of the MOSFET is practically a short circuit for the ON time (actually the RDS value of the IRF640, data sheet), the ON time now means half wave duration (earlier you used 18-20% or so duty cycle, this meant less ON time, more OFF time).

The drain source channel of the MOSFET is very high resistance for the OFF time, and both the output capacitance of the MOSFET and the body diode is in parallel with the drain source, the OFF time means the other half wave duration of the full pulse time. Now the output capacitance is about a few ten to a few hundred pF only, because the drain source voltage is much higher than earlier, up to 30V.
I still think the resonant tank LC circuit is formed by the output capacitance of the FET and from the 221mH (magnet-tuned) toroidal coil.

The FET as a switch pumps energy into the tank circuit from your generator and you have to consider not only the 3V peak to peak voltage but the current spikes shown in your earlier videos as flat lines between the spikes.

I think the input energy comes from these two: the 3Vpp  and the spikes.  The flat line between the spikes is explainable from the fact that the input is a square-wave: suddenly appears across the coil then its amplitude remains more or less constant, this means no or a very little flux change, then the square wave returns to zero, this also causes a flux change in the core again, current spike appears again.

So to estimate the real input power to the tank somehow those current spikes should be studied, I believe these maintain the voltage in the caps.
Resonant LC circuits have voltage 'amplification' properties, this depends on the loaded Q factor too.  In you circuit this is modified a little, the normal Q times multiplier is not fully valid, due to the half wave rectification inside the tank.

If I can, I will address some unanswered questions tomorrow.

Thanks,  Gyula

skywatcher

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2010, 01:06:25 AM »
Hi all,

please find attached circuit. If someone can clean it up and make it look good that would be great.

Thanks

Luc

Thanks for posting the diagram. This helps a lot.   :)

One question: you write that the inductance is 1.04 mH. Is this correct ?  Or did you mean 1.04 H ?

If the direction of winding is exactly as shown in the diagram, the two half-coils would generate opposing magnetic flux, and then the inductance would be theoretically 0.0 mH, or if the two half-coils are not exactly identical, it would be the difference. So maybe one has 500 mH and the other has 501.04 mH and the resulting difference is 1.04 mH. Maybe you could remove a few turns from one of the coils to get the resulting inductance exactly to zero.

But if this is the case, the whole thing gets even more bizzarre... but maybe for getting effects like overunity it has to be bizzarre...   ;D

gotoluc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2010, 01:09:46 AM »
@gotoluc

After seeing your test #6 - Could you set the device up
so that the capacitor bank is going up at it's maximum
rate driven by the signal generator then clip the SG3525
circuit power to the capacitors without driving any FET so
that the SG circuit is using power....does the SG3525 circuit
pull down (swamp) all the voltage being gained or is there
still some gain - i.e. the voltage keep going up?

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi Mark and everyone,

at this time I'm not interested in a closed loop for a few reasons.

One is that an efficient pulse circuit could be made to use micro amps once we know the parameters needed. So trying to use the SG3525 or better, a CMOS version of the 555 still uses more current then a surface mount efficient pulse circuit.

The other reason is I still don't quite understand how this circuit works.

More testing is needed.

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2010, 01:22:57 AM »
Thanks for posting the diagram. This helps a lot.   :)

One question: you write that the inductance is 1.04 mH. Is this correct ?  Or did you mean 1.04 H ?

If the direction of winding is exactly as shown in the diagram, the two half-coils would generate opposing magnetic flux, and then the inductance would be theoretically 0.0 mH, or if the two half-coils are not exactly identical, it would be the difference. So maybe one has 500 mH and the other has 501.04 mH and the resulting difference is 1.04 mH. Maybe you could remove a few turns from one of the coils to get the resulting inductance exactly to zero.

But if this is the case, the whole thing gets even more bizzarre... but maybe for getting effects like overunity it has to be bizzarre...   ;D

Hi skywatcher and everyone,

I think there is something special with this toroid but I still need to test it compared to another toroid. If I measure one half, it is exactly 260mh (both wound to be identical) and once they are combined it measures 1,043mH. When magnet is applied it will drop up to 1,000mH.

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2010, 01:31:23 AM »
To whom ever it may interest. I received the below message by YouTube PM from user: energytruth's who I believe is OU user: PaulLowrance

Is this him?...  if so, what's up with him ::)

Luc


Take it to University
A quick easy way to tell a faker is they refuse to take it to University or someplace and all they do is chant to theme, "Please build it. Just build it. Please build it!" So far you've encouraged people to build it, but have made no mention to you taking it to a University or anyplace to have it verified by professionals. If you're a faker to distract from the Steorn replications, you'll be caught one day. Promise You! There are methods you can't even begin to imagine. Getting compensated to lie and distract the public is against the LAW.


skywatcher

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2010, 01:33:08 AM »
Hi skywatcher and everyone,

I think there is something special with this toroid but I still need to test it compared to another toroid. If I measure one half, it is exactly 260mh (both wound to be identical) and once they are combined it measures 1,043mH. When magnet is applied it will drop up to 1,000mH.

Luc

This fits exactly to my explanation. If you combine the two halves, they cancel each other out and you see only a small difference because they are not exactly identical. It would be interesting what happens if you tune the two halves so that the difference is exactly zero. I think something should happen in this case. You may get more efficiency, or you may lose it completely.

