The whole thing is supposedly based on a very clever mechanical system of synchronized mechanical raising and lowering of the magnets.

After reading in some other forums in spanish and looking at his pictures I have now more clear how it works "if it works"

It is very very simple so simple that may work, actually he says it does not matter much if the magnes are equals or not they just have to be about the same and even does not mater if the magnets move up more or less due diferences betwen them.

Here is how it goes:

The external circle are a number of magnets all of them facing N in
The Rotor (he calls it rotor arm) are a number of magnet facing N out

The magnes in the outside can move up away from the ones in the rotor, but they are forced to be in the down position with a spring that makes a stronger force than the repulsion of the rotor magnets.

The rotor has a wheel that moves together with the rotor and pushes up one magnet a time, if you look at the picture atached you can see the ramps that wheel pushes while turnig and lifts one magnet at each time.

For what he says the force need to push up this one magnet is smaller than the force created by the repulsing magnets. So it turns and move next magnet up and the one that was lifted before goes down again (becasuse of the spring) and the cicle continues...

Very simple yes...

Well calculations done...? it does not work.

Why:

Let me see if I can explain it correctly.
If all trhe magnest were down the motor will not move OK
If one magnet is moved up then it will move. The force that creates that movement is equal to the repulsion force of that magnet we have moved up.
Then the rotor in that movement have to move up the next magnet, but there is an spring that keep it down and the force of that spring to keep it down is the same or bigger than the repulsion force of that magnet.

So the rotor when it turns have to make the work of lifting one magnet that is compresed down with the same force as the rotor is geting from the other magnets, so no move will hapen as there is looses in earth systems...?

Hope it is clear.

I understand perfectly what you mean, and I understand that it may be dificult to understand, let me make you some questions:

In a ring of lets say 10 magnets and each one is aplyin a force to the rotor of 1N/m when you take out one of them, how much force is aplied then to the rotor?

And in order to keep one magnet in its position how much reaction force you need to aply if it is repeled 1N/m?

Hi Guys,
this motor is really puzzling me !
I think it could work !
The springs are very important !
I think here are 2 systems at work each superimposing !

1. Imagine no magnets at all inside this motor, but springs being there
to push down the stator versus the rotor. ( again no magnets inside rotor and stator)
Now, if we move the rotor Made of a triangular ramp up and down) one stator further,
we lift M5 and M4 goes down.
That means we have to apply the same force for lifting M5 as M4 gives us back
via its spring by pushing the rotor to the next position.

Imagine a triangular lifting and pushing down ramp rotor setup without magnets.

To push up M5 (actually moving it out of the stator rowline)
needs the same energy as the rotor gets from M4 when the spring
of M4 pushes the downramp part of the rotor down. ( M4 aligning again with the stator rowline)


Thus the forces are in equilibrium and only the mechanical losses prevent the rotor to move
on after a few cycles, when you give the rotor a spin. But without mechanical losses
(spring and friction losses) the rotor would move on indefinately....
So you see, this part of the system is there and only has small mechanical losses.

2. Now the second parts with the magnets come into play !
As Jason pointed already out, the whole stator stack acts as a big magnet
creating a very big force versus the rotor magnet, so it is easy to push the magnet
with a factor 15:3 in the case of the Torbay drawing into the clockwise direction.
So this 15:3 force just must be a bit ?bigger than the initial uplift spring force
plus the mechanical losses Q.
Also the rotor gets also back the stored spring energy of the spring of M4,
it will propelled even further more.

So I think there is just a mechanical setup required of the right spring force
constants and the right number of stator versus rotor magnets.

I think this motor is pretty genuine, but I also think the presented prototypes
in the pictures are not able to generate 2000 Watts, maybe 10 to 100 Watts,
but not more when you look at the size of the generator and the lamp connected....

But with a bigger size I guess one could get into the KiloWatts range !

Regards, Stefan.

I again tried to enhance the picture from the last prototype and here are
the results in 800x600 size attached to this message
( You must be logged into the forum to see them)

You can clearly see, that the attached generator at the top looks
like a DC motor working as an DC generator, geared up in speed
from the Torbay motor,
driving a halogen spot light, probably a 10 to 50 Watts halogen
light spot lamp.

If this can be demonstrated then that would be it. Period. End of story. I'm trying to get hold of Torbay, even visit him but still am getting nowhere. The e-mails I sent to two of the Argentinean newspapers covering the invention haven't been answered yet. Probably because of the national hiloday in Argentina. Will try Monday again. I'm also eagerly waiting for Wesley Snyder's demo. If he can show an independently running motor (without holding it in his hands) that'll do it too. Scott Clarke promised to show his motor as well. Not to speak of Mike Brady.