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Magnet motor in Argentina
« on: March 19, 2006, 06:46:30 AM »
Hi Everyone,

Dan LaRochelle found this link to a site in Argentina that appears to have a working magnetic motor. There aren't any videos of it but there are some photos of it. The inventor, Walter Dar?o Torbay, filed for a patent in Argentina in August, 2004 but I haven't been able to track it down just yet. But apparently there is something to this because of all the press coverage this guy has been getting. I?m hoping we can dig up more information on this motor. Just from looking at the pictures it appears to be extremely simple in design although I can't seem to figure out the polarity of whatever is in the rotor disk. But from one of the photographs, you can clearly see that the stator magnets all have their north poles facing towards the rotor. That is all I managed to dig up for now. Here's the link to this website (it's in Spanish by the way).

http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/

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Magnet motor in Argentina
« on: March 19, 2006, 06:46:30 AM »

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2006, 06:48:12 AM »
Here's a picture of the motor from the site:

(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/mg2.jpg)

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2006, 05:19:39 PM »
Here are some more pictures of the motor:

(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/mg1.jpg)

(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/3d6.jpg)(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/3d7.jpg)

(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/p12.jpg)(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/p5.jpg)

(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/p15.jpg)(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/p9.jpg)

(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/2.jpg)(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/12.jpg)

(http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/ima/prototipo_en_corte_1.jpg)

There are a few more pictures on the site but these are some of the more interesting ones. I also found a link to a forum (in spanish again) where an explanation of how it works is posted. Here's the link:
http://www.hispaseti.org/foroWanaH/viewtopic.php?t=3314&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I also ran the post with the most relevent info through BabelFish translator for us non-spanish speaking people. It's pretty rough but gets some of the basic concept across:


"... OPERATION principle (IT WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT SO THAT SOMEBODY NOT VERY INTERIORIZADO IN the FIELD OF SCIENCE IT CAN INCLUDE/UNDERSTAND FACILMENTE.)

Firstly we must remember the reaction that produces between if two faced permanent magnets, acercandolos there are two effects that can be produced:cuando the poles are different are attracted and when the poles are equal reject;Es this I complete efecto(the rejection of equal poles) the used one for the operation of the invention. Added to the this cuts in way magnets to turn aside the lines of magnetica force being able with these ultimos to control direction, speed and acceleration.

If we obtained that two magnets are rejected and one remains inmovil whereas the other can desplazarce this I complete always tendera to desplazarce towards the position with smaller influence by ricochet magnetico.Bien obtaining that a rejected magnet moves to a later position to which it is, this at a first moment it is not rejected and after reaching this position another magnet is replaced mecanicamente forcing it to desplazarce again to another position where another magnet is replaced again forcing it to continue moving and and repeating the reposicionamiento of magnets a continuous movement is obtained. It is possible to clarify that so that the reposicionamiento of magnets is not necessary the external application of energia since we used same energia magnetica stored in own magnets

The acceleration,el direction of rotation and the speed are controlled by means of different variants in the angulos and cuts made in magnets, those that allow to turn aside the lines of magnetica force according to agree.

LLEVER FORM IT To CABO

The invention consists of two types of pieces: main and several secondary ones.

The main pieces are the rotor arm, the elevables arms and the magnets and the secondary pieces are the screws, rulemanes, bases, etc; that they are used for the subjection, disminucionde friction, estetica, etc.

First we are going to establish some variables: the rotor arm (br) has a starting point which we will call Pn, the magnetica force by ricochet generated by the rotor arm sera Z1 call on the other hand in the external ring we will name to each I modulate elevateable like M1, M2, M3, etc and to its respective magneticas forces by ricochet like F1, F2, F3, etc.Es essential to consider that forces Z and F estan directly related to the size of magnets and the composition of such, of which we ended up deducing that Z=F+F+F=3F.