It would also be interesting to make another coil (same core, same amount of wire) but with a normal winding.

Magluvin

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2010, 01:34:52 AM »
Some cores are not ferrite, unless you purchased them and they are what they say. Some are conductive iron, like a big thick washer with a coating on them. If you scrape a bit of coating off, you will see shiny iron, or flat charcoal grey ferrite.

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2010, 01:52:22 AM »
Im surprized TK didnt say to take it to a university.  I know a couple others that would say so also.
But this is different. This person is almost threatening. But just keep going and ignore.
As far as Im concerned you are ahead of the orbo. ;]

Mags

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2010, 02:22:35 AM »
Luc
"Take it to a university"

Is most definitely the mantra of Paul.

You should put that person on your ignore list at You tube.

This community recognizes you for the great researcher and humanitarian you are.
Don't let one sour note spoil your symphony.

Chet

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2010, 02:46:14 AM »
@gotoluc

It is very simple. Your bucking mode wound but reverse connected coil is doing a double wammy.

When the first wound coil starts getting energized, it is already starting to impart to the core that already imparts to the the 2nd coil, and when the same discharge that hit the first coil now reaches the second coil that was actual precharged via the core, this then imparts to the core that imparts back to the 1st coil just before it gets hit again. 1st coil gets hit, imparts to second, then on top of that the 2nd gets hit then imparts to the first. So instead of doing the standard pulse one coil and draw off the other, when the charge finally leaves the coil, it had underwent a double hit on the core which forcibly translated to an added exchange to the output.

The best part of that is when you will one day wind a bucking primary over your existing very very nice thin 30 awg actual secondary. You then replace all the connections that went to your secondary to the new primary then feed off the secondary to send it also back to source. This should charge your battery. lol

Also, imagine instead of putting the five layers per coil then out of each, you make first layer first coil, then go to first layer second coil, then 2nd layer of first coil, then directly to second layer of second coil, all the way through the five layers. What would be the result? Why do I say that. Because of your loose winds, I don't think all five layers are required for that size toroid core but all five would be more useful as described successive mutual layers. That would be like a 10 wammy. I wonder if the result would be additive or compounded. Let's ask a banker. lol

I really like what you do @gotoluc , very inspiring, so please keep on digging it up.

So much fun.

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2010, 03:33:46 AM »
Thanks Harry

Luc

Here it is as a jpg and pdf
Let me know if it is ok.
Harry

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2010, 03:48:09 AM »
@gotoluc

It is very simple. Your bucking mode wound but reverse connected coil is doing a double wammy.

When the first wound coil starts getting energized, it is already starting to impart to the core that already imparts to the the 2nd coil, and when the same discharge that hit the first coil now reaches the second coil that was actual precharged via the core, this then imparts to the core that imparts back to the 1st coil just before it gets hit again. 1st coil gets hit, imparts to second, then on top of that the 2nd gets hit then imparts to the first. So instead of doing the standard pulse one coil and draw off the other, when the charge finally leaves the coil, it had underwent a double hit on the core which forcibly translated to an added exchange to the output.

The best part of that is when you will one day wind a bucking primary over your existing very very nice thin 30 awg actual secondary. You then replace all the connections that went to your secondary to the new primary then feed off the secondary to send it also back to source. This should charge your battery. lol

Also, imagine instead of putting the five layers per coil then out of each, you make first layer first coil, then go to first layer second coil, then 2nd layer of first coil, then directly to second layer of second coil, all the way through the five layers. What would be the result? Why do I say that. Because of your loose winds, I don't think all five layers are required for that size toroid core but all five would be more useful as described successive mutual layers. That would be like a 10 wammy. I wonder if the result would be additive or compounded. Let's ask a banker. lol

I really like what you do @gotoluc , very inspiring, so please keep on digging it up.

So much fun.

Hi wattsup,

yes!!! so much fun and so much left to test.

Thanks for your input. I like the flip flop layers. That is on the list to test. Believe it or not I also had the same idea. We can go out to town on this one ;D

See my next post.

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2010, 03:49:50 AM »
Harryv
You will have to recheck the way the coil is wound. It wasnt a typo on the drawing. =]

Where the coil ends meet, both will be coming out of the core from the inside of the core.

Mags

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2010, 04:00:07 AM »
Hi folks, sorry for having same name almost skywatcher, but i have it in the other forum.
hi luc, this reminds me of an invention in an older pdf i think from panacea, heres the pics.
peace love light
Tyson :)

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2010, 04:07:07 AM »
Hi Everyone,

as you may of noticed in my test 5 video I do have a second toroid. It also has 2 separate half windings but both windings continue the same way. I wound that one in purpose to compare it the the fist one (windings opposed)

I wound it with the same wire and also wound 6 layers per side to get a higher Inductance. I was very surprised when I connected my Inductance meter and found each coil to be only 220mH compared to the first one at 260mH. I was even more surprised when I combined the coils and it is only 890mH :-\... compared to 1,043mH from the first one.

I don't understand that one ???... more wire, same core but less inductance!

VERY IMPORTANT NEWS

I just finished testing that second coil (both wires going the same direction) and I can't get it to do what the first coil does (send back energy)
The best I got was at 15vdc at 28ma. I tried everything I know to date and this one does not do it.

I think this would be important for replicator to know.

Luc