The angulos of cuts (alpha) in magnets of the modulos elevanles podran to be varied according to agrees to control acceleration magnetica friction, and speed. To knowledge that as we increased (alpha) the friction magnetica sera greater, the greater sera initial acceleration and the constant speed sera minor, whereas if alpha diminishes the initial acceleration sera minor and the constant speed increased.

The angulos of cut (beta) and location of these in magnets of the rotor arm permitiran to control direction of rotation.

The variation produced in the angulos of cut in magnets (alpha and beta) allows the deviation of the lines of force so that when increasing the angulos of cut in anyone of these the deviation of the lines of considerably greater sera magnetica force hacercandoce but to the poles whereas when diminishing these angulos the lines of force were turned aside in inverse form

The variable Q represents the opposed forces in which we included friction, friction, gravity, weight, etc.En the starting point (P1) the rotor arm is in rest generating on the other hand Z1 by mecanico system M4 rises reason why its by ricochet magnetica force does not influence the rotor arm; it is possible to clarify that the rest of the Ms estan all losses. As Z1 is rejected with F1, F2, f3 and also part of F15, f16 we managed to obtain a by ricochet magnetico force that we called X and that sera equal to Z1+F+F+F=X clearing the equation On the other hand we have left X=F+F+F+F+F+F=6F Fq=F we concluded in which X>>>F4 (F4 is the F generated by M4) (we clarified that F4<F due to its displacement and which X>>>Q reason why we forced to the rotor arm to desplazarce towards the position 2(P2), by mecanico system low M4 and M5 rises repeating all the previous process,de this way the rotor arm moves (Pn+1) X=6F-F4-Q=4+ infinitely

Observations: all the external forces of friction, friction, weight and others estan contemplated in Q.Los magnets must be permanetes with high temperature of courie so that the possible overheatings do not degrade their condition of magnet.

On the other hand the continuous circular movement and the rejection of poles favor and allow to maintain their magnetica condition conserving including the original poles.

Explanations: all the F originally calculated in Gaussian, ademas single the Ms and the end of the rotor arm is permanent magnets, the rest must be material not magenticos(aluminio, bronze, magnesium, etc). The F internal must be the sufficiently intense ones like so that great magneticos fields they do not include in the good operation of the invention... "


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2006, 05:58:39 PM »
Here's some more tidbits of info. I think I know how this works now after reading this...
DEAR FRIEND
THE USED FORCE SO THAT IT TURNS THE ROTOR ARM IS THE MAGNETISM LOCKED UP IN MAGNETS PERMANENTES.COMO PRODAS TO SEE IN THE VIDEO CONSTANTLY ARE 8 MAGNETS THAT ARE FACED.
ARM ROTOR(THE ONE THAT TURNS) HAS 4 PERMANENT MAGNETS WITH ITS ORIENTED NORTH POLES TOWARDS EXTERNAL ARMS ELEVABLES, ARMS ELEVABLES As well HAVE IN ITS INNER END PERMANENT MAGNETS WITH ITS ORIENTED NORTH POLES TOWARDS The ROTOR ARM, THIS WAY THEY ARE The 8 MAGNETS THAT ARE UNDER The EFFECT BY RICOCHET OF EQUAL POLES ESTA ENERGIA IS MUCH GREATER THAN The NECESSARY One TO ELEVATE ONE OF EXTERNAL ARMS ELEVABLES INDIVIDUALLY. When ELEVATING ONE OF The ARMS WE OBTAINED THAT REJECTION MAGNETICO IS SMALLER IN THAT ZONE REASON WHY ROTOR ARM TENDERA TO TURN TOWARDS WHERE The HIGH ARM RECEIVES MINOR REJECTION,AL TO REACH THIS POSITION IS RELEASED And LOW BY EFFECT OF MEANS WHILE The LATER IMMEDIATE ARM IS ELEVADO.DE THIS WAY WE OBTAIN A CONTINUOUS CIRCULAR DISPLACEMENT RECORDEMOS THAT INVESTIGATIONS CIENTIFICAS HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT The PERMANENT MAGNETS THAT THEY ARE UNDER The REJECTION OF EQUAL POLES THEY ALMOST CONSERVED ITS PROPERTIES MAGNETICAS WITHOUT ALTERATIONS DURING APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 5000 And 50000 YEARS (DEPENDING On the MATERIAL WITH WHICH The PERMANENT MAGNETS ARE MADE)
With respect to BECAUSE The MOVEMENT HE IS NOT UNIFORM (SOME ARMS RISE MAS And OTHERS LESS) ARE Because The CUTS MADE IN The MAGNETS LAMENTABLY ARE NOT PERFECT,YA THAT ARE VERY DIFICIL TO CUT THEM ALL EQUAL Ones (WHATEVER IT FINDS TRIED TO CUT A PERMANENT RARE EARTH MAGNET WITHOUT ALL NECESSARY TOOLS SABRA To THAT I TALK ABOUT) OF EQUAL EAST WAY DEFECT NoncImpidio THAT The DEVICE TURNS EQUAL.
IF OBSEVAN the DEVICE THAT THIS FILMED IN THIS VIDEO NOT THIS CONNECTED To NINGUN DEVICE (DYNAMO, alternator) WITH THE PURPOSE OF TRANSFORMING the MOVEMENT INTO BRIEF ENERGIA ELECTRICA.EN WE WILL RAISE to VIDEOS IN WHICH IF THIS APPLIED WITH THAT AIM, ademas WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN ALL the FAIRS and EXPOCISIONES OF SCIENCE THAT ARE MADE IN ARGENTINA, reason why SOON the PODRAN SEEING Live

ON THE OTHER HAND WE IN NINGUN MOMENT HAVE REQUESTED MONEY DE DONE WE HAVE RECEIVED INFINITY OF VERY IMPORTANT SUPPLIES ECONOMICAS WHICH THERE ARE RECHAZADO.EL UNICO REASON BY WHICH WE ENTERED To THIS FORUM IS WITH The AIM TO PRESENT INFORMATION CIENTIFICA WHICH WE HAVE And TO SHARE IT WITH WHOEVER RECEIVING IT,NO IS OUR INTENTION TO WIN To ESCEPTICOS NOR TO ENTER POLEMICA WITH ANYBODY
THERE ARE DIRIJIDO To YOU WITH RESPECT And ALWAYS WAITED FOR EQUAL TREATMENT.
ATTE WALTER TORBAY
(INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS CIENTIFICAS And TECNOLOGICAS)

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 06:48:14 PM »
Can somebody, who understands spanish language,
please post a short summary in plain english how this thing works ?
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2006, 07:14:34 PM »
Here is another picture, only very small
which seems to show his motor driving a generator
and producing electricity to light a bulb !

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2006, 07:25:30 PM »
They invent a magnetic system to generate energy with cost zero A scientist of Sea of the Silver invented a magnetic system that produces energy without cost, since it does not use fuel some. He would have a cost of 150 dollars and "he would allow that a house is supplied of electricity indefinitely". The invention of Walter Dar?o Torbay, of 29 years and director Scientific researches and Tecnolo'gicas Independientes (ICYTI), of Sea of the Silver, has the advantage in addition of which as "it does not use any fuel, it practically does not have maintenance and almost it does not contaminate", counted the scientist. This scientist, who studied in the Industrial School of Sea of the Silver and he perfected himself in Industrial Chemistry in the Silver, works with four collaborators in a humble factory of the marplatense periphery. The system uses a type of artificial magnet denominated "Neodymium", whose magnetism is of 24,000 Gaussian (Unit of magnetic induction), who could generate a force electrical of 2,500 watts. The generator uses a principle similar to the one of the magnetic trains, although in these the magnetism is generated in electrical form, whereas the one of Torbay uses the force of attraction of the magnet in rest, reason why the cost of energy generation is null. The invention, that it patented in the country in August of 2004 and with international patent "in proceeding", is called "magnetic transgenerador" and works by ricochet "taking advantage of the magnetic property equal poles and the deviation of lines of magnetic force", said the investigator. "a complex mechanical system transforms that locked up magnetic energy into permanent magnets in driving force, electrical or caloric, stable and 100 ecological percents", assured. Torbay explained that the generator "would last 5,000 years, that are the considered lapse during which a magnet in rest conserves its magnetism". In the Commission of Scientific researches (CIC) of the Buenosairean government, Conrado Gonz?lez, member of the directory, said that the invention is consideration of this organism. First prototype constructed in aluminum, that is one of the metals that less are magnetized, was taken in 2004 to the CIC, where the studies began on the invention. A new prototype, made with rudimentary materials but that have been serving to show the operation principle, were constructed for three months by Torbay and remain in their factory-laboratory of Sea of the Silver. The inventor said that he receives much support of the CIC, "but it is not sufficient, for that reason he wanted that he receives the governor to me (Felipe Sol?), to request his economic and political endorsement to him". Torbay assured that "the future economic and commercial of the generator he is very promissory, because after his patentamiento and publication they did not take in Nevertheless arriving the millionaire economic supplies from multinational companies interested in this device" ", our intention is only to consider the supplies which they allow to help us to our country, which they allow to create new sources of work and to impel the economic and scientific growth of our region, transforming to Argentina into the world-wide supplier of ecological energy", said. "to take shape an economic and scientific support, in very short time this technology and its benefits will be al reaches of any Argentinean", assured Torbay. (T?lam)

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2006, 07:26:27 PM »
Can somebody with spanish language as his mother language can contact the inventor and
ask for a video of his machine please ?

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2006, 09:59:09 PM »
It seems it works on repelling forces inside the rotor and the stator.
Inside the stator one repelling magnet can be pulled up a bit via some
kind of mechanical coupling from the rotor and then the rotor has enough
force to rotate on.
The question is, if only one stator magnet is pulled up and then
again pushed down or if ALL stator magnets are going up and down
during rotation one after the other ?

This is not yet clear to me..

Too bad I can not speak spanish language.
Please somebody can translate the most important parts please ?
Thanks.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2006, 10:20:09 PM »
This is really amazing. Remember Scott Clarke was talking about moving magnets of the stator. Also, in Wesley Snyder's motor the axis of the rotor is wobbling. Maybe this is the mechanical way to overcome the sticky spot.

I'm trying to call Walter Torbay with the telephone number given in his website but an operator tells me something is wrong with the number. Does anyone know how to call Argentina from the US? Also, I sent him e-mal messages but he hasn't responded.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2006, 10:58:34 PM »
Can somebody please find a video on the net and post the URL ?
They are speaking in this spanish forum about a video,
but they d?d not post where it can be found.
Also the forum is very slow to browse...
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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2006, 11:00:26 PM »
Hi everyone...Ive been a lurker for some time, but I followed links to here..


Prototype Picture Gallery
http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/GALERIADEFOTOS.htm

Magnet Motor Homepage
http://club.telepolis.com/LICYTA/

(This link may or may not work...Google Page Translation)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fclub.telepolis.com%2FLICYTA%2F&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Looks like the "Rotor Arm" may be a ring magnet with certain degrees cut-away? Would this allow the pivoted
"Elevating Arm" (with the bar magnets) to lift and then lower pushing the rotor faster and faster?

BTW, Hello everyone! I couldnt keep quite about this one...

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2006, 11:52:23 PM »
Here is another clue... this is a shot of the magnet motor in the display case...and I have indicated a "bent" arm or peice of metal that possibly lifts the "elevating arms" as it rotates...


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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 12:00:36 AM »
Please try this phone number and ask him for the video, where it is on the web,
or if he can post it over here:

54 0223 4697312

Please can somebody call, who can speak fluently spanish.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnet motor in Argentina
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2006, 12:17:48 AM »
Stefan, this dosn't seem to be the correct phone number. Someone answered and although he couldn't understand very well English he said that I am calling a different "familia" -- Ovedo is the family name of the person I was calling, if I heard it correctly. By the way, the zero is not part of the number.

 

